From: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org (ecto-digest) To: ecto-digest@smoe.org Subject: ecto-digest V13 #186 Reply-To: ecto@smoe.org Sender: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk ecto-digest Thursday, July 19 2007 Volume 13 : Number 186 To unsubscribe: e-mail ecto-digest-request@smoe.org and put the word unsubscribe in the message body. Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: i want to get happy! ["robert bristow-johnson" ] i want to get happy! [Mark Chapman ] Running Up That Hill Cover [jjhanson@att.net] Re: Running Up That Hill Cover ["Jon Wesley Huff" ] Re: I want to get happy [breinheimer@webtv.net (bill)] Re: I want to get Happy [breinheimer@webtv.net (bill)] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2007 01:23:17 -0400 From: "robert bristow-johnson" Subject: Re: i want to get happy! > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "jonathan harrison" > To: ecto@smoe.org > Subject: i want to get happy! > Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2007 23:14:43 -0500 > > and three of > Happy's albums: /Warpaint/, /equipoise/, and /Many Worlds are Born > Tonight/. > i think "Feed the Fire", "Terra..." and "Words werent made..." on Warpaint are incredibly good and "The Chariot" followed by "Ra" on Many Worlds are nothing short of masterpiece. listen to those again. (my suggestion) ... > I /want/ to understand Happy, because I /like/ to like music. The more > artists I /get/, the better, in my opinion. I'm always waiting for the > next Book or Song or Album or, in the old days, Computer Game. If Happy > could become that, I'd be very pleased -- especially since I bought three > CDs and it seems unfair to go against such a strong tide of intense > public sentiment. > Here's my request: help me to like Happy. Initiate me into her secrets. > I've appended a list of the tracks I have access to (the incomplete > albums are thanks to Vickie). Highlight the high points of tracks, point > out musical parts and textures, indicate the durations of brilliant > passages, -- in short, sell me Happy and demonstrate it to me in the > songs I have available to hear it in. all of these (that i left) are timeless and, for my taste, represent Happy's genius. > # Happy Rhodes > '>> [1991] - Warpaint > \[02] - Feed the Fire/ > \[04] - to Live in Your World/ > \[05] - Phobos/ > \[08] - Terra Incognita/ > \[10] - Words weren't Made for Cowards/ > '> [1992] - Ecto > \[14] - Look for the Child/ > '> [1992] - Rearmament > \[02] - for We Believe/ > '> [1993] - Building the Colossus > \[01] - Hold Me/ > '>> [1993] - equipoise > \[01] - runners/ > \[11] - i say/ > '> [1993] - RhodeSongs > \[05] - Save Our Souls/ but you really should hear The Keep version of SOS. > '> [1995] - the Keep > \[01] - Temporary and Eternal/ > \[07] - for We Believe/ can you get Save our Souls? or Look for the Child? on this one. or Flash Me Up? (i *really* like the also live Flash Me Up on Left Hand Demos.) > '>> [1998] - Many Worlds are Born Tonight > \[01] - 100 Years/ > \[02] - Many Worlds are Born Tonight/ > \[03] - the Chariot/ > \[04] - Ra is a Busy God/ ... ...fucking incredible masterpiece. > \[07] - Tragic/ > \[09] - Looking Over Cliffs/ and then there are some wonderful songs on the Find Me advanced sampler (which is a special release to fans from a couple of years ago). - -- r b-j rbj@audioimagination.com "Imagination is more important than knowledge." ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2007 02:11:41 -0400 From: "robert bristow-johnson" Subject: Re: Ectofest 2007 web site > ----- Original Message ----- > From: meredith > To: ecto > Subject: Re: Ectofest 2007 web site > Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2007 00:45:53 -0400 > > > Hi, > > robert bristow-johnson wrote: > >> One thing I noticed, though, is there was no way for people to purchase > >> tickets someone else wrote this above, i was trying to answer it. > Is the venue even set up to handle advance ticketing? no. and never was. this venue is sorta like renting the town auditorium for a gig (something that i, and some other kids, did 3 decades ago to promote our own shitty 70s cover rock band). but it's privately owned, and smaller and sorta exists for artists to inexpensively promote themselves. > Ticketing is handled by the venue, not the promoter. not in this case. > If the Lily Pad doesn't > do advance ticketing, then I'm afraid you're SOL. no, Mike is saying we can do this (with PayPal). we haven't yet connected all the wires and closed the circuit loop yet. but i think we can do that (with links on the ectofest.com site to a PP page that is capable of doing this) and have current flowing into the brain of Dr. Frankenstein's creature (Dick Cheney)... "It's alive!!!" (at least that's what i anticipate hearing.) > The best you can do is > take RSVPs from folks in advance, and reserve tables or chairs for them > inside before the doors open. You won't be collecting any money in advance, > but you'll have somewhat of an idea how many people to expect. we can do that too, i guess. but i don't see any reason why i cannot collect money in advance and literally guarantee admission for those coming from outa town. if i take RSVPs, and it looks sold to capacity, and some of the RSVPs don't show early enough, and i want to sell the seat to some actual person who walks in, then say the place *really* does get packed, then the outa-town person who flew in and is paying for a room shows up, but their seat is gone. if this PayPal thing doesn't work, i can open a bank account, i think, with "Ectofest 2007" as the account name with my SSN, accept checks and money orders, and in either case mail back written receipt, and firmly guarantee the seat that will go empty if the person never shows. > If they do offer advance ticketing, then you'll need to find out how they > handle it and work it out that way. the venue does not ticket at all. they are leaving that to the promoters of the gig who are often simply the artists. > Believe me, you'll be happy not to have > to deal with that yourself!! It's a massive pain in the ass, not to mention > if you handle the incoming money yourself you can open yourself up to tax > nastiness that's better kept on the venue's plate and well off of yours. the venue takes money from me and has reserved this space (and some accessories, like a grand piano) for my use for the period of time they offered. that's all they do, besides a little promotion (that you have seen) at their website. they are not managing the door. i have not revealed here my arrangements with the other principals, but i know how income and expenses can be recorded. with the principals, there is and will be complete transparency. there will be no net income for me in any case (and i will likely lose money and i doubt i'll be able to deduct such). there will be no 1099-MISC and i'm pretty sure there won't be any need for it (maybe if i did a dozen of these things in as many weeks there would be). i will leave it to individuals to deal with their own tax responsibilities. i *did* say this: > > i *know* i'll make it so that people can come and go easily (you'll take a > > re-entrance pass with you when you leave, > > This is what handstamps are for. No need for passes or anything like that to > kill unnecessary trees. i'll tell you, last summer i did some volunteer work for the Burlington Discover Jazz fest and there were some people (i think virtually all were women) who objected to the ink hand stamp. we didn't have the flourescent, otherwise invisible kinda ink. i don't care if anyone transfers their readmit to someone else. i just, in case it packs out, need to make sure that the number of bodies inside the venue is bounded by a given integer. maybe i can get "hospital bracelets", but for this little thing, that seems over-the-top. with 80 re-admit passes printed up, the unnecessary trees killed is limited. thanks for the info, Meth. i still need it. but i *do* see somethings a little differently, probably due to ignorance. so i still look forward to any professional insights. of course, if i'm completely wrong about any of this (and you know exactly why), PLEEEEZE save me from shooting my foot or my head. - -- r b-j rbj@audioimagination.com "Imagination is more important than knowledge." ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2007 03:00:02 -0400 (EDT) From: Mike Matthews Subject: Today's your birthday, friends... i*i*i*i*i*i i*i*i*i*i*i *************** *****HAPPY********* **************BIRTHDAY********* *************************************************** *************************************************************************** ******************* Cathy Guetzlaff (no Email address) ******************** ************************* Vlad (no Email address) ************************* *************************************************************************** -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- - -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Cathy Guetzlaff Mon July 18 1955 Cancer Vlad Sat July 18 1970 Warning: severe tire damage Jani Pinola Thu July 20 1972 Jonquil Alvin Brattli Sun July 27 1969 Lefthanded Christy Eger Smith Thu July 27 1944 Horse Crossing Shirley Ye July 27 Lioness woj Sun July 28 1968 children at play John Relph Sat July 28 1962 Leo Bob Kollmeyer Wed July 28 1971 Leo Steve Lusky Tue July 29 1952 Bike! Kate Bush Wed July 30 1958 God Chuck Smith Wed July 30 1958 Reboot Yves Denneulin Fri July 30 1971 Lion-Heart Joel Kenyon Wed July 31 1963 Leo Allan Anderson Sun August 04 1974 Signifier/Signified Eli Brandt August 05 Leo Amanda Williams Tue August 05 1969 phoenix Martin Bridges Sat August 08 1970 BigGuy Rosana L. de Oliveira Wed August 08 1973 Leo Happy Rhodes Mon August 09 1965 HolyGhost Loretta Pontillo Tue August 15 1978 Leo Queen of the Jungle - -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2007 06:15:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Mark Chapman Subject: i want to get happy! Jonathan (and all): I don't think it's very easy for anyone to immediately influence someone to "get" a musician or group when they don't have a somewhat warm initial reaction. It happens, but usually over time. Your self-described preferences for "crunchy" music mean nothing to me, in that I have a huge taste for music that is so crunchy, it makes most people's ears bleed. In fact, I'm probably one of the last persons on this list to say that my tastes are focused on "Ecto-friendly" music. And here's a taste of how much time I spend listening to music: http://www.flickr.com/photos/naga3717/sets/72157600805789409/with/804117644/ But I loved Happy's music and voice from the moment I heard it, and have never looked back. Regardless of how "good" a musician or band is, musical tastes are just that. I can't *convince* someone to like my favorite music, and frankly, I have no desire to at this point in my life. You are either on my team or you're not. ;-) ~Mark - --------------------------------- Building a website is a piece of cake. Yahoo! Small Business gives you all the tools to get online. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2007 15:05:22 +0000 From: jjhanson@att.net Subject: Running Up That Hill Cover Logo's New Now Next program has been airing a pretty compelling video of Placebo's cover of Running Up That Hill--a male singer, very dark, kind of reminescent of Coil or something like that, but still very compelling. I imagine Placebo isn't exactly ecto-fare, but I'm not really all that familiar with their work. Does anyone know if this cover is in line with their other material or kind of a departure? Jeff Hanson n.p. The Wyrd Sisters - Wholly n.r. A Fine Balance - Rohinton Mistry / Special Topics in Calamity Physics - Marisha Pessl ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2007 10:32:41 -0500 From: "Jon Wesley Huff" Subject: Re: Running Up That Hill Cover The cover is actually pretty old. They just seemed to have made a push with it recently. It was released as an extra, I think, on a previous album. It is a great cover though. I would say it's similar to their other stuff in some ways but it's definitely a lot more mellow and brooding then what I think of as the typical Placebo song. Jon On 7/18/07, jjhanson@att.net wrote: > Logo's New Now Next program has been airing a pretty compelling video > of Placebo's cover of Running Up That Hill--a male singer, very dark, kind > of reminescent of Coil or something like that, but still very compelling. > > I imagine Placebo isn't exactly ecto-fare, but I'm not really all that familiar > with their work. Does anyone know if this cover is in line with their other > material or kind of a departure? > > Jeff Hanson > n.p. The Wyrd Sisters - Wholly > n.r. A Fine Balance - Rohinton Mistry / Special Topics in Calamity Physics - Marisha Pessl ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2007 11:47:22 -0400 From: gaseous clay Subject: Re: Running Up That Hill Cover one time at band camp, jjhanson@att.net (jjhanson@att.net) said: >Logo's New Now Next program has been airing a pretty compelling video >of Placebo's cover of Running Up That Hill--a male singer, very dark, kind >of reminescent of Coil or something like that, but still very compelling. you know, despite having heard about this before -- they've done it live for quite a while now and i think it was released on some collection or live album or something recently -- i still haven't heard it. (on the other hand, i have heard patrick wolf's live version of "running up that hill" which is pretty good -- as is his album _the magic postiion_.) >I imagine Placebo isn't exactly ecto-fare, but I'm not really all that familiar >with their work. Does anyone know if this cover is in line with their other >material or kind of a departure? no idea, but i will point out that brian molko sings a duet on kristeen young's album _breasticles_, so maybe he's more ectophilic than one suspects. assuming, of course, one counts KY in the fold. ;) woj n.p. metric - grow up and blow away (meredith, it's on the living room floor if you're wondering what it sounds like.) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2007 13:42:13 -0400 From: breinheimer@webtv.net (bill) Subject: Re: I want to get happy Hopefully this response isn't too amateurish. I believe that music can make us respond in different ways. It can, for instance, make us want to move. "Dance" music has been around for ages, in many cultures and many forms. Music also can make us think. Sometimes we respond intellectually to the structure of music but more commonly I think that this response is brought on by the lyrics. Finally, it is evocative, that is to say that it can make us feel. With the broad range of human emotions available there can be a corresponding broad range of musical genres. from, say punk to opera. Most of us respond to some kinds of music but not to others. I could not say why. Some people grow and change musically as they get older, some do not. While I imagine that an informed study might allow you to better appreciate Happy's craftmanship I doubt that it would allow you to form an emotional connection to the music. Maybe someday that will change, maybe it will not. If it does change it will be an organic process that occurs over time, not something you can force feed yourself. There is a great deal of music out there (a lot of classical, for instance) that I know intellectually is good music though it does nothing for me. I listen to things now (including jazz and some cassical) that I would not have listened to while growing up. I guess that what I'm saying is that you may "get" Happy's music more than you think. You may just not respond to it emotionally. If you prefer "crunchy" music so be it. There's nothing wrong with that and there is a lot of fine music out there to fit that bill. If you grow to like softer music someday that's great. If you do not that's ok too. Hope this helps and sorry for the length. np: Steve Khan- The green field. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2007 14:24:30 -0400 From: breinheimer@webtv.net (bill) Subject: Re: I want to get Happy By the way Jonathan, although this is the Happy Rhodes mailing list, as you can see the ecto community supports a wide variety of deserving artists. Even if you never grow to love Happy's music here's hoping that you can enjoy your time here supporting all things ecto. ------------------------------ End of ecto-digest V13 #186 ***************************