From: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org (ecto-digest) To: ecto-digest@smoe.org Subject: ecto-digest V13 #282 Reply-To: ecto@smoe.org Sender: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk ecto-digest Wednesday, October 17 2007 Volume 13 : Number 282 To unsubscribe: e-mail ecto-digest-request@smoe.org and put the word unsubscribe in the message body. Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: I'm in the 9th wave (could be the final wave) ["Jon Wesley Huff" ] Re: I'm in the 9th wave (could be the final wave) ["Xenu's Sister" ] Re: audiences (a pox on 'em) [Bernie Mojzes ] Re: Tori... Tori... Tori... [Bernie Mojzes ] audiences and other rude people at restaurants... [gordodo@optonline.net] Re: Kate's original "Why Should I Love You" [Andrew McMichael ] Re: audiences and other rude people at restaurants... [Craig Gidney Subject: Re: I'm in the 9th wave (could be the final wave) Whatever you decide Vickie, thanks for all your hard work and the amazing effort you've put in! I'm sure we all appreciate it! On 10/15/07, Xenu's Sister wrote: > of Find Me mailings, that is. If anyone was waiting for > the 9th wave now's your chance. Only immediate PayPal > people will get in on it though. The 9th wave will be > mailed before Happy gets any checks sent. > > I was thinking about wrapping this up. The 9th wave > would be a good one to go out on. Anyone who hasn't > paid by now (that is, in the next day or so before the > 9th wave is mailed out) can just get their CD at CD Baby, > though there's still no word on when it'll show up there. > > I don't know. I'm going to run it by Happy. I still have > a lot of CDs though, over 50. Anything I don't sell I > will send back to Happy. > > Vickie ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2007 03:00:02 -0400 (EDT) From: Mike Matthews Subject: Today's your birthday, friend... i*i*i*i*i*i i*i*i*i*i*i *************** *****HAPPY********* **************BIRTHDAY********* *************************************************** *************************************************************************** ******************* Erik N. Johnson (no Email address) ******************** *************************************************************************** -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- - -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Erik N. Johnson Tue October 16 1962 Handle with Care Kim Klouda Tue October 17 1967 Libra Anthony Amato Sat October 20 1973 Libra Suzanne DeCory Tue October 22 1968 Balancing Libra Dave Steiner Sat October 24 1959 Scorpio Tara MacLean Thu October 25 1973 Scorpio Elin Sjoelie Fri October 25 1974 Scorpio Jessica Koeppel Wed October 29 1969 Scorpio Kat Crowder Sat November 01 1969 Bunnies Katie Dougiamas Sat November 02 1974 Scorpio Anthony Horan Fri November 04 1966 Positive Michael Sullivan Mon November 05 1962 Scorpio Anna Pryde Wed November 05 1975 Scorpio Sun; Sagittarius Moon; Pisces Rising Jens Brage Sun November 08 1964 Scorpio Rising Lynn Garrett Sat November 08 1958 Scorpio Sam Murgie Fri November 08 1957 Scorpio Rachel Kramer Bussel Mon November 10 1975 Scorpio Neb Rodgers Tue November 10 1959 Space Available - Inquire Within Ken Latta Sun November 11 1951 Scorpio Craig Gidney November 11 Scorpio Michael Doyle Wed November 12 1969 Scorpio Jenny Bruce Mon November 14 1966 fire-horse scorpio Dave Cook Mon November 15 1971 Scorpio Jeff Pearce November 16 Orpheus - -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2007 00:26:47 -0700 (PDT) From: "Xenu's Sister" Subject: Re: I'm in the 9th wave (could be the final wave) - --- Jon Wesley Huff wrote: > Whatever you decide Vickie, thanks for all your hard work and the > amazing effort you've put in! I'm sure we all appreciate it! Thanks Jon! It's been a LOT of fun! I'm not done yet, just almost. When it really is wrapped up, I'll figure up stats and post them (like how many went to which states and countries, things like that). I don't know if anyone else would find that kind of thing interesting, but I've been fascinated myself. Of the 233 CDs mailed (so far) they've gone all over the world, and to over half of the states in the US (29 of 50, with Happy having the most fans in, not surprisingly, Pennsylvania and California). Vickie ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2007 03:38:12 -0800 From: Adam Kimmel Subject: audiences (a pox on 'em) I've been catching up on my e-mails after being away for a couple of days, and have been following this thread and the Tori one with interest. There seem to be three types of audiences that make gigs a pain: Those that think they own the artist, Those that are only there because some critic told them they should be, and those in the music biz. Well, I base that on my own experience: individual mileage may vary. I remember seeing Veda Hille for the first time, following a brilliant review from Time Out's Ross Fortune, which packed the small venue with people who actually didn't care, but seemed to be thinking that their mere presence was enough. I remember seeing Alanis Morisette on her Little Jagged Pill tour, and found myself standing near the bar at the back, which thronged with trendy types who stood, their back to the stage, talking and drinking throughout. Poor Juliet Turner actually stopped halfway through a gig to plead with one table at the Borderline to be quiet ("I've been looking forward to this gig for months, and you're ruining it for me!") and while several people went over and told them to shut the fudge up, they continued. Carina Round takes a different tack, actually saying to people talking or wandering out during a gig, "Oh, you must be in the business!". As for the fervent fans, there always seems to be a hardcore coterie who should wear t-shirts that say something like "I appreciate this artist on so many more levels than you do" (I thnk that's an Onion gag). I don't want to get to get back into the Tori debate, as I think I've already bored everyone enough with my own preferences, but I will repeat that I think American Doll Posse is her best (oh, okay, my favourite) since Little Earthquakes. And, as an off-topic corrollary, does anybody else have trouble remembering song titles? I used to be really sharp on them, but in the days that I would listen with the album sleeve in front of me, reading the lyrics or notes as the music played. Now that I do most of my listening while in transit on my music player, I can't put names to the tunes. I once considerd myself a PJ Harvey fan, but reading Karen's excellent review of her concert, I realised that I actually couldn't mentally summon up any of the songs she mentioned, and the same with the Tori thread: When people have been raving about individual songs on anything from BfP onwards, often as not I just draw a mental blank. Maybe it's age... Adam K. ____________________________________________________________ GET FREE 5GB EMAIL - Check out spam free email with many cool features! Visit http://www.inbox.com/email to find out more! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2007 08:56:32 -0400 (EDT) From: Bernie Mojzes Subject: Re: audiences (a pox on 'em) > and drinking throughout. Poor Juliet Turner actually stopped halfway > through a gig to plead with one table at the Borderline to be quiet > ("I've been looking forward to this gig for months, and you're ruining > it for me!") and while several people went over and told them to shut ! > the fudge up, they continued. Carina Round takes a different tack, > actually saying to people talking or wandering out during a gig, "Oh, > you must be in the business!". I'm very fond of Hamill on Trial's approach - stop the show (perhaps in the middle of a song) and publicly humiliate the offending parties until they shut up or (more likely) leave. > And, as an off-topic corrollary, does anybody else have trouble > remembering song titles? I used to be really sharp on them, but in the > days that I would listen with the album sleeve in front of me, reading > the lyrics or notes as the music played. Now that I do most of my > listening while in transit on my music player, I can't put names to the > tunes. I once considerd myself a PJ Harvey fan, but reading Karen's > excellent review of her concert, I realised that I actually couldn't > mentally summon up any of the songs she mentioned, and the same with the > Tori thread: When people have been raving about individual songs on > anything from BfP onwards, often as not I just draw a mental blank. > > Maybe it's age... It could very well be age, at least as part of it. The memory tends to work a bit differently at 14 vs at 40. But a lot of it may have to do with how much time we have to dedicate to (solely) listening to music. And a lot of it has to do with the media. CD booklets are less readable than album sleeves (with the exception of Shriekback's "Oil and Gold," which is pretty much unreadable no matter what the size), and with the translation of CD's into mp3 CD-Rs to be played in the car or loaded into iPods or computers, the associated text becomes less readily available. And then we put iTunes on shuffle. There's songs and albums I've listened to many hundreds of times, but I couldn't tell you the title of the song or the album... brni > > Adam K. > > ____________________________________________________________ > GET FREE 5GB EMAIL - Check out spam free email with many cool features! > Visit http://www.inbox.com/email to find out more! > - -- brni i don't want the world, i just want your half. http://brni.livejournal.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2007 10:17:49 -0400 (EDT) From: Bernie Mojzes Subject: Re: Tori... Tori... Tori... For some reason, all my musical equipment has been making strange noises ever since I first put the needle down on Pink Floyd's "Ummagumma." > > I broke it in two, but now my CD player only makes strange noises :-( > > - -- brni i don't want the world, i just want your half. http://brni.livejournal.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2007 18:16:14 +0000 (GMT) From: gordodo@optonline.net Subject: audiences and other rude people at restaurants... along the my wife and i were at dinner a few nights ago at our favorite japanese place - had reservations for 7:30... we were seated at a table for 2 next to the sushi bar - there is a bamboo "wall" (80% air, 20% staggered bamboo poles) between the sushi bar and a pair of tables for two, on the other side are the rest of the table in the restaurant, including two other tables for two adjoining the tables we were sat at, essentially kinda like sitting almost at the same table as the other people - we've sat here many times with never a problem... well, last night, the man and woman sitting next to us were obnoxious to start talking loudly - before our appetizers arrived i asked the waitress if we could switch tables when the next two people left somewhere...but they couldnt move us because that would "mess up" which waitress was covering which section...whatever...so we shrugged it off by the time our main course arrived, the man and womans discussion was starting to turn into a full fledged argument and the volume was increasing to the point where we really couldnt talk to each other, much less enjoy eating our food...at which point my wife kindly asks the woman if she wouldnt mind lowering the volume a bit because we are having difficulty enjoying our meal...the 4 person table sitting on their other side at this point added their agreement that they would also appreciate if they would quiet down...the woman responded that she wasnt being loud and the man she was with said yes we (he and the woman) are, and we should quiet down...the woman turns to my wife and says "well then you should just move your table", my wife replied "we already asked to" and then the woman got huffy, stood up from the table and grabbed a sake bottle and threw it baseball style at my wife's head...luckily she was a) drunk, b) not a good shot, and c) hit the bamboo so it ricochetted and glanced off my wife's hand and not her head. at this point the woman storms out of the restaurant, the man turns around and pays (basically throws down some cash i find out later) at the bar (behind me) and runs out of the restaurant we are pissed for two reasons besides for the fact that the woman is a first class asshat - the restaurant manager accepts cash but doesnt think to get the guys name and secondly we get a bill for the entirety of our meal (not that I was expecting a free meal, but we are regulars and definately didn't enjoy the meal, partly due to the restaurants incompetence that they knew the two people were unruly and they didnt honor our request to be moved)...of course because the wait staff cannot definitively id the guy (and i didnt think to run out to get the guys license plate while i was trying to calm down my wife, not a damn thing the police can do...the fact that the sake bottle deflected and didnt connect with its intended target, in my mind was inconsequential, and the woman deserved to get arrested) what kind of people react like this to getting shushed? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2007 19:48:29 +0100 From: Andrew McMichael Subject: Re: Kate's original "Why Should I Love You" Vickie, Thanks so much - that's fascinating, and I love it. Kate's voice and the lovely organ-like synths at the start are wonderful..spine tingling stuff. Aside from the fact it's more Kate singing that has never been heard before. I'd listen to her doing the dishes, personally. Prince is my other musical idol, a well documented fact, so that gives this discovery another interesting aspect to me. Thanks everso. Now, can you dig out Prince's version of Oh England My Lionheart? Okay, I have to stop taking these powerful drugs. :-) Andrew. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2007 13:33:01 -0700 From: "Bill Mazur" Subject: RE: audiences and other rude people at restaurants... This is absolutely terrible. I am very sorry to hear that this happened to you and your wife. The restaurant definitely needs to take some of the responsibility here. Your wife was a victim of assault whether the sake bottle hit her or not. The wait staff and management should have absolutely addressed the situation before it got to this point. Personally I would call the manager of the restaurant and explain what happened and how unacceptable their handling of this situation was here. I would let them know that you and your wife are regular guests of their establishment. Do they value their regular clients? If I was in the same situation, I would tell them that, if he/she does not somehow address these concerns, I would not patronize their establishment ever again. I would also let them know that I will from now on suggest to all of my friends and family that they may want to think twice before going there as well. These types of establishments are nothing without providing solid service and seeing to the satisfaction of their clients. They need to provide appropriately for their loyal and established clientele. As clients, we need to show respect and appreciation by treating the staff with kindness and courtesy and tipping appropriately. But they need to remember that they would have nothing without people patronizing them. I have had a number of jobs that are service related and speak from experience here. I am personally a bit feisty about this sort of thing because of lately having to battle on behalf of my wife because of inadequate handicapped provisions at hotels, restaurants and other public places. Believe me, I could tell some stories here... I will get off of my soapbox now. All the best! Bill - -----Original Message----- From: owner-ecto@smoe.org [mailto:owner-ecto@smoe.org] On Behalf Of gordodo@optonline.net Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2007 11:16 AM To: ecto@smoe.org Subject: audiences and other rude people at restaurants... along the my wife and i were at dinner a few nights ago at our favorite japanese place - - had reservations for 7:30... we were seated at a table for 2 next to the sushi bar - there is a bamboo "wall" (80% air, 20% staggered bamboo poles) between the sushi bar and a pair of tables for two, on the other side are the rest of the table in the restaurant, including two other tables for two adjoining the tables we were sat at, essentially kinda like sitting almost at the same table as the other people - we've sat here many times with never a problem... well, last night, the man and woman sitting next to us were obnoxious to start talking loudly - before our appetizers arrived i asked the waitress if we could switch tables when the next two people left somewhere...but they couldnt move us because that would "mess up" which waitress was covering which section...whatever...so we shrugged it off by the time our main course arrived, the man and womans discussion was starting to turn into a full fledged argument and the volume was increasing to the point where we really couldnt talk to each other, much less enjoy eating our food...at which point my wife kindly asks the woman if she wouldnt mind lowering the volume a bit because we are having difficulty enjoying our meal...the 4 person table sitting on their other side at this point added their agreement that they would also appreciate if they would quiet down...the woman responded that she wasnt being loud and the man she was with said yes we (he and the woman) are, and we should quiet down...the woman turns to my wife and says "well then you should just move your table", my wife replied "we already asked to" and then the woman got huffy, stood up from the table and grabbed a sake bottle and threw it baseball style at my wife's head...luckily she was a) drunk, b) not a good shot, and c) hit the bamboo so it ricochetted and glanced off my wife's hand and not her head. at this point the woman storms out of the restaurant, the man turns around and pays (basically throws down some cash i find out later) at the bar (behind me) and runs out of the restaurant we are pissed for two reasons besides for the fact that the woman is a first class asshat - the restaurant manager accepts cash but doesnt think to get the guys name and secondly we get a bill for the entirety of our meal (not that I was expecting a free meal, but we are regulars and definately didn't enjoy the meal, partly due to the restaurants incompetence that they knew the two people were unruly and they didnt honor our request to be moved)...of course because the wait staff cannot definitively id the guy (and i didnt think to run out to get the guys license plate while i was trying to calm down my wife, not a damn thing the police can do...the fact that the sake bottle deflected and didnt connect with its intended target, in my mind was inconsequential, and the woman deserved to get arrested) what kind of people react like this to getting shushed? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2007 12:49:07 -0700 From: Nadyne Mielke Subject: Re: audiences and other rude people at restaurants... On 10/16/07 11:16 AM, "gordodo@optonline.net" wrote: [snip] > what kind of people react like this to getting shushed? Drunk ones, it seems. :( /nm ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2007 16:36:52 -0400 From: "Richard Messum" Subject: Re: "Find Me" Has Found Me Thanks to all who responded to my question. I have a strange feeling that my discovery of Happy is going to be bad news for my credit card ;o) Richard - ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Mazur To: 'Richard Messum' ; ecto@smoe.org Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 6:39 PM Subject: RE: "Find Me" Has Found Me Hi Richard, If you ask Vickie she will tell you to order them all. ;-) Which is actually good advice. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2007 16:16:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Craig Gidney Subject: Re: audiences and other rude people at restaurants... This story reminds me of the time me and Jeff Burka went to a showing of an M. Night Shylaman movie (the one with Samuel L. Jackson) at DC's notorious Union Station. Some woman next to me was making cell phone calls while the film was playing. I left immediately and went to get a manager. The manager pulled her out, and she began screaming at me: "Faggot!" and other insults. Ten minutes later, she came back in and resumed in seat next to me in sullen silence. I was scared that she might hit me the entire rest of the movie. I never went back to Union Station again. Blog: http://ethereal-lad.livejournal.com Music Blog: http://www.last.fm/user/ethereal_lad/ - ----- Original Message ---- From: Nadyne Mielke To: ecto@smoe.org Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2007 3:49:07 PM Subject: Re: audiences and other rude people at restaurants... On 10/16/07 11:16 AM, "gordodo@optonline.net" wrote: [snip] > what kind of people react like this to getting shushed? Drunk ones, it seems. :( /nm _____________________________________________________________________________ _______ Boardwalk for $500? In 2007? Ha! Play Monopoly Here and Now (it's updated for today's economy) at Yahoo! Games. http://get.games.yahoo.com/proddesc?gamekey=monopolyherenow ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2007 20:34:13 -0400 From: "robert bristow-johnson" Subject: Re: audiences and other rude people at restaurants... > ----- Original Message ----- > From: gordodo@optonline.net > To: ecto@smoe.org > Subject: audiences and other rude people at restaurants... > Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2007 18:16:14 +0000 (GMT) > > ... and then the woman got huffy, stood up from the table and > grabbed a sake bottle and threw it baseball style at my wife's head...luckily > she was a) drunk, b) not a good shot, and c) hit the bamboo so it ricochetted > and glanced off my wife's hand and not her head. that, objectively, is assault in any U.S. state, as far as i can tell. if i take a swing at you and do *not* connect, it's assault. (usually called "simple assault".) if i throw an object at you or spit on you, it's assault. if i threaten you physically, any physical threat beyond verbal, it's assault. (none of these required the use of a specific weapon. assault with a deadly weapon is a more serious crime.) also aggravated assault is another more serious crime (that's when someone beats the crap outa someone else, or at least seriously injures them, that shit at basketball games where one fan picks up a chair and whacks another with the chair is aggravated assault). most states also have a differentiation between when two people are fighting and both are roughly equally culpable, both can be charged with assault, but it's less serious than the above where one person is clearly the perp and the other is clearly a victim. > (and i didnt think to run out to > get the guys license plate while i was trying to calm down my wife, not a damn > thing the police can do... if you called the police and reported this, they would have to at least make a report of the crime. and if you *did* have a license plate number, they would have to investigate it. however, the man, when found, does not have to co-operate. he must not lie to the police, but if you report that it was a woman, and the plate traces back to a man and they question him, he does not have a duty to report. if it got serious, they might want to consider charging him or threateningto charge him with harboring or aiding/abetting or similar (and use that as leverage to get him to identify the woman), but they can't make him help them with their job. > the fact that the sake bottle deflected and didn't > connect with its intended target, in my mind was inconsequential, it's mostly inconsequential. swinging and missing is less serious than swinging and connecting, just as attempted murder is less serious than the real McCoy. but it was certainly assault. but you wouldn't say that it's inconsequential if her aim was perfect and your wife went to the hospital. and the cops would have taken it more seriously also, if your wife was seriously injured. > and the woman deserved to get arrested) sure she did. she needed to appear before a judge (which is something i must confess i have done on more than one occasion). - -- r b-j rbj@audioimagination.com "Imagination is more important than knowledge." ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2007 20:53:29 -0400 From: "Jeffrey Burka" Subject: Re: audiences and other rude people at restaurants... On 10/16/07, Craig Gidney wrote: > This story reminds me of the time me and Jeff Burka went to a showing of an M. > Night Shylaman movie (the one with Samuel L. Jackson) at DC's notorious Union > Station. Ah, yes. When we saw _Unbreakable_. I, too, have never been back to that theater since. What amazed me most at the time was not the woman calling you a faggot (after all, it was merely pointing out the relatively obvious!), nor that the woman was on the phone; it was that she was *making* calls, not merely receiving them! Who the hell pays full price for a movie ticket and then dials and chats away during the feature? Ah, yes, the same people who call their friends from concerts, natter away between songs, and hold their phones up toward the stage during songs as if their friends will hear and enjoy the performance! Such was the case the last time I saw Immi (http://jburka.vox.com/library/post/imogen-heap-at-nightclub-930.html), when for most of the show there was a cell phone hovering over my shoulder. grrrrr. jeff ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2007 21:29:11 -0400 From: Mike Connell Subject: Re: audiences and other rude people at restaurants... Craig Gidney wrote: >This story reminds me of the time me and Jeff Burka went to a showing of an M. >Night Shylaman movie (the one with Samuel L. Jackson) at DC's notorious Union >Station. Some woman next to me was making cell phone calls while the film was >playing. I left immediately and went to get a manager. The manager pulled >her out, and she began screaming at me: "Faggot!" and other insults. Ten >minutes later, she came back in and resumed in seat next to me in sullen >silence. I was scared that she might hit me the entire rest of the movie. When I went to see The Passion Of The Christ, I had a plan. Knowing that Mel Gibson had originally intended to film have NO subtitles and only be presented in Latin and Aramaic (the studio nixed the "no subtitles" idea), I decided to watch it just that way and totally ignore the subtitles. I certainly knew the story well enough to not get lost, so I watched it how Gibson intended, almost as if I was there witnessing these events live and in person in languages I did not know. I went to an early matinee, to avoid noisy crowds etc (I haven't seen an evening film in over a decade, only matinees). Little did I know that right behind me and two seats to the right, that the elderly gentleman with the two ladies would take it upon himself to be the film's play-by-play announcer. Not only was he actually reading/mumbling the subtitles aloud, he was embellishing by telling some of the story in his own words. Needless to say I moved, but not too far. I could still hear him. It got to the point where I was in fact getting angry with him, and when he mentioned upon viewing a character hanging himself he goes "Oh, that's Judas". I turned to him and said loudly "Gee, ya think?" and moved to the back of the theatre. Side note - knowing in advance the violent way the "39 lashes" and other similar scenes were to be portrayed (and there were way, way more than 39 lashes in this film), it was the only film I can recall that I didn't buy popcorn and a drink. I just knew I couldn't eat during that. I was not there to be entertained. It didn't stop others though. It seemed odd to me seeing people munch on popcorn during the bloodiest of the whipping scenes. Not to be humourous, but it made me think me of the scene in one Seinfeld episode about how Jerry's parents reacted when told Jerry was making out in the theatre during Schindler's List. Mike ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2007 11:30:35 +1000 From: Sherlyn Koo Subject: Clare Bowditch "The Moon Looked On" Hi all, Just found out that Aussie artist Clare Bowditch released a new album, "The Moon Looked On" last weekend. Haven't got it yet but I'm going to pick it up as soon as I get a chance. I wonder if it has copy protection, like the last one did... There's also a short tour coming up. Check out Clare's MySpace page (http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendID=38931508) for more info... Cheers, sherlyn - -- Sherlyn Koo | sherlyn@pixelopolis.com | Sydney, Australia ------------------------------ End of ecto-digest V13 #282 ***************************