From: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org (ecto-digest) To: ecto-digest@smoe.org Subject: ecto-digest V13 #15 Reply-To: ecto@smoe.org Sender: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk ecto-digest Monday, January 22 2007 Volume 13 : Number 015 To unsubscribe: e-mail ecto-digest-request@smoe.org and put the word unsubscribe in the message body. Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Cowboy Junkies at Joe's Pub ["Paul Blair" ] Re: Cowboy Junkies at Joe's Pub [wojbearpig ] Re: Cowboy Junkies at Joe's Pub ["Paul Blair" ] Susan McKeown tonight at S.O.B.s in NYC? ["Paul Blair" ] Re: Susan McKeown tonight at S.O.B.s in NYC? [Carolyn Andre ] Re: Lisa Gerrard article [birdie ] Re: Cassette owners [Neile Graham ] re: cassette [Lisa ] Re: Cowboy Junkies at Joe's Pub [Nadyne Mielke ] Re: Cowboy Junkies at Joe's Pub ["Paul Blair" ] Re: Cassette owners ["F.J.Fornorn" ] Re: Susan McKeown tonight at S.O.B.s in NYC? ["Paul Blair" ] re: cassette [jonathan harrison ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2007 09:03:08 -0500 From: "Paul Blair" Subject: Re: Cowboy Junkies at Joe's Pub You sure don't recall my posting--and there's a few other things you don't remember too... It started like this: > I was the beneficiary of Meth 'n' Woj's decision to forsake the Cowboy Junkies > in New Haven in favor of seeing Susan McKeown in New York HA - gotcha! On 1/21/07, meredith wrote: > Ahh ... I don't recall the posting, but damn, do I ever remember that show. :) CJ blew > me away, I hardly even noticed those assholes in the back. *g* ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2007 11:19:36 -0500 From: wojbearpig Subject: Re: Cowboy Junkies at Joe's Pub one time at band camp, Paul Blair said: > You sure don't recall my posting--and there's a few other things you > don't remember too... It started like this: > >> I was the beneficiary of Meth 'n' Woj's decision to forsake the Cowboy >> Junkies >> in New Haven in favor of seeing Susan McKeown in New York > > HA - gotcha! hah! i think meredith is thinking of the february 2000 show at toad's place. as i remember that, it was a pretty good show but nothing like the a year and a half before at the chance in poughkeepsie. after that gig, i wanted nothing more than to be margot timmins' lap dog for the rest of my life. maybe it was the environs since toad's is a bit of a hole and, unless you're right up at the stage, it's hard to really connect with the music, particularly when the place is packed. that was one of the shows they diaried and they seemed to agree: http://www.cowboyjunkies.com/exclusives/tourdiary/pastentries/newhaven0228.html they have a couple pictures of "fortress yale" as well as over the rhine playing the night before at koffee?, a local ... wait for it ... coffee place which we went to as well. that was pretty fun, especially when people standing around realized that margot was the one selling over the rhine's cds. ;) woj n.p. throwing muses -- some show from 1995 broadcast on cbc p.s. llama llama duck! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2007 14:06:31 -0500 From: "Paul Blair" Subject: Re: Cowboy Junkies at Joe's Pub woj wrote: > as i remember that, it was a pretty good show but nothing like the a > year and a half before at the chance in poughkeepsie. after that gig, i > wanted nothing more than to be margot timmins' lap dog for the rest of > my life. What, you don't still? > maybe it was the environs since toad's is a bit of a hole and, Toad in the hole? http://www.amazon.com/gp/music/wma-pop-up/B0000011P7001007/002-4804880-4011227 > p.s. llama llama duck! I can't believe I've never heard that. Because of my Argentine heritage, I've taken to characterizing myself as a guanaco, thank you. P.S. The author's name "Burton Earny," reminded me of the son of a friend of mine who was given to watching "Hernie and Dirt" on TV. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2007 14:09:47 -0500 From: "Paul Blair" Subject: Susan McKeown tonight at S.O.B.s in NYC? I have her down for 7pm tonight with the Klezmatics. Anyone know anything about this? Does Susan still have an email distribution list? I never find out about her shows until the last minute anymore, and never hear anything at all from Sheila-na-gig music. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2007 14:26:53 -0500 From: wojbearpig Subject: Re: Susan McKeown tonight at S.O.B.s in NYC? one time at band camp, Paul Blair said: > I have her down for 7pm tonight with the Klezmatics. Anyone know > anything about this? it's listed on her website ... and a quick trip to sob's site confirms it: http://www.sobs.com/african/2007/0121.html SUNDAY JANUARY 21 SOBs African Concerts Presents: Hugh Masekela & The Klezmatics 1st show Doors: 6:30 pm Act 1 :7:15 pm-8:00 pm - Hugh Masekela Act 2: 8:15 pm - 9:00 pm - Klezmatics 2nd Show Doors: 9:30 pm Act 1: 10:00 pm -10:45 pm Klezmatics Act 2: 11:00 pm - 11:45 pm Hugh Masekela Admission: $25 in advance/ $30 day of show i also know we're not going because we'll be watching football. go pats! > Does Susan still have an email distribution list? I never find out > about her shows until the last minute anymore, and never hear anything > at all from Sheila-na-gig music. yes, but it's, as you say, rather sporadic and untimely. woj ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2007 13:54:39 -0600 From: Carolyn Andre Subject: Re: Susan McKeown tonight at S.O.B.s in NYC? At 01:09 PM 1/21/2007, Paul Blair wrote: >Does Susan still have an email distribution list? I never find out >about her shows until the last minute anymore, and never hear anything >at all from Sheila-na-gig music. well, according to her website the "S*bscribe" link refers people to Mike Curry's curiouser mailing list. Which isn't particularly active at this time. But, I did get an email from [susanmckeown-announce] - I think the mailing list you're thinking of - at the end of December, although it only had a few points of news and no tour info. And, as you obviously already found out, neither her website nor her MySpace page have any details about the SOBS gig. It could be that she's so busy with recent travel to Ireland and the Klezmatics gigs that she hasn't had time to keep things up-to-date herself or with her webfolks. BTW - Susan's label/music co is now Hibernian Music hibernian@earthlink.net Regards, Carolyn Andre - --- candre@house-of-music.com Chicago, IL / USA Support Independent Music! Use the Internet http://house-of-music.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2007 12:59:39 -0700 From: neal copperman Subject: Mariana Sadowska (was Re: Susan McKeown tonight at S.O.B.s in NYC?) Susan and the Klezmatics is a great night, but having Hugh Masakela on the bill really elevates it even further. Wow! I just saw Ukrainian singer Mariana Sadowski again last night. She's pretty amazing. She was last here in 2004 and totally blew me away, and it was the same again this time. I've never heard her recorded music, but I can wholeheartedly recommend her in concert. Fans of Iva Bittova and more traditional Eastern European singing will be guaranteed to enjoy the show. She accompanies herself on harmonium and seems to channel the different voices of an entire Ukrainian village throughout the course of an evening. neal . At 2:26 PM -0500 1/21/07, wojbearpig wrote: >one time at band camp, Paul Blair said: >>I have her down for 7pm tonight with the Klezmatics. Anyone know >>anything about this? > >it's listed on her website ... and a quick trip to sob's site confirms it: > >http://www.sobs.com/african/2007/0121.html > >SUNDAY JANUARY 21 >SOBs African Concerts >Presents: > >Hugh Masekela & The Klezmatics > >1st show >Doors: 6:30 pm >Act 1 :7:15 pm-8:00 pm - Hugh Masekela >Act 2: 8:15 pm - 9:00 pm - Klezmatics > >2nd Show >Doors: 9:30 pm >Act 1: 10:00 pm -10:45 pm Klezmatics >Act 2: 11:00 pm - 11:45 pm Hugh Masekela > >Admission: >$25 in advance/ $30 day of show > >i also know we're not going because we'll be watching football. go pats! > >>Does Susan still have an email distribution list? I never find out >>about her shows until the last minute anymore, and never hear anything >>at all from Sheila-na-gig music. > >yes, but it's, as you say, rather sporadic and untimely. > >woj ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 08:01:35 +1100 From: andrew fries Subject: Re: Lisa Gerrard article Paul Blair wrote: > It's all very nice Lisa Gerrard's upholding the virtue of integrity, > but is there really that much difference between loyalty to nothing, > and loyalty to something that is entirely arbitrary? Well, yes... the difference between "nothing" and "something" is quite pronounced. As for "arbitrary", that basically means "based on one's own opinion". That is supposed to be a good thing in principle at least, though not necessarily in the workplace... and that is the point. Art is not supposed to be work in that sense. For me at least, the whole point of doing something creative is to be free from obligations and restraints imposed by the merchants, bankers, lawyers and other lower life forms. If she has the luxury of not participating in projects she doesn't like or care about for any reason - good for her. If only we could follow her example! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2007 13:41:06 -0800 From: birdie Subject: Re: Lisa Gerrard article It appears, she has spent a good deal of time studying the songs and sounds made by birds, reptiles, animals and...yes, plants and trees in nature. The wind blowing over wild reeds is how the flute came to be... Every environment produces it's own sound. And, there is a purpose and real intent with all sounds creatures make.... Mostly to do with survival. not art. But then, nature is abstract art in its finest form. Some of the man made stuff, I'd beg to differ. But hey, even the colourful swirls from gasoline spilled on water could qualify. It could just kill you - if you were a songbird. So, who's insane? The songbird or the person who spilled the gasoline? The disconnected at the end of the day, are the insane. That's all I can she meant..... Cheers Birdie rew fries wrote: > Paul Blair wrote: > >> It's all very nice Lisa Gerrard's upholding the virtue of integrity, >> but is there really that much difference between loyalty to nothing, >> and loyalty to something that is entirely arbitrary? > > > Well, yes... the difference between "nothing" and "something" is quite > pronounced. As for "arbitrary", that basically means "based on one's > own opinion". That is supposed to be a good thing in principle at > least, though not necessarily in the workplace... and that is the > point. Art is not supposed to be work in that sense. For me at least, > the whole point of doing something creative is to be free from > obligations and restraints imposed by the merchants, bankers, lawyers > and other lower life forms. > > If she has the luxury of not participating in projects she doesn't > like or care about for any reason - good for her. If only we could > follow her example! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 15:21:14 -0800 From: Neile Graham Subject: Re: Cassette owners Oh, I didn't see the trail was that long from the original material. Yes, that wouldn't be so very listenable...though I have a couple of tracks that are third generation because that's the only way I could get them. - --Neile At 12:24 PM -0800 1/17/07, Neile Graham wrote: >I've been happy with the ones I've done. They just have a little >character, that's all. > >So many tracks nowadays have faked vinyl sound. At least these are >real! > >--Neile > >On Wed, 17 Jan 2007, Kim Justice wrote: > >> Oooh! A CD-R of a cassette of a vinyl LP! >> >> SSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSpopSSSSSSSSSSclick >> SSSSSSSSSSSSclickSSSSSSSSclickSSSSpopSSSSSSSSSSclickSSSSS >> >> cringing kj - -- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Neile Graham .... neile@sff.net/@drizzle.com ... www.sff.net/people/neile Les Semaines: A Weekly Journal ........ www.sff.net/people/neile/semaines Editor, The Ectophiles' Guide to Good Music ........... www.ectoguide.org Workshop Administrator, Clarion West ................ www.clarionwest.org ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2007 09:58:08 -0600 From: Lisa Subject: re: cassette Meth spake: "So long as your sound card has stereo RCA inputs, all you need is a piece of software." Which software? I have tons of old cassettes that I ran parallel to my 1/2 track master mixes back in the day when I worked at a recording studio. The cassettes we used were pretty high quality, and since I was recording directly from the mix, the only tape hiss other than that of the cassette was the analog multitrack tape. I'd love to hear that stuff again, and I'd be hard pressed to put my hands on a 1/4" analog 1/2 track machine these days to play my mixes. Thanks....Lisa ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2007 17:03:43 -0800 From: Nadyne Mielke Subject: Re: Cowboy Junkies at Joe's Pub On 1/20/07 9:49 PM, "Paul Blair" wrote: > (Do ectophiles use the word "geese" to describe people who talk over > the music at shows? I see it a lot on the CJ forums, but I don't think > I've seen it here. It would be a good addition to the ecto vocabulary, > particularly since at the Connecticut ectofests one always had to be > very careful to avoid the goose poop on the lawn.) That's a term from Michael Timmins himself. He refers to people who chat through the shows as geese, and it caught on in the message boards on their website. You can find it used in several of their tour diary entries. Calling their fans 'llamas' is another in-joke from their message boards, hence the name of their live album 'In the Time Before Llamas'. /nm - -- Nadyne Mielke nadyne@little-blue-world.org Little Blue World http://www.little-blue-world.org/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2007 22:10:13 -0500 From: Tom Masapollo Subject: Re: Cassette owners "So long as your sound card has stereo RCA inputs, all you need is a piece of software." Hello, I would be interested to know how to do this. I have music on cassettes that don't exist in any other form. (some LP's & 45's too) What type of software would I need to do this? thanks in advance, tom ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2007 23:14:54 -0500 From: "Paul Blair" Subject: Re: Cowboy Junkies at Joe's Pub On 1/21/07, Nadyne Mielke wrote: > > Calling their fans 'llamas' is another in-joke from their message boards, > hence the name of their live album 'In the Time Before Llamas'. I only learned about this when I was on the Junkies train, and then a lot of other things (like that album title) suddenly made sense. I hear that the term originated with a post from Michael Timmins about the different sounds he could make with his guitar, one of them being that of a spitting llama. And then the community took it from there... BTW, I only caught the reference to "llama llama duck" when I looked it up and found this: http://albinoblacksheep.com/flash/llama.php ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2007 23:16:22 -0500 From: "F.J.Fornorn" Subject: Re: Cassette owners First off, the statement about RCA inputs is not restrictively true. Any card with an audio input, most of them using 1/8" stereo mini- plugs, can be used. This includes laptops. You just need to connect them using a cable with the 1/8" plug on one end with an RCA stereo connection on your amplifier end. Usually the best thing to use is the AUX output of your amp, or if you don't have that, a Tape Out should work. The best software I have found for this sort of thing is now known as Adobe Audition. It was once Cool Edit or Cool Edit Pro. It's Windows only. It works with the Windows audio controls to capture analog audio. Once you have it in Audition, there are amazing things you can do, if you are willing to climb the learning curve. The feature I used the most for transferring cassettes and vinyl to CD was the noise reduction routines. Basically, you record the leader of the LP or cassette and use that "silence" to define a noise profile. Then you tell it to remove that from the rest of the recording. Works quite well. I mainly use a Mac now, and the closest thing I have found in the free/shareware arena there is Audacity. It should be able to do the job of recording the material. I haven't explored it deep enough to tell you whether it can do the noise reduction that Audition can do. On Jan 21, 2007, at 10:10 PM, Tom Masapollo wrote: > "So long as your sound card has stereo RCA inputs, all you need is > a piece of software." > > Hello, > > I would be interested to know how to do this. I have music on > cassettes that don't exist in any other form. (some LP's & 45's too) > What type of software would I need to do this? > > thanks in advance, > tom ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2007 23:34:42 -0500 From: "Paul Blair" Subject: Re: Susan McKeown tonight at S.O.B.s in NYC? So, I went off to S.O.B.s this evening (stands, BTW, for "Sounds of Brazil," which I didn't know) and saw Hugh Masakela and the Klezmatics. It was interesting to compare S.O.B.s and Joe's Pub. They're both similar in many ways, though I think S.O.B.s is a slightly bigger room. The bar at the back is not so long, and the area around it probably isn't as big; on the other hand, people seemed to be standing all over the place so I guess there's more standing room. There definitely seemed to be more tables to sit at, and more floor space around the tables. Menu seems only slightly less expensive than that at Joe's Pub, if that, and the table minimum is $20 per person instead of $12. Food is elegant, Brazilian-themed. Maybe it was because it was Sunday night, but I didn't need a dinner reservation; lots of tables were not claimed although there was a pretty big crowd. The best aspect of the space by comparison with Joe's Pub is that the stage is above the crowd instead of below it, which makes it easier to see. The Association of Performing Arts Presenters was apparently out in force again, which is apparently why they tried to cram both Hugh Masakela and the Klezmatics onto the same bill, which didn't work too well. Hugh Masakela didn't go on until around 7:30, and played for about an hour or a little more, which meant that the Klezmatics didn't go on until 9, and played until 10. (The second show was supposed to start at 10:00.) At least they put the Klezmatics on first for the second show, so they didn't have to set up again. When I came in, at the bar area a couple of representatives from LIFEBeat had a little table where they were handing out free condoms and some AIDS awareness literature. Given the general age/income/education level of that crowd this wasn't the most effective use of their efforts, but maybe they got the attention of some industry people. Hugh Masakela was quite entertaining on stage; it's not the kind of music I listen to much, but I enjoyed the show. The Klezmatics didn't perform all that much of what I think of as klezmer music (which is actually fine by me); they had arranged a bunch of Woodie Guthrie songs--apparently he'd left behind a large volume of songs that never got published, and it was awhile before they saw the light. Susan and Boo Reiners joined the band for most of these, with Susan doing vocals or backing vocals, and Boo Reiners playing 6- and 12-string electric guitars and banjo (not all at once). Apparently Woodie Guthrie's wife was Jewish, so he wrote Jewish songs as well, including Hanukkah songs (Rufus Wainwright, take note). We got to hear one, "Eight are the days of Hanukkah/Happy, joyous Hannukah"--which runs analogously to "The Twelve Days of Christmas." I asked Susan after the show if she ever dreamed when she left Ireland that she'd be singing Woodie Guthrie Hanukkah songs with a klezmer band, and she agreed it was rather unlikely. But apparently she's had her hands quite full lately and the tour with the Klezmatics gave her the opportunity to get back out performing. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2007 21:00:23 -0800 From: Neile Graham Subject: Re: Cassette owners >I mainly use a Mac now, and the closest thing I have found in the >free/shareware arena there is Audacity. It should be able to do the >job of recording the material. I haven't explored it deep enough to >tell you whether it can do the noise reduction that Audition can do. > The Mac program I use is one Neal Copperman recommended, and I like it a lot: Sound Studio. It's not freeware, but it's relatively inexpensive as such things go. About $60 if I recall correctly. I know nothing about PC software. - --Neile - -- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Neile Graham .... neile@sff.net/@drizzle.com ... www.sff.net/people/neile Les Semaines: A Weekly Journal ........ www.sff.net/people/neile/semaines Editor, The Ectophiles' Guide to Good Music ........... www.ectoguide.org Workshop Administrator, Clarion West ................ www.clarionwest.org ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2007 23:21:58 -0600 From: jonathan harrison Subject: re: cassette try GoldWave at http://www.goldwave.com/: a very full-featured program (free, even, as a fully-functional shareware version) that is the best I've found so far (though I admittedly stopped looking when I found it) ` Jonathan On Thu, 18 Jan 2007 09:58:08 -0600 Lisa writes: > Meth spake: > "So long as your sound card has stereo RCA inputs, all you need is a > > piece of software." > > Which software? > > I have tons of old cassettes that I ran parallel to my 1/2 track > master > mixes back in the day when I worked at a recording studio. The > cassettes > we used were pretty high quality, and since I was recording directly > > from the mix, the only tape hiss other than that of the cassette was > the > analog multitrack tape. I'd love to hear that stuff again, and I'd > be > hard pressed to put my hands on a 1/4" analog 1/2 track machine > these > days to play my mixes. > > Thanks....Lisa ------------------------------ End of ecto-digest V13 #15 **************************