From: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org (ecto-digest) To: ecto-digest@smoe.org Subject: ecto-digest V13 #269 Reply-To: ecto@smoe.org Sender: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk ecto-digest Friday, October 5 2007 Volume 13 : Number 269 To unsubscribe: e-mail ecto-digest-request@smoe.org and put the word unsubscribe in the message body. Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Guitar strings and bumper sticker thoughts.. [jessica koeppel ] Re: best worst song [Joseph Zitt ] Re: Geniuses TJ-Y hates... ;^)~ [Joseph Zitt ] Re: What's the best "worst" song you've ever heard? [Joseph Zitt ] Re: Guitar strings and bumper sticker thoughts.. ["Xenu's Sister" ] Re: Guitar strings and bumper sticker thoughts.. [Timothy Jones-Yelvingto] RE" The 29 Shirts Off My Back [Mark B ] Re: The Moon Seven Times (!!) news ["Paul Jensen" ] Re: Guitar strings and bumper sticker thoughts.. [meredith ] Review of Find Me? [Gary Davis ] Anyone got specific questions about Find Me? ["Sue Trowbridge" ] Re: White Chalk packaging [Timothy Jones-Yelvington ] RE: Find me has found England ["Bill Mazur" ] Ewww [Greg Blair ] Re: White Chalk packaging ["Karen Hester" ] Re: It Found Me in Portland today [alan ] Re: White Chalk packaging [DanStark <2005.carnivore99@verizon.net>] Re: White Chalk packaging [Joseph Zitt ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2007 22:48:36 -0700 From: jessica koeppel Subject: Re: Guitar strings and bumper sticker thoughts.. meredith wrote: > woj and I have one of Susan Werner's G-strings hanging from our back > doorknob in the kitchen. whoa, there's an entirely different way to read that... i just came from a screening of "exes and ohs" so maybe that influences my thoughts right now! (http://www.logoonline.com/shows/dyn/exes_and_ohs/series.jhtml ) - --jessica ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2007 23:56:17 -0800 From: Adam Kimmel Subject: Run Joey Run Well, jesus wept, thanks a bunch. I remember this song well (although had obviously blotted it out of my mind and unable to nominate it) and it's a...um, delight to hear it again after all these years. I really thought there was going to be a video to it when I followed the link, and it was a mixed sense of relief when I realised there wasn't. Last year I got my sister the "Have a Nice Day" 70s compilation from Rhino for her 50th birthday. Fitting, I thought, as it had so many of the songs we used to listen to together, for better or worse, and I remember David Geddes being on there along with loads of other goodies. She promised to lend it to me, but she never has! Speaking of the early 70s, does anybody remember the spoken-word single that made it to the charts called "I'm Proud to be an American"?. I think the lyrics got recycled just after 9/11, someone putting them about as a new and original response to the events. It was truly terrible, although it doesn't actually count as a "song", per se. So, I'd like to introduce everybody to Black Lace and "Agadoo", an inexplicably popular song from the early 80s which I believe made it to #1 in the UK charts. The YouTube clip isn't great quality, but it truly is a feast for the eyes and ears: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lu-UkTv8tVk. Bear in mind, these guys actually had several hits. Thanks for whoever (sorry, my memories not what it used to...what was I saying?) posted the April Winchell link. It's fabulous -- there are tracks there I haven't heard in years or have only head legends about ("Satisfaction" by Phyllis Diller?). Some of them I don't really think are that bad ("Day Tripper" as done by the Swingle Singers) and the Ani Di Franco/Jackie Chan duet is not as screamingly bizarre as it sounds like it should be. Have to say, that this whole thread couldn't have come at a better time for me, what with autumn drawing in here in London and the days dim and dreary, me stomping through the dead leaves and dog sh*t of Acton and disappearing into the shadows. It's good to see the list buzzing again, what with Ectofest, Find Me and now fun topics like this. All hail the warm blue fuzziness, and thanks for everything. Adam K. ____________________________________________________________ FREE 3D MARINE AQUARIUM SCREENSAVER - Watch dolphins, sharks & orcas on your desktop! Check it out at http://www.inbox.com/marineaquarium ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2007 02:38:07 -0700 From: Joseph Zitt Subject: Re: best worst song Timothy Jones-Yelvington wrote: > Sometimes poor pronunciation is a deliberate artistic choice... Like what > Rufus Wainwright does (effectively in my opinion_, to make the music more > ??legato?? I think that's the right word. English can be a harsh language. It's a common canard that English can't be sung well. It can, but you have to pay attention to the rhythms and flow of the language. You also have to write appropriately. Stuff that works appropriately in, say, Italian, which can be fairly easily yelled unamplified across a large room (as in opera), doesn't fly in English, which doesn't deal so much with "pure" long vowels as with consonants, diphthongs, and elisions. Pace Rufus, you don't have to mumble, howl, and distort the words--you just have to think about what you're doing. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2007 02:32:19 -0700 From: Joseph Zitt Subject: Re: Geniuses TJ-Y hates... ;^)~ Timothy Jones-Yelvington wrote: > They are all three fantastic songwriters and poets, and I must admit I > haven't listened to Tom Waits nearly as much as I should. After decades of trying, I've given up on understanding why people let Tom Waits sing without pelting him with lozenges or something. He's written some good songs, and I love the production on some of his albums, but his voice is a complete run-and-hide for me. > I've had the experience multiple times with Cohen of having a song pop out > and immediately grab me on someone's record, and discovering it's one of his > (usually one of his best-known). I recently heard the reissues of some of his first records and was surprised at how little I liked them. On the other hand, his voice on the records after about "I'm Your Man" grabs me immediately, and I love the recordings of the early songs on "Cohen Live." We had a running gag of never being able to play the end of disc 2 of "The Essential Leonard Cohen" when it first came out. We would put it on, people would flock over to the Now Playing rack to find out what that voice was, and would immediately buy all the copies in stock. It's almost eerie. NP: Anjani and Leonard Cohen live in Warsaw.31 March 2007 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2007 02:47:26 -0700 From: Joseph Zitt Subject: Re: What's the best "worst" song you've ever heard? Mark Chapman wrote: > "Muskrat Love" or "Afternoon Delight" I remember someone doing a parody of "Muskrat Love," with the lyrics "Hamster sandwich, hamster and cheese..." Ah! Google tells me that it's "Hamster Love" by Big Daddy http://www.themadmusicarchive.com/song_details.aspx?SongID=103 I have "Afternoon Delight" permanently wired into my brain. My induction-through-torture into popular music was the summer school schoolbus in the nadir of popular music, 1974. Yes, we were stuck with that, "Run Joey Run," "Billy Don't Be a Hero," "The Night Chicago Died," and no doubt other songs that can't be mentioned without invoking Nyarlathotep. OTOH, The Captain and Tennille did pull off one track that was just jaw-dropping in its cheesy audacity, and got it to work well: a cover of "Happy Together" that ran about eight minutes and included the songs of a bullfight. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 00:22:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Alberto Subject: Re: Guitar string thoughts.. Yeah, I was gonna say... I'd pay top dollar for a Happy G-string... sorry... cheap joke... I know... never mind... jessica koeppel wrote: meredith wrote: > woj and I have one of Susan Werner's G-strings hanging from our back > doorknob in the kitchen. whoa, there's an entirely different way to read that... i just came from a screening of "exes and ohs" so maybe that influences my thoughts right now! (http://www.logoonline.com/shows/dyn/exes_and_ohs/series.jhtml ) - --jessica "I don't know anything about music. In my line, you don't have to." ~Elvis Presley - --------------------------------- Luggage? GPS? Comic books? Check out fitting gifts for grads at Yahoo! Search. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 00:00:33 -0700 (PDT) From: "Xenu's Sister" Subject: Re: Guitar strings and bumper sticker thoughts.. - --- jessica koeppel wrote: > meredith wrote: > > > woj and I have one of Susan Werner's G-strings hanging from our back > > doorknob in the kitchen. > > whoa, there's an entirely different way to read that... We knew meth and woj were perverts, but I wonder if Susan Werner knows (how did you GET that G-string anyway?) Vickie ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 08:55:30 -0700 (PDT) From: "Xenu's Sister" Subject: Re: Wait, the CDs *I HAVE* are sold out (Re: CDs are SOLD OUT - --- john d wrote: > About the CDs. I would love to share Happy's music with others so i will buy > as many as my not so tight budget and she will allow! Hi John, I just heard from Happy and she's fine with sending more CDs. She asked me how many I wanted, so if you could give me a number that would be helpful. 2-3? 6? 10? Whatever number you choose is what Happy will send (well, plus more for others too). Happy's got plenty to send, so no worries there. I'll respond to your post in ecto too, but I wanted to ask about the number in private. > Thanks again for helping spread the love! You're very welcome! Vickie > > John > > On 10/3/07, Xenu's Sister wrote: > > > > > > --- john d wrote: > > > > > Please Please let me know how I can get 2 or 3 (more if i can but it > > want to > > > be fair to others) for family and friends!! > > > > > > Thanks! > > > > > > John E Doumani > > > newby on the list > > > > Welcome to ecto! I've got a few others who have written me in the > > last few hours, so I will ask Happy if she'll send more. I can > > always send extras back to her. > > > > Vickie > > > > > > -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > > > Music's the way, the only way I know... > > > > Happy Rhodes MySpace page: http://www.myspace.com/happyrhodes > > Happy Rhodes song samples: http://wretchawry.com/happy/samples > > Happy Rhodes on YouTube: > > http://wretchawry.com/happy/rarities/videolist.html > > Happy Rhodes Subtitled videos: > > http://wretchawry.com/happy/rarities/googlevideo.html > > > > Suspended In Gaffa: http://suspended-in-gaffa.com > > Streaming audio: http://www.myspace.com/gaffashow > > > > -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 08:59:02 -0700 (PDT) From: "Xenu's Sister" Subject: Re: Wait, the CDs *I HAVE* are sold out (Re: CDs are SOLD OUT Click "Respond to Everyone" but then forget to NOT respond to everyone. Sheesh. - --- Xenu's Sister wrote: > I'll respond to your post in ecto too, but I wanted to ask about > the number in private. Ha, so much for that, eh? Geez, I'm glad I didn't start waxing nostalgic about that wild night we had... V (Just kidding folks, especially if there's a Mrs. John D.) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 08:08:51 -0700 From: "john d" Subject: Re: Wait, the CDs *I HAVE* are sold out (Re: CDs are SOLD OUT Thank you, Vickie. I am VERY happy to be here! I have been eagerly awaiting Happy's new CD and have been hungrily getting turned on to new artist and reading up on the latest King Crimson news as well. I just wish i had more time to spend on here! About the CDs. I would love to share Happy's music with others so i will buy as many as my not so tight budget and she will allow! Thanks again for helping spread the love! John On 10/3/07, Xenu's Sister wrote: > > > --- john d wrote: > > > Please Please let me know how I can get 2 or 3 (more if i can but it > want to > > be fair to others) for family and friends!! > > > > Thanks! > > > > John E Doumani > > newby on the list > > Welcome to ecto! I've got a few others who have written me in the > last few hours, so I will ask Happy if she'll send more. I can > always send extras back to her. > > Vickie > > > -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > Music's the way, the only way I know... > > Happy Rhodes MySpace page: http://www.myspace.com/happyrhodes > Happy Rhodes song samples: http://wretchawry.com/happy/samples > Happy Rhodes on YouTube: > http://wretchawry.com/happy/rarities/videolist.html > Happy Rhodes Subtitled videos: > http://wretchawry.com/happy/rarities/googlevideo.html > > Suspended In Gaffa: http://suspended-in-gaffa.com > Streaming audio: http://www.myspace.com/gaffashow > > -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 01:59:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Ellen Rawson Subject: Find me has found England All right, maybe it wasn't with the speed it arrived in other places, but 'Find Me' just flew through my door this morning! (Today is my late start at work; I don't teach until the early afternoon. I then have three classes in a row, but it means that I get to have a bit of a lie in in the morning, and I work from home until around 11 AM or so. It's delightful!) I'm now opening up the package! :) Ellen ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2007 08:45:27 -0500 From: Timothy Jones-Yelvington Subject: Re: Guitar strings and bumper sticker thoughts.. That reminds me... I've had "The Gospel Truth" for several months and keep forgetting to listen to it. Shame. tim On 10/3/07 11:31 PM, "meredith" wrote: > Hi, > > Xenu's Sister wrote: >> That is a VERY good idea! I'm going to pass that on to Happy. > > Guitar strings, yes. > > woj and I have one of Susan Werner's G-strings hanging from our back doorknob > in the kitchen. ;) > It's a cat toy. > > I would definitely buy a HR bumper sticker if one were available. (CafePress > does stickers, don't > they??) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2007 18:01:29 -0700 (PDT) From: Mark B Subject: RE" The 29 Shirts Off My Back People, Here are a couple of pics of the shirts so you can see what you will get for your donation. http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2007-7/1271301/KateFront.jpg http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2007-7/1271301/KateBack.jpg They are very rare and the farm is a great place to support. BTW, the shirts were donated by Kevin Bartlett and Aural Gratification Studios. The idea to support a no kill farm was Happy's with help from Vickie. Thanks to Kate for being our model. Please donate and receive a shirt. Thanks, Mark ____________________________________________________________________________________ Got a little couch potato? Check out fun summer activities for kids. http://search.yahoo.com/search?fr=oni_on_mail&p=summer+activities+for+kids&cs=bz ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 08:31:21 -0500 From: "Paul Jensen" Subject: Re: The Moon Seven Times (!!) news OMG - that's so awesome!! And I live in Champaign, which makes it almost too good to be true!! :) Paul - -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "This is the time. And this is the record of the time." -Laurie Anderson ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2007 11:14:17 -0400 From: meredith Subject: Re: Guitar strings and bumper sticker thoughts.. Hi, Xenu's Sister wrote: > We knew meth and woj were perverts, but I wonder if Susan Werner knows > (how did you GET that G-string anyway?) Hey, she put it there herself, don't blame either of us! ;> Joseph Zitt wrote: > I remember someone doing a parody of "Muskrat Love," with the lyrics "Hamster sandwich, hamster and cheese..." Ah! Google tells me that it's "Hamster Love" by Big Daddy Ah, Big Daddy. Are those guys still around? Has anyone told them the '50s are over yet? :) Big Daddy is a doo-wop group built around the story that they were all Korean War prisoners who didn't come home until the 1980s, and thus don't know the '50s are over. They reimagine all sorts of hit songs as doo-wop tunes, and it's kinda brilliant. They even have a Beatles album. http://www.dustbury.com/music/bigdad2.html My favorite bit of theirs is in their version of "Purple Rain" (I think that's the one, anyway -- it's been a while!) where it breaks down into a kind of soliloquy, and in the background you hear a pretty good James Brown impersonation yelling, "Wheres mah Grammy?! *WHERE IS MAH GRAMMY!!*" Maybe it's a location thing, but it kills me every time I think of it. :) - -- =============================================== Meredith Tarr New Haven, CT USA mailto:meth@smoe.org http://www.smoe.org/meth =============================================== hear at the HOMe House Concert Series http://hom.smoe.org =============================================== ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 17:15:31 -0400 From: "Karen Hester" Subject: White Chalk packaging Is White Chalk (PJ Harvey) only available in that cardboard envelope? I haven't seen anything involving a booklet or even a digipack that opens out, and she doesn't like print lyrics so guess this makes sense. If so, this'll be the first time I've bought an entire album in digital files - there's no charm to the object. Has anyone tried amazon's MP3s?. > From: Joseph Zitt > Actually, I've had a *lot* of customers almost-not-getting (there's > probably a special verb form for that in German) a lot of the current > albums that are in flimsy cardboard packaging because they think that > they are singles. And they are far more easily stolen -- it looks like > we will have to salute the eco-friendly packaging by putting a lot more > plastic around it ourselves. Perhaps those rectangular boxes that American CDs originally came in will come back into fashion :) K. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2007 11:31:20 -0400 From: Gary Davis Subject: Review of Find Me? Hi, folks, Got a favor to ask of you. I'm terrible at writing descriptions of CD's and Happy hasn't written one yet for Find Me. I could use a good paragraph to post on The Artist Shop and in my newsletter. Any Ectophiles who've received their CD care to give it a shot? Thanks, Gary ************************************************************** Gary Davis The Artist Shop The Other Road http://www.artist-shop.com artshop@artist-shop.com phone: 877-856-1158, 330-929-2056 fax:330-945-4923 INDEPENDENT PROGRESSIVE MUSIC!!! ************************************************************** Check out the latest Artist Shop newsletter at http://www.artist-shop.com/news.htm ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 11:25:13 -0700 From: "Sue Trowbridge" Subject: Anyone got specific questions about Find Me? My husband Joe is going to be interviewing Happy on Saturday for his show on Delicious Agony Progressive Rock Radio ( http://www.deliciousagony.com ). If anyone has any burning questions about "Find Me," please send them to me off-list, and he'll try to ask them. I will, of course, let everyone know when the interview airs. He has put Happy's music in rotation at DA, so who knows, maybe he'll help create some new fans. We happened to run into a guy at an Emily Bezar show who had discovered her music because he caught Joe's interview with her. - --Sue ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 18:30:22 -0700 From: Michael Pearce Subject: It Found Me in Portland today No, not C'thulu; the CD. Ripping it to iTunes now. (While the ITMS does not have the cover art, it does have the track listing already.) C'thulu finds Portland this weekend at the H.P. Lovecraft Film Festival. Michael ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2007 19:30:56 -0500 From: Timothy Jones-Yelvington Subject: Re: White Chalk packaging Are you certain there isn't a booklet or foldout sheet inside the cardboard sleeve? I've had a (free illegal advance) copy for weeks (still planning on buying when I have more cash, there were just SO many releases these past two weeks), and I almost bought the disc on the spot just because I was actually thrilled that it wouldn't take up any space on my shelf. I'm very out of space. But there's even less space on my hard drive. tim On 10/4/07 4:15 PM, "Karen Hester" wrote: > Is White Chalk (PJ Harvey) only available in that cardboard envelope? > I haven't seen anything involving a booklet or even a digipack that > opens out, and she doesn't like print lyrics so guess this makes > sense. If so, this'll be the first time I've bought an entire album > in digital files - there's no charm to the object. > > Has anyone tried amazon's MP3s?. > >> From: Joseph Zitt >> Actually, I've had a *lot* of customers almost-not-getting (there's >> probably a special verb form for that in German) a lot of the current >> albums that are in flimsy cardboard packaging because they think that >> they are singles. And they are far more easily stolen -- it looks like >> we will have to salute the eco-friendly packaging by putting a lot more >> plastic around it ourselves. > > Perhaps those rectangular boxes that American CDs originally came in > will come back into fashion :) > K. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 11:23:54 -0700 From: "Bill Mazur" Subject: RE: Find me has found England I love this British expression "a bit of a lie in" for what we in the States generally say as "sleeping in". I first heard that expression from our friends from Leeds when they were on vacation (or "on holiday") over here in CA. Bill - -----Original Message----- From: owner-ecto@smoe.org [mailto:owner-ecto@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Ellen Rawson Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 2:00 AM To: Ecto Subject: Find me has found England All right, maybe it wasn't with the speed it arrived in other places, but 'Find Me' just flew through my door this morning! (Today is my late start at work; I don't teach until the early afternoon. I then have three classes in a row, but it means that I get to have a bit of a lie in in the morning, and I work from home until around 11 AM or so. It's delightful!) I'm now opening up the package! :) Ellen ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 22:27:22 +0000 From: Greg Blair Subject: Ewww > Worst original song which comes to mind is KaTe's Violin. It just makes me want to climb the walls! Otherwise i'm very fond of the Lionheart album.> Amanda Okay, since you brought it up, there is ONE SONG by KaTe that I just cannot stand: 'The Infant Kiss' from Never For Ever. Yes, I know it's based on a movie, but still, to me it sets the "Ick" factor at maximum. I always say to myself, "what was she THINKING?!" whenever I hear it. It makes me look at KaTe in a different way, and not a very good way. psst: 'Violin' is on Never For Ever, not Lionheart. GB _________________________________________________________________ Help yourself to FREE treats served up daily at the Messenger Cafi. Stop by today. http://www.cafemessenger.com/info/info_sweetstuff2.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_OctWLt agline ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 23:36:57 -0400 From: "Karen Hester" Subject: Re: White Chalk packaging There's an extra track if you download the entire album from iTunes - it's got guitars, man, none of this fussy piano stuff. But yes, undecided, might want to listen on stereo with good headphones someday ... K. On 10/4/07, DanStark <2005.carnivore99@verizon.net> wrote: > cardboard. Anyway the CD didn't cost much more than downloading it > would have, so even without any substantial packaging it was still > worth it for the difference in sound quality. > > Dan ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 19:20:14 -0700 (PDT) From: alan Subject: Re: It Found Me in Portland today On Thu, 4 Oct 2007, Michael Pearce wrote: > No, not C'thulu; the CD. Ripping it to iTunes now. (While the ITMS does not > have the cover art, it does have the track listing already.) > > C'thulu finds Portland this weekend at the H.P. Lovecraft Film Festival. Enya! Enya! Cthulhu fthagan! - -- Never trust a queue structure designed by a cryptographer. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2007 22:47:03 -0400 From: DanStark <2005.carnivore99@verizon.net> Subject: Re: White Chalk packaging Timothy Jones-Yelvington wrote: >Are you certain there isn't a booklet or foldout sheet inside the cardboard >sleeve? No booklet in mine either, just a cardboard sleeve inside another cardboard sleeve. Reminds me of the old LP days when some albums came with nothing but a white paper sleeve inside the cardboard. Anyway the CD didn't cost much more than downloading it would have, so even without any substantial packaging it was still worth it for the difference in sound quality. Dan ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2007 22:25:11 -0700 From: Joseph Zitt Subject: Re: White Chalk packaging Karen Hester wrote: > Has anyone tried amazon's MP3s?. Yup, I bought Sheila Chandra's "Moonsung" and a Bowie EP through them. Nice interface, though still quite buggy. The emails that they send out come up as blank in Thunderbird, though if I View Source I can see HTML data. Some links are to things that aren't actually there, and they have the usual problems with names (I got an email from them about an album that I might like by "Lake and Palmer, Emerson". I like that the MP3s are sucked directly into iTunes. eMusic quickly released a new interface that does that, too, though there are other horriblenesses to it. For the first few days of using it, I didn't realize that the interface had a menu bar, and thus had to kill the application to make it go away. Turns out the menu bar is there: a black background with dark grey lettering. Makes you wonder if they tested the program on more than one monitor. ------------------------------ End of ecto-digest V13 #269 ***************************