From: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org (ecto-digest) To: ecto-digest@smoe.org Subject: ecto-digest V13 #88 Reply-To: ecto@smoe.org Sender: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk ecto-digest Tuesday, April 10 2007 Volume 13 : Number 088 To unsubscribe: e-mail ecto-digest-request@smoe.org and put the word unsubscribe in the message body. Today's Subjects: ----------------- Today's your birthday, friend... [Mike Matthews ] Re: Beware the eggcorn ["Paul Blair" ] Re: eggcorn [Doug ] Rachael Sage and Kristin Hoffmann Sat. night ["Paul Blair" ] Sunday night at Tonic ["Paul Blair" ] copy protection question ["JoAnn Whetsell" ] Re: copy protection question [Greg Dunn ] Re: copy protection question [Nadyne Mielke ] Re: copy protection question [DanStark <2005.carnivore99@verizon.net>] Re: Sunday night at Tonic [Greg Dunn ] Re: Sunday night at Tonic ["Paul Blair" ] RE: ecto-digest V13 #87 ["Greg Blair" ] Re: ecto-digest V13 #87 ["Paul Blair" ] Re: ecto-digest V13 #87 [Doug ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 03:00:03 -0400 (EDT) From: Mike Matthews Subject: Today's your birthday, friend... i*i*i*i*i*i i*i*i*i*i*i *************** *****HAPPY********* **************BIRTHDAY********* *************************************************** *************************************************************************** ********************** Jill Hughes (Riphug@aol.com) *********************** *************************************************************************** -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- - -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Jill Hughes Sat April 09 1955 Aries Klaus Kluge Sun April 10 1960 Unicorn Steve VanDevender Sun April 10 1966 Racer Art Liestman Fri April 10 1953 Repeat Stephen Golden Sat April 10 1971 Jokey Michael Bowman Wed April 11 1962 Aries Wolfgang Ullwer Fri April 11 1969 Widder Janet Kirsch Thu April 11 1974 Aries Kristen Scallion Fri April 12 1974 Aries Jerry Tue April 13 1971 Aries Stuart Myerburg Mon April 14 1969 Aries T-Bone Wed April 15 1992 happy cat Jeff Hanson Sat April 16 1966 Aries Michael Klouda Mon April 17 1967 Aries Noe Venable Tue April 20 1976 Aries Harry Foster Sat April 21 1956 NiceGuy Kjetil Torgrim Homme Thu April 23 1970 Taurus Jeff Burka Thu April 24 1969 GoFlyAKite Christine Waite Tue April 25 1972 Taurus Matt Adams Thu April 26 1962 Taurus Brad Hutchinson Tue April 28 1964 What sign? Geoff Parks Sun April 30 1961 Taurus Marty Lash Sat May 01 1948 Taurus Barney Parker Fri May 02 1986 happy cat Gray Abbott Tue May 03 1955 Suprised Tamar Boursalian Tue May 03 1966 Taurus Richard A. Holmes May 07 Taurus Steve Ito Fri May 08 1970 DA Bull... Brian Gregory Thu May 09 1963 Eclectic Catherine Sundnes Sat May 09 1970 Very Catzy - -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 08:51:20 -0400 From: "Paul Blair" Subject: Re: Beware the eggcorn I just got one in an email this morning: "Take a peak at this..." ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 08:47:55 -0500 From: Doug Subject: Re: eggcorn > By the way how do you pronounce Necronomican? I tried asking H P > Lovecraft but he never returned my calls. Necro-nomi-con, of course. - --Doug ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 10:07:19 -0400 From: "Paul Blair" Subject: Rachael Sage and Kristin Hoffmann Sat. night I don't know if any ectophiles got to Vienna Teng's show Saturday night, but I went down to the Living Room to hear Rachael Sage and the Sequins. Gregory Douglass, who came on before her, didn't really grab me; still too coffeehouse for my taste. At one point, however, he did an a capella version of Sarah McLachlan's "Hold On," which showed both considerable guts and vocal skill, but I still didn't really go for it musically. It's been a long time since I've seen Rachael Sage play, so I didn't recognize any of the music. But I'd forgotten how much I enjoy seeing her play, and regretted not having seen her more often. And the music is accessible enough that you don't already have to know it to like it. So apart from the fact that I liked the music, I don't have much comment on it. However, I was entertained as usual by the visual aspect of the show. Besides Rachael's normal funky-looking keyboard, there was her: dark copper-tinted hair, tied back in an almost-bun. Glitter on the eyelids. Gold sequin high-top tennis shoes, black pants with some kind of frilly black skirt over them. For a top she initially had on a zipped-up black jacket with a skull & crossbones on it, and over that a black sequined scarf/boa thing (oh, and I forgot to mention the feather boas on the mike stands). After a song or two she took the scarf and jacket off; underneath she had on a tie-dyed tank top that looked like a late afternoon dark blue sky with mottled clouds, but with a sequined Star of David in the middle of her chest. Around her neck she wore a gold five-pointed star, which hung down exactly in front of and inside the Star of David, to interesting effect. Her arms were covered with fishnet hose (is there a word for arm-hose?) down to the wrists, where she wore studded black leather bracelets, matching her belt. Band ("The Sequins"): Todd Sickafoose played stand-up bass; the other band members' names I didn't retain, but one played a muted trumpet, and the other drums. Rachael seemed to be having a very good time with them; and they with her except for the one part where she evidently started a song they didn't expect: "Tricked you!" she said. They seemed a bit puzzled. Still, they picked it up fine and nothing sounded funny. After Rachael was done I managed to get over to Caffe Vivaldi in time for Kristin Hoffmann's second set. The place was just about full. Kristin played mainly piano, with a bit of guitar. She was accompanied by a fellow in a black fedora who played steel guitar, bass flute, and wooden flute. The steel guitar added a very interesting flavor to the music, like a smidgen of Relayer-era Yes as a backdrop. Every time I see Kristin I like her more, but although the number of songs she does that appeal to me has grown, I still find in every set a few that bore me. Maybe I'll find more in them as I get to know them better, but I think it's because they don't strike me as being particularly strong lyrically. But definitely recommended ecto fare. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2007 09:17:11 -0500 From: Carolyn Andre Subject: Re: Beware the eggcorn At 07:51 AM 4/9/2007, Paul Blair wrote: >I just got one in an email this morning: "Take a peak at this..." Those peaks and peeks get around - one of my annoyances is all the "peaking" and "peeking" of interest that goes on in emails. (although "peaking at this" reminds me of the many "websights" I'm referred to) Regards, Carolyn Andre - --- candre@house-of-music.com Chicago, IL / USA Support Independent Music! Use the Internet http://house-of-music.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 10:25:31 -0400 From: "Paul Blair" Subject: Sunday night at Tonic This evening I went to Tonic to hear Big Lazy play as part of their big to-do for the closing of the club. When I got there, at the time scheduled for Big Lazy to go on, a five- or six-piece band was on stage, billed as "Yuka Honda & Sean Lennon." Now these days a band can call itself anything it wants, so I wasn't really expecting Sean Lennon, but apparently it was. This didn't save the music, though: One riff, over and over for about fifteen minutes, with all kinds of clarinet squeals and other random sounds over the top of it, with Yuka Honda grunting, hiccupping, and making various other indescribable sounds over the top of it. (Or occasionally repeating a meaningless phrase.) This lasted an eternity, and then the crowd up front demanded an encore, which went on for another, oh, seven minutes or so. Well, I thought, at least now Big Lazy can go on. But no: There was another band on ahead of them. White Out made the previous band a pleasure by comparison. It's a duo; one on drum kit, the other on synthesizer, zither, and strange noisemaking instruments. Nothing but noise. (The only reason I stayed more than three minutes was that I thought I recognized the band members: Turns out they live four floors above me. Why couldn't it have been Rachael Sage, or Vienna Teng, or Noe Venable instead?) Then I found out that there was yet another band scheduled to go on before Big Lazy, and I'd have to sit through a whole set of that plus another set of God knows what before I would have a chance to see them. Sorry, guys. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2007 11:59:07 -0400 From: "JoAnn Whetsell" Subject: copy protection question I used to think that any CD with the FBI anti-piracy warning on it was copy-protected. But it seems that the symbol is truly a warning. And while all copy-protected CDs have the symbol, not all the CDs with the symbol are copy-protected. Is there any way to tell if a disc is copy-protected without popping it into your computer? JoAnn _________________________________________________________________ Mortgage refinance is Hot. *Terms. Get a 5.375%* fix rate. Check savings https://www2.nextag.com/goto.jsp?product=100000035&url=%2fst.jsp&tm=y&search=mortgage_text_links_88_h2bbb&disc=y&vers=925&s=4056&p=5117 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 12:39:11 -0400 (GMT-04:00) From: Greg Dunn Subject: Re: copy protection question Philips has stated that copy-protected CDs are not allowed to bear the "Compact Disc" logo, so if the manufacturer is playing by the rules, you should assume that any disc missing that logo may be copy-protected. I doubt that's anywhere near 100% accurate, though. I don't know any other way of telling without actually trying to play the disc. There are lists out on the web containing the names of the best-known copy-protected discs, but again they're probably not all-inclusive... - -----Original Message----- >From: JoAnn Whetsell >Sent: Apr 9, 2007 11:59 AM >To: ecto@smoe.org >Subject: copy protection question > >I used to think that any CD with the FBI anti-piracy warning on it was >copy-protected. But it seems that the symbol is truly a warning. And while >all copy-protected CDs have the symbol, not all the CDs with the symbol are >copy-protected. > >Is there any way to tell if a disc is copy-protected without popping it into >your computer? > >JoAnn > >_________________________________________________________________ >Mortgage refinance is Hot. *Terms. Get a 5.375%* fix rate. Check savings >https://www2.nextag.com/goto.jsp?product=100000035&url=%2fst.jsp&tm=y&search=mortgage_text_links_88_h2bbb&disc=y&vers=925&s=4056&p=5117 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2007 09:59:44 -0700 From: Nadyne Mielke Subject: Re: copy protection question On 4/9/07 8:59 AM, "JoAnn Whetsell" wrote: > I used to think that any CD with the FBI anti-piracy warning on it was > copy-protected. But it seems that the symbol is truly a warning. And while > all copy-protected CDs have the symbol, not all the CDs with the symbol are > copy-protected. > Is there any way to tell if a disc is copy-protected without popping it into > your computer? Copy-protected CDs don't meet the technical specification for compact discs, so they can't have the CD logo anywhere on them. They should have something on the outer packaging saying that the CD might not play in all CD players because of this. Likewise, those dual discs (CD on one side, DVD on the other) don't meet the technical specification for either CDs or DVDs, so they have a similar warning on them. /nm ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2007 12:21:51 -0500 From: Timothy Jones-Yelvington Subject: Re: copy protection question I thought they explicitly said they had the copy protection software installed. I know I have one that only allows me to rip/burn a limited number of copies, a la itunes. Of course you can always re-rip the copy and make as many copies as you want. On 4/9/07 11:39 AM, "Greg Dunn" wrote: > Philips has stated that copy-protected CDs are not allowed to bear the > "Compact Disc" logo, so if the manufacturer is playing by the rules, you > should assume that any disc missing that logo may be copy-protected. I doubt > that's anywhere near 100% accurate, though. I don't know any other way of > telling without actually trying to play the disc. There are lists out on the > web containing the names of the best-known copy-protected discs, but again > they're probably not all-inclusive... > > -----Original Message----- >> From: JoAnn Whetsell >> Sent: Apr 9, 2007 11:59 AM >> To: ecto@smoe.org >> Subject: copy protection question >> >> I used to think that any CD with the FBI anti-piracy warning on it was >> copy-protected. But it seems that the symbol is truly a warning. And while >> all copy-protected CDs have the symbol, not all the CDs with the symbol are >> copy-protected. >> >> Is there any way to tell if a disc is copy-protected without popping it into >> your computer? >> >> JoAnn >> >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Mortgage refinance is Hot. *Terms. Get a 5.375%* fix rate. Check savings >> https://www2.nextag.com/goto.jsp?product=100000035&url=%2fst.jsp&tm=y&search= >> mortgage_text_links_88_h2bbb&disc=y&vers=925&s=4056&p=5117 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 11:11:24 -0700 From: "Sue Trowbridge" Subject: Re: Sunday night at Tonic On 4/9/07, Paul Blair wrote: > Then I found out that there was yet another band scheduled to go on > before Big Lazy, and I'd have to sit through a whole set of that plus > another set of God knows what before I would have a chance to see > them. Sorry, guys. Bad Opening Acts are one of the chief reasons I go out & hear live music much less frequently than I used to. I have had to endure too many horrible, horrible bands in my life. Also, why so many three-band bills? Yes, I'm old... - --Sue T. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2007 13:14:06 -0400 From: DanStark <2005.carnivore99@verizon.net> Subject: Re: copy protection question If you have a Windows computer, turn off your auto-insert notification. As far as I know none of the copy protection schemes found on CDs will load that way. If you previously loaded a copy-protected CD with auto-insert notification turned on, the copy protection scheme was probably installed on your computer without your knowledge so you'll have to remove it to get unprotected ripping functionality back. Google should point you in the right direction. Dan ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 14:57:28 -0400 (EDT) From: Greg Dunn Subject: Re: Sunday night at Tonic Interestingly, I have been to some shows recently where I only wanted to see the opening band, which is great because I can hang out at the merch table for a bit and then leave early. :-) A lot of decent bands start their touring life opening for popular but less interesting groups. Last week I went to a 4-band show expressly to see Meg & Dia perform. I only had to sit (well, stand) through one mediocre and short set before they came on, and then I was free to talk to them at the table for a while and didn't have to deal with the crush in front of the stage. Probably just as well; I think I was the oldest person in the hall by a factor of 2, and mostly invisible (What is that old guy doing here? Must be an undercover narc! Move silently away...). - -----Original Message----- >From: Sue Trowbridge >Sent: Apr 9, 2007 2:11 PM >To: ecto@smoe.org >Subject: Re: Sunday night at Tonic > >On 4/9/07, Paul Blair wrote: >> Then I found out that there was yet another band scheduled to go on >> before Big Lazy, and I'd have to sit through a whole set of that plus >> another set of God knows what before I would have a chance to see >> them. Sorry, guys. > >Bad Opening Acts are one of the chief reasons I go out & hear live >music much less frequently than I used to. I have had to endure too >many horrible, horrible bands in my life. Also, why so many three-band >bills? > >Yes, I'm old... > >--Sue T. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 15:27:39 -0400 From: "Paul Blair" Subject: Re: Sunday night at Tonic By the way, I should clarify that when I said "noise," I meant noise in the technical dictionary sense; this was some subcategory of experimental music. It really wasn't the same as a bad opening act: It was one of many featured bands, and it was what it promised to be. (If anything was out of place it was the band I was there to listen to.) I have no idea by what criteria one could judge it as good or bad--I know at least one person on the list who is into experimental music who might have more to say--but it was definitely not for me. On 4/9/07, Sue Trowbridge wrote: > Bad Opening Acts are one of the chief reasons I go out & hear live > music much less frequently than I used to. I have had to endure too > many horrible, horrible bands in my life. Also, why so many three-band > bills? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 02:28:25 +0000 From: "Greg Blair" Subject: RE: ecto-digest V13 #87 >a couple of days ago Greg Blair wrote (and I quote) >"now for my pet peeve: the mispronouncing of the word Necronomicon. They >say it wrong in every Evil Dead movie. And they say it a lot." > >oooh. that's got to hurt. > >By the way how do you pronounce Necronomican? I tried asking H P >Lovecraft but he never returned my calls. > OK, let me see if I can do this in writing. It's all in the accent. "Ne-CRON-om-i-con" (right). Because of the Evil Dead movies, most people say "NECK-row-nom-i-con" (wrong). I confess that I have no official way of proving that my way is the right way, but that's how I heard it on the radio when I was a young'un, and it stuck with me. Beside, my way just sounds cooler. Try saying them both out loud. The Evil Dead version sounds so clunky. Take that, Bruce Campbell! By the way, HP Lovecraft will return your calls, but you've got to repeat everything three times. Gets to be kind of a drag. gb - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Mortgage refinance is Hot. *Terms. Get a 5.375%* fix rate. Check savings ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 22:42:01 -0400 From: "Paul Blair" Subject: Re: ecto-digest V13 #87 Well actually, there's a way to figure this out. The question is, is it a compound of necro + nomicon, or of necron + (n)omicon? Here's what Wikipedia says about the word: - ----------------------------------- Lovecraft wrote that the title, as translated from the Greek language, meant "An image of the law of the dead": nekros - mejq|r ("corpse"), nomos - m|lor ("law"), eikon - eij~m ("image"). A more prosaic (but probably more correct) translation can be derived by conjugating nemo ("to consider"): "Concerning the dead". Greek editions of Lovecraft's works have commented that the word can have several different meanings in Greek when broken at its roots: Necro-Nomicon : The Book of the Dead, derived from Nomicon (Book of Law), or the Book of the Laws of the Dead. Necro-Nomo-icon : The Book of Dead Laws. Necro-Nemo-ikon : A Study or Classification of the Dead. Necro-Nomo-eikon : Image of the Law of the Dead. Necro-Nemein-Ikon : Book Concerning the Dead. Necr(o)-Onom-icon : The Book of Dead Names, derived from onoma (name). - ----------------------------------- But whichever it is, it looks like the Greek roots are against you, Greg. (Though you can get necron by declining necros, but I don't think that form would be used in a stem.) On 4/9/07, Greg Blair wrote: > OK, let me see if I can do this in writing. It's all in the accent. > "Ne-CRON-om-i-con" (right). Because of the Evil Dead movies, most people > say "NECK-row-nom-i-con" (wrong). I confess that I have no official way > of proving that my way is the right way, but that's how I heard it on the > radio when I was a young'un, and it stuck with me. Beside, my way just > sounds cooler. Try saying them both out loud. The Evil Dead version > sounds so clunky. Take that, Bruce Campbell! By the way, HP Lovecraft > will return your calls, but you've got to repeat everything three times. > Gets to be kind of a drag. > > gb > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Mortgage refinance is Hot. *Terms. Get a 5.375%* fix rate. Check savings ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 21:46:08 -0500 From: Doug Subject: Re: ecto-digest V13 #87 > OK, let me see if I can do this in writing. It's all in the accent. > "Ne-CRON-om-i-con" (right). Because of the Evil Dead movies, most people > say "NECK-row-nom-i-con" (wrong). I confess that I have no official way > of proving that my way is the right way, but that's how I heard it on the Sorry, but you're mistaken. It's "Necro" as in "death or decay" and "nomicon" as in "book or tome" (it's a Book of the Dead after all, eh?). How do you pronounce "necromancer" or "necrophiliac"? The break is after the "necro", not after the (knights who say) "ne". - --Doug ------------------------------ End of ecto-digest V13 #88 **************************