From: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org (ecto-digest) To: ecto-digest@smoe.org Subject: ecto-digest V13 #279 Reply-To: ecto@smoe.org Sender: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk ecto-digest Sunday, October 14 2007 Volume 13 : Number 279 To unsubscribe: e-mail ecto-digest-request@smoe.org and put the word unsubscribe in the message body. Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: My first record(s) [Ed Cole ] Today's your birthday, friends... [Mike Matthews ] Re: Tori... Tori... Tori... [Kjetil Torgrim Homme ] (audiences) Tori... Tori... Tori... ["Karen Hester" ] Re: (audiences) [Timothy Jones-Yelvington ] live webcast: Lelia Broussard/Lindsay Tomasic - Kulak's tonite 10/13] [bi] Re: susan mckeown show! 10/12 [gaseous clay ] Scarlet's Walk and concert crowds ["Michael Quinn" ] Re: Scarlet's Walk and concert crowds [Timothy Jones-Yelvington ] Re: live webcast: Lelia Broussard/Lindsay Tomasic - Kulak's tonite 10/13] ["Xenu's Sister" Subject: Re: My first record(s) First album: Barbra Streisand, People. Second album: Bob Dylan, The Freewheeling Bob Dylan. First concert: Bob Dylan in Miami, Florida March 1966. Don't know what my first CD was but do know that my collection contains 18 Dylan CD's and 0 Barbra Streisand. Not hard to tell which path I went down. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2007 03:00:01 -0400 (EDT) From: Mike Matthews Subject: Today's your birthday, friends... i*i*i*i*i*i i*i*i*i*i*i *************** *****HAPPY********* **************BIRTHDAY********* *************************************************** *************************************************************************** ***************** Wolfgang Drotschmann (no Email address) ***************** ********************** Gracescape (no Email address) ********************** *************************************************************************** -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- - -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Wolfgang Drotschmann Thu October 13 1966 Waage Gracescape Fri October 13 1967 unbalanced Brian Bloom Tue October 14 1969 Libra Erik N. Johnson Tue October 16 1962 Handle with Care Kim Klouda Tue October 17 1967 Libra Anthony Amato Sat October 20 1973 Libra Suzanne DeCory Tue October 22 1968 Balancing Libra Dave Steiner Sat October 24 1959 Scorpio Tara MacLean Thu October 25 1973 Scorpio Elin Sjoelie Fri October 25 1974 Scorpio Jessica Koeppel Wed October 29 1969 Scorpio Kat Crowder Sat November 01 1969 Bunnies Katie Dougiamas Sat November 02 1974 Scorpio Anthony Horan Fri November 04 1966 Positive Michael Sullivan Mon November 05 1962 Scorpio Anna Pryde Wed November 05 1975 Scorpio Sun; Sagittarius Moon; Pisces Rising Jens Brage Sun November 08 1964 Scorpio Rising Lynn Garrett Sat November 08 1958 Scorpio Sam Murgie Fri November 08 1957 Scorpio Rachel Kramer Bussel Mon November 10 1975 Scorpio Neb Rodgers Tue November 10 1959 Space Available - Inquire Within Ken Latta Sun November 11 1951 Scorpio Craig Gidney November 11 Scorpio Michael Doyle Wed November 12 1969 Scorpio - -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2007 16:41:56 +0200 From: Kjetil Torgrim Homme Subject: Re: Tori... Tori... Tori... [Karen Hester]: > > More helpfully, I really recommend breaking [Scarlet's Walk] into > halves, it's too big and you don't get to know any of the songs if > you listen to it whole. But there's nothing wrong with not liking > it, plenty of other music in the world. I broke it in two, but now my CD player only makes strange noises :-( - -- Kjetil T. np. Mari Boine, Idjagiedas ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2007 11:33:43 -0400 From: "Karen Hester" Subject: (audiences) Tori... Tori... Tori... More on Tori audiences, because I'm incapable of shutting up. I was trying to imagine a Tori concert with a Cowboy Junkies audience. What wonderful appreciative quiet close listeners you Junkie/llama people are! There was one oddly noisy person at the CJ concert I saw, and everyone sitting on that side of the floor noticed him - imagine that, one annoying person, far enough away that you can't even see them! At Tori and other more 'rock' concerts there's a person behind chatting, person beside txting (with bright white screen - the blackberry screen right next to me is bigger than Tori in the distance), people in front squirming and making out (lip-sucking noises audible - ick to Erin McKeown show making-out couple). I read something in one of this week's mags or newspapers about concert rage (did anyone else see that?) - how we get mad at little inappropriate things that in other contexts aren't annoying. I do have to control my annoyance - if I could ignore more things, I'd have a better time. But at a classical music concert, I'm pissed off if I sit next to a heavy breather. Is that too much?! As a friend of mine says "stop breathing, damn you!" I don't want to listen to a duet between a violin and my neighbor's phlegm. At an early music choral performance I attended, someone dropped their program and it fluttered to the floor and throughout the church we all looked on aghast - they were recording, we weren't supposed to make noise! Then the person reached down to pick up the program and their pew screeched! They had to perform the piece again. At the Metropolitan Opera, one of the multitude of elderly concert goers collapsed and they had to be carried out from the middle of their row. Some medical people came in to help carry and one had a walky-talky which hissed with instructions - and people sshhed! No medical emergency is allowed to disturb Deborah Voigt watchers. (maybe the sshers couldn't see what was happening, let's give them a pass). Things that distract one's attention - movement, brightness, noise. Movement - I don't mind sitting behind dancers, moving in time in their seat, but people who dart back and forth and hug and talk and jiggle and wriggle are very annoying. Of course, in a concert context noise is probably more annoying - even the click of an SLR or loud breathing or my dear friend Helen who would stroke fabric at the movies and it'd be a rough sound and make my skin crawl like nails on a blackboard :) I'd slap her hand. Brightness - we're in a dark theater, the only light should be the stage. The cellphone next to me - that's like shining a torch in my eyes. I went to a Loreena McKennitt concert at Radio City and they kept the lights on above us on the loge - it was brighter where we were sitting than on stage. Couldn't get into the concert at all, the gorgeous lights and atmosphere are lost when the person next to you is brighter. Some of us are easily irritated. I concentrate best in a quiet room with nothing to see or hear. Wish it weren't that way. K. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2007 12:00:49 -0400 From: Laura Clifford Subject: Re: (audiences) Tori... Tori... Tori... At 11:33 AM 10/13/2007 -0400, Karen Hester wrote: >I read something in one of this week's mags or newspapers about >concert rage (did anyone else see that?) - how we get mad at little >inappropriate things that in other contexts aren't annoying. Something I've been meaning to write in re: Ectofest that I found ironically amusing - I was sitting next to Happy's mom during the show and she got 3 calls on her cell phone during the first two performances.... Laura ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2007 13:58:05 -0500 From: CollectedSounds Subject: Re: Jessca Hoop review in the AV Club, Ani DiFranco in the Guardian Here's the story I linked to in my post in January: http://www.spinner.com/2007/01/22/ani-difranco-gives-birth-to-righteous-baby/ Here's the first paragraph: Righteous babe Ani DiFranco gave birth to a 7 pound, 8 oz. girl, Petah Lucia, at her Buffalo home last Saturday. This is the first child for the prolific rocker with engineer Mike Napolitano, a man whom she credits in part to her newfound happiness. (this was posted Jan 22) On 10/11/07, Timothy Jones-Yelvington wrote: > Was the child born??? > > Name?? > > Sex??? > > - -- Amy Collected Sounds www.collectedsounds.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2007 12:08:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Alberto Subject: Re: (audiences) Thanks Karen, You hit all the various nails on their respective head. I have little patience for people who force themselves on others in public in general, but in a concert setting, they can really unleash my inner-demon. I've mentioned such incidents on Ecto before. Something I've always hoped for, is the performer taking control of the situation more often. Obviously, their wishes would carry the most weight, and the couple of times I've seen it the audience response was appreciative. On Bruce Springsteen's solo, acoustic Ghost of Tom Joad tour, after the opening song, he'd recite "the rules": "These songs were written with a lot of silence and they sound better that way... so if you feel like clapping along, don't. I appreciate that you know the lyrics, but if you want to sing along, don't. Oh, and if you brought a camera with you, please do me a favor and crush it under your heel right now. Thanks." He also asks people to keep it down when doing an acoustic section of a show when on tour with the E Street Band and audiences are generally very respectful and comply. My favorite though was Joe Jackson when he was doing a solo piano segment and the audience chatter was very noticeable and he stopped mid-song and said, "To all the people who are carrying on conversations, if what you have to say is so fucking important, why don't you take it into the lobby?", then he restarted the song, while the crowd roared approval... Karen Hester wrote: More on Tori audiences, because I'm incapable of shutting up. I was trying to imagine a Tori concert with a Cowboy Junkies audience. What wonderful appreciative quiet close listeners you Junkie/llama people are! There was one oddly noisy person at the CJ concert I saw, and everyone sitting on that side of the floor noticed him - imagine that, one annoying person, far enough away that you can't even see them! At Tori and other more 'rock' concerts there's a person behind chatting, person beside txting (with bright white screen - the blackberry screen right next to me is bigger than Tori in the distance), people in front squirming and making out (lip-sucking noises audible - ick to Erin McKeown show making-out couple). I read something in one of this week's mags or newspapers about concert rage (did anyone else see that?) - how we get mad at little inappropriate things that in other contexts aren't annoying. I do have to control my annoyance - if I could ignore more things, I'd have a better time. But at a classical music concert, I'm pissed off if I sit next to a heavy breather. Is that too much?! As a friend of mine says "stop breathing, damn you!" I don't want to listen to a duet between a violin and my neighbor's phlegm. At an early music choral performance I attended, someone dropped their program and it fluttered to the floor and throughout the church we all looked on aghast - they were recording, we weren't supposed to make noise! Then the person reached down to pick up the program and their pew screeched! They had to perform the piece again. At the Metropolitan Opera, one of the multitude of elderly concert goers collapsed and they had to be carried out from the middle of their row. Some medical people came in to help carry and one had a walky-talky which hissed with instructions - and people sshhed! No medical emergency is allowed to disturb Deborah Voigt watchers. (maybe the sshers couldn't see what was happening, let's give them a pass). Things that distract one's attention - movement, brightness, noise. Movement - I don't mind sitting behind dancers, moving in time in their seat, but people who dart back and forth and hug and talk and jiggle and wriggle are very annoying. Of course, in a concert context noise is probably more annoying - even the click of an SLR or loud breathing or my dear friend Helen who would stroke fabric at the movies and it'd be a rough sound and make my skin crawl like nails on a blackboard :) I'd slap her hand. Brightness - we're in a dark theater, the only light should be the stage. The cellphone next to me - that's like shining a torch in my eyes. I went to a Loreena McKennitt concert at Radio City and they kept the lights on above us on the loge - it was brighter where we were sitting than on stage. Couldn't get into the concert at all, the gorgeous lights and atmosphere are lost when the person next to you is brighter. Some of us are easily irritated. I concentrate best in a quiet room with nothing to see or hear. Wish it weren't that way. K. "I don't know anything about music. In my line, you don't have to." ~Elvis Presley - --------------------------------- Be a better Heartthrob. Get better relationship answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2007 15:56:42 -0500 From: Timothy Jones-Yelvington Subject: Re: (audiences) On a much (much much much) geekier note, I was at a Trek convention once where Marina Sirtis marched off the stage to go yell at the vendors to keep it down. On 10/13/07 2:08 PM, "Alberto" wrote: > Thanks Karen, > > You hit all the various nails on their respective head. I have little > patience for people who force themselves on others in public in general, but > in a concert setting, they can really unleash my inner-demon. I've mentioned > such incidents on Ecto before. > > Something I've always hoped for, is the performer taking control of the > situation more often. Obviously, their wishes would carry the most weight, and > the couple of times I've seen it the audience response was appreciative. > > On Bruce Springsteen's solo, acoustic Ghost of Tom Joad tour, after the > opening song, he'd recite "the rules": "These songs were written with a lot of > silence and they sound better that way... so if you feel like clapping along, > don't. I appreciate that you know the lyrics, but if you want to sing along, > don't. Oh, and if you brought a camera with you, please do me a favor and > crush it under your heel right now. Thanks." He also asks people to keep it > down when doing an acoustic section of a show when on tour with the E Street > Band and audiences are generally very respectful and comply. > > My favorite though was Joe Jackson when he was doing a solo piano segment > and the audience chatter was very noticeable and he stopped mid-song and said, > "To all the people who are carrying on conversations, if what you have to say > is so fucking important, why don't you take it into the lobby?", then he > restarted the song, while the crowd roared approval... > > > Karen Hester wrote: More on Tori audiences, because > I'm incapable of shutting up. > > I was trying to imagine a Tori concert with a Cowboy Junkies audience. > What wonderful appreciative quiet close listeners you Junkie/llama > people are! There was one oddly noisy person at the CJ concert I saw, > and everyone sitting on that side of the floor noticed him - imagine > that, one annoying person, far enough away that you can't even see > them! > > At Tori and other more 'rock' concerts there's a person behind > chatting, person beside txting (with bright white screen - the > blackberry screen right next to me is bigger than Tori in the > distance), people in front squirming and making out (lip-sucking > noises audible - ick to Erin McKeown show making-out couple). > > I read something in one of this week's mags or newspapers about > concert rage (did anyone else see that?) - how we get mad at little > inappropriate things that in other contexts aren't annoying. I do > have to control my annoyance - if I could ignore more things, I'd have > a better time. But at a classical music concert, I'm pissed off if I > sit next to a heavy breather. Is that too much?! As a friend of mine > says "stop breathing, damn you!" I don't want to listen to a duet > between a violin and my neighbor's phlegm. > > At an early music choral performance I attended, someone dropped their > program and it fluttered to the floor and throughout the church we all > looked on aghast - they were recording, we weren't supposed to make > noise! Then the person reached down to pick up the program and their > pew screeched! They had to perform the piece again. > > At the Metropolitan Opera, one of the multitude of elderly concert > goers collapsed and they had to be carried out from the middle of > their row. Some medical people came in to help carry and one had a > walky-talky which hissed with instructions - and people sshhed! No > medical emergency is allowed to disturb Deborah Voigt watchers. > (maybe the sshers couldn't see what was happening, let's give them a > pass). > > Things that distract one's attention - movement, brightness, noise. > Movement - I don't mind sitting behind dancers, moving in time in > their seat, but people who dart back and forth and hug and talk and > jiggle and wriggle are very annoying. > > Of course, in a concert context noise is probably more annoying - even > the click of an SLR or loud breathing or my dear friend Helen who > would stroke fabric at the movies and it'd be a rough sound and make > my skin crawl like nails on a blackboard :) I'd slap her hand. > > Brightness - we're in a dark theater, the only light should be the > stage. The cellphone next to me - that's like shining a torch in my > eyes. I went to a Loreena McKennitt concert at Radio City and they > kept the lights on above us on the loge - it was brighter where we > were sitting than on stage. Couldn't get into the concert at all, the > gorgeous lights and atmosphere are lost when the person next to you is > brighter. > > Some of us are easily irritated. I concentrate best in a quiet room > with nothing to see or hear. Wish it weren't that way. > > K. > > > > "I don't know anything about music. > In my line, you don't have to." > ~Elvis Presley > > --------------------------------- > Be a better Heartthrob. Get better relationship answers from someone who > knows. > Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2007 14:13:09 -0700 From: birdie Subject: live webcast: Lelia Broussard/Lindsay Tomasic - Kulak's tonite 10/13] Lindsay Tomasic/Lelia Broussard TONIGHT! October, 13 2007 Kulaks Woodshed 5230-1/2 Laurel Canyon Blvd., North Hollywood, California 91601 Cost : donation Lindsay opens the night with Nicole Falzone on percussion and Larry Tuttle on upright bass. Following will be a one hour set by rising star, Lelia Broussard. Be there, or be sad :( Live webcast! Tune in!! www.kulakswoodshed.com www.myspace.com/leliabroussard www.myspace.com/lindsaytomasic ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2007 17:31:16 -0400 From: gaseous clay Subject: Re: susan mckeown show! 10/12 if anyone was wondering, the evening was, as advertised, primarily a cunningham, crigler and hill (+ kinney) event which was very enjoyable. but i have to say it was very cool to see susan performing with old bandmates michelle and chris (and new bandmates tim and jason). she sang two songs: "black is the colo(u)r" and a new one, "the things in my heart". that last one has been played before, at the february show at joe's pub with dorothy scott and tim hill. it's a-very nice! chatted a bit with susan who said that she was hoping to play out more soon and michelle, who thought the idea of a chanting house reunion was nifty. woj > ----- Forwarded message from Susan McKeown ----- > > Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2007 07:35:20 -0700 (PDT) > From: Susan McKeown > Subject: [susanmckeown-announce] Susan McK guests on CCH show 10/12 NYC > > Dear Friends, > > I will be doing a couple of new songs with my old pals > Chris Cunningham, Michelle Kinney and Lindsey Horner > tomorrow night Friday, October 12 at Banjo Jim's at 9th St > and Ave C (212-777-0869). ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2007 17:39:26 -0400 From: "Michael Quinn" Subject: Scarlet's Walk and concert crowds I love Scarlet's Walk because not only does it contain great individual songs but it flows along so nicely. Lots of people can swing passionate and angry songs and Tori is certainly great at that on her early albums but what I find pretty unique and like best about Tori is her ability to tell genuine intimate stories with her music. Scarlet's Walk is so full of those subtly powerful story ballads. It reminds me of Boys For Pele in this way and I have a similar love for both of those albums. The very aptly named "Scarlet's Hidden Treasures" EP is beautiful as well. As far as the issue of concert crowds, I certainly hate people who talk during concerts or hoot and holler at inappropriate times but it's funny; when I used to go to shows in Toronto some singers used to specifically complain about the audience being "too quiet". I think it's nice for performers to be able to see the crowd is enjoying themselves and I think they feed off the energy of the crowd to some extent so I don't see anything wrong with dancing around and maybe singing along a bit and having a good time. It seems to me that sitting politely and listening in total silence is a bit too much like just listening to a CD. - -----Original Message----- From: owner-ecto@smoe.org [mailto:owner-ecto@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Timothy Jones-Yelvington Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2007 4:57 PM To: Alberto; Untitled Subject: Re: (audiences) On 10/13/07 2:08 PM, "Alberto" wrote: > Thanks Karen, > > You hit all the various nails on their respective head. I have little > patience for people who force themselves on others in public in general, but > in a concert setting, they can really unleash my inner-demon. I've mentioned > such incidents on Ecto before. > > Something I've always hoped for, is the performer taking control of the > situation more often. Obviously, their wishes would carry the most weight, and > the couple of times I've seen it the audience response was appreciative. > > On Bruce Springsteen's solo, acoustic Ghost of Tom Joad tour, after the > opening song, he'd recite "the rules": "These songs were written with a lot of > silence and they sound better that way... so if you feel like clapping along, > don't. I appreciate that you know the lyrics, but if you want to sing along, > don't. Oh, and if you brought a camera with you, please do me a favor and > crush it under your heel right now. Thanks." He also asks people to keep it > down when doing an acoustic section of a show when on tour with the E Street > Band and audiences are generally very respectful and comply. > > My favorite though was Joe Jackson when he was doing a solo piano segment > and the audience chatter was very noticeable and he stopped mid-song and said, > "To all the people who are carrying on conversations, if what you have to say > is so fucking important, why don't you take it into the lobby?", then he > restarted the song, while the crowd roared approval... > > > Karen Hester wrote: More on Tori audiences, because > I'm incapable of shutting up. > > I was trying to imagine a Tori concert with a Cowboy Junkies audience. > What wonderful appreciative quiet close listeners you Junkie/llama > people are! There was one oddly noisy person at the CJ concert I saw, > and everyone sitting on that side of the floor noticed him - imagine > that, one annoying person, far enough away that you can't even see > them! > > At Tori and other more 'rock' concerts there's a person behind > chatting, person beside txting (with bright white screen - the > blackberry screen right next to me is bigger than Tori in the > distance), people in front squirming and making out (lip-sucking > noises audible - ick to Erin McKeown show making-out couple). > > I read something in one of this week's mags or newspapers about > concert rage (did anyone else see that?) - how we get mad at little > inappropriate things that in other contexts aren't annoying. I do > have to control my annoyance - if I could ignore more things, I'd have > a better time. But at a classical music concert, I'm pissed off if I > sit next to a heavy breather. Is that too much?! As a friend of mine > says "stop breathing, damn you!" I don't want to listen to a duet > between a violin and my neighbor's phlegm. > > At an early music choral performance I attended, someone dropped their > program and it fluttered to the floor and throughout the church we all > looked on aghast - they were recording, we weren't supposed to make > noise! Then the person reached down to pick up the program and their > pew screeched! They had to perform the piece again. > > At the Metropolitan Opera, one of the multitude of elderly concert > goers collapsed and they had to be carried out from the middle of > their row. Some medical people came in to help carry and one had a > walky-talky which hissed with instructions - and people sshhed! No > medical emergency is allowed to disturb Deborah Voigt watchers. > (maybe the sshers couldn't see what was happening, let's give them a > pass). > > Things that distract one's attention - movement, brightness, noise. > Movement - I don't mind sitting behind dancers, moving in time in > their seat, but people who dart back and forth and hug and talk and > jiggle and wriggle are very annoying. > > Of course, in a concert context noise is probably more annoying - even > the click of an SLR or loud breathing or my dear friend Helen who > would stroke fabric at the movies and it'd be a rough sound and make > my skin crawl like nails on a blackboard :) I'd slap her hand. > > Brightness - we're in a dark theater, the only light should be the > stage. The cellphone next to me - that's like shining a torch in my > eyes. I went to a Loreena McKennitt concert at Radio City and they > kept the lights on above us on the loge - it was brighter where we > were sitting than on stage. Couldn't get into the concert at all, the > gorgeous lights and atmosphere are lost when the person next to you is > brighter. > > Some of us are easily irritated. I concentrate best in a quiet room > with nothing to see or hear. Wish it weren't that way. > > K. > > > > "I don't know anything about music. > In my line, you don't have to." > ~Elvis Presley > > --------------------------------- > Be a better Heartthrob. Get better relationship answers from someone who > knows. > Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2007 17:12:00 -0500 From: Timothy Jones-Yelvington Subject: Re: Scarlet's Walk and concert crowds I think it's a production issue for me. I'm down with mellow ("Aerial" might actually be my favorite Kate), but I can't stomach those organs or light electronics or whatever it is Tori uses on SW that's definitely not the piano, that sort of flattens the whole thing out and gives it no dynamic range, to my ears. I'll put it on, and I'm like... Okay. This time I'm going to pay attention. And then before I know it, half the record has passed, I've heard almost none of it, and the pace of the thing is actually starting to grate on me. I keep going back and keep trying. I'm certain there must just be something wrong with me and me alone, since most everyone else I know loves it... And I find something to like about absolutely every other Tori album, even Strange Little Girls and Beekeeper. On 10/13/07 4:39 PM, "Michael Quinn" wrote: > I love Scarlet's Walk because not only does it contain great individual > songs but it flows along so nicely. Lots of people can swing passionate and > angry songs and Tori is certainly great at that on her early albums but what > I find pretty unique and like best about Tori is her ability to tell genuine > intimate stories with her music. Scarlet's Walk is so full of those subtly > powerful story ballads. It reminds me of Boys For Pele in this way and I > have a similar love for both of those albums. The very aptly named > "Scarlet's Hidden Treasures" EP is beautiful as well. > > As far as the issue of concert crowds, I certainly hate people who talk > during concerts or hoot and holler at inappropriate times but it's funny; > when I used to go to shows in Toronto some singers used to specifically > complain about the audience being "too quiet". I think it's nice for > performers to be able to see the crowd is enjoying themselves and I think > they feed off the energy of the crowd to some extent so I don't see anything > wrong with dancing around and maybe singing along a bit and having a good > time. > > It seems to me that sitting politely and listening in total silence is a bit > too much like just listening to a CD. > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-ecto@smoe.org [mailto:owner-ecto@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Timothy > Jones-Yelvington > Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2007 4:57 PM > To: Alberto; Untitled > Subject: Re: (audiences) > > > On 10/13/07 2:08 PM, "Alberto" wrote: > >> Thanks Karen, >> >> You hit all the various nails on their respective head. I have little >> patience for people who force themselves on others in public in general, > but >> in a concert setting, they can really unleash my inner-demon. I've > mentioned >> such incidents on Ecto before. >> >> Something I've always hoped for, is the performer taking control of > the >> situation more often. Obviously, their wishes would carry the most weight, > and >> the couple of times I've seen it the audience response was appreciative. >> >> On Bruce Springsteen's solo, acoustic Ghost of Tom Joad tour, after > the >> opening song, he'd recite "the rules": "These songs were written with a > lot of >> silence and they sound better that way... so if you feel like clapping > along, >> don't. I appreciate that you know the lyrics, but if you want to sing > along, >> don't. Oh, and if you brought a camera with you, please do me a favor and >> crush it under your heel right now. Thanks." He also asks people to keep > it >> down when doing an acoustic section of a show when on tour with the E > Street >> Band and audiences are generally very respectful and comply. >> >> My favorite though was Joe Jackson when he was doing a solo piano > segment >> and the audience chatter was very noticeable and he stopped mid-song and > said, >> "To all the people who are carrying on conversations, if what you have to > say >> is so fucking important, why don't you take it into the lobby?", then he >> restarted the song, while the crowd roared approval... >> >> >> Karen Hester wrote: More on Tori audiences, > because >> I'm incapable of shutting up. >> >> I was trying to imagine a Tori concert with a Cowboy Junkies audience. >> What wonderful appreciative quiet close listeners you Junkie/llama >> people are! There was one oddly noisy person at the CJ concert I saw, >> and everyone sitting on that side of the floor noticed him - imagine >> that, one annoying person, far enough away that you can't even see >> them! >> >> At Tori and other more 'rock' concerts there's a person behind >> chatting, person beside txting (with bright white screen - the >> blackberry screen right next to me is bigger than Tori in the >> distance), people in front squirming and making out (lip-sucking >> noises audible - ick to Erin McKeown show making-out couple). >> >> I read something in one of this week's mags or newspapers about >> concert rage (did anyone else see that?) - how we get mad at little >> inappropriate things that in other contexts aren't annoying. I do >> have to control my annoyance - if I could ignore more things, I'd have >> a better time. But at a classical music concert, I'm pissed off if I >> sit next to a heavy breather. Is that too much?! As a friend of mine >> says "stop breathing, damn you!" I don't want to listen to a duet >> between a violin and my neighbor's phlegm. >> >> At an early music choral performance I attended, someone dropped their >> program and it fluttered to the floor and throughout the church we all >> looked on aghast - they were recording, we weren't supposed to make >> noise! Then the person reached down to pick up the program and their >> pew screeched! They had to perform the piece again. >> >> At the Metropolitan Opera, one of the multitude of elderly concert >> goers collapsed and they had to be carried out from the middle of >> their row. Some medical people came in to help carry and one had a >> walky-talky which hissed with instructions - and people sshhed! No >> medical emergency is allowed to disturb Deborah Voigt watchers. >> (maybe the sshers couldn't see what was happening, let's give them a >> pass). >> >> Things that distract one's attention - movement, brightness, noise. >> Movement - I don't mind sitting behind dancers, moving in time in >> their seat, but people who dart back and forth and hug and talk and >> jiggle and wriggle are very annoying. >> >> Of course, in a concert context noise is probably more annoying - even >> the click of an SLR or loud breathing or my dear friend Helen who >> would stroke fabric at the movies and it'd be a rough sound and make >> my skin crawl like nails on a blackboard :) I'd slap her hand. >> >> Brightness - we're in a dark theater, the only light should be the >> stage. The cellphone next to me - that's like shining a torch in my >> eyes. I went to a Loreena McKennitt concert at Radio City and they >> kept the lights on above us on the loge - it was brighter where we >> were sitting than on stage. Couldn't get into the concert at all, the >> gorgeous lights and atmosphere are lost when the person next to you is >> brighter. >> >> Some of us are easily irritated. I concentrate best in a quiet room >> with nothing to see or hear. Wish it weren't that way. >> >> K. >> >> >> >> "I don't know anything about music. >> In my line, you don't have to." >> ~Elvis Presley >> >> --------------------------------- >> Be a better Heartthrob. Get better relationship answers from someone who >> knows. >> Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2007 19:34:58 -0400 From: gaseous clay Subject: Re: Tori on Craig Ferguson tonight one time at band camp, Xenu's Sister said: > Mitch called > me last week to say that Tori was on Leno that night, and I thought, > 'I should post to ecto', but 5 minutes after I hung up the phone, I > forgot all about it, and didn't remember until a few days later. i spaced and forgot to record it, though i meant to (i also assumed that tivo would grab it automatically but the tonight show overlaps with the colbert report -- oops!) the appearance turned out to be a pretty good performance of "bouncing off clouds". check it out on gootube . i guess as one of the resident uber-tori-fans, i should have something to say about the recent discussion, but i've nothing much to add that hasn't already been said. despite continuing to be highly involved with tori fandom on the net, my interest has lagged over the years, though not the same extent that most everyone else's seems to have. jason and i will be seeing the show in connecticut on tuesday and meredith and i have tickets to the show on friday in boston. skipped the two concerts in new york the past two nights though. so, i guess we'll let y'all know if you should bother or not (most of the reviews from the tour so far indicate that these are the best shows she's done in years; i actually liked the beekeeper tour though, so my mileage may vary ;) ). woj ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2007 22:00:16 -0700 (PDT) From: "Xenu's Sister" Subject: Re: live webcast: Lelia Broussard/Lindsay Tomasic - Kulak's tonite 10/13] I tried but it wouldn't work for me. My Windows Media Player opened but then I got an error message. "Windows Media Player cannot play the file because the specified protocol is not supported. If you typed a URL in the Open URL dialog box, try using a different transport protocol (for example, "http:" or "rtsp:")." Dunno what happened. Vickie ------------------------------ End of ecto-digest V13 #279 ***************************