From: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org (ecto-digest) To: ecto-digest@smoe.org Subject: ecto-digest V13 #127 Reply-To: ecto@smoe.org Sender: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk ecto-digest Friday, May 18 2007 Volume 13 : Number 127 To unsubscribe: e-mail ecto-digest-request@smoe.org and put the word unsubscribe in the message body. Today's Subjects: ----------------- Fwd: ThrowingMusic | Shhhhhh! ["Karen Hester" ] Re: Opinions on Tori's American Doll Posse? ["Karen Hester" ] Re: Opinions on Tori's American Doll Posse? ["Paul Jensen" ] strange covers ["JoAnn Whetsell" ] Re: strange covers [neal copperman ] Re: Opinions on Tori's American Doll Posse? ["Jon Wesley Huff" ] Re: strange covers [Bernie Mojzes ] Re: Opinions on Tori's American Doll Posse? [Tim Jones-Yelvington ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 17 May 2007 09:07:47 -0400 From: "Karen Hester" Subject: Fwd: ThrowingMusic | Shhhhhh! Sorry if already forwarded ... K. - ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: ThrowingMusic If you're in the Boston area we'd like to let you in on an extra special show coming up next weekend! Kristin's going to be playing an intimate, unadvertised, word-of-mouth show on Sunday, May 27th at Hi-N-Dry Studio in Cambridge  doors are at 7pm. If you missed any of the Boston-area shows or would like to see this special line-up, don't miss out on this very last chance! Tickets are very, very limited and available through Virtuous.com for $30. The show will feature Kristin with a full band and strings, the McCarricks will be opening and admission includes food! Share this info with your friends and we hope to see you there! Love, Your Friends at ThrowingMusic ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 May 2007 10:13:38 -0400 From: "Karen Hester" Subject: Re: Opinions on Tori's American Doll Posse? I was a bored-by-Beekeeper and am enjoying this, though not wowed like some. Unlike Beekeeper the songs are diverse, so it's likely you'll find enough to make the album worthwhile, Michael - even if you dislike half, that's still 11.5 songs you'll favor :) You can happily ignore the 5 characters if you want. From what I can tell the personas were developed after the songs were written and recorded, so they're something laid on top, a useful tool for getting into a huge varied album, but you can find your own route in. I'm concentrating on the first half so as not to feel swamped. K. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 May 2007 09:49:34 -0500 From: Doug Subject: Re: Opinions on Tori's American Doll Posse? My first thought upon hearing Tori sing that she's an MILF was, well, of course she is, but saying it about yourself degrades the power of it. But I just now realized she probably was saying it in the context of having previously released The Beekeeper. I can understand someone forgetting how hot Tori is after spinning BK a couple times...ZZZZZ. Thus, a reminder might be in order, I suppose. Oh, I'd forgotten that I'm not thrilled by Digital Ghost, Father's Son, Devils and Gods, or Dark Side. I like Programmable Soda, but I can't make sense of it. Can anyone enlighten me? Stand outs: Big Wheel, Teenage Hustling, Bring Your Dog, Secret Spell, Roosterspur Bridge, Almost Rosey, Velvet Rev, Posse Bonus, and Smokey Joe. Funny, but Smokey Joe reminds me of Happy Rhodes.... - --Doug - ----------- You've been skanking around with your talentless trash You always shoot blanks at your cocksure best - ----------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 May 2007 09:51:49 -0600 From: "Paul Jensen" Subject: Re: Opinions on Tori's American Doll Posse? For what it's worth, let me start by saying that I absolutely love "The Beekeeper". Yes, it's a more quiet, mature album.. but it's so lovely, and has some really poetic moments. I'm not out to tell anyone they're wrong for disliking the album, but I'm very surprised at how negatively so many people feel towards it. Now, as for the new album.. I was pretty skeptical about "American Doll Posse", so I went into it cautiously, and was rather put off by the album at first.. But, being a big Tori fan for so many years, I felt obligated to buy the album when it came out. And am I ever glad I did. I've been playing it almost non-stop in my car since I purchased it. This isn't a perfect album, but I'll venture to say it has some of Tori's best-written songs on it. "Bouncing off Clouds", "Secret Spell", "Digital Ghost", "Beauty of Speed", "Father's Son" are all great candidates for that category.. it also features some embarassing and nonsense songs that can almost feel like interruptions.. these are "Yo George", "Teenage Hustling", "Programmable Soda", "Fat Slut" and "Posse Bonus".. I also have a hard time with "Code Red" and "Dark Side of the Sun", because her voice does that raspy thing that really grates on my nerves.. So, it's not a perfect album. Actually, I might make my own mix of it and omit 6 or 7 tracks.. but nestled amongst those 23 tracks are some REALLY great treasures that make this an easy album for me to recommend. Actually, I wouldn't only recommend it but would -encourage- people to check it out.. Paul - -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "This is the time. And this is the record of the time." -Laurie Anderson ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 May 2007 14:45:18 -0400 From: "Karen Hester" Subject: The marvelous crooning child Incredibly silly and very short song samples at http://www.eugenemirman.com/ - the marvelous crooning child. Most are sweetly childlike, and then click on 'Black dog' or 'White rabbit' to be freaked out. I was checking the support acts for music/comedy act Flight of the Conchords who are playing various places like Seattle, LA, New York, Philadelphia. Gigs here - http://www.whatthefolk.net/giginfo.htm They're "New Zealand's 4th most popular guitar-based digi-bongo acapella-rap-funk-comedy folk duo" and have an HBO show coming soon. Bret was once best-known as Lord of the Rings elf Figwit (Frodo is great ... who is that?). One of the odder episodes of internet fandom. Karen ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 May 2007 16:34:39 -0400 From: "JoAnn Whetsell" Subject: strange covers Shivaree is releasing a new all-covers album (Romance Primer,Tainted Love: Mating Calls and Fight Songs) on July 31. The track list includes "Don't Stop Til You Get Enough," yes, the 1979 Michael Jackson song. That's one song I never thought I'd hear covered, and I admit to being totally intrigued. I have no idea what Shivaree's version will sound like. So that got me thinking: what are some of the other oddest or most unlikely covers out there? Do they work, or are they disastrous? JoAnn np: Edie Carey, Call Me Home nr: Jeanette Winterson, Tanglewreck _________________________________________________________________ Make every IM count. Download Messenger and join the im Initiative now. Its free. http://im.live.com/messenger/im/home/?source=TAGHM_MAY07 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 May 2007 14:53:21 -0600 From: neal copperman Subject: Re: strange covers One of my faves, and that might fit into this vein nicely, is Soundgarden's "Black Hole Sun" by Mimi. It's so beautiful. neal . At 4:34 PM -0400 5/17/07, JoAnn Whetsell wrote: >Shivaree is releasing a new all-covers album (Romance Primer,Tainted >Love: Mating Calls and Fight Songs) on July 31. The track list >includes "Don't Stop Til You Get Enough," yes, the 1979 Michael >Jackson song. That's one song I never thought I'd hear covered, and >I admit to being totally intrigued. I have no idea what Shivaree's >version will sound like. > >So that got me thinking: what are some of the other oddest or most >unlikely covers out there? Do they work, or are they disastrous? > >JoAnn > >np: Edie Carey, Call Me Home >nr: Jeanette Winterson, Tanglewreck > >_________________________________________________________________ >Make every IM count. Download Messenger and join the im Initiative >now. Its free. >http://im.live.com/messenger/im/home/?source=TAGHM_MAY07 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 May 2007 10:32:35 -0500 From: "Jon Wesley Huff" Subject: Re: Opinions on Tori's American Doll Posse? I was bored by Beekeeper as well. My partner bought it, but I didn't even get my own copy of it. I probably won't for this one either. There are a ton of great songs on the album, but I find myself skipping over a lot of the songs. I would say the ratio of good songs to bad songs is maybe 60/40 right now for me, though I'm told it will get better on repeat listens. I do think I need to spend more time with it. Part of my impressions are colored by what I think is a rather silly and pretensious concept and cover art and the really just embarassing opener track "Yo George." I feel the same as Tori (or whichever doll she's being at the time) but the song feels sort of trite, like a 13 year old scribbling in a notebook. Plus, I do feel it's about five years too late to really have much impact. It's an easy thing to say NOW. However, I do think there's a lot to like about the album. Maybe I just need some time away (and maybe a burned copy without the first track) to really appreciate it. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 May 2007 14:04:34 -0700 From: "Sue Trowbridge" Subject: Re: strange covers On 5/17/07, JoAnn Whetsell wrote: > So that got me thinking: what are some of the other oddest or most unlikely > covers out there? Do they work, or are they disastrous? I love the cover of the Rolling Stones' "Start Me Up" by the Folksmen, as featured on the soundtrack to "A Mighty Wind." (The Folksmen are a faux folk music trio -- the "members" are the same guys who played Spinal Tap.) It's definitely unlikely, but it has a charm all its own! - --Sue ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 May 2007 17:36:49 -0400 (EDT) From: Bernie Mojzes Subject: Re: strange covers I think the oddest cover I've ever heard was John Zorn covering... oh hell, John Zorn covering anything. But I was originally thinking his cover of Thelonious Monk's "Shuffle Boil," done with bird calls. His "The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly" is also pretty brilliant, as is the james bond theme song... A little more mainstream... give XTC's "All Along the Watchtower" a listen, and Shriekback's "Get Down Tonight." brni > Shivaree is releasing a new all-covers album (Romance Primer,Tainted Love: > Mating Calls and Fight Songs) on July 31. The track list includes "Don't > Stop Til You Get Enough," yes, the 1979 Michael Jackson song. That's one > song I never thought I'd hear covered, and I admit to being totally > intrigued. I have no idea what Shivaree's version will sound like. > > So that got me thinking: what are some of the other oddest or most unlikely > covers out there? Do they work, or are they disastrous? > > JoAnn > > np: Edie Carey, Call Me Home > nr: Jeanette Winterson, Tanglewreck > > _________________________________________________________________ > Make every IM count. Download Messenger and join the im Initiative now. > Its free. http://im.live.com/messenger/im/home/?source=TAGHM_MAY07 > - -- brni i don't want the world, i just want your half. http://brni.livejournal.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 May 2007 15:10:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Jones-Yelvington Subject: Re: Opinions on Tori's American Doll Posse? I dig the MILF thing, b/c it's the kind of thing that totally shouldn't work, but that someone as talented as Tori can get away with. It's her equivalent of Kate's washing machine. Doug wrote: My first thought upon hearing Tori sing that she's an MILF was, well, of course she is, but saying it about yourself degrades the power of it. But I just now realized she probably was saying it in the context of having previously released The Beekeeper. I can understand someone forgetting how hot Tori is after spinning BK a couple times...ZZZZZ. Thus, a reminder might be in order, I suppose. Oh, I'd forgotten that I'm not thrilled by Digital Ghost, Father's Son, Devils and Gods, or Dark Side. I like Programmable Soda, but I can't make sense of it. Can anyone enlighten me? Stand outs: Big Wheel, Teenage Hustling, Bring Your Dog, Secret Spell, Roosterspur Bridge, Almost Rosey, Velvet Rev, Posse Bonus, and Smokey Joe. Funny, but Smokey Joe reminds me of Happy Rhodes.... - --Doug - ----------- You've been skanking around with your talentless trash You always shoot blanks at your cocksure best - ----------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 May 2007 18:22:12 -0400 From: "JoAnn Whetsell" Subject: Re: Opinions on Tori's American Doll Posse? Okay, what is an MILF? JoAnn >From: Tim Jones-Yelvington >To: Doug , "ecto@smoe.org" >Subject: Re: Opinions on Tori's American Doll Posse? >Date: Thu, 17 May 2007 15:10:47 -0700 (PDT) > >I dig the MILF thing, b/c it's the kind of thing that totally shouldn't >work, but that someone as talented as Tori can get away with. > > It's her equivalent of Kate's washing machine. > >Doug wrote: > My first thought upon hearing Tori sing that she's an MILF was, well, >of course she is, but saying it about yourself degrades the power of >it. _________________________________________________________________ Like the way Microsoft Office Outlook works? Youll love Windows Live Hotmail. http://imagine-windowslive.com/hotmail/?locale=en-us&ocid=TXT_TAGHM_migration_HM_mini_outlook_0507 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 May 2007 18:38:25 -0400 (EDT) From: Bernie Mojzes Subject: Re: Opinions on Tori's American Doll Posse? Whatever you do, do NOT do a google search. brni > Okay, what is an MILF? > > JoAnn > > >> From: Tim Jones-Yelvington >> To: Doug , "ecto@smoe.org" >> Subject: Re: Opinions on Tori's American Doll Posse? >> Date: Thu, 17 May 2007 15:10:47 -0700 (PDT) >> >> I dig the MILF thing, b/c it's the kind of thing that totally shouldn't >> work, but that someone as talented as Tori can get away with. >> >> It's her equivalent of Kate's washing machine. >> >> Doug wrote: >> My first thought upon hearing Tori sing that she's an MILF was, well, >> of course she is, but saying it about yourself degrades the power of >> it. > > _________________________________________________________________ > Like the way Microsoft Office Outlook works? Youll love Windows Live > Hotmail. > http://imagine-windowslive.com/hotmail/?locale=en-us&ocid=TXT_TAGHM_migration_HM_mini_outlook_0507 > - -- brni i don't want the world, i just want your half. http://brni.livejournal.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 May 2007 17:21:41 -0600 From: neal copperman Subject: Re: Opinions on Tori's American Doll Posse? Or do a google search. That will answer the question too! neal . At 6:38 PM -0400 5/17/07, Bernie Mojzes wrote: >Whatever you do, do NOT do a google search. > >brni > >>Okay, what is an MILF? >> >>JoAnn >> >>>From: Tim Jones-Yelvington >>>To: Doug , "ecto@smoe.org" >>>Subject: Re: Opinions on Tori's American Doll Posse? >>>Date: Thu, 17 May 2007 15:10:47 -0700 (PDT) >>> >>>I dig the MILF thing, b/c it's the kind of thing that totally >>>shouldn't work, but that someone as talented as Tori can get away >>>with. >>> >>> It's her equivalent of Kate's washing machine. >>> >>>Doug wrote: >>> My first thought upon hearing Tori sing that she's an MILF was, well, >>>of course she is, but saying it about yourself degrades the power of >>>it. >> >>_________________________________________________________________ >>Like the way Microsoft Office Outlook works? Youll love Windows >>Live Hotmail. >>http://imagine-windowslive.com/hotmail/?locale=en-us&ocid=TXT_TAGHM_migration_HM_mini_outlook_0507 >> > >-- > >brni > >i don't want the world, >i just want your half. > >http://brni.livejournal.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 May 2007 16:35:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Jones-Yelvington Subject: Re: Opinions on Tori's American Doll Posse? Mom I'd Like to Fuck. Bernie Mojzes wrote: Whatever you do, do NOT do a google search. brni > Okay, what is an MILF? > > JoAnn > > >> From: Tim Jones-Yelvington >> To: Doug , "ecto@smoe.org" >> Subject: Re: Opinions on Tori's American Doll Posse? >> Date: Thu, 17 May 2007 15:10:47 -0700 (PDT) >> >> I dig the MILF thing, b/c it's the kind of thing that totally shouldn't >> work, but that someone as talented as Tori can get away with. >> >> It's her equivalent of Kate's washing machine. >> >> Doug wrote: >> My first thought upon hearing Tori sing that she's an MILF was, well, >> of course she is, but saying it about yourself degrades the power of >> it. > > _________________________________________________________________ > Like the way Microsoft Office Outlook works? Youll love Windows Live > Hotmail. > http://imagine-windowslive.com/hotmail/?locale=en-us&ocid=TXT_TAGHM_migration_HM_mini_outlook_0507 > - -- brni i don't want the world, i just want your half. http://brni.livejournal.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 May 2007 19:57:59 -0400 From: "JoAnn Whetsell" Subject: Re: Opinions on Tori's American Doll Posse? Oh. I had searched Acronym finder, which came up with 3 possibilities, none of which seemed quite right: Moro Islamic Liberation Front (Muslim group in the Philippines) Man I Like Fragging (Counter Strike gaming clan) Mother I'd Like to Find (polite form; from movie American Pie) Number 3 didn't make any sense, but now I've been enlightened. JoAnn _________________________________________________________________ Catch suspicious messages before you open themwith Windows Live Hotmail. http://imagine-windowslive.com/hotmail/?locale=en-us&ocid=TXT_TAGHM_migration_HM_mini_protection_0507 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 May 2007 18:23:25 -0600 From: neal copperman Subject: Re: Opinions on Tori's American Doll Posse? Choice 3 sounds like an orphan matching service! neal . At 7:57 PM -0400 5/17/07, JoAnn Whetsell wrote: >Oh. I had searched Acronym finder, which came up with 3 >possibilities, none of which seemed quite right: > >Moro Islamic Liberation Front (Muslim group in the Philippines) >Man I Like Fragging (Counter Strike gaming clan) >Mother I'd Like to Find (polite form; from movie American Pie) > >Number 3 didn't make any sense, but now I've been enlightened. > >JoAnn > >_________________________________________________________________ >Catch suspicious messages before you open themwith Windows Live >Hotmail. >http://imagine-windowslive.com/hotmail/?locale=en-us&ocid=TXT_TAGHM_migration_HM_mini_protection_0507 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 May 2007 23:34:11 -0500 From: kerrywhite@webtv.net (kerry white) Subject: Re; Strange Covers Hi, The entire Prozac For Lovers CD is comprised of low key laid back lounge singer covers of hard rock songs. Go to CDBaby and listen to some samples. Aqualung and (Don't Fear) The Reaper done slowly, softly and almost breathed instead of vocalized is some different trip! bye, me KrW I'm Peter Pan! I'm perpetually young!! OW!! What's wrong with my back? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 May 2007 01:33:09 -0400 From: meredith Subject: Re: strange covers Hi, JoAnn Whetsell wrote: > So that got me thinking: what are some of the other oddest or most > unlikely covers out there? Do they work, or are they disastrous? Funny, I was just thinking about this subject today! I heard Frankie Goes To Hollywood's version of "Do You Know The Way To San Jose" on the radio this morning, and it rather hurt my brain. Really, for its time Tori's "Smells Like Teen Spirit" was a very unlikely choice. Now it's almost trite for a female singer/songwriter to do a song by a boy, but back in '92 that was really something. - -- =============================================== Meredith Tarr New Haven, CT USA mailto:meth@smoe.org http://www.smoe.org/meth =============================================== hear at the HOMe House Concert Series http://hom.smoe.org =============================================== ------------------------------ End of ecto-digest V13 #127 ***************************