From: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org (ecto-digest) To: ecto-digest@smoe.org Subject: ecto-digest V13 #278 Reply-To: ecto@smoe.org Sender: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk ecto-digest Saturday, October 13 2007 Volume 13 : Number 278 To unsubscribe: e-mail ecto-digest-request@smoe.org and put the word unsubscribe in the message body. Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: TJ-Y Firsts... [Alberto ] Re: Emmy Rossum ["Karen Hester" ] Re: Tori... Tori... Tori... ["Karen Hester" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2007 20:21:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Alberto Subject: Re: TJ-Y Firsts... ahem... OK, Tim... bro... Your Tom Waits/Leonard Cohen/Bob Dylan-dissing privileges have been officially revoked. Timothy Jones-Yelvington wrote: First album I bought myself, at 8 years old (this totally reverse-dates me, as well as being embarrassing) - Amy Grant, "Heart in Motion" "I don't know anything about music. In my line, you don't have to." ~Elvis Presley - --------------------------------- Need a vacation? Get great deals to amazing places on Yahoo! Travel. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2007 00:26:57 -0400 From: "Karen Hester" Subject: Re: Emmy Rossum I don't know anything about her new album, but adored her movie debut in 'Songcatcher', an ok movie with great music about a musicologist (played by Janet McTeer) who goes into the Appalachians and Iris Dement and some old-timers sing and there's love and tragedy etc. Emmy played someone called 'Deladis Slocumb', heh. Her voice was pure and adorable and very Appalachian - I thought she was the genuine article, someone discovered in the hollars. Was a shocker when I heard she was in 'Phantom' - eck. K. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2007 01:08:52 -0400 From: "Karen Hester" Subject: Re: Tori... Tori... Tori... I so should go to bed but since I went to a Tori concert this evening (and yesterday), I feel compelled to write... [my concert reviews are on Precious-things] It's great how there are Tori-fans and once-Tori-fans who can love and hate different records so strongly. I'm one of the ick-Beekeeper, blah-StrangeLittle-Girls, ho-hum-Venus types, but there are so many variations. The LE lovers who were shocked by BfP and gave up on her completely; the BfPers who were bored by Choirgirl and wanted intense, bloody emotion; those for whom Scarlet was a fascinating country to get lost in, and those for whom Scarlet is a huge amount of interchangeable stuff. I have to be careful with my dismissal of Beekeeper, I definitely could listen to it more but will wait until I've worn out Girl Posse. Sometimes initial emotions can block my way into an album. When I call it bland, that isn't good enough - there can be great gentle and unchallenging music. The reason I don't like it much is because I don't like it - my reasons are my attempt to understand musical reactions that I don't have a language for. I'm only just now 'getting' some Under the pink songs. I had such a hard time with that album - the lyrics weren't straight-forward story-telling, the melodies didn't go exactly where I thought they would. For a while it sounded like a failed LE to me, eg where Tori goes high in 'Pretty good year' ('well what's it gonna take till my baby's alright') seemed random to my LE ears, like she thought "I'm great at that soaring vocals thing, lets throw some in here and disrupt the song." Now I hear 'Under the pink' for itself, and it's amazing. > From: "Sue Trowbridge" > I definitely got turned off on going to Tori concerts by Tori fans. I I was expecting a dreadful audience (my first Tori concerts since LE!), but the screams and bright cellphones and camera flashes were no worse than other rock concerts I've been to lately. > From: DanStark <2005.carnivore99@verizon.net> > A lot of the perceived "problem" probably has to do with the fact > that the novelty factor has long since worn off. We all know what > Tori sounds like now, so there's no element of surprise like there > was in the early days. That's so true. There are two factors for me - something that genuinely sounds new (that voice, those lyrics, a piano! a first album doesn't have to try so hard) and secondly the thrill of the new (the music media loves the next big thing, and us searching out obscure new artists - i remember (may be mis-remembering) glenn mcdonald saying ecto/someone on ecto would be praising Madonna's 'Ray of light' album to the hills if it were by an obscure newcomer). > From: "Ella McCrystle" > It's pointless. I don't want to pay > exorbitant amounts of money to be climbed over and sung to by > 14-yr-olds who are talking on their cell phones and shrieking like > it's a Beatles concert. GRR! It's especially annoying when she doesn't > have the band w/ her. I didn't see many 14-yr-olds - plenty of rude cellphone types and shriekers, but they weren't all teens. At the Meet&Greet, people in their teens and 20s walked past, asked who she was and said 'who?' I look forward to your taping and wish upon you quiet seat neighbors or a loud enough band to block them out :) Tonight I sat in front of some people who were discussing the rude people they sat near the previous night (talkers, txters, singers) and then when tonight's concert started, these complainers turned out to be talkers and singers themselves! > From: Timothy Jones-Yelvington > I really, really, really don't get the SW love and never have. Beekeeper is > uneven, but my favorites on it (Original Sinsuality, especially) are still > 100 percent more interesting than anything on SW, which to me crawls along > at the exact. Same. Pace. For an hour, without a single standout moment. If I had not met you, I would politely say "each to their own; you're welcome to your opinion." Since I have met you, I shall say "you idiot! how can you say that! SW is loud and soft and angry and sexy and haunted and wistful and bouncy and you're completely wrong and stupid." :) More helpfully, I really recommend breaking that album into halves, it's too big and you don't get to know any of the songs if you listen to it whole. But there's nothing wrong with not liking it, plenty of other music in the world. And now I shall go to bed. And dream of sugared doughnuts, a spring haze, dragons, sparkling, hotels, astronomical dogs, bountiful sluts, a can do posse, all fresh in my head. K. ------------------------------ End of ecto-digest V13 #278 ***************************