From: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org (ecto-digest) To: ecto-digest@smoe.org Subject: ecto-digest V13 #274 Reply-To: ecto@smoe.org Sender: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk ecto-digest Wednesday, October 10 2007 Volume 13 : Number 274 To unsubscribe: e-mail ecto-digest-request@smoe.org and put the word unsubscribe in the message body. Today's Subjects: ----------------- Today's your birthday, friend... [Mike Matthews ] Re: Confessions of childish musical loves (was best worst song) [Joseph Z] worst songs [anna maria "stjärnell" ] Re: Find Me song (Re: Review of Find Me? ["Ella McCrystle" ] Re: best worst song [breinheimer@webtv.net (bill)] Re: best worst song [breinheimer@webtv.net (bill)] My first record(s) [Greg Blair ] Re: My first record(s) ["Urs Stafford" ] Re: My first record(s) ["Richard Messum" ] Re: My first record(s) [Greg Dunn ] Re: My first record(s) [Doug ] My First Record ["Varker, Patrick" ] Re: My first record(s) [Bernie Mojzes ] Re: My first record(s) ["robert bristow-johnson" ] Suzanne Vega coming to Australia [Sherlyn Koo ] Re: Find Me song (Re: Review of Find Me? ["Paul Blair" ] Re: My first record(s) ["Paul Blair" ] Re: My first record(s) [Mike Connell ] Re: My first record(s) [morayati@email.unc.edu] Brazz Tree in Mass, KY, MO, IL, Chicago, NYC ["Paul Blair" Subject: Today's your birthday, friend... i*i*i*i*i*i i*i*i*i*i*i *************** *****HAPPY********* **************BIRTHDAY********* *************************************************** *************************************************************************** ********************* Irvin Lin (iflin@speakeasy.net) ********************* *************************************************************************** -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- - -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Irvin Lin Tue October 09 1973 Libra Michael C. Berch Wed October 10 1956 No parking Chris Gagnon Sat October 10 1970 Libra Wolfgang Drotschmann Thu October 13 1966 Waage Gracescape Fri October 13 1967 unbalanced Brian Bloom Tue October 14 1969 Libra Erik N. Johnson Tue October 16 1962 Handle with Care Kim Klouda Tue October 17 1967 Libra Anthony Amato Sat October 20 1973 Libra Suzanne DeCory Tue October 22 1968 Balancing Libra Dave Steiner Sat October 24 1959 Scorpio Tara MacLean Thu October 25 1973 Scorpio Elin Sjoelie Fri October 25 1974 Scorpio Jessica Koeppel Wed October 29 1969 Scorpio Kat Crowder Sat November 01 1969 Bunnies Katie Dougiamas Sat November 02 1974 Scorpio Anthony Horan Fri November 04 1966 Positive Michael Sullivan Mon November 05 1962 Scorpio Anna Pryde Wed November 05 1975 Scorpio Sun; Sagittarius Moon; Pisces Rising Jens Brage Sun November 08 1964 Scorpio Rising Lynn Garrett Sat November 08 1958 Scorpio Sam Murgie Fri November 08 1957 Scorpio - -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 Oct 2007 03:18:05 -0700 From: Joseph Zitt Subject: Re: Confessions of childish musical loves (was best worst song) Ella McCrystle wrote: > I feel oddly compelled to scream to the ecto world that I did, I really > truly did, go to my very first ever "concert" (complete w/ large arena > and perhaps a light-show and lots of "stuff" and a tour book etc) in > early 1977 to see > > Shaun Cassidy. Shaun Cassidy did one seriously cool album not long after, 1980's "Wasp", produced by Todd Rundgren, where he covered Bowie, Talking Heads, and others. (And after looking at his Wikipedia entry, I'm taken aback to see that he's exactly one week younger than me -- for some reason I thought he was much younger, though, come to think of it, that wouldn't make sense... never mind...) My first non-classical concert was Barry Manilow in Philadelphia in 1976. But my next was either Elvis Costello at Rutgers on his first US tour or David Bowie in NYC on the "Stage" tour. (And wow, googling to find whether I'd told a particular Manilow story here before, I see that I communicated just this info in an Ecto post on 15 Feb 1998!) And my favorite rock album when I was a kid was a self-titled (I think) album by the South African band "Four Jacks and a Jill." I have no idea where my sister got ahold of that. The first rock album I owned was Sgt Pepper, which baffled, intrigued, and sorta frightened me when it first came out. I think I curled up and went back to listening to Berlioz. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2007 06:26:19 -0700 (PDT) From: anna maria "stjärnell" Subject: worst songs Hi.. For me..culture club's war song..eh.."war is stupid".. i agree with that but what a terrible song. Likewise Black eyed peas My humps..terribly annoying and silly. anna maria ____________________________________________________________________________________ Need a vacation? Get great deals to amazing places on Yahoo! Travel. http://travel.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2007 11:39:42 -0400 From: "Ella McCrystle" Subject: Re: Find Me song (Re: Review of Find Me? Bill said: > I feel that musicians (or artists in any art form for that matter) > absorb > through osmosis things in their surroundings and that they encounter > along > the way in their travels through this life and synthesize that into > their > own personal expression. I heartily agree with Bill about artists absorbing their environments. There's also the fact that, as someone said about something once... I dunno, something like there are only 7 plots in the world, so everything we think is "new" is just redone. I could try to look that up, but someone out there knows it right off the top of his/her head, and I'm not sure that it's entirely true. > Personally, I don't feel like Happy tries to sound like Annie Lennox > or > David Bowie when singing in her lower register or that she is trying > to > sound like Kate Bush when she sings in higher register. She just > DOES! Even really accomplished singers or impressionists would tell you it's a very hard thing to "sound like" someone as individual as Kate, Annie Lennox, David Bowie or Happy Rhodes and certainly not sustainable over time, let alone a career, nevermind a career where you write your own music. There is NO way Happy (or anyone else) could have "imitated," so successfully, for so long without that being her natural voice. It just happens that things sound so close/alike that they tip off other songs/artists for us. I remember playing the Beekeeper in my car when it was brand new and stopping it at least three times to sing other, older, classic songs. I know she didn't "miss" that completely, so I decided she was paying homage. "With a strut into the room with his hat cocked sure defiantly" ("You walked into the party like you were walking onto a yacht. Your hat strategically dipped below one eye. Your scarf it was apricot.") Also, while I don't think for a minute that Tori herself meant to "steal" anything from Kate Bush, certainly Atlantic were no fools. The boxes from Little Earthquakes always bothered me a bit, and I don't believe for a second that someone in the creative department didn't realize that they were an exact parallel to The Kick Inside, but I don't think it was Tori's "fault." Actually, as Tori has grown as a musician, it becomes more and more clear that Kate Bush is much less an influence on her than others want to make her. Even so -- this video really hammers home the early comparisons, which I believe were engineered by Tori's team trying (successfully) to get Tori noticed by Kate's fan base: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G3FdPQrUPzc Be well, Ella ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2007 10:57:09 -0500 From: Doug Subject: Re: Find Me song (Re: Review of Find Me? > Even so -- this video really hammers home the early comparisons, which > I believe were engineered by Tori's team trying (successfully) to get > Tori noticed by Kate's fan base: > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G3FdPQrUPzc All that helped me notice the following web page. http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://members.aol.com/getoutofmyim/katetori3.jpg&imgrefurl=http://members.aol.com/getoutofmyim/kvst.html&h=297&w=587&sz=44&hl=en&start=6&tbnid=fcXu2C1bFICrxM:&tbnh=68&tbnw=135&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dthe%2Bkick%2Binside%26gbv%3D2%26svnum%3D10%26hl%3Den WOW. - --Doug ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2007 12:10:26 -0400 From: breinheimer@webtv.net (bill) Subject: Re: best worst song actually, you can check out phyllis diller covering satisfaction on rhino records' "golden throats". there are two hilarious volumes of the highlights (lowlights?) of an era when record companies thought it was a good idea to have "celebrities" release albums covering popular songs of the day. for my money, william shatner steals the show with his hysterical over emoting on "lucy in the sky". the ed wood of the musical world. yes, I remember doa by bloodrock. it really used to spook me. I suspect that it's because the song could have easily been about any one of us. I liked some of michael murphy's earlier stuff. geronimo's cadillac and cosmic cowboy come to mind. and i'll always associate wildfire with the passing of phil ochs. I was hanging out after my (college radio station) show when the news came over the ap wire. the station didn't have any of his albums and neither the on air dj nor I had any with us at the time. so he played wildfire because it was mournful. strange but true. np: nico- desertshore. nico- goth before there was a genre ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2007 12:21:46 -0400 From: breinheimer@webtv.net (bill) Subject: Re: best worst song and while on the subject of questionable subjects for weepy ballads (like shannon) how about ben- an ode to a rat. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2007 17:48:29 +0000 From: Greg Blair Subject: My first record(s) My first 7" single was "Bang-Shang-a-Lang" by The Archies. My first album was "Switched On Bach" by WALTER Carlos. - - Gregory B. P.S. And my first rock-n-roll album was "Welcome To My Nightmare" by Alice Cooper. _________________________________________________________________ Climb to the top of the charts! Play Star Shuffle: the word scramble challenge with star power. http://club.live.com/star_shuffle.aspx?icid=starshuffle_wlmailtextlink_oct ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2007 14:03:14 -0400 From: "Urs Stafford" Subject: Re: My first record(s) On 10/9/07, Greg Blair wrote: > My first 7" single was "Bang-Shang-a-Lang" by The Archies. > My first album was "Switched On Bach" by WALTER Carlos. > - Gregory B. > P.S. And my first rock-n-roll album was "Welcome To My Nightmare" by Alice > Cooper. My first album was "The Kick Inside"... :) Cheers, Urs. - -- If you're a real goth, where were you when we sacked Rome? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2007 14:55:59 -0400 From: "Richard Messum" Subject: Re: My first record(s) - ----- Original Message ----- From: Greg Blair To: ecto@smoe.org ; ecto-digest@smoe.org Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2007 1:48 PM Subject: My first record(s) >My first 7" single was "Bang-Shang-a-Lang" by The Archies. >My first album was "Switched On Bach" by WALTER Carlos. >- Gregory B. >P.S. And my first rock-n-roll album was "Welcome To My Nightmare" by Alice >Cooper. I'm obviously a bit older. The first LP i ever bought was "Blue Hawaii" by Elvis Presley. I honestly don't recall what the first 45 was, but it was either "Return To Sender" by Elvis or "Telstar" by The Tornadoes. The last album i bought (last week) was "Afterwords" by Collective Soul. Incidentally, i almost completely lost interest in Elvis when i first heard The Beatles. Cheers Richard ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2007 14:56:51 -0400 (EDT) From: Greg Dunn Subject: Re: My first record(s) Too many memories to share without boring everyone half to death ;-) so I'll hit the highlights: First 7" single was probably Bert Kaempfert's "Wunderland bei nicht" (Geez, was that 1958?) I nearly fell out of my seat when Leo Kottke covered this in a show a few years back. First single I bought with my own money was Peter & Gordon's "World Without Love" - a McCartney composition I think. I had P&G autograph it last summer. :D First LP was Blood Sweat & Tears' second album. I did love that jazz-rock sound - and they covered Erik Satie! First LP borrowed from the library was a DGG pressing of Beethoven's 6th + Schubert's 8th; can't remember the conductor. First concert - Chicago at the Indiana Beach Ballroom in 1969. This was before they released their second album, and they played a LOT of weird stuff that was dropped from subsequent tours... I miss that band; IMHO they ended in 1971. :-( I couldn't afford a proper record player for a long time [finally gave up and built one], so I spent a lot of time at a friend's house listening to his LP collection; The 4 Seasons, the Monkees, the Cryan' Shames, and of course Beatles, Cream, Jeff Beck, Airplane, Mountain, etc. etc. - it was ages before I bought a lot of those for myself. By then I was investigating King Crimson, ELP, Yes, and on and on... One constant over the years: I buy about 1 classical album for every 10 of the rest, which has resulted in a large and very weird collection of orchestral and organ music by now. - -----Original Message----- >From: Greg Blair >Sent: Oct 9, 2007 1:48 PM >To: ecto@smoe.org, ecto-digest@smoe.org >Subject: My first record(s) > >My first 7" single was "Bang-Shang-a-Lang" by The Archies. >My first album was "Switched On Bach" by WALTER Carlos. >- Gregory B. >P.S. And my first rock-n-roll album was "Welcome To My Nightmare" by Alice >Cooper. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2007 14:03:16 -0500 From: Doug Subject: Re: My first record(s) My first album was "I Touch Myself" by Anita Bryant (yes, Divynls covered her, not vice-versa). (GRIN) - --Doug ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2007 15:30:51 -0400 From: "Varker, Patrick" Subject: My First Record Meet The Beatles...after seeing them for the first time on The Ed Sullivan show (thanks to my Mom for calling me into the living room to watch these "funny looking" guys). 1st concert...The Monkees when they played the North Carolina State Fair in Raleigh, NC (1969) A few weeks later I traveled to Raleigh again to see what I consider was my first real "rock" concert...Led Zeppelin (who were touring the US for the very 1st time). Earlier this year I had a chance to talk with John Paul Jones and we talked about that 1st tour. Oh yeah, 1st time I saw Barry Manilow he was band leader for Bette Midler. "The Divine Miss M" album was the only thing she had out at the time. Saw her in a little night club called The Frog and Nightgown (also in Raleigh). Let me tie in some ecto with the 1st time I heard Kate. "The Kick Inside" had just been released here in the US. A neighbor of mine at the time and myself bought about every album that was released in those days between the two of us. He happened to buy Kate's album and took it home to listen to it. A short time later, I had a knock at my door and there he stood with the album. He told me to listen to it, that it was one of the worse things he had ever heard. Needless to say, I put it on and fell in love immediately. I thought it was one of the most brilliant things I had ever heard. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2007 16:15:12 -0400 (EDT) From: Bernie Mojzes Subject: Re: My first record(s) we won't count the sesame street and mr rogers albums... My first 7" single: Paper Lace - "The Night Chicago Died" My first ("adult") LP: Shaun Cassidy (Eponymous). Anyone remember "Da Doo Ron Ron"? My first 12" single: Kate Bush - "Cloudbursting (the Organon Mix) / Burning Bridge / My Lagan Love" My first CD: Peter Gabriel - "Plays Live" (thank you westlinwind) My first 8-track tape: ELO - "Out of the Blue" My first concert: The Beach Boys at the Spectrum First song that grabbed me and pinned me to the radio: David Bowie - "Fame" - -- brni i don't want the world, i just want your half. http://brni.livejournal.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2007 17:06:06 -0400 From: "robert bristow-johnson" Subject: Re: My first record(s) > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Greg Blair" > To: ecto@smoe.org, ecto-digest@smoe.org > Subject: My first record(s) > Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2007 17:48:29 +0000 > > > My first album was "Switched On Bach" by WALTER Carlos. who's that? Wendy's brother? :-) (i remember the Penthouse interview and have actually met and talked with Wendy at an AES Converence on digital music in 1987.) i dunno what my first vinyl was. maybe Carol King Tapestry (see, i liked female vocals from a long time ago) but one of the earliest ones was Pink Floyd Ummagumma. later got the Dark Side of the Moon album and was blown away by the female vocal (Clare Torry) in "Great gig in the sky". this, too, is goddess-like singing like Happy or Lisa Gerrard. around the time of Dark Side i was getting into stuff like Captain Beyond, Led Zep, Black Sabbath, and Blue Oyster Cult (before the latter two were famous). then, in college, i was smoking more cannabis and got into dreamy stuff like Camel (Andy Latimer *not* Peter Frampton), Tangerine Dream, Alan Parsons (I Robot), Yes (i can understand why Happy likes 'em), and still later into jazzy fusion stuff like Al Dimeola, Jean-Luc Ponty (his daughter is now doing some nice piano jazz), Chick Corea, John McLaughlin, Jan Hammer, Jan Ackerman, Brand X (the beginning of Phil Collins), etc. then the 80s came around and i discovered stuff like Richard Souther, Shadowfax, and other Windham Hillish stuff (did *not* like the pop stuff during the Reagan years at all). - -- r b-j rbj@audioimagination.com "Imagination is more important than knowledge." ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2007 15:54:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Alberto Subject: Firsts... Started buying my own music when I was about 10. * First single: "Hitchin' A Ride" - Vanity Fair * First LP: "Cosmo's Factory" - Creedence Clearwater Revival * First Ecto(?) LP: "Close To You" - The Carpenters * First concert dragged to by parents: Vienna Boys Choir (Unless you count [I don't] the musical "Dick Whittington" in which Mary Hopkin sang "Those Were The Days", which would also qualify as my first Ecto performance, if only for one song). * First concert with parents I chose: Neil Diamond (Hot August Night tour) * First concert on my own (dictated by newly acquired driver's license): Black Sabbath *thrusting peace signs in the air* ("Sabotage" tour with Bob Seger opening) followed very closely by Kiss (Kiss Alive tour, Seger opening), Boston (first LP tour, Starcastle, Seger opening), and Bowie! (Station to Station tour, NO SEGER!) * First Ecto(ish) real concert: Fleetwood Mac (with newly acquired Buckingham & Nicks). And yes, perpetual '70s opening act Bob Seger was at that one, too (I've seen the guy about 10 times and have never once paid to see him). * First concert I walked out of in disgust: Peter Frampton (followed closely by The Cars). * First concert I got too drunk, picked a fight with a bouncer and got thrown out: Alice Cooper (Babys opening). * First time a performer jumped into concert crowd and I rubbed his head: Peter Gabriel (He was also the 2nd, 4th, and 5th. Iggy Pop was 3rd, Springsteen 6th). "I don't know anything about music. In my line, you don't have to." ~Elvis Presley - --------------------------------- Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers, not web links. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 11:54:26 +1000 From: Sherlyn Koo Subject: Suzanne Vega coming to Australia Hey folks, Looks like Suzanne Vega is coming to Australia next January. She's only playing at casino theatres though, what the heck is up with that? Sunday January 27 - Jupiters Theatre, Gold Coast Wednesday January 30 - Lyric Theatre, Star City, Sydney Friday February 1 - The Palms at Crown, Melbourne Tuesday February 5 - Burswood Theatre, Perth All tickets on sale next Monday. - -sherlyn - -- Sherlyn Koo | sherlyn@pixelopolis.com | Sydney, Australia ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2007 22:04:21 -0400 From: "Paul Blair" Subject: Re: Find Me song (Re: Review of Find Me? On 10/8/07, Bill Mazur wrote: > I feel that musicians (or artists in any art form for that matter) absorb > through osmosis things in their surroundings and that they encounter along > the way in their travels through this life and synthesize that into their > own personal expression. That is my take on what has happened here with > "Find Me". I feel like it was a completely unconscious act on Happy's part > or just pure coincidence that "Find Me" has any comparison to TNW. It wasn't my intention to suggest that Happy had somehow "ripped off" TNW. When I heard "Find Me," though, I really thought it was a deliberate homage to Kate Bush. I can believe it was something unconscious instead, but I'd still have a hard time believing that the similarities were pure coincidence. In this case it's not simply one aspect that is similar--musical content or mood or lyrical content or genre--it's all of them at once. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2007 20:09:41 -0600 From: neal copperman Subject: Re: Suzanne Vega coming to Australia At least it is better then only playing Second Life venues! neal (off to see Devendra Banahrt) . At 11:54 AM +1000 10/10/07, Sherlyn Koo wrote: >Hey folks, > >Looks like Suzanne Vega is coming to Australia next January. She's >only playing at casino theatres though, what the heck is up with >that? > >Sunday January 27 - Jupiters Theatre, Gold Coast >Wednesday January 30 - Lyric Theatre, Star City, Sydney >Friday February 1 - The Palms at Crown, Melbourne >Tuesday February 5 - Burswood Theatre, Perth > >All tickets on sale next Monday. > >-sherlyn >-- >Sherlyn Koo | sherlyn@pixelopolis.com | Sydney, Australia ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2007 22:17:45 -0400 From: "Paul Blair" Subject: Re: My first record(s) First albums: Jethro Tull's *Songs from the Wood* and the *Star Wars* soundtrack First album I bought with my own money: *Relayer* by Yes (also my first Yes album) First Happy album: *Warpaint* ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 Oct 2007 22:50:52 -0400 From: Mike Connell Subject: Re: My first record(s) Guess I gotta chime in on this one (before the thread has run its' course, which is usually when I chime in :-) My first 45: Either Lady Willpower or Young Girl (whichever came first) - Gary Puckett & The Union Gap My first LP: Whipped Cream & Other Delights - Herb Alpert & The Tijuana Brass My first 8-track tape: probably Goodbye Yellow Brick Road - Elton John My first CD: Welcome To The Pleasuredome - Frankie Goes To Hollywood My first concert: Harry Chapin (IMO, THE best live performer ever.) My first musical I saw live in the Big Apple: a first run/first month performance of Jesus Christ Superstar (with Yvonne Elliman, Ben Vereen...freaking amazing show!!!) Mike ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 Oct 2007 23:04:15 -0400 From: morayati@email.unc.edu Subject: Re: My first record(s) Here, I'll reveal my age... (in case my email account didn't already do so) My first CD was ABBA Gold. Yes, the new compilation. They were the first group/artist whom I really got into, and I still like them even if I don't play them very much. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2007 23:28:10 -0400 From: "Paul Blair" Subject: Brazz Tree in Mass, KY, MO, IL, Chicago, NYC I keep mentioning Brazz Tree because I think ectophiles would like them; I've put their upcoming appearances below. Perhaps because of the violin + acoustic guitar combination they remind me most of Shai nO Shai. The NYC show will be at Joe's Pub on Oct. 27 with Dixie Bee Liners, who also sound interesting in a Neko Case sort of way. More info about that show is here: http://web.joespub.com/caltool/index.cfm?fuseaction=detail&performanceID=3383 Brazz Tree Tour Dates October 10, 2007 Time: 8pm Provincetown Festival- Indiegrrl Provincetown, Massachusetts October 11, 2007 Time: 8pm Provincetown Festival- Indiegrrl Provincetown, Massachusetts October 16, 2007 Time: 8pm Centre College Danville, Kentucky October 17, 2007 Time: 8pm Eastern Kentucky University Richmond, Kentucky October 18, 2007 Time: 6:00PM University of Missouri at Rolla Rolla, Missouri October 19, 2007 Time: 8:00PM Aurora College Aurora, Illinois October 20, 2007 Time: TBA Uncommon Ground Chicago, IL October 27, 2007 Time: 7:00PM Joe's Pub New York, NY See also http://myspace.com/brazztree http://www.brazztree.com ------------------------------ End of ecto-digest V13 #274 ***************************