From: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org (ecto-digest) To: ecto-digest@smoe.org Subject: ecto-digest V13 #244 Reply-To: ecto@smoe.org Sender: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk ecto-digest Wednesday, September 12 2007 Volume 13 : Number 244 To unsubscribe: e-mail ecto-digest-request@smoe.org and put the word unsubscribe in the message body. Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Date formats [andrew fries ] Re: prog or prog? ["Ken Blake" ] Re: Date formats [Ellen Rawson ] Re: Date formats ["Henning Rech" ] Re: A European Ectofest? Re: Ectofest [Marion.Kippers@zonnet.nl] Re: A European Ectofest? Re: Ectofest [Sander ] Ectofest Europe: gauging interest [Sander ] Re: A European Ectofest? Re: Ectofest [Sander ] Re: Ectofest Europe: gauging interest [Valerie Nozick ] Re: IF YOU WROTE ME ABOUT A FIND ME CD (follow up) [Troy J Shadbolt ] Re: Random ectofest observations ["Jeffrey Burka" ] Re: prog or prog? [Daniel ] Re: Random ectofest observations [Timothy Jones-Yelvington ] Re: Ectofest Europe: gauging interest [Timothy Jones-Yelvington ] Re: Ectofest Europe: gauging interest [meredith ] Online Used Vendors - an recommendations? [Timothy Jones-Yelvington ] Re: Ectofest Europe: gauging interest [Yngve Hauge ] Re: Ectofest Europe: gauging interest [Timothy Jones-Yelvington ] Re: Ectofest Europe: gauging interest [meredith ] Anne Marie Almedal (was Re: Ectofest Europe: gauging interest) [gordodo@o] Re: Ectofest Europe: gauging interest [Tim Jones-Yelvington ] Re: Ectofest Europe: gauging interest [Rolf Peukert ] Re: Wretches Sing-Along video, and mp3 of show ["Jeffrey Burka" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 16:52:52 +1000 From: andrew fries Subject: Re: Date formats Henning Rech wrote: > If some islanders West of the coastline of Europe want to keep their > middle-age measures, we are tolerant against such minorities :-) Exactly. If they *want* to be in the company of Liberia and Myanmar ... It takes time, but I think this change is inevitable, at least in the UK. Australia officially adopted the metric system in 1968, but our pubs still sell beer by a glass called SCHOONER (which is actually equal to 425ml). To make matters even more confusing, this is true mainly for New South Wales - other states use other measures. But on the whole, our metric system is fairly well entrenched by now, almost 40 years after the change-over. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 17:37:48 -0500 From: "Ken Blake" Subject: Re: prog or prog? On 9/11/07, andrew fries wrote: > Greg Blair wrote: > > I had a conversation with Kerry White a couple of weeks ago wherein he said > > that the word 'prog', which I pronounce to rhyme with 'frog', should be > > pronounced to rhyme with 'vogue'. He said that when you say the word > > 'progressive' that the 'o' is long, so it should be said the same way when you > > use the abbreviation. So, my question for ectos and other prog rock > > enthusiasts is, how do YOU pronounce 'prog'? > > I have never heard the word 'progressive' pronounced with a long 'o'. Or > maybe I just didn't recognise it :) > > http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/progressive > > So yes, 'prog' as in 'program'. According to that link the pronunciation of progressive is: pr&-'gre-siv where & is pronounced as a and u in abut. If you think it should be pronounced as the first syllable of progressive, then it should rhyme with rug. This is of course American English, the Brits use a long o. I would expect pronouncing it as prug would definitely get you some odd stares. In software where we often truncate words, the rule I've heard is an abbreviation should be pronounced as its own word not a truncation of the full word. For example, in C, character is truncated to char and is pronounced as /char/broil not care. My pronunciation is in keeping with this rule, so I also rhyme it with frog. Ken ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 00:16:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Ellen Rawson Subject: Re: Date formats - --- Henning Rech wrote: > > > PS: UK and Ireland together are just 60 out of 495 > million inhabitants of > the European Community, and do not or not fully take > part in major European > projects like the Schengen treaty and the EURO > currency. No, Ireland is on the Euro. Okay, Northern Ireland isn't, but it's part of the UK. :) Ireland still has pints of beer, but all road signs are in kilometers now. I remember when it was kind of schizophrenic there, with signs stating miles per hour, but the distance signs (as in Dublin is this far away) were in kilometers. Ellen, in backwards Britain. PS I do remember, when I was 12, being taught the metric system because the US was going to switch to it very, very soon, and we'd need to be able to help our parents... Yeah, right. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 13:15:44 +0200 From: "Henning Rech" Subject: Re: Date formats I apologize, Ellen, you are completely right. You see, it is not always easy to memorize who participates where, even for an European :-) Henning PS: perhaps it helps to accomodate to the metric system if you know that it was an outflow from the French Revolution in 1789, and so is somehow connected to the Declaration of Human Rights? - But, I have to admit, a year with 12 months, each subdivided into 3 decades a 10 days, having 10 hours a 100 minutes a 100 seconds, would have been too much for me too. I wish you a nice 26th Fructidor CCXV. - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ellen Rawson" To: Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2007 9:16 AM Subject: Re: Date formats > --- Henning Rech wrote: > > > > > > > PS: UK and Ireland together are just 60 out of 495 > > million inhabitants of > > the European Community, and do not or not fully take > > part in major European > > projects like the Schengen treaty and the EURO > > currency. > > No, Ireland is on the Euro. Okay, Northern Ireland > isn't, but it's part of the UK. :) > > Ireland still has pints of beer, but all road signs > are in kilometers now. I remember when it was kind of > schizophrenic there, with signs stating miles per > hour, but the distance signs (as in Dublin is this far > away) were in kilometers. > > Ellen, in backwards Britain. > > PS I do remember, when I was 12, being taught the > metric system because the US was going to switch to it > very, very soon, and we'd need to be able to help our > parents... Yeah, right. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 13:33:58 +0200 From: Marion.Kippers@zonnet.nl Subject: Re: A European Ectofest? Re: Ectofest Hi, Marcel wrote: > Great to read your reports etc. on Ectofest. > Now I can only hope there will be an Ectofest Europe someday... > (Hey, I can dream, can't I?) I totally agree. And then Sander came up with the idea... > Maybe get someone like Jos Boom interested... Can you imagine, Happy in > the Statenzaal? Vickie was surprised at the lacking 'show of hands', but hey, I usually only check my Ecto mail once a day or less... And after reading this I just had to check and double check again. :-) Happy in the Satenzaal would be sooo good. > Who is Jos Boom? What is the Statenzaal? Jos van den Boom works for a Dutch local radio station (www.crossroadsradio.nl), and he organises small scale concerts on a regular basis that are broadcasted in his show and on his website. Mostly (alt.)country, blues and folk, but he's had sessions with Dar Williams, Sarah Harmer, Vienna Teng and Oh Susanna to name just a few examples. The Statenzaal in Dordrecht is a beautiful historical building with a very nice concert room (there is a small room upstairs for about 40 people, the large room downstairs holds up to 100 I think). It would be great if we could get Jos (or somebody else) to organize a concert with Happy in the Netherlands. And Ron and I would certainly be there. Best regards, Marion n.p. Happy Rhodes - Find Me sampler (in anticipation of the real album) n.r. Brandon Sanderson - Elantris - -- Marion Kippers Marion.Kippers@zonnet.nl ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 14:32:36 +0200 From: Sander Subject: Re: A European Ectofest? Re: Ectofest Xenu's Sister wrote: >> Maybe get someone like Jos Boom interested... Can you imagine, Happy in >> the Statenzaal? > > Who is Jos Boom? What is the Statenzaal? Jos van den Boom (better get that name right) is a local radio show producer, who frequently organizes concerts by artists which sometimes have an acto-ish bend to them. Vienna Teng, Dar Williams and Oh Susanna are the names I can think of offhand. He promotes the shows quite heavily, which makes a lot of people show up who'd otherwise never have learned about the artists. And these shows are (usually) held in the Statenzaal, which is a lovely historic room in a building which used to be a cloister, but which since the middle ages has been used to organize meetings of various kinds (lately focusing on cultural events), and also incidentally is the location where the Dutch nation was first formed. It has quite a bit of seating capacity (~120 in the small room, I think, wildly guessing? and the actual Statenzaal upstairs is larger), and just the entire atmosphere is something I think would suit Happy perfectly. (At least, it was the very first location I thought of; the small room at the Patronaat would be even nicer, but that fills up very swiftly, and I haven't got the faintest clue of who I should start talking to there to organize things. I have exactly zero experience with ever doing anything like this, so I'd need to hook up with someone who does.) > Where does Fabchannel webcast from? Isn't it the Paradiso in Amsterdam? > Get her there so it can not only be webcast it'll be available in their > archives forever and ever! I have never been to Paradiso - although looking at their website just now, I see Joanne Newsom is playing there tonight; sold out, but I managed to track down a ticket anyway *g* (thanks for making me look, Vickie!) :) - but my experiences with Amsterdam venues aren't all that great. At the Melkweg (the other venue from which fabchannel webcasts) half the people there for a Bic Runga concert had just wandered in because of the stature of the venue (and the alternative that evening being metal rock); and so ended up guzzling beer and talking through the entire show, despite the frequent SHHHHHHH-ing from the rest of the people. And it wouldn't surprise me in the least if Paradiso has the same. But who knows, maybe after tonight I'll be more positive thinking there. :) >> *ponders* Can I get a show of hands of who'd be seriously considering >> coming from where for something like this? Given enough interested >> parties, I might just be crazy enough to pursue this idea... > > Then again, the show of hands seems to be lacking. Post again, this time > using "Would you come to a European Ectofest?" or something like that, to > distinguish it from all the other ectofest posts. (I changed the Subject > line, but you don't have to keep it). Yeah, good idea; I'll do a new toplevel post since those with threading would have this deep in the thread. Cheers, Sander ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 14:49:05 +0200 From: Sander Subject: Ectofest Europe: gauging interest Bringing this to a top-level thread to hopefully get more people to see it. This started when Marcel lamented that he could only dream of a European ectofest someday, Robert told him to maybe do more than dream, and I took up that idea. That's all there is so far. I have no concrete plans, and no experience organizing anything even remotely like this, ever. I do however have a history of making wild plans and then following up on them, so in the hopes of this being one of them: IF an ectofest in the vein of the just-finished one was organized here in the Netherlands, featuring Happy and one or two other (European?) ecto artists (suggestions welcome), would you: * be likely to attend? (Say, with an 80% certainty? I understand things can always come up, and timing can always not work out and this is way, way too early to ask for any kind of guarantee - but I do expect that if this would actually happen, 80% of the people answering yes would actually manage to be there.) * and be coming from where? Cheers, Sander ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 14:51:50 +0200 From: Sander Subject: Re: A European Ectofest? Re: Ectofest Sander wrote: > It has quite a bit of seating capacity (~120 in the small room, I think, > wildly guessing? and the actual Statenzaal upstairs is larger) Oh, smaller, apparently (hat-tip to Marion). I've only been there once, sadly, and it seemed larger in my memory. :) Sander ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 06:05:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Valerie Nozick Subject: Re: Ectofest Europe: gauging interest I would come out of hiding and fly out from the US. - ----- Original Message ---- From: Sander To: Ecto Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2007 8:49:05 AM Subject: Ectofest Europe: gauging interest Bringing this to a top-level thread to hopefully get more people to see it. This started when Marcel lamented that he could only dream of a European ectofest someday, Robert told him to maybe do more than dream, and I took up that idea. That's all there is so far. I have no concrete plans, and no experience organizing anything even remotely like this, ever. I do however have a history of making wild plans and then following up on them, so in the hopes of this being one of them: IF an ectofest in the vein of the just-finished one was organized here in the Netherlands, featuring Happy and one or two other (European?) ecto artists (suggestions welcome), would you: * be likely to attend? (Say, with an 80% certainty? I understand things can always come up, and timing can always not work out and this is way, way too early to ask for any kind of guarantee - but I do expect that if this would actually happen, 80% of the people answering yes would actually manage to be there.) * and be coming from where? Cheers, Sander ____________________________________________________________________________________ Need a vacation? Get great deals to amazing places on Yahoo! Travel. http://travel.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 08:55:26 -0400 From: "Jeffrey Burka" Subject: Re: Ectofest Europe: gauging interest sander asks: > IF an ectofest in the vein of the just-finished one was organized here > in the Netherlands, featuring Happy and one or two other (European?) > ecto artists (suggestions welcome), would you: > * be likely to attend? > (Say, with an 80% certainty? I understand things can always come up, and > timing can always not work out and this is way, way too early to ask for > any kind of guarantee - but I do expect that if this would actually > happen, 80% of the people answering yes would actually manage to be there.) > * and be coming from where? I'd do my best to come from DC...though timing is everything! jeff n.p. _To the Bone_, Terami Hirsch (now that was a great lineup...Terami, Happy, and Emm Gryner for the RAINN benefit in Bryn Mawr a few years back...that's the only time I've gotten to see Happy play with Bob!) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 15:06:05 +0200 From: Sander Subject: Beth Hart? I'm seeing Beth Hart will be in the Netherlands in November. I only know her of LA Song - which, though I like it very much, is way on the poppy side of ecto - but have no idea which direction she's grown in since then. Anyone who does know willing to recommend her, or compare her to anyone else? Cheers, Sander ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 06:28:36 -0700 From: Troy J Shadbolt Subject: Re: IF YOU WROTE ME ABOUT A FIND ME CD (follow up) if you are going to pay via PayPal and you want to make sure Happy actually gets the $18.00, you should make your payment $18.90 because PayPal charges people for receiving money (it's 30 cents per transaction + a 2.9% discount fee). So $18.90 will actually "net" $18.00. now returning you to your regularly scheduled program... - -t On Sep 11, 2007, at 7:32 PM, Xenu's Sister wrote:If you want to pay Happy via PayPal for your CD... > > Send $18.00 via PayPal to (and look closely and put it all together) > > cptbryant > @ > aol > . > com > > THEN... > > When you've paid, email me a copy of the receipt. And your address. In > fact, > put your address on the PayPal notes too if you remember. The quicker > I can > tell Happy, "_____ has paid, check your PayPal" the quicker I can get > these > out to you. - --- troy j shadbolt www.voyuz.net ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 10:09:32 -0400 From: "Karen Hester" Subject: Random ectofest observations * Happy was chewing something? Does she do that to keep her mouth from drying out? Like Tori and her piece of ginger. * Short songs are good because you get lots of them. * Happy's early songs work fine sung by a grown woman. I'm so glad she's not uncomfortable with them (though she noted she didn't share the depressed sentiments of one song). * I expected the Lovehounds to be shuffling zombies groaning "Kaaattttteeee Kaaaatteee", but they seemed quite human and listen to other music too. Blimey. * Woj stuck glowsticks in his ears and looked like a genial Frankenstein's monster. * I didn't get hot in the Lily Pad. Maybe it was cooler standing against the wall (near a fan) than sitting in the midst of bodies. Or maybe you're all wusses. K. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 10:22:29 -0400 From: "Jeffrey Burka" Subject: Re: Random ectofest observations On 9/12/07, Karen Hester wrote: > * Happy was chewing something? Does she do that to keep her mouth > from drying out? Like Tori and her piece of ginger. Every time I've seen Happy perform, she's been chewing what appears to be a piece of gum. jeff n.p. _Strange Angels_, Kristen Hersh ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 07:31:52 -0700 (GMT-07:00) From: Daniel Subject: Re: prog or prog? Ken Blake wrote: >According to that link the pronunciation of progressive is: pr&-'gre-siv >where & is pronounced as a and u in abut. Isn't that the Canadian spelling of 'about'? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 09:38:00 -0500 From: Timothy Jones-Yelvington Subject: Re: Random ectofest observations On 9/12/07 9:09 AM, "Karen Hester" wrote: > > * I didn't get hot in the Lily Pad. Maybe it was cooler standing > against the wall (near a fan) than sitting in the midst of bodies. Or > maybe you're all wusses. > > K. No, I didn't get hot either. I think they're all wusses. But then I managed to get a seat right next to the fan.... Which I tried multiple times to give up. ~tim ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 07:33:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Ellen Rawson Subject: Re: Ectofest Europe: gauging interest I'd be interested, and I'm in southern England. However, for me to attend it would be better if it were around my school holidays or at least on a weekend. For a Saturday show, I'd need to fly out after work on Friday afternoon and then return home in time for work on Monday. School holidays, obviously, are better. :) Ellen ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 09:36:18 -0500 From: Timothy Jones-Yelvington Subject: Re: Ectofest Europe: gauging interest I'd try to come out if at all possible. If I haven't already fled there to escape privatized healthcare. And think about some of the people you could try to get!!! Frida Hyvonen Reba Hasko The Tiny Ane Brun Anna Ternheim An Pierle And more!!!!! On 9/12/07 8:05 AM, "Valerie Nozick" wrote: > I would come out of hiding and fly out from the US. > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Sander > To: Ecto > Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2007 8:49:05 AM > Subject: Ectofest Europe: gauging interest > > Bringing this to a top-level thread to hopefully get more people to see it. > > This started when Marcel lamented that he could only dream of a European > ectofest someday, Robert told him to maybe do more than dream, and I > took up that idea. > > That's all there is so far. I have no concrete plans, and no experience > organizing anything even remotely like this, ever. I do however have a > history of making wild plans and then following up on them, so in the > hopes of this being one of them: > > IF an ectofest in the vein of the just-finished one was organized here > in the Netherlands, featuring Happy and one or two other (European?) > ecto artists (suggestions welcome), would you: > * be likely to attend? > (Say, with an 80% certainty? I understand things can always come up, and > timing can always not work out and this is way, way too early to ask for > any kind of guarantee - but I do expect that if this would actually > happen, 80% of the people answering yes would actually manage to be there.) > * and be coming from where? > > Cheers, > Sander > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________________ > ______ > Need a vacation? Get great deals > to amazing places on Yahoo! Travel. > http://travel.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 11:17:05 -0400 From: meredith Subject: Re: Random ectofest observations Hi, Karen observed: > * Woj stuck glowsticks in his ears and looked like a genial > Frankenstein's monster. Crikey, I can't leave that boy alone for a *minute*. ;) - -- =============================================== Meredith Tarr New Haven, CT USA mailto:meth@smoe.org http://www.smoe.org/meth =============================================== hear at the HOMe House Concert Series http://hom.smoe.org =============================================== ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 11:21:06 -0400 From: meredith Subject: Re: Ectofest Europe: gauging interest Hi, Timothy Jones-Yelvington wrote: > Reba Hasko ... who is also a fan of Happy's, since Noe dragged her from California to our house to see Happy play. :) Reba's music is wonderful and everyond should check it out. - -- =============================================== Meredith Tarr New Haven, CT USA mailto:meth@smoe.org http://www.smoe.org/meth =============================================== hear at the HOMe House Concert Series http://hom.smoe.org =============================================== ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 10:27:26 -0500 From: Timothy Jones-Yelvington Subject: Online Used Vendors - an recommendations? I've been trying to get my hands on some Pepper McGowan albums, which seem to no longer be available new (maybe she has some in her basement if I could track down her address, but there are none at Cdbaby and she has no active website). Can't find any used at amazon or ebay... Does anyone have any recommendations for other places to look? (I finally got myself a copy of Sandra Lockwood's "Shell" recently, so I feel like I'm on a roll). ~tim ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 16:59:55 +0200 From: Yngve Hauge Subject: Re: Ectofest Europe: gauging interest On Wednesday 12 September 2007 14:49:05 Sander wrote: > Bringing this to a top-level thread to hopefully get more people to see it. > > This started when Marcel lamented that he could only dream of a European > ectofest someday, Robert told him to maybe do more than dream, and I > took up that idea. > > That's all there is so far. I have no concrete plans, and no experience > organizing anything even remotely like this, ever. I do however have a > history of making wild plans and then following up on them, so in the > hopes of this being one of them: > > IF an ectofest in the vein of the just-finished one was organized here > in the Netherlands, featuring Happy and one or two other (European?) > ecto artists (suggestions welcome), would you: > * be likely to attend? > (Say, with an 80% certainty? I understand things can always come up, and > timing can always not work out and this is way, way too early to ask for > any kind of guarantee - but I do expect that if this would actually > happen, 80% of the people answering yes would actually manage to be there.) > * and be coming from where? > I recon there would be quite a number of people from Norway including myself traveling downwards. I know of at least 3 people not on Ecto who would drop everything for such an event. - -- Yngve ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 17:12:01 +0200 From: Yngve Hauge Subject: Re: Ectofest Europe: gauging interest On Wednesday 12 September 2007 16:36:18 Timothy Jones-Yelvington wrote: > I'd try to come out if at all possible. > > If I haven't already fled there to escape privatized healthcare. > > And think about some of the people you could try to get!!! > > Frida Hyvonen > Reba Hasko > The Tiny > Ane Brun I'll ask her the next time I see her, and then drop a Happy CD on her as well. Her family lives here in town, so she comes back here quite often. Her friend, artist and producer Katherina Nuttall would easily make it a double act. Another artist worth thinking about is Unni Wilhelmsen - she is very fun and interesting live. Did see her earlier this year and had an amazing time. And then there is Anne Marie Almedal who just released her first soloalbum (She did one a time ago together with some other people). For those wondering who she is then she is the singer of Velvet Belly. She did her musical studies in The Netherlands as well, so wouldn't be that hard to get her to come down there. - -- Yngve ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 11:06:27 -0500 From: Timothy Jones-Yelvington Subject: Re: Ectofest Europe: gauging interest Noe really seems like a community-builder and connector between fantastic female artists. And I felt like I heard her saying that it was a completely deliberate part of her creative process, looking for models, seeking out forebears and the like, and collaborating with people.... Her thank yous for Summer Storm Journals reads like a who's who of the "beautiful and complex music" (Noe's language @ Ectofest) scene... Emily Bezar, Jennifer Terran, Ani DiFranco, Greta Gertler... When I heard her say she's also friends with Reba Hasko (I was not aware), I flipped out a little bit. Anyway-- I'm really impressed by this tendency in her. I think these kind of networks and collective mobilizations are necessary to create alternatives to the music biz that will allow our favorite women to make art on their own terms. ~tim On 9/12/07 10:21 AM, "meredith" wrote: > Hi, > > Timothy Jones-Yelvington wrote: >> Reba Hasko > > ... who is also a fan of Happy's, since Noe dragged her from California to our > house to see Happy > play. :) Reba's music is wonderful and everyond should check it out. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 09:07:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Ellen Rawson Subject: Re: A European Ectofest? Re: Ectofest - --- Marion.Kippers@zonnet.nl wrote: > Jos van den Boom works for a Dutch local radio > station > (www.crossroadsradio.nl), and he organises small > scale concerts on a > regular basis that are broadcasted in his show and > on his website. And here in England, there's Bob Paterson. http://www.bobpatersonagency.com/ Ellen ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 12:38:24 -0400 From: meredith Subject: Re: Ectofest Europe: gauging interest Hi, Timothy Jones-Yelvington wrote: > Anyway-- I'm really impressed by this tendency in her. I think these kind of > networks and collective mobilizations are necessary to create alternatives > to the music biz that will allow our favorite women to make art on their own > terms. Hear, hear. And it does happen. This is precisely why there are organizations out there like Indiegrrl and GoGirls ... to help women succeed in the independent music industry and, yes, make art on their own terms. The music that members of those organizations make may not be for everyone, but hey, at least it's getting out there. This is one reason why I love working at MPress Records so much ... our "New Arrivals" compilations don't purposefully favor one gender over the other, but I consider it happy chance that they've ended up featuring more women than men. It was also chance that this year's inaugural "New Arrivals" tour showcased mostly women, we didn't set out for it to be that way but it's just how the booking shook itself out. (This is also why I *really* wish Tori Amos would put her money where her mouth is and insist that women open for her, instead of the exact opposite ... but that's a rant for another day.) I understand why Sarah McLachlan chose to end Lilith Fair after only three years ... but I think she was counting on someone else stepping in and starting something else to keep the spirit going, and that never happened. It's past time for something like that to rise again. Cyndi Lauper came close with her "True Colors" tour this summer, but that had a whole 'nother reason for being and so didn't quite fit the bill. I certainly don't have any delusions of grandeur, but I think as a group we could turn this ectofest thing into something great ... let's not lose this energy. I know from experience that the heady days following a successful event stir up all sorts of grandiose plans for the future, then Life intervenes and time flies by and all of a sudden all those plans and dreams have gone so far by the wayside that it's impossible to pick them up again. (Did I want an "ectofest 2002"? Hells, yeah ... but burnout is its own reward. :P) There is enough collective knowledge and will on this list to make it happen. - -- =============================================== Meredith Tarr New Haven, CT USA mailto:meth@smoe.org http://www.smoe.org/meth =============================================== hear at the HOMe House Concert Series http://hom.smoe.org =============================================== ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 18:08:10 +0000 (GMT) From: gordodo@optonline.net Subject: Anne Marie Almedal (was Re: Ectofest Europe: gauging interest) Any idea where to find her new solo album for online ordering? I liked her albums with AM and the UV and was hoping she was working on something new :) - -jason np Kari Rueslatten - Pilot - ----- Original Message ----- From: Yngve Hauge Date: Wednesday, September 12, 2007 12:13 pm Subject: Re: Ectofest Europe: gauging interest To: ecto@smoe.org > On Wednesday 12 September 2007 16:36:18 Timothy Jones-Yelvington > wrote:> I'd try to come out if at all possible. > > > > If I haven't already fled there to escape privatized healthcare. > > > > And think about some of the people you could try to get!!! > > > > Frida Hyvonen > > Reba Hasko > > The Tiny > > Ane Brun > > I'll ask her the next time I see her, and then drop a Happy CD > on her as well. > Her family lives here in town, so she comes back here quite > often. Her > friend, artist and producer Katherina Nuttall would easily make > it a double > act. > > Another artist worth thinking about is Unni Wilhelmsen - she is > very fun and > interesting live. Did see her earlier this year and had an > amazing time. > > And then there is Anne Marie Almedal who just released her first > soloalbum > (She did one a time ago together with some other people). For > those wondering > who she is then she is the singer of Velvet Belly. She did her > musical > studies in The Netherlands as well, so wouldn't be that hard to > get her to > come down there. > > -- Yngve ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 11:36:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Jones-Yelvington Subject: Re: Ectofest Europe: gauging interest meredith wrote:"This is one reason why I love working at MPress Records so much ... our "New Arrivals" compilations don't purposefully favor one gender over the other, but I consider it happy chance that they've ended up featuring more women than men. It was also chance that this year's inaugural "New Arrivals" tour showcased mostly women, we didn't set out for it to be that way but it's just how the booking shook itself out." It's kind of amazing to me that Rachael Sage, like Ani, has had the energy and the impulse to be an artist, activist and business person simultaneously. Very admirable. "(This is also why I *really* wish Tori Amos would put her money where her mouth is and insist that women open for her, instead of the exact opposite ... but that's a rant for another day.)" Tori, for all her (very admirably vocal) feminism, has got some weird ambivalent relationship to other women that I'd be really interested to get inside of. My Toriphile friend Beth has this interesting theory that she created the Doll Posse to be the group of female friends she's always lacked. "I understand why Sarah McLachlan chose to end Lilith Fair after only three years ... but I think she was counting on someone else stepping in and starting something else to keep the spirit going, and that never happened." And the anti-Lilith backlash in rock criticism is just appalling and ugly. "Cyndi Lauper came close with her "True Colors" tour this summer, but that had a whole 'nother reason for being and so didn't quite fit the bill." Plus it raised money for HRC, the ultimate in White middle-class gay male assimilationist narrow identity politics. I love that Cyndi is so vocally pro-Queer, but wish she could be a bit more radical about it. At least give the money to the Task Force. "I certainly don't have any delusions of grandeur, but I think as a group we could turn this ectofest thing into something great ... let's not lose this energy...There is enough collective knowledge and will on this list to make it happen." I agree completely. I also believe we should think about bringing the notion of "coalition" from activism and community organizing into our Fest planning. What other, non-Ecto communities are we a part of that we can bring into the fold? Either to partner with, or market to, or just to consider when choosing locations and lineups? What interesting combinations of people could come together to create something new? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 20:48:51 +0200 From: Yngve Hauge Subject: Re: Anne Marie Almedal (was Re: Ectofest Europe: gauging interest) On Wednesday 12 September 2007 20:08:10 gordodo@optonline.net wrote: > Any idea where to find her new solo album for online ordering? I liked her > albums with AM and the UV and was hoping she was working on something new > :) > I'll look into it ... > -jason > > np Kari Rueslatten - Pilot > Kari Ruesletten is amazing live !!! *kicks himself for not remembering earlier* - -- Yngve ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 14:24:48 -0400 From: meredith Subject: Re: Wretches Sing-Along video, and mp3 of show Hi, Xenu's Sister wrote: > Here's the video to the Wretches Sing-Along: I finally had a chance to watch this. Good to know Happy's still a total FREAK. ;) I suppose I should apologize to everyone in attendance, as obviously since I wasn't there to torture she decided to pick on everybody else at once. (And lest you think me suffering from a slight ego issue with that statement, ask anyone who was at the first two ectofests ... :P) - -- =============================================== Meredith Tarr New Haven, CT USA mailto:meth@smoe.org http://www.smoe.org/meth =============================================== hear at the HOMe House Concert Series http://hom.smoe.org =============================================== ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 19:50:43 +0200 From: Rolf Peukert Subject: Re: Ectofest Europe: gauging interest Sander wrote: > IF an ectofest in the vein of the just-finished one was organized here > in the Netherlands, featuring Happy and one or two other (European?) > ecto artists (suggestions welcome), would you: > * be likely to attend? > (Say, with an 80% certainty? I understand things can always come up, and > timing can always not work out and this is way, way too early to ask for > any kind of guarantee - but I do expect that if this would actually > happen, 80% of the people answering yes would actually manage to be there.) > * and be coming from where? Hi, very very certainly I would be there. Starting near Cologne/Germany, it's not that far to the Netherlands. Btw, thanks to everyone for the wonderful reports, photos and videos from Ectofest 2007. Best wishes Rolf ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 12:28:18 -0700 (PDT) From: "Xenu's Sister" Subject: Re: Random ectofest observations - --- meredith wrote: > Hi, > > Karen observed: > > > * Woj stuck glowsticks in his ears and looked like a genial > > Frankenstein's monster. > > Crikey, I can't leave that boy alone for a *minute*. ;) I haven't yet had time to do much with the pictures I took, but here's one of that important moment. :) http://suspended-in-gaffa.com/happy/Ectofest07/wojglowsticks.jpg I'll be adding a lot more to that directory as soon as I can. Vickie ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 15:43:30 -0400 From: "Jeffrey Burka" Subject: Re: Wretches Sing-Along video, and mp3 of show meth sez: > Good to know Happy's still a total FREAK. ;) did you ever doubt it? > I suppose I should apologize to everyone in attendance, as obviously since I wasn't there to > torture she decided to pick on everybody else at once. Gee, I would have thought after all that humiliation you would have gotten woj to help with your, uh, little issue. jeff ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 16:20:50 -0400 From: "Karen Hester" Subject: Noe's Summer Storm Journals now on CD Baby The Summer Storm Journals - http://cdbaby.com/cd/noevenable4. The page has a San Francisco Chronicle article. Of course, also available on her site - http://www.noevenable.com/store.php. Paypal, $15 plus $3 shipping. The booklet photo of Noe somewhat on the edge of a cliff was taken following the instructions of a unicorn. She was given a 'What Would a Unicorn Do?' spinning wheel and it kept on telling her to stand on a cliff in a storm (have I got that right?) and thus the photo. K. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 06:25:23 +1000 From: andrew fries Subject: Re: Date formats Henning Rech wrote: > PS: perhaps it helps to accomodate to the metric system if you know that it > was an outflow from the French Revolution in 1789, and so is somehow > connected to the Declaration of Human Rights? Perhaps it can help somebody, but personally I'm fairly indifferent to that. All I need to know is that metric system is far superior, by its virtues of simplicity, consistency and ease of use. All of which are not a matter of familiarity, but can be indisputably and objectively demonstrated: Consider this simple question: How many ounces are there in 123 pounds? No matter how familiar they are with the units, an average person will take a good while to multiply 123*16 in their heads, and many people are incapable of doing that at all. On the other hand, if you asked how many grams are there in 123 kilos, the answer is instant: 123,000 grams! Anyone who had a benefit of even minimal education can shift a decimal point. OK, so now we know 123 pounds are in fact equal to 1986 ounces. How about 123 miles then - how many yards is that? A 'metric person', having learned that 'kilo' means thousand, can apply this knowledge across the board; not so in the imperial system. Knowing about pounds and ounces helps not a single bit with conversion from miles to yards! I came across the old math workbooks from Australian elementary school before decimal conversions, and I was absolutely appalled by what I saw: At the point where we'd be working out a lot more advanced topics, they were still wasting their time on most elementary arithmetic, learning various units of measures and weights... no wonder, having to memorise them all one by one. This is the real cost of your 'quaint and harmless' imperial system. ------------------------------ End of ecto-digest V13 #244 ***************************