From: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org (ecto-digest) To: ecto-digest@smoe.org Subject: ecto-digest V13 #245 Reply-To: ecto@smoe.org Sender: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk ecto-digest Thursday, September 13 2007 Volume 13 : Number 245 To unsubscribe: e-mail ecto-digest-request@smoe.org and put the word unsubscribe in the message body. Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Random ectofest observations [gaseous clay ] Re: Wretches Sing-Along video, and mp3 of show [meredith ] Re: Date formats [andrew fries ] Re: Noe's Summer Storm Journals now on CD Baby [Yngve Hauge ] CDs are winging their way... ["Xenu's Sister" ] Joanna Newsom in Amsterdam [Sander ] Noe video posted and various other ramblings [Andrew McMichael ] Re: Joanna Newsom in Amsterdam ["Sue Trowbridge" ] Re: Joanna Newsom in Amsterdam [Tim Jones-Yelvington ] Dec/Jan would be good ... Re: Ectofest Europe: gauging interest: ["Chris ] RE: One of the people who seem to be confused [Mark B Subject: Re: Random ectofest observations one time at band camp, Xenu's Sister (xenussister@yahoo.com) said: >http://suspended-in-gaffa.com/happy/Ectofest07/wojglowsticks.jpg not being afraid of being a fool is the life lesson that has served me the best through the years. regret nothing! woj ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 16:52:45 -0400 From: meredith Subject: Re: Wretches Sing-Along video, and mp3 of show Hi, Jeffrey Burka wrote: > Gee, I would have thought after all that humiliation you would have > gotten woj to help with your, uh, little issue. I tried, but he was too busy sticking stuff into his ears. ;) - -- =============================================== Meredith Tarr New Haven, CT USA mailto:meth@smoe.org http://www.smoe.org/meth =============================================== hear at the HOMe House Concert Series http://hom.smoe.org =============================================== ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 07:03:08 +1000 From: andrew fries Subject: Re: Date formats andrew fries wrote: > an average person will take a good while to multiply 123*16 in their > heads, and many people are incapable of doing that at all. ... especially those unfortunates who only have one head. Duh! I wish email programs would come with a 'recall' button. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 22:36:57 +0200 From: Yngve Hauge Subject: Re: Noe's Summer Storm Journals now on CD Baby On Wednesday 12 September 2007 22:20:50 Karen Hester wrote: > The Summer Storm Journals - http://cdbaby.com/cd/noevenable4. The > page has a San Francisco Chronicle article. > > Of course, also available on her site - > http://www.noevenable.com/store.php. Paypal, $15 plus $3 shipping. > > The booklet photo of Noe somewhat on the edge of a cliff was taken > following the instructions of a unicorn. She was given a 'What Would > a Unicorn Do?' spinning wheel and it kept on telling her to stand on a > cliff in a storm (have I got that right?) and thus the photo. I didn't think she would be able to top her last album, but I was wrong. - -- Yngve ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 15:37:17 -0700 From: "London, Sherry" Subject: Beth Hart I love Beth Hart. I know she has become mega popular in the Netherlands. I have seen her quite a few times, there is the quiet Beth, whose songs and voice capture you so sweetly and the rocking out Beth who is completely drenched in sweat by the end of her set. She pours her heart out every time she sings. Her first 2 CD were my personal favorites, although I like everything she has done. I don't think she is really ecto, at least as I think of ecto. I think she is more rock/blues. If I had to compare her to one artist, it would Janis Joplin. Beth is an LA girl and we love her here. I am jealous, I would love to go see her with you. She is spending most of her time over there. sherry >>>Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 15:06:05 +0200 From: Sander Subject: Beth Hart? I'm seeing Beth Hart will be in the Netherlands in November. I only know her of LA Song - which, though I like it very much, is way on the poppy side of ecto - but have no idea which direction she's grown in since then. Anyone who does know willing to recommend her, or compare her to anyone else? Cheers, Sander<<< ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 15:44:23 -0700 (PDT) From: "Xenu's Sister" Subject: CDs are winging their way... ...to points near and far across the land. If your name is below, your CDs were mailed yesterday or today. - - Alberto Carrasco - - Birdie - - Carolyn Andre - - David Liebson - - Emily Perkins - - Greg Dunn - - Greg Towne - - Jeff Hanson - - Jeffrey Burka - - John Sandoval - - Jon Wesley Huff - - Karen Parker - - Kate McNally - - Kevin D. F. Highnight - - Michele Wellck - - Neal Copperman - - Paul Jensen - - Peter Clark - - Robert Lovejoy - - Ron Parker - - Tamar Boursalian - - Troy Shadbolt The Dutch folks: - - Sander - - Marion - - Leon - - Niels - - Marcel I'm glad I came to my senses and let people pay, then write me, instead of making them wait until I mailed them. I'm waiting for the next batch of payments now. Vickie ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 01:16:49 +0200 From: Sander Subject: Joanna Newsom in Amsterdam I just returned from an absolutely awesome concert by Joanna Newsom, and need to do some gushing and raving about it, so herewith. Before tonight, I wouldn't have described myself as a Joanna Newsom fan. Sure, I had a copy of The Milk-Eyed Mender, and enjoyed listening to it, but her voice (which is frequently described as childlike) wasn't really something I could imagine wanting to listen to for long lengths of time. Still, when I saw her name there right at the top of Paradiso's agenda for today, with a bold "sold out" note underneath it, it took me less than a second before I was on the dutch equivalent of Craig's List, looking for anyone with a leftover ticket. There was exactly one, and a minute later it was mine. So much for my plans to go and be productive tonight... Opening for Joanna were the Moore Brothers, going on stage nearly as soon as the door had opened, while people were still filing in. I thought this explained the noise from the crowd, but after 10, 15 minutes, it was still going. Not just talking, but loud talking, enough in total to drown out the quieter parts of some of their quieter songs. I can't believe how rude the audience was, and I was fearing greatly they'd behave the same with Joanna. The Moore Brothers weren't really my type of music either, but they _were_ good, doing interesting things and deserving way more than this audience was giving them. Meh. Still, the audience grew completely silent when Joanna and her band took the stage. And then Joanna started playing, and I pretty much forgot everything else. Wow. She played with such... joy, such fervor! She frequently had this big grin on her face, and that was totally infectious, as I kept finding it mirrored on my own face. I'm always very fond of harp players, but the way she attacked the instrument took it all into some other realm. Such gusto! And her band, playing 'drums' (one big drum and two cymbals), banjo/lute and violin were out of this world too, offsetting Joanna's performance, giving her little breathing spaces so that she could come back even stronger, adding accents and punctuation and emphasis. She played several of the insanely long songs from Ys, which I here heard for the first time, but the total experience was such that the songs kept you totally captivated, and they still seemed to end way too swiftly. The audience also mostly redeemed itself in my eyes by the insane level of enthusiasm shown after each song, nearly surging forward with applause; more than I've ever known from a Dutch audience. Yet, despite a standing ovation and endless applause, Joanna only gave us a single, short single song encore. (I am left wondering if this was 'repayment' for the rude behaviour toward the Moore Brothers, who, as she mentioned several times, they loved very much.) Anyway, the hour and a half of music she gave us was everything I could've hoped for, and so much more, so I shan't complain. :) If you even only marginally like her CDs, I urge you to attend a live concert by her if you're ever able to - she's absolutely amazing! Cheers, Sander ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 00:06:31 +0100 From: Andrew McMichael Subject: Noe video posted and various other ramblings Hi everyone, Further to my fevered rant that everyone buys a Noe Venable album NOW, I've posted her entire rendition of 'Ice Dragons' to YouTube (I hope you enjoy it Paul!). Thanks to Henning for incredible photographs that put mine to shame, to the extent they're not really worth posting!! And to Vickie for a top-notch mp3 file, and a more than acceptable Wretches. By the way, what is a wretch and why does it go awry? Is it like a really confused tramp?? Henning has offered me web space that I've still to find time and use - so once I get better definition clips placed there, I'll let you know. YouTube is great, but rather blurry for my liking..but then again I'm a complete noob when it comes to video conversion! I hope you all enjoy anyway. Tim - yes, I noticed mention of Jennifer Terran in the liner notes of Noe's latest album. I'm a fan of hers too, and I think 'Junkdrawer' is one of the finest songs I've heard in the last few years. Oh, and it goes without saying I'll be at any european gathering. It would be rather bizarre if I didn't attend, I suppose! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 16:45:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Jones-Yelvington Subject: Re: Joanna Newsom in Amsterdam I still haven't seen Joanna, which I consider a serious problem. Alongside folks like Regina Spektor and Nellie McKay, I believe she's part of the next generation of challenging, one-of-a-kind idiosyncratic 1st-class female eccentrics who expand the boundaries of pop songcraft while completely polarizing listeners. Because of that voice, most people who hear her either love her or hate her. But she's necessary listening. In my book, "polarizing" is generally a mark of distinction. Tori Amos, Bjork and Ani DiFranco have all been similarly polarizing. ~tim Sander wrote: I just returned from an absolutely awesome concert by Joanna Newsom, and need to do some gushing and raving about it, so herewith. Before tonight, I wouldn't have described myself as a Joanna Newsom fan. Sure, I had a copy of The Milk-Eyed Mender, and enjoyed listening to it, but her voice (which is frequently described as childlike) wasn't really something I could imagine wanting to listen to for long lengths of time. Still, when I saw her name there right at the top of Paradiso's agenda for today, with a bold "sold out" note underneath it, it took me less than a second before I was on the dutch equivalent of Craig's List, looking for anyone with a leftover ticket. There was exactly one, and a minute later it was mine. So much for my plans to go and be productive tonight... Opening for Joanna were the Moore Brothers, going on stage nearly as soon as the door had opened, while people were still filing in. I thought this explained the noise from the crowd, but after 10, 15 minutes, it was still going. Not just talking, but loud talking, enough in total to drown out the quieter parts of some of their quieter songs. I can't believe how rude the audience was, and I was fearing greatly they'd behave the same with Joanna. The Moore Brothers weren't really my type of music either, but they _were_ good, doing interesting things and deserving way more than this audience was giving them. Meh. Still, the audience grew completely silent when Joanna and her band took the stage. And then Joanna started playing, and I pretty much forgot everything else. Wow. She played with such... joy, such fervor! She frequently had this big grin on her face, and that was totally infectious, as I kept finding it mirrored on my own face. I'm always very fond of harp players, but the way she attacked the instrument took it all into some other realm. Such gusto! And her band, playing 'drums' (one big drum and two cymbals), banjo/lute and violin were out of this world too, offsetting Joanna's performance, giving her little breathing spaces so that she could come back even stronger, adding accents and punctuation and emphasis. She played several of the insanely long songs from Ys, which I here heard for the first time, but the total experience was such that the songs kept you totally captivated, and they still seemed to end way too swiftly. The audience also mostly redeemed itself in my eyes by the insane level of enthusiasm shown after each song, nearly surging forward with applause; more than I've ever known from a Dutch audience. Yet, despite a standing ovation and endless applause, Joanna only gave us a single, short single song encore. (I am left wondering if this was 'repayment' for the rude behaviour toward the Moore Brothers, who, as she mentioned several times, they loved very much.) Anyway, the hour and a half of music she gave us was everything I could've hoped for, and so much more, so I shan't complain. :) If you even only marginally like her CDs, I urge you to attend a live concert by her if you're ever able to - she's absolutely amazing! Cheers, Sander ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 17:07:09 -0700 From: Michael Pearce Subject: [none] At 12:53 AM -0400 9/11/07, ecto-digest wrote: >Another (sort of) KaTe sighting, and a definitely bizarro one > >P.S. WRT the CSI promo, I now know that it was "This Woman's Work", >which was what I expected. I >got the info from the "gaffa" LJ community, where I found a rather >interesting comment in that >thread: "I was playing 'Wow' in my bedroom and my little brother >exclaimed excitedly that he knew >that song. It's in his Grand Theft Auto Vice City XBox game on a >radio station whenever you get into a car to drive." > >Um. > >WTF?!? Vice City has one of the best soundtracks ever installed in a video game. It's a complete tour of the music of the '80s. There is a separate soundtrack CD, and if you have the game you can park the car, turn on the radio and play almost everything. Lots of great comedy bits, fake commercials and strange DJ talk as well. Michael ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 16:47:55 -0700 From: "Sue Trowbridge" Subject: Re: Joanna Newsom in Amsterdam On 9/12/07, Sander wrote: > Opening for Joanna were the Moore Brothers, going on stage nearly as > soon as the door had opened, while people were still filing in. I > thought this explained the noise from the crowd, but after 10, 15 > minutes, it was still going. Not just talking, but loud talking, enough > in total to drown out the quieter parts of some of their quieter songs. > I can't believe how rude the audience was, and I was fearing greatly > they'd behave the same with Joanna. The Moore Brothers weren't really my > type of music either, but they _were_ good, doing interesting things and > deserving way more than this audience was giving them. Meh. The Moore Brothers live here in the Bay Area -- I think they're from Oakland -- and I've seen them a few times, opening for various acts. They have wonderful close harmonies, some really great songs and a good sense of humor, too. I'm sorry to hear that the audience didn't give them a chance. - --Sue ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 17:35:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Jones-Yelvington Subject: Re: Joanna Newsom in Amsterdam The same thing happened to "My Brightest Diamond" when I saw them open for Sufjan, and it was super upsetting, as they were half my reason for going.... well, maybe not half. Sufjan by himself would be already be enough of a reason to go... I guess it was more like they upped the necessity of going by an additional 100 percent. Or something. ~tim Sue Trowbridge wrote: On 9/12/07, Sander wrote: > Opening for Joanna were the Moore Brothers, going on stage nearly as > soon as the door had opened, while people were still filing in. I > thought this explained the noise from the crowd, but after 10, 15 > minutes, it was still going. Not just talking, but loud talking, enough > in total to drown out the quieter parts of some of their quieter songs. > I can't believe how rude the audience was, and I was fearing greatly > they'd behave the same with Joanna. The Moore Brothers weren't really my > type of music either, but they _were_ good, doing interesting things and > deserving way more than this audience was giving them. Meh. The Moore Brothers live here in the Bay Area -- I think they're from Oakland -- and I've seen them a few times, opening for various acts. They have wonderful close harmonies, some really great songs and a good sense of humor, too. I'm sorry to hear that the audience didn't give them a chance. - --Sue ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 21:37:19 -0400 From: "Paul Blair" Subject: Re: Random ectofest observations On 9/12/07, meredith wrote: > > Karen observed: > > > * Woj stuck glowsticks in his ears and looked like a genial > > Frankenstein's monster. > > Crikey, I can't leave that boy alone for a *minute*. ;) He also stuck glowsticks behind *my* ears and I have no idea what I looked like. Vickie probably has a picture, though. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 11:36:31 +1000 From: "Chris Boek" Subject: Dec/Jan would be good ... Re: Ectofest Europe: gauging interest: If an ectofest were to be organised in the Netherlands in December/January, I'd be there! My family and I will be there for a couple of months from around 26 Nov to 20 Jan. It would be a fabulous thing indeed, were it to be possible! Chris. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 21:51:55 -0400 From: Mark B Subject: RE: One of the people who seem to be confused Mark B wrote: > Vickie, > I was one of the people that bought Happys fan/first> draft CD of the newest release a long time ago. I believe it was explained that in purchasing> the rough mix I would be sent a finished version when it was completed.Vickie wrote: You never got told that. It was always made perfectly clear that the Sampler was its own purchase,and that the money you paid for a Sampler would NOT have anything to do with buying the actualalbum when it came out. If this was misunderstood by you, that's your problem. I don't mean to beharsh, but I *KNOW* what people were told, and we will not be manipulated into providing free CDsto anyone who bought the Find Me Sampler. If you want the full CD release of Find Me, you have tobuy one. If you're happy with the Sampler, then by all means, keep that and enjoy it. If I sound severe, it's because I'm not going to stand for people trying to goad Happy or myselfinto giving away CDs by claiming they weren't told something or were told something they weren'tor just that they were misled. > How do I go about making sure I receive a copy now that it is finished? Buy it when it is available via CD Baby. Vickie I am sorry but you do sound severe and I don't appreciate being chastised like this. If I didn't think I was entitled to a CD I wouldn't have written this email. As you mentioned I wasn't the only one who thought they were entitled I guess I felt that at least I am not alone. If someone wrote me back very nicely and indicated that perhaps I had misunderstood the original email I would have been fine with that. What I do not understand is being told that you are "not going to stand for people trying to goad Happy or myselfinto giving away CDs by claiming they weren't told something or were told something they weren'tor just that they were misled". If I was misled perhaps an apology was in order. You also didn't include the intro to my message where I indicate not knowing whether I should contact you or Happy with this question. I was in contact with Happy originally and she was responsible for helping me purchase the sampler. I read your message in which you mention not being paid by Happy. I am sure she appreciates you helping her as well as I do as a fan of her music. I just wanted you to know that it was not made "perfectly clear that the Sampler was its own purchase" or I would not have sent an email to you. Sincerely, Mark Bianchino _________________________________________________________________ Kick back and relax with hot games and cool activities at the Messenger Cafi. http://www.cafemessenger.com?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_SeptWLtagline ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 19:37:09 -0700 (PDT) From: "Xenu's Sister" Subject: RE: One of the people who seem to be confused - --- Mark B wrote: > Mark B wrote: > Vickie, > I was one of the people that > bought Happys fan/first> draft CD of the newest release a long time ago. I > believe it was explained that in purchasing> the rough mix I would be sent a > finished version when it was completed. Mark, your original letter to me, and my answer to you, were private. They did not go to ecto. I mentioned something about the situation in ecto, but I did not quote you or name you. I may owe you an apology for letting my bad mood get the better of me and I do think I was way too harsh with you. I am sorry. But you owe me an apology for passing along private email to a public mailing list. What set me off is someone else, not recently, who insisted they be should be sent a Find Me when it came out. They used as justification to do something I thought was pretty nasty their contention that the Sampler was a "rip off" even though they begged me to get one for them (I even got them an autograph but stopped short of insisting that Happy put a lipstick kiss on the cover which is also something they wanted). Mr. Entitlement and I got into a really bad private flame war. If I projected my ire toward that bad memory on you, it was wrong, and I'm sorry, and would ask for forgiveness. You still can't have a free Find Me though. I'm sorry, but it was a misunderstanding. When I barked at you, I didn't realize that you got the Sampler from Happy, and not me. I know what I told people, and I was pretty sure that I made it clear that the Sampler was its own release. Maybe not from the first people who ordered, but certainly later. I had a standard "form letter" that I sent out that stated that if people wanted the album Find Me, they would have to buy it again when it was released. If you got the Sampler from Happy though, it would seem that Happy wasn't clear with you, but I would hope that you would cut her some slack. If it wasn't made clear in ecto though, I guess that's my fault and again, I apologise. I should have counted to 10 before I answered your letter, and tried to work out with you what had happened. Harshness was not called for, you're right. Vickie ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 22:04:56 -0500 From: Timothy Jones-Yelvington Subject: Re: One of the people who seem to be confused I don't want to stoke more drama... But I also think it's important to mention that Vickie's ire was driven by a genuine concern for Happy's welfare. Unfortunately, she really can't afford not to make money on her work. I think Vickie's statements, whether productively or unproductively worded, should be understood first and foremost as an attempt to protect Happy and not as a personal attack. ~tim On 9/12/07 9:37 PM, "Xenu's Sister" wrote: > --- Mark B wrote: > >> Mark B wrote: > Vickie, > I was one of the people >> that >> bought Happys fan/first> draft CD of the newest release a long time ago. I >> believe it was explained that in purchasing> the rough mix I would be sent a >> finished version when it was completed. > > Mark, your original letter to me, and my answer to you, were private. > They did not go to ecto. I mentioned something about the situation > in ecto, but I did not quote you or name you. I may owe you an > apology for letting my bad mood get the better of me and I do > think I was way too harsh with you. I am sorry. But you owe me > an apology for passing along private email to a public mailing > list. > > What set me off is someone else, not recently, who insisted they be > should be sent a Find Me when it came out. They used as justification > to do something I thought was pretty nasty their contention that the > Sampler was a "rip off" even though they begged me to get one for > them (I even got them an autograph but stopped short of insisting > that Happy put a lipstick kiss on the cover which is also something > they wanted). Mr. Entitlement and I got into a really bad private > flame war. If I projected my ire toward that bad memory on you, > it was wrong, and I'm sorry, and would ask for forgiveness. > > You still can't have a free Find Me though. I'm sorry, but it was a > misunderstanding. When I barked at you, I didn't realize that you > got the Sampler from Happy, and not me. I know what I told people, > and I was pretty sure that I made it clear that the Sampler was its > own release. Maybe not from the first people who ordered, but certainly > later. I had a standard "form letter" that I sent out that stated > that if people wanted the album Find Me, they would have to buy it > again when it was released. > > If you got the Sampler from Happy though, it would seem that Happy > wasn't clear with you, but I would hope that you would cut her some > slack. If it wasn't made clear in ecto though, I guess that's my fault > and again, I apologise. > > I should have counted to 10 before I answered your letter, and tried > to work out with you what had happened. Harshness was not called for, > you're right. > > Vickie ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 23:08:44 -0400 From: "F.J.Fornorn" Subject: Re: One of the people who seem to be confused Just to second this (as if it needed to be seconded): you deserve a severe lashing for posting private email to ecto (or any other group) without the permission of the author. That is reprehensible. If it were my group, you'd be blacklisted. No further discussion warranted or tolerated. And as far as the notion that the Find Me sampler entitled anyone to a free copy of the final Find Me, how many times have you bought an EP by an artist, then found a full album release a few months later that included most if not all of the EP tunes? It's happened a lot to me. Do I expect the artist to give me a discount or refund? No. Why do you think this is any different? It's crap like this that's going to convince artists like Happy to NOT bother offering pre-release or demo material ever again. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 00:06:44 -0400 From: breinheimer@webtv.net (bill) Subject: Re: prog or prog Put me down firmly in the frog camp. Remember, boys and girls, that adding on or subtracting from a word, can change the pronounciation of the rest of the word. Very relevant case in point, progressive and progress. Prog, a slang term, should stand on it's own right and be pronounced as it looks, imho. np : Christmas - Ultraprophets of thee psykick revolution. hard to believe that these folk morphed into Combustible Edison ps (sort of) r.i.p. joe zawinul- not ecto but we've lost a great one here. ------------------------------ End of ecto-digest V13 #245 ***************************