From: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org (ecto-digest) To: ecto-digest@smoe.org Subject: ecto-digest V12 #197 Reply-To: ecto@smoe.org Sender: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk ecto-digest Thursday, July 27 2006 Volume 12 : Number 197 To unsubscribe: e-mail ecto-digest-request@smoe.org and put the word unsubscribe in the message body. Today's Subjects: ----------------- Recent changes to the Ectophiles' Guide ["The Ectophiles' Guide" ] RE: eeekwhatsthis? Vienna Teng ["Collected Sounds" <2345@collectedsounds.] Re: Boston Market very ecto friendly. [Tim Jones-Yelvington ] Re: The Devics? [Craig Gidney ] Heather Duby [Craig Gidney ] Re: sexism in music? no? really? [Michael Pearce ] merrie amsterburg news [wojbearpig ] Re: Boston Market very ecto friendly. ["robert bristow-johnson" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 04:17:11 -0700 From: "The Ectophiles' Guide" Subject: Recent changes to the Ectophiles' Guide Latest changes to the Ectophiles' Guide 25 July 2006 New Guide entries added for: * alasvals * Renee Asteria * The Cocktail Revisionists * Inner * Laguna! * Greg Laswell * Abbie Lathe * Sophie Moleta * Sam Phillips * Purr Machine * Red Molly * Mindy Smith * Tanisha Taitt * Tara Fuki * Taxi Doll Changes made to the entries for: * 10,000 Maniacs (additional compilation) * Merrie Amsterburg (new album) * Cat Power (new album) * Patty Griffin (additional live album info) * Sarah Harmer (new album) - -------------------------------------------------------------------------- You are receiving this email because you have asked to be notified of updates to the Ectophiles' Guide to Good Music at http://www.ectoguide.org/. If you are no longer interested in receiving these notifications, please unsubscribe yourself using the form at http://www.ectoguide.org/guide.cgi?newsubscribe&action=unsubscribe ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 11:33:37 -0400 From: breinheimer@webtv.net (bill) Subject: Re: Boston Market very ecto friendly. Does Sheryl Crow's "Home" count? I must admit that I've been known to enjoy the music that I've heard there.I'm not sure that I ever hear talking in these places like you would sometimes hear on satellite radio. I believe that many stores play music "sent" to them from corporate. This past weekend I had the "pleasure" of being in two separate Old Navy stores on back to back days and recognized the same sequence of songs (a jazzy tune, "ready, steady, go" and a rap tune- trying unsuccessfully to appeal to everybody) being played at each one. This may be meaningless to the young'uns on this list but as someone old enough to remember the horrors of early Muzak I tend to find the aural aspect of shopping and eating in public a vast improvement over the old days. I can still remember the pleasant shock of walking into an old department store and hearing Hot Tuna's"Water Song" But my biggest surprise came in a Kmart. I heard some loud music and when I went toward the source I found some sort of cheap "light show" device accompanying the Velvet Underground classic "What Goes On". Attention Kmart shoppers indeed. Anyone else old enough here to have shared these kind of experiences? np: Nick Drake- Made to Love Magic not so much new music as it is different but I'll happily take what I can get ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 18:43:39 -0500 From: "Kim Justice" Subject: Those Dratted Noise Pollution Units (was: Boston Market very ecto friendly) On 7/26/06, bill wrote: > This past weekend I had the "pleasure" of being in two separate Old Navy > stores on back to back days and recognized the same sequence of songs (a > jazzy tune, "ready, steady, go" and a rap tune- trying unsuccessfully to > appeal to everybody) being played at each one. This is more akin to my experience of being in places of commerce, subjected to what Robert Fripp in his online diary refers to as NPUs (Noise Pollution Units): . The vast majority of the time, I find the music played in public places objectionable, even if only slightly so. They impinge on my personal space without invitation, like a horrid smell. The sudden disappearance of music played everywhere would enhance my enjoyment of life. The worst offender that comes to mind is the retail chain Abercrombie & Fitch. I don't shop there, but their annoying soundtrack is played at such volume that it is clearly audible (sometimes with an accompanying thumping in my chest) from several meters outside their stores. No good reason for that if you axe me. They get away with it because almost no one questions their apparent right to blast passersby with their thumpy dance music. > This may be meaningless to the young'uns on this list but as someone old > enough to remember the horrors of early Muzak I tend to find the aural > aspect of shopping and eating in public a vast improvement over the old > days. I can't say I agree. Muzak in its old form (the company still exists but provides soundtracks for purchasing using preexisting commercial music), i.e. goofy orchestral covers of popular tunes, was mildly amusing -- and it wasn't omnipresent, the way music in stores, malls, restaurants, coffeeshops, et cetera now is. > [remembrance of pleasant music-for-commerce surprises] Anyone else old enough here > to have shared these kind of experiences? Yep. However, it reminds me of the old joke with the punch line "There's got to be a pony in here somewhere!" One must needs endure an awful lot of dross to get a gem; to me, it's not worth it. I have good gem-hunting tools already. The Ecto list, for example. The omnipresence of a soundtrack to our daily activities cheapens music. The experience of silence or normal ambient indoor sounds is seldom objectionable. The best expression of how I feel about music in public places is in the film "The Unbearable Lightness of Being": Sabina is in a restaurant with her lover and says to their waiter, "We are not *eating* shit. Why are we *listening* to shit?" Not to offend but, as you can no doubt tell, I have a bee in my bonnet about this topic. And that damned bee's buzzing is driving me CRAZY! :) kj - -- Kim Justice justicekw@gmail.com 615.406.4579 (uses no mins if you have Verizon Wireless!) "There can always be new beginnings -- even for people like us." -- Susan Ivanova ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 18:10:46 -0600 From: neal copperman Subject: The Devics? Anyone know about this band? They just played here last week. Unfortunately, I first heard their music this week, so I didn't know to go to the show. I heard two songs in my local record store - one with female lead, the other with maile lead. Song one was a serious Cocteau Twins/Lush inspired delight. Song two came on strong like the Red House Painters (if that isn't a contradiction right there!), with the female singer joining in later. Both were enough to make me stop and take notice. Comments? neal np: Something in the Water - Sally Shuffield (A very agreeable bluegrass inflected folk sound) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 19:05:09 -0500 From: "Collected Sounds" <2345@collectedsounds.com> Subject: RE: eeekwhatsthis? Vienna Teng I put some stuff up on my blog awhile back...photos and stuff: About the record: http://www.blog.collectedsounds.com/?p=78 Back when she first singed: http://www.blog.collectedsounds.com/?p=62 My spotlight on her has one of her hottie new photos and links to a bunch of stuff. http://collectedsounds.com/spotlight/viennateng.html Not to be too much of a self-promoter ;) But I think you should be able to view my site anywhere. If that's not true I'd be curious to know why. ~Amy Lotsberg Producer, Collected Sounds - a Guide to Women in Music www.collectedsounds.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 19:11:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Jones-Yelvington Subject: Re: Boston Market very ecto friendly. Muzak CDs and systems (as well as other corporate piped-in music) are also becoming huge places alongside commercials, television, etc, for pushing new or lesser-known artists, for the same licensing fee (lesser-knowns are cheaper) reasons as TV and commercials. People tired of a clear-channel-dominated radio landscape are starting to realize this and seek out new stuff in these environments. And I don't think it's just music snobs, but also a lot of ordinary people who are like, "What's that song I heard on Grey's Anatomy last night? Where can I find it?" I know this because they all come up to me at work and ask me, as they know I'm a compulsive music-listener. I can tell you that during the past several years at Crate and Barrel (where I work), there's been a definite shift from collections of well-worn older songs from various eras to more contemporary fare... recent collections have included stuff from Roisin Murphy, Maria Taylor, Death Cab, Miranda Lee Richards, Sia, Corinne Bailey Rae (omg the hype machine really needs to calm down. I dislike her strongly and I've only heard the one song), etc... tim j-y bill wrote: Does Sheryl Crow's "Home" count? I must admit that I've been known to enjoy the music that I've heard there.I'm not sure that I ever hear talking in these places like you would sometimes hear on satellite radio. I believe that many stores play music "sent" to them from corporate. This past weekend I had the "pleasure" of being in two separate Old Navy stores on back to back days and recognized the same sequence of songs (a jazzy tune, "ready, steady, go" and a rap tune- trying unsuccessfully to appeal to everybody) being played at each one. This may be meaningless to the young'uns on this list but as someone old enough to remember the horrors of early Muzak I tend to find the aural aspect of shopping and eating in public a vast improvement over the old days. I can still remember the pleasant shock of walking into an old department store and hearing Hot Tuna's"Water Song" But my biggest surprise came in a Kmart. I heard some loud music and when I went toward the source I found some sort of cheap "light show" device accompanying the Velvet Underground classic "What Goes On". Attention Kmart shoppers indeed. Anyone else old enough here to have shared these kind of experiences? np: Nick Drake- Made to Love Magic not so much new music as it is different but I'll happily take what I can get ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 19:14:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Jones-Yelvington Subject: Re: The Devics? I only know their song "The Key" which was used on one of the Buffy soundtracks... it's quite spectacular and I've been meaning to listen to the rest of their stuff for a while. The music supervisor for Buffy also has a great story about discovering them in an LA club. He frequently sought out lesser-known acts to feature on the show. Which is why Buffy hasn't had to swap any of its music for DVD release like some other television shows. tim j-y neal copperman wrote: Anyone know about this band? They just played here last week. Unfortunately, I first heard their music this week, so I didn't know to go to the show. I heard two songs in my local record store - one with female lead, the other with maile lead. Song one was a serious Cocteau Twins/Lush inspired delight. Song two came on strong like the Red House Painters (if that isn't a contradiction right there!), with the female singer joining in later. Both were enough to make me stop and take notice. Comments? neal np: Something in the Water - Sally Shuffield (A very agreeable bluegrass inflected folk sound) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 19:24:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Craig Gidney Subject: Re: The Devics? They are mostly a female based band that makes dreamy, Mazzy Star style pop. STARS AT ANDREA & the new one are recommended for lounge jazz and atmospheric rock. They are on the Cocteau Twins label, Bella Union, if that gives you any idea of what they sound like. The woman sounds like Tanya Donnelly and the guy like Mark K of RPH. --Craig neal copperman wrote: Anyone know about this band? They just played here last week. Unfortunately, I first heard their music this week, so I didn't know to go to the show. I heard two songs in my local record store - one with female lead, the other with maile lead. Song one was a serious Cocteau Twins/Lush inspired delight. Song two came on strong like the Red House Painters (if that isn't a contradiction right there!), with the female singer joining in later. Both were enough to make me stop and take notice. Comments? neal np: Something in the Water - Sally Shuffield (A very agreeable bluegrass inflected folk sound) - --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2"/min or less. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 19:55:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Craig Gidney Subject: Heather Duby Just heard the new Heather Duby. She sounds amazingly like Lynn Canfield--same sweetly husky voice. The new sound is midway between moody indie rock and bedroom electronica. She also does a cover of...Pat Benatar's "Love Is A Battlefield"! (A hidden track). --Craig Blog: http://ethereal-lad.livejournal.com Music Blog: http://www.last.fm/user/ethereal_lad/ Next-gen email? Have it all with the all-new Yahoo! Mail Beta. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 20:02:18 -0700 From: Michael Pearce Subject: Re: sexism in music? no? really? At 1:55 AM -0400 7/25/06, cyo wrote: > >Subject: > >actually Andrew, yes,it is a sexist issue, that's not all it is, but yes, I >have to say the Music Biz is completely and totally sexist. Anyone that >says it's not is lying to themselves or in denial or never seen behind the >curtain. Rock/Pop is stilI completely dominated by male artists. Alt is >also. Watch MTV for 2 hours and tell me how many male groups vs. female, >and if the females are in a group, actual musicians or just single front >babes like Christina/Brit/Beyonsi sans band, (who is making the music?) or >sexy front girls like Black Eyed Peas. It is still totally not accepted on >equal ground. Remember the big deal over Allaniss and her hit? Why? Because >she was in your face, angry and powerful, all things average for MTV >boys...but a woman! Rocking! Screaming? woooooooo > > >You bring up American Idol. Didn't an older gray haired just 'ok looking' >man in his 40s just win? Don't I see him on car commercials now singing bad >blues-lite jazz to sell cars? Have any female singers over 23 (the cut off >age for women) ever won American Idol and I just missed the hoopla? (could >be, I rarely watch tv) I hear you. I am seeing interesting exceptions on the program "Rock Star: Supernova." Normally I would not care about such a band, or a show, but I am watching to see local star Storm Large compete for the lead-singer part. Storm is 37 and is knocking them out with each performance. Voters are keeping her out of the bottom three although they don't post individual weekly ratings. Her normal sound includes powerful versions of show tunes, show-tune stylings of grunge and metal, but in this competition the job is to simply blow away the audience, the viewers, and the band judges with hardcore, in-your-face concert rock. Most of the others are pretty good, too, although only a couple would I like to see again, and one of them would probably make a better lead for Supernova; Storm should stick with her band the Balls and the publicity from this show will do her good. The contestants are 50% female; some would do better on their own as solo artists and the judges said so. They like them, but just not for their own band. Others are just marginal, although better than most of the crooners that make it onto Amerikan Idull! >Andrew said; >>Yes, the executives want their artists to be marketable, which >according to their market research means young and pretty. ...None >of this is actually gender-dependent.<< > >It is unfortunately. Not even half of all the boy bands are young and >pretty. That's the girls. What "ugly"women have made it since Janis in the >60s? (and she was given so much shit, even with that one of a kind voice) >Imagine, if you will, the Red Hot Chili Peppers as ugly leaping women in >tight pants in their late 30s..can you see it? No female with a face like >Flea will ever be seen on TV. Imagine Green Day as girls, think it would go >over as well? OK, (this one's fun) now imagine the Rolling Stones as >wrinkled skinny drugged out world weary older women in leather, touring >the world in their late 50s....come on, not gender dependant. Ha. Where >are the older female greats? Where is Joni Mitchell? And would Joni make >it today, coming up in the Beyonci-Brittany-babe world? One of the most >influencial writers and singers of the last century....nope, not quite cute >enough. Well they are all hot and pretty; it is still tough for a Souxsie Souix to make it anywhere, but it's nice to see that there is still room for pure talent and power in that most macho of musicks. Michael ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 23:21:39 -0400 From: wojbearpig Subject: merrie amsterburg news anybody get sirius radio? anybody wanna record this for me? anybody wanna join me in cursing subscription radio? woj - ----- Forwarded message from Ed Valauskas ----- Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 18:26:26 -0400 Subject: Merrie Amsterburg on Sirius Satellite - 8/2 - NOON From: Ed Valauskas Hello Merrie9s List - Merrie Amsterburg will perform on Vin Scelsa's show "Idiot's Delight" on Sirius Sateliite Radio on Wednesday Aug 2 from noon-2pm. One of the most respected figures in NYC radio, Vin Scelsa, can now be heard live every Wednesday and Thursday at noon, bringing his free-flowing mix of music, monologues and live performances and interviews with a wide range of guests to SIRIUS Disorder. Whether he spends the program time with guests - encouraging them to speak on a range of subjects beyond their own projects - or alone in his home studio, going one-on-one with listeners and tapping into his vast personal music library - it is Scelsa's sensibility and eclectic tastes that make Idiot's Delight a unique radio journey. (Rebroadcasts air Sunday 8 pm ET w/ instant replay & additional replay Thursday 1 am ET) Be sure to check it out if you have Sirius. Here's Vin's link to check out: http://www.sirius.com/servlet/ContentServer?pagename=Sirius/Page&c=FlexContent&cid=1117220859436 Upcoming Shows: Friday 8/11 The Paradise Lounge, Boston, MA WBOS Show w/ Greg Johnson - http://www.gregjohnson.co.nz/ Friday 9/22 The Paradise Lounge, Boston, MA w/ Anne Heaton, Rachael Cantu Don9t forget to pick up Merrie9s new CD - Clementine and Other Stories Available at http://www.qdivision.com - -- http://www.merrieamsterburg.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 22:13:44 -0500 From: "robert bristow-johnson" Subject: Re: Boston Market very ecto friendly. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tim Jones-Yelvington" > To: ecto@smoe.org > Subject: Re: Boston Market very ecto friendly. > Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 19:11:21 -0700 (PDT) > > I can still remember the pleasant shock of walking into an old > department store and hearing Hot Tuna's"Water Song" that's a cool one. and it dates back a long time. it's about the only Hot Tuna that i *really* like (maybe not, i'll have to listen again, but i think so). burgers, - -- r b-j rbj@audioimagination.com "Imagination is more important than knowledge." ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2006 00:49:51 -0400 From: DanS <2005.carnivore99@verizon.net> Subject: Re: merrie amsterburg news I'll do it for you, just shoot me a reminder on Wednesday morning. Might as well get some use out of my subscription fee this month, otherwise I've barely listened to it. Dan At 11:21 PM 7/26/2006, wojbearpig wrote: >anybody get sirius radio? anybody wanna record this for me? anybody wanna >join me in cursing subscription radio? > >woj > >----- Forwarded message from Ed Valauskas ----- > >Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 18:26:26 -0400 >Subject: Merrie Amsterburg on Sirius Satellite - 8/2 - NOON >From: Ed Valauskas > >Hello Merrie9s List - Merrie Amsterburg will perform on Vin Scelsa's show >"Idiot's Delight" on Sirius Sateliite Radio on Wednesday Aug 2 from >noon-2pm. > >One of the most respected figures in NYC radio, Vin Scelsa, can now be heard >live every Wednesday and Thursday at noon, bringing his free-flowing mix of >music, monologues and live performances and interviews with a wide range of >guests to SIRIUS Disorder. Whether he spends the program time with guests - >encouraging them to speak on a range of subjects beyond their own projects - >or alone in his home studio, going one-on-one with listeners and tapping >into his vast personal music library - it is Scelsa's sensibility and >eclectic tastes that make Idiot's Delight a unique radio journey. >(Rebroadcasts air Sunday 8 pm ET w/ instant replay & additional replay >Thursday 1 am ET) > >Be sure to check it out if you have Sirius. > >Here's Vin's link to check out: > >http://www.sirius.com/servlet/ContentServer?pagename=Sirius/Page&c=FlexContent&cid=1117220859436 > >Upcoming Shows: > >Friday 8/11 The Paradise Lounge, Boston, MA WBOS Show w/ Greg >Johnson - http://www.gregjohnson.co.nz/ >Friday 9/22 The Paradise Lounge, Boston, MA w/ Anne Heaton, Rachael >Cantu > > > >Don9t forget to pick up Merrie9s new CD - Clementine and Other Stories > >Available at http://www.qdivision.com > > >-- >http://www.merrieamsterburg.com ------------------------------ End of ecto-digest V12 #197 ***************************