From: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org (ecto-digest) To: ecto-digest@smoe.org Subject: ecto-digest V13 #57 Reply-To: ecto@smoe.org Sender: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk ecto-digest Friday, March 9 2007 Volume 13 : Number 057 To unsubscribe: e-mail ecto-digest-request@smoe.org and put the word unsubscribe in the message body. Today's Subjects: ----------------- Today's your birthday, friend... [Mike Matthews ] FW: Katell Keineg on XM Satellite Radio ["London, Sherry" ] Listen vs. Hear - was Re: allofmp3s.com?? and itunes?? [Patrick Green ] Re: new to me: susan enan, gretchen peters [Paul Schreiber Subject: Today's your birthday, friend... i*i*i*i*i*i i*i*i*i*i*i *************** *****HAPPY********* **************BIRTHDAY********* *************************************************** *************************************************************************** ********************** Tim Steele (no Email address) ********************** *************************************************************************** -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- - -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Tim Steele Fri March 08 1963 Pisces Matt Bittner Thu March 12 1964 Pisces kIrI Hargie Fri March 13 1970 Pisces Bob Dreano Thu March 13 1958 Pisces Randall K. Smith Sat March 15 1969 Pisces Jessica Skolnik March 16 Pisces Patrick M. 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Bravo Mon April 05 1971 Dandelion Wine Brion McIntosh Sun April 06 1958 Aries Marcel Kshensky Thu April 06 1950 Aries Bill Mazur Mon April 06 1953 Aries Sun/Cancer Rising David Dixon Tue April 07 1970 Aries Heidi Heller Mon April 08 1974 Aries - -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2007 08:12:56 -0800 From: "London, Sherry" Subject: FW: Katell Keineg on XM Satellite Radio for those who missed it ________________________________ From: info@katellkeineg.com [mailto:info_katellkeineg.com@mail.vresp.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2007 6:15 PM To: London, Sherry Subject: Katell Keineg on XM Satellite Radio Katell's recent shows at The Living Room in NYC were recorded for XM Satellite Radio's "From the Living Room to the Loft." Check out Channel 50 (The Loft) to listen. If you don't have XM, you can visit xmradio.com and sign up for a free 3 day trial. The show will air on: Thursday March 8th @ 3am EST (Midnight in LA) Sunday March 11th @ 6pm EST Tuesday March 13th @ 11pm EST Thursday March 15th @ 3am EST (Midnight in LA) Also: Ed Pastorini, who plays piano with Katell, will perform with his band 101 Crustaceans , at Tonic in NYC, 9pm on March 19th. Go to tonicnyc .com for more info. best, info@katellkeineg.com www.katellkeineg.com ________________________________ If you no longer wish to receive these emails, please reply to this message with "Unsubscribe" in the subject line or simply click on the following link: Unsubscribe ________________________________ www.katellkeineg.com 66 west 10th street new york, ny 10011 usa Read the VerticalResponse marketing policy. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2007 18:27:12 -0500 From: "Paul Blair" Subject: Noe Venable and Emily Bezar, May 17 NYC Noe says she has a confirmed date for a show with Emily Bezar Rockwood Music Hall, NYC Thursday May 17th 8PM and 9PM ...ain't it great when you get a scoop? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2007 18:28:42 -0600 From: Patrick Green Subject: Listen vs. Hear - was Re: allofmp3s.com?? and itunes?? The entire dialogue about loss of fidelity is interesting to me from another perspective altogether. How often do you listen to music vs. actively try and hear what is in the music? I'm not sure how exactly to phrase that, but it's the difference between really listening deep vs. having the music as a reminder. I have a somewhat esoteric electronic set-up in place for my "deep listening" and find the experience of the music in that context is very different and more engaging than the iPod I use for casual entertainment. Unfortunately, the more I get to know the subtleties of a piece, the more "let down" I am by the iPod version. This isn't just compression, it's total fidelity or "truth" to the original signal. In some way this speaks to me about the difference between direct perception, and how we interpret and incorporate what is perceived into our mental model of the world. Thoughts? psg On 3/7/07 11:18 AM, "Michael Pearce" wrote: > At 1:55 AM -0500 3/7/07, Greg Dunn wrote: > >> I'm surprised allofmp3s.com is still alive; they don't pay a penny >> of royalties to the copyright owners AFAIK. Not a good thing. > > I use them to buy 256kbps copies of my vinyl collection. For a few > cents a track it saves me an entire afternoon of recording, cleaning > up and separating the tracks, titling and ripping to MP3. > > I would like to PayPal some money to the few artists I have bought > from them that I did not already have. I just wish I knew how much > Sheryl Crow, for instance, actually gets per track from her record > company. > > Apparently AllOfMP3 survives in spite of the pressure from the card > companies; I registered with a 3rd-party payer and I can still renew > my balance with them, usually no more than $10 at a time in case > Putin decides to care after all. > >> All MP3-like formats are "very lossy"; the typical 128kbps bitstream >> throws more than 90% of the data away (depending on the exact >> encoding process used). iTunes' AAC format is better than the >> average MP3 encoder in that regard, but after years of putzing >> around with my own music collection, I still prefer encoding rates >> above 192 kbps no matter what compression format. >> >> My ears tell me that 256k is adequate even for complex classical and >> jazz, but 128k and below doesn't seem to work well except for voice. >> In general, the better the original recording and the more complex >> the signal, the higher bit rate is needed to do it justice. I don't >> see the requirements being substantially different for rock/pop, >> it's just that most of it is so poorly recorded to begin with. :-( > > Apple's AAC format is pretty lossy at 128; it's only slightly better > than MP3 at the same rate. When I rip CDs I always use 256 which > sounds good on my ipod, car radio and home stereo and is still better > than 5 to 1 compression. Plus, it will play on any MP3 player. Did > you know that DRM takes extra battery power to decode? Loss is about > 15% over what standard MP3 uses, and WMV takes almost 30%. > > Michael [ALERT] -- Access Manager: This email is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain information that is privileged, confidential or otherwise protected from disclosure. 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Targetbase Messaging Services provided by DMSP ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2007 19:16:47 -0500 From: "robert bristow-johnson" Subject: Re: Noe Venable and Emily Bezar, **March** 17 NYC > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Paul Blair" > To: ecto@smoe.org > Subject: Noe Venable and Emily Bezar, May 17 NYC > Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2007 18:27:12 -0500 > > > Noe says she has a confirmed date for a show with Emily Bezar > > Rockwood Music Hall, NYC > Thursday May 17th > 8PM and 9PM > > ...ain't it great when you get a scoop? also Paul, it's *March*, not May. wear green. - -- r b-j rbj@audioimagination.com "Imagination is more important than knowledge." ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2007 19:13:04 -0500 From: "robert bristow-johnson" Subject: Re: Noe Venable and Emily Bezar, May 17 NYC > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Paul Blair" > To: ecto@smoe.org > Subject: Noe Venable and Emily Bezar, May 17 NYC > Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2007 18:27:12 -0500 > > > Noe says she has a confirmed date for a show with Emily Bezar > > Rockwood Music Hall, NYC > Thursday May 17th > 8PM and 9PM third time around is the charm. this time i am committed to going and i'm wearing green. see y'all there. - -- r b-j rbj@audioimagination.com "Imagination is more important than knowledge." ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2007 19:56:50 -0500 From: meredith Subject: Re: Noe Venable and Emily Bezar, **March** 17 NYC Hi, robert bristow-johnson wrote: > also Paul, it's *March*, not May. Uh, no. May 17th is definitely a Thursday. March 17th (St Paddy's Day) is a Saturday, and yes, Noe does have a show at the Rockwood on Saturday, March 17 -- but that's not the one Emily Bezar will be at. And it doesn't look like I'll be around for either of them. Argh. :P - -- =============================================== Meredith Tarr New Haven, CT USA mailto:meth@smoe.org http://www.smoe.org/meth =============================================== hear at the HOMe House Concert Series http://hom.smoe.org =============================================== ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2007 17:26:03 -0800 From: Daniel Subject: Re: Listen vs. Hear - was Re: allofmp3s.com?? and itunes?? (Who did I steal that from?) Patrick Green wrote: > I have a somewhat esoteric electronic set-up in place for my "deep > listening" I am curious about this setup. Daniel ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2007 20:23:16 -0500 From: "robert bristow-johnson" Subject: Re: Noe Venable and Emily Bezar, May17 NYC; Noe Venable and Jacob Lawson March 17 NYC > ----- Original Message ----- > From: meredith > To: ecto@smoe.org > Subject: Re: Noe Venable and Emily Bezar, **March** 17 NYC > Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2007 19:56:50 -0500 > > > Hi, > > robert bristow-johnson wrote: > > also Paul, it's *March*, not May. > > Uh, no. May 17th is definitely a Thursday. March 17th (St Paddy's Day) is a > Saturday, and yes, Noe does have a show at the Rockwood on Saturday, March 17 > -- but that's not the one Emily Bezar will be at. > > And it doesn't look like I'll be around for either of them. Argh. :P > okay, the May 17 show is not (yet) up on her website yet. being that the venue was the same and no May show was listed, i (incorrectly) concluded that Paul's announcement was wrong. sorry. - -- r b-j rbj@audioimagination.com "Imagination is more important than knowledge." ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2007 18:15:10 -0800 From: Michael Pearce Subject: Re: Listen vs. Hear - was Re: allofmp3s.com?? and itunes?? Patrick Green writes, >The entire dialogue about loss of fidelity is interesting to me from >another perspective altogether. > >How often do you listen to music vs. actively try and hear what is >in the music? > >I'm not sure how exactly to phrase that, but it's the difference >between really listening deep vs. having the music as a reminder. > >I have a somewhat esoteric electronic set-up in place for my "deep >listening" and find the experience of the music in that context is >very different and more engaging than the iPod I use for casual >entertainment. > >Unfortunately, the more I get to know the subtleties of a piece, the >more "let down" I am by the iPod version. This isn't just >compression, it's total fidelity or "truth" to the original signal. > >In some way this speaks to me about the difference between direct >perception, and how we interpret and incorporate what is perceived >into our mental model of the world. > >Thoughts? All the difference in the world. This is why people still buy McIntosh Labs tube-style amplifiers and high-grade vinyl records. To the absolutely critical ear, even AIFF throws away subtle harmonics that can be invisible to most listeners. For this, the two devices have two different purposes. It's like iPod Video vs. HDTV. After a certain age, most of us have lost the ability to hear those subtleties anyway. Michael ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2007 21:40:06 -0600 From: Patrick Green Subject: Re: Listen vs. Hear - was Re: allofmp3s.com?? and itunes?? Gallo Nucleus Reference Spun Aluminum Sphere Speakers Spectron Musician II Amp Audia Flight Pre Marantz SA14 SACD Virutal Dynamics Cables Crystal clear. Can't afford any of it. But just love to hear Happy sing. And man can I ever hear... p On 3/8/07 7:26 PM, "Daniel" wrote: > > > (Who did I steal that from?) > > Patrick Green wrote: > >> I have a somewhat esoteric electronic set-up in place for my "deep >> listening" > > I am curious about this setup. > > Daniel > > [ALERT] -- Access Manager: This email is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain information that is privileged, confidential or otherwise protected from disclosure. Dissemination, distribution or copying of this e-mail or the information herein by anyone other than the intended recipient, or an employee or agent responsible for delivering the message to the intended recipient, is prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please immediately notify us by calling our North American Help Desk at (972)506-3939. Targetbase Messaging Services provided by DMSP ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2007 23:40:42 -0500 From: "Paul Blair" Subject: Re: Listen vs. Hear - was Re: allofmp3s.com?? and itunes?? On 3/8/07, Patrick Green wrote: > Gallo Nucleus Reference Spun Aluminum Sphere Speakers > ... > Crystal clear. Crystal orbs? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2007 23:42:56 -0500 From: "Paul Blair" Subject: Re: Noe Venable and Emily Bezar, May17 NYC; Noe Venable and Jacob Lawson March 17 NYC > okay, the May 17 show is not (yet) up on her website yet. being that > the venue was the same and no May show was listed, i (incorrectly) > concluded that Paul's announcement was wrong. I didn't realize the two dates were so similar, or I would have said something. As for its not being up on the website yet, "...ain't it great when you get a scoop?" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2007 23:47:54 -0500 From: "Paul Blair" Subject: Re: Noe Venable and Emily Bezar, May17 NYC; Noe Venable and Jacob Lawson March 17 NYC Oh, and while we're counting Noe Venable dates, let's not forget: Alice Bierhorst, Greta Gertler and Noe Venable Living Room (Googie's Lounge), March 15 which is for some reason not up on her site, but which is up on the Living Room site. http://www.livingroomny.com/music.html For the March 17 show at Rockwood Music Hall this is the lineup, taken from noevenable.com: Noe will be accompanied by Jacob Lawson on Violin, Richard Hammond on Bass, Greta Gertler on piano and harmonies, and Alice Bierhorst on harmonies and perhaps even drums. :) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2007 00:23:19 -0500 From: "Paul Blair" Subject: Ane Brun/Dorothy Scott A long time ago, I wrote: "I was struck by how much Ane Brun's voice sounds like Dorothy Scott's--Ane just needs a bit more warble in the upper registers to clinch it." Case in point: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jh3U81fgNOQ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2007 20:47:50 -0800 From: Paul Schreiber Subject: Re: new to me: susan enan, gretchen peters Carolyn Andre wrote: > At 01:39 AM 3/6/2007, Paul Schreiber wrote: >> My landlord recommended susan, and my friend Tash saw Susan at Folk >> Alliance last month. Both sounds really good to me: >> http://www.myspace.com/susanenan >> http://www.myspace.com/gretchenpeters > > Gee, another reason to regret not making this year's Folk > Alliance! Susan Enan in the US! Eh, that was a typo. It was Gretchen at FA. Paul shad 96c / uw cs 2001 / mac activist / fumbler / eda / headliner / navy-souper fan of / sophie b. / steve poltz / habs / bills / 49ers / well in case you failed to notice / in case you failed to see / this is my heart bleeding before you / this is me down on my knees / - --Jewel Kilcher, "Foolish Games" ------------------------------ End of ecto-digest V13 #57 **************************