From: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org (ecto-digest) To: ecto-digest@smoe.org Subject: ecto-digest V13 #273 Reply-To: ecto@smoe.org Sender: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk ecto-digest Tuesday, October 9 2007 Volume 13 : Number 273 To unsubscribe: e-mail ecto-digest-request@smoe.org and put the word unsubscribe in the message body. Today's Subjects: ----------------- Today's your birthday, friends... [Mike Matthews ] "flying saucer songs" [Adam Kimmel ] Shannon [Adam Kimmel ] best worst songs [Adam Kimmel ] Confessions of childish musical loves (was best worst song) ["Ella McCrys] Find Me song (Re: Review of Find Me? ["Xenu's Sister" ] Re: Confessions of childish musical loves (was best worst song) [Ellen Ra] RE: Find Me song (Re: Review of Find Me? ["Bill Mazur" ] Re: Confessions of childish musical loves (was best worst song) ["Richard] Re: Confessions of childish musical loves (was best worst song) [neal cop] Re: Confessions of childish musical loves (was best worst song) [Laura Cl] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2007 03:00:02 -0400 (EDT) From: Mike Matthews Subject: Today's your birthday, friends... i*i*i*i*i*i i*i*i*i*i*i *************** *****HAPPY********* **************BIRTHDAY********* *************************************************** *************************************************************************** ****************** Dan Riley (dsr@lns598.tn.cornell.edu) ****************** ******************** Neile Graham (neile@drizzle.com) ********************* ******************* Quenby M. Chunco (no Email address) ******************* ********************* Mike Garland (no Email address) ********************* *************************************************************************** -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- - -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Dan Riley Sun October 08 1961 Libra Neile Graham Wed October 08 1958 pen Quenby M. Chunco Tue October 08 1968 Crunchy Frog Mike Garland Wed October 08 1952 Creature_of_the_Night Irvin Lin Tue October 09 1973 Libra Michael C. Berch Wed October 10 1956 No parking Chris Gagnon Sat October 10 1970 Libra Wolfgang Drotschmann Thu October 13 1966 Waage Gracescape Fri October 13 1967 unbalanced Brian Bloom Tue October 14 1969 Libra Erik N. Johnson Tue October 16 1962 Handle with Care Kim Klouda Tue October 17 1967 Libra Anthony Amato Sat October 20 1973 Libra Suzanne DeCory Tue October 22 1968 Balancing Libra Dave Steiner Sat October 24 1959 Scorpio Tara MacLean Thu October 25 1973 Scorpio Elin Sjoelie Fri October 25 1974 Scorpio Jessica Koeppel Wed October 29 1969 Scorpio Kat Crowder Sat November 01 1969 Bunnies Katie Dougiamas Sat November 02 1974 Scorpio Anthony Horan Fri November 04 1966 Positive Michael Sullivan Mon November 05 1962 Scorpio Anna Pryde Wed November 05 1975 Scorpio Sun; Sagittarius Moon; Pisces Rising Jens Brage Sun November 08 1964 Scorpio Rising Lynn Garrett Sat November 08 1958 Scorpio Sam Murgie Fri November 08 1957 Scorpio - -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2007 23:51:05 -0800 From: Adam Kimmel Subject: "flying saucer songs" Ah, yes, I remember these -- including the "Jaws" one, and one about the energy crisis (very topical).B The latter had a part where they asked a shiekh how he felt when he looked out on "all those oil wells" and immediately a clip from Ringo Starr's cover of "You're 16" came in -- "...you're beautiful, and you're mine, all mine, all mine".B Always made me laugh. It also ended by saying, "We'd like to carry on, but we've....just...run...out...of......gas". Amazing what you can find funny when you were only 12 or 13. Adam K. np: Noe Venables/The World Is Bound by Secret Knots (just got it due to continued mentions on the list, and it is very much growing on me) ____________________________________________________________ GET FREE SMILEYS FOR YOUR IM & EMAIL - Learn more at http://www.inbox.com/smileys Works with AIMB., MSNB. Messenger, Yahoo!B. Messenger, ICQB., Google Talkb" and most webmails ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2007 00:06:02 -0800 From: Adam Kimmel Subject: Shannon Hey, that was a GREAT song! Henry Gross, if I remember correctly, who at one point was in Sha-na-na-na (umm, too many "nas"?) and then went on to work for the Beach Boys. He was doing solo stuff that I remember was getting great reviews (His solo debut, "Plug Me Into Something" was supposed to be brilliant), but I think this was his only hit. It was inspired, I believe, either Dennis or Brian Wilson's dog that had drowned. Oddly, I've just looked up his "Greatest Hits" anthology, and his only actual hit isn't on it. Adam K. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2007 00:19:21 -0800 From: Adam Kimmel Subject: best worst songs Ooh! Ooh! I got one! Tom T. Hall's turgid croak on "I Love" ("Little fluffy ducks/Bright red pickup trucks"). sometimes I realise that childhood wasn't such an idyllic time. Adam K. ____________________________________________________________ ONE-CLICK WEBMAIL ACCESS - Easily monitor & access your email accounts! Visit http://www.inbox.com/notifier and check it out! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2007 11:05:28 -0400 From: "Ella McCrystle" Subject: Confessions of childish musical loves (was best worst song) I've been meaning to confess this since First PamelaP (who has a cool email address) admitted to us: > Haven't seen it mentioned yet but Seasons in the Sun was one of the > first > 45s I ever bought, in fact I think it may have been the very first. > That's > another one I'd have to put pretty high on the "Oh, I'm so > embarrassed" > list. But hey, I was 9 and was working my way out of a Donny Osmond > crush. I didn't think her sin was even close to as bad as mine, so I let it slip, subconsciously of course, but when Amy just admitted: > My crush was even more embarrassing...Leif Garrett. Ugh. Amy, Just to let you know, Leif Garrett actually was on tour until very recently if not still on tour -- with The Bay City Rollers and others. You may be able to get tickets if the "Original Idols Live" tour is still touring. (I learned this during a commercial for "Celebrity ---?" where Leif Garrett was actually involved.) I feel oddly compelled to scream to the ecto world that I did, I really truly did, go to my very first ever "concert" (complete w/ large arena and perhaps a light-show and lots of "stuff" and a tour book etc) in early 1977 to see Shaun Cassidy. What is worse is that I was so young (9) that my awful mother made my poor older sister (17 at the time) take me friend and I to this ridiculous "event." (Even my MOTHER didn't want to be seen there, or with me -- not sure.) On some level I realized just how uncool it was DURING the show (possibly b/c of my older sister burning me with cigarettes...) Anyway, I never went to an embarrassing concert (on purpose) again. And Amy, I may well have made the Leif Garrett mistake if my older sister hadn't put the fear of god into me. He toured Baltimore in the very timeframe. He stuck around for a long time, but I remember that he was pretty popular in 1977. Ah -- 76-77 were heady years for teen idols. Thinking of these guys, they both covered hits from fairly long before their time. Shaun Cassidy's "Da Doo Ron Ron" & Garrett's covers of "Put Your Head On My Shoulder" & "Runaround Sue" etc. Garrett even covered "Surfin' USA" at a time when the Beach Boys were still heavy radio hitters. Hmm. Didn't they have to pay for the rights? To Phil Spector at the very least? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2007 10:47:01 -0700 (PDT) From: "Xenu's Sister" Subject: Find Me song (Re: Review of Find Me? - --- Jon Wesley Huff wrote: > free to use it and edit as you see fit. I forgot to say that I did edit it slightly. You wrote: > the last thoughts of a dying crash victim in the title track, For the CD Baby entry, I changed that to "...of a dying drowning victim..." because crash indicates (to me) a car crash or a plane crash, and the song is about someone who is adrift at sea. Maybe she got there via a plane crash, but the song is more about being in the water, pleading to be found in time, and her dying thoughts of childhood anguish, than how she got in the water. Lordy what a sad song. Song trivia: Despite its lyrical similarity to Kate's "The Ninth Wave," that was pure coincidence. Happy never delved closely into the lyrics of TNW, and had no idea it was about a woman adrift at sea until I told her. I don't know which would seem worse, Happy riffing on Kate lyrics, or her not knowing what TNW is about (especially considering she's covered "And Dream of Sheep" live). Thanks again Jon! Vickie ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2007 14:34:28 -0400 From: "Paul Blair" Subject: Re: Find Me song (Re: Review of Find Me? On 10/8/07, Xenu's Sister wrote: > Song trivia: Despite its lyrical similarity to Kate's "The Ninth Wave," that > was pure coincidence. Wow is that ever hard to believe. It's not just the lyrics; just try playing it next to "And Dream of Sheep" and "Hello Earth." It's like a hidden track from _Hounds of Love_. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2007 11:53:15 -0700 (PDT) From: "Xenu's Sister" Subject: Re: Confessions of childish musical loves (was best worst song) - --- Ella McCrystle wrote: > I feel oddly compelled to scream to the ecto world that I did, I > really truly did, go to my very first ever "concert" (complete w/ > large arena and perhaps a light-show and lots of "stuff" and a tour > book etc) in early 1977 to see > > Shaun Cassidy. Oh you youngsters. *My* childhood idols were Davy Jones of The Monkees and, wait for it...David Cassidy! His was supposed to be my first rock concert, I had a ticket for it and everything, but it got cancelled. I was an unrepentant teenybopper, until... I had to wait a few years for my real first rock concert, which was Alice Cooper's Billion Dollar Babies tour. The difference between the missed opportunity of seeing David running around on a stage with several thousand screaming girls beside me, and watching Alice run around on stage with a giant toothbrush, capturing the fleeing giant tooth, then fucking it with the toothbrush, made me the person I am today...warped. (that, and, that night also being the first time I ever did LSD...good times). I feel slightly abashed at having been such a huge Partridge Family fan, but I feel no shame in being either a Monkees fan or an Alice Cooper fan. The Monkees released some damn fine songs, and Alice's Billion Dollar Babies album is a true classic (especially the title song, with another idol, Donovan, getting all creepy in there). Vickie ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2007 12:09:22 -0700 (PDT) From: "Xenu's Sister" Subject: Re: Find Me song (Re: Review of Find Me? Clarification...I said: > the song is about someone who is adrift at sea. > Maybe she got there via a plane crash, I meant to add "we don't know" because it's never indicated in the song how she got in the ocean/lake/sea/whatever in the first place, and Happy hasn't said anything about it. - --- Paul Blair wrote: > On 10/8/07, Xenu's Sister wrote: > > Song trivia: Despite its lyrical similarity to Kate's "The Ninth Wave," that > > was pure coincidence. > > Wow is that ever hard to believe. I know, but Happy insists. I believe her, because she could have just said that she wanted to try her own take on that subject. When the Sampler came out I joked about her becoming a target for irate Kate fans, but she had no idea what I was talking about, so I explained the entire plot of The Ninth Wave (including what "And Dream of Sheep" was about). Color her surprised. I adore Happy, but that was one of the times where I wanted to (very gently) bop her on the head. :) Not least because TNW is so frickin' brilliant, how could someone who loves Kate (and Happy does) not delve into the lyrics? > It's not just the lyrics; just try playing it next to "And Dream of > Sheep" and "Hello Earth." It's like a hidden track from _Hounds of Love_. I know. I agree. Maybe some of the theme of TNW rubbed off on Happy and she ingested it subconsiously, to be regurgitated years later. Or, great minds think alike. Vickie ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2007 14:19:57 -0500 (CDT) From: "Kat Crowder" Subject: Re: Find Me song (Re: Review of Find Me? On Mon, October 8, 2007 2:09 pm, Xenu's Sister wrote: > I know, but Happy insists. I believe her, because she could have just > said that she wanted to try her own take on that subject. When the > Sampler came out I joked about her becoming a target for irate Kate > fans, but she had no idea what I was talking about, so I explained > the entire plot of The Ninth Wave (including what "And Dream of Sheep" > was about). Color her surprised. I adore Happy, but that was one of > the times where I wanted to (very gently) bop her on the head. :) > Not least because TNW is so frickin' brilliant, how could someone who > loves Kate (and Happy does) not delve into the lyrics? This reminds me of Equipoise's "He Will Come" with the character Gabrielle, and Happy saying that she'd never read any Anne Rice. I'll begin to get suspicious if she ever says she's never seen _Blade Runner_. :) - -- _ ___ _.--. \`.|\..----...-'` `-._.-'_.-'` / ' ` , __.--' )/' _/ \ `-_, / `-'" `"\_ ,_.-;_.-\_ ', fsc/as _.-'_./ {_.' ; / {_.-``-' {_/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2007 12:59:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Ellen Rawson Subject: Re: Confessions of childish musical loves (was best worst song) - --- Xenu's Sister wrote: > > Oh you youngsters. *My* childhood idols were Davy > Jones of The Monkees > and, wait for it...David Cassidy! His was supposed > to be my first > rock concert, I had a ticket for it and everything, > but it got cancelled. My sister, ten years my senior (and she who did attend Woodstock the first time around), dragged me out of David Cassidy fandom pretty fast. However, she couldn't help me with Barry Manilow fandom. Yes, I will admit that I saw Manilow in concert in 1973. I was young and stupid -- what can I say? Does it help that just two years later I was seeing acts such as Fairport Convention (last tour with Sandy Denny!), Renaissance, Janis Ian, etc.? I outgrew Manilow quickly. ;) Funny story. Back in the '90s, I was visiting my family in Philly. My niece, then a teenager, had a dance recital that night. Otherwise, she and my sister would have joined me at a Holly Near/Dar Williams gig in Wilmington, Delaware. When I mentioned it to them, my sister's reaction was 'I haven't seen Holly Near in years'. My niece was more concerned about Dar. For me, it was both of them. ;) And on another trip visiting family in that same decade, I was tempted to try to sneak in my then underage niece to an over-21 only October Project show in Philly. I couldn't. But I did buy her a t-shirt. She was a big fan. The kid was raised with good taste. (On the other hand, as a teenager she went to a Bob Dylan/Ani DiFranco show as an Ani fan. She came home asking her mother if had they had Dylan albums in the house. Um, just a few. :) Ellen ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2007 13:17:58 -0700 From: "Bill Mazur" Subject: RE: Find Me song (Re: Review of Find Me? I feel that non-musicians that really love music (versus the general listening public) get into one or more elements of the music of their favorite artists. Some are drawn more to the musical content and the mood that the music creates. Some are drawn more to the lyrical content and what the artists is saying (or at least their interpretation of what the artist is trying to say). Some are into the whole image or hip-ness factor. Some are into the fact that the artist is THEIR artist and so on and so on... I feel that musicians (or artists in any art form for that matter) absorb through osmosis things in their surroundings and that they encounter along the way in their travels through this life and synthesize that into their own personal expression. That is my take on what has happened here with "Find Me". I feel like it was a completely unconscious act on Happy's part or just pure coincidence that "Find Me" has any comparison to TNW. Personally, I don't feel like Happy tries to sound like Annie Lennox or David Bowie when singing in her lower register or that she is trying to sound like Kate Bush when she sings in higher register. She just DOES! The fact that she can move so freely between those extremes makes her a unique and amazing singer. I would say that the same thing goes for her songwriting. I hope that I am making some sense with this point. Even when a true artist is completely influenced by another artist, their expression will grow into its own and transcend the initial influence. I think that Happy writes music and lyrics that have meaning to her in her life. Whether the songs are autobiographical, metaphorical or just a damn good story, they feel like they are Happy's expression based on what she wants to say as an artist. Like any artist, I am sure that Happy is grateful that some of us embrace her art and that we resonate with her expression. I may be completely off-base here with my assessment. But that is my take for what it's worth. - -----Original Message----- From: owner-ecto@smoe.org [mailto:owner-ecto@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Xenu's Sister Sent: Monday, October 08, 2007 12:09 PM To: Ecto Subject: Re: Find Me song (Re: Review of Find Me? Clarification...I said: > the song is about someone who is adrift at sea. > Maybe she got there via a plane crash, I meant to add "we don't know" because it's never indicated in the song how she got in the ocean/lake/sea/whatever in the first place, and Happy hasn't said anything about it. - --- Paul Blair wrote: > On 10/8/07, Xenu's Sister wrote: > > Song trivia: Despite its lyrical similarity to Kate's "The Ninth Wave," that > > was pure coincidence. > > Wow is that ever hard to believe. I know, but Happy insists. I believe her, because she could have just said that she wanted to try her own take on that subject. When the Sampler came out I joked about her becoming a target for irate Kate fans, but she had no idea what I was talking about, so I explained the entire plot of The Ninth Wave (including what "And Dream of Sheep" was about). Color her surprised. I adore Happy, but that was one of the times where I wanted to (very gently) bop her on the head. :) Not least because TNW is so frickin' brilliant, how could someone who loves Kate (and Happy does) not delve into the lyrics? > It's not just the lyrics; just try playing it next to "And Dream of > Sheep" and "Hello Earth." It's like a hidden track from _Hounds of Love_. I know. I agree. Maybe some of the theme of TNW rubbed off on Happy and she ingested it subconsiously, to be regurgitated years later. Or, great minds think alike. Vickie ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2007 17:00:32 -0400 From: "Richard Messum" Subject: Re: Confessions of childish musical loves (was best worst song) - ----- Original Message ----- From: Ellen Rawson To: ecto@smoe.org Sent: Monday, October 08, 2007 3:59 PM Subject: Re: Confessions of childish musical loves (was best worst song) My sister, ten years my senior (and she who did attend Woodstock the first time around), dragged me out of David Cassidy fandom pretty fast. However, she couldn't help me with Barry Manilow fandom. Yes, I will admit that I saw Manilow in concert in 1973. I was young and stupid -- what can I say? Does it help that just two years later I was seeing acts such as Fairport Convention (last tour with Sandy Denny!), Renaissance, Janis Ian, etc.? I outgrew Manilow quickly. ;) Ellen There's nothing wrong with Barry Manilow (or The Carpenters or The Partridge Family) -- it could never be called serious music but it's entertainment and to be entertained is all that the masses want from music. And what's so wrong with that? Heck, i once owned a Barry Manilow 45 ("Weekend In New England") (no idea where it is now, though). (Which is rather a shame as i liked the song.) I agree that i would far rather listen to Fairport Convention or Renaissance or .. oh, what's her name? Happy Something ;o) I, personally, prefer music that blows my socks off, makes me think and / or makes me weep with joy or sadness -- as do you! But to have a guilty conscience because you like(d) a style of music that was "only" entertaining is, i think, a bit self-defeating. I don't want to watch Fellini every night: sometimes i want to watch "Die Hard With A Vengeance." Like what you want, love what you love, and never feel the need to explain your choices. Cheers Richard ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2007 15:04:08 -0600 From: neal copperman Subject: Re: Confessions of childish musical loves (was best worst song) My first two concerts that I got to choose, both in the same week, were Men at Work with the Plimsouls and U2 with The Alarm (in 1983). I went in a huge Men at Work fan and came out bored and frustrated (and I hated the Plimsouls). I had only heard one U2 song and thought it was ok, but the Alarm/U2 concert was a musical revelation and definitely changed my taste and interest. neal np: Con Sus Manos 3-song preview from SONiA and disappear fear . At 12:59 PM -0700 10/8/07, Ellen Rawson wrote: >--- Xenu's Sister wrote: > >> >> Oh you youngsters. *My* childhood idols were Davy >> Jones of The Monkees >> and, wait for it...David Cassidy! His was supposed >> to be my first >> rock concert, I had a ticket for it and everything, >> but it got cancelled. > >My sister, ten years my senior (and she who did attend >Woodstock the first time around), dragged me out of >David Cassidy fandom pretty fast. However, she >couldn't help me with Barry Manilow fandom. Yes, I >will admit that I saw Manilow in concert in 1973. I >was young and stupid -- what can I say? > >Does it help that just two years later I was seeing >acts such as Fairport Convention (last tour with Sandy >Denny!), Renaissance, Janis Ian, etc.? I outgrew >Manilow quickly. ;) > >Funny story. Back in the '90s, I was visiting my >family in Philly. My niece, then a teenager, had a >dance recital that night. Otherwise, she and my sister >would have joined me at a Holly Near/Dar Williams gig >in Wilmington, Delaware. When I mentioned it to them, >my sister's reaction was 'I haven't seen Holly Near in >years'. My niece was more concerned about Dar. For me, >it was both of them. ;) And on another trip visiting >family in that same decade, I was tempted to try to >sneak in my then underage niece to an over-21 only >October Project show in Philly. I couldn't. But I did >buy her a t-shirt. She was a big fan. The kid was >raised with good taste. (On the other hand, as a >teenager she went to a Bob Dylan/Ani DiFranco show as >an Ani fan. She came home asking her mother if had >they had Dylan albums in the house. Um, just a few. :) > >Ellen ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 08 Oct 2007 17:20:09 -0400 From: Laura Clifford Subject: Re: Confessions of childish musical loves (was best worst song) At 12:59 PM 10/8/2007 -0700, Ellen Rawson wrote: >--- Xenu's Sister wrote: > >> >> Oh you youngsters. *My* childhood idols were Davy >> Jones of The Monkees >> and, wait for it...David Cassidy! His was supposed >> to be my first >> rock concert, I had a ticket for it and everything, >> but it got cancelled. > >My sister, ten years my senior (and she who did attend >Woodstock the first time around), dragged me out of >David Cassidy fandom pretty fast. However, she >couldn't help me with Barry Manilow fandom. Yes, I >will admit that I saw Manilow in concert in 1973. I >was young and stupid -- what can I say? > Hey don't knock Manilow - I saw him at the Harvard Stadium probably around the same time frame. It was outdoors and began to rain - one of his dancers slid and slipped right off the stage. He had everybody leave for safety reasons (some of the electrical equipment seemed dicey) and continued the show by himself. He was a real trooper. Laura ------------------------------ End of ecto-digest V13 #273 ***************************