From: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org (ecto-digest) To: ecto-digest@smoe.org Subject: ecto-digest V12 #195 Reply-To: ecto@smoe.org Sender: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk ecto-digest Tuesday, July 25 2006 Volume 12 : Number 195 To unsubscribe: e-mail ecto-digest-request@smoe.org and put the word unsubscribe in the message body. Today's Subjects: ----------------- Steely Dan vs The Wilson Bros [adamk@zoom.co.uk] Re: 25 biggest wussies ["Runly" ] new Vienna Teng album tomorrow; sneak peek at NPR ["JoAnn Whetsell" ] Re: Anji Bee's Chillcast plays Happy! ["robert bristow-johnson" ] Re: sexism in music? no? really? ["Sue Trowbridge" ] Re: Boston Market very ecto-friendly! (Happy and Merrie!) [meredith Subject: Re: 25 biggest wussies by the time i got to kenny g, i needed a diaper! thanks for posting. absolutely not off topic. sharon ______________________________________ "This one time I was in a convenience store, and a guy came up and asked me, "Whats the score?" and I said, "What is the game? If it's a competition between me and you, and the object is to ask the other guy questions he doesn't give a shit about, then you are winning, one to nothing."Mitch Hedberg ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 15:34:31 -0400 From: "JoAnn Whetsell" Subject: new Vienna Teng album tomorrow; sneak peek at NPR Vienna Teng's new album, Dreaming Through the Noise, is out in the US tomorrow. NPR has a short piece on Vienna and Kaki King, who's also releasing her third album soon (next month). There are also 3 full-length songs from each of their albums. Check it out at http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5571184 JoAnn ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 16:13:38 EDT From: SpiritWe@aol.com Subject: **RACHAEL SAGE @ ROCKWOOD THIS WED** HEY Y'ALL! Rachael will be appearing (then disappearing!) this Wednesday at her very favorite intimate NY venue, The Rockwood. She'll be playing a bunch of *new* material with the magnificent Mr. Todd Sickafoose on bass - plus special guest Trina Hamlin on harmonica. * * * ALSO ON THE BILL: Rachael is thrilled to be sharing the stage with fellow piano diva Anna Dagmar. Anna's uplifting, rich voice and sophisticated songwriting captivated Rachael when they met earlier this year at a housconcert in SOHO. As a very wise young Debbie Gibson once sang: "Anything Is Possible"...and now here they are, making their collective debut, woo hoo! xoxo & light, Team MPress === Wed. July 26, 11pm B (Anna Dagmar plays at 10!) Rockwood Music Hall 196 Allen St. New York, NY www.rockwoodmusichall.com "Dexterous and haunting work, scored with dark emotional hues, rich chromatic chordings and surprising, adventurous changes. Musically sophisticated and accomplished work...standing tall next to any and all contemporary competition." b Philadelphia Daily News == RACHAEL SAGE ON TOUR NOW - VISIT WEBSITE FOR UPDATES! New CD "The Blistering Sun" in stores, at radio & on i-tunes now... www.annadagmar.com * www.myspace.com/annadagmar www.rachaelsage.com * www.myspace.com/rachaelsage ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 15:04:27 -0700 (PDT) From: "Xenu's Sister" Subject: Anju Bee's Chillcast plays Happy! Episode 22 http://thechillcast.podshow.com/ She plays Happy at the very beginning and talks a bit about her. She even mentions the Ectophiles Guide! Anji is now part of Ryan Lum's Lovespirals, which used to be Love Spirals Downwards when Suzanne Perry was singer. Anji Bee's MySpace page: http://www.myspace.com/anjibee Lovespirals MySpace page: http://www.myspace.com/lovespirals Love Spirals Downwards MySpace page: http://www.myspace.com/lovespiralsdownwards Pretty cool! Vickie - -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ Music, all I hear is music, guaranteed to please... Happy's MySpace profile: http://www.myspace.com/happyrhodes Happy Rhodes song samples and rarities: http://wretchawry.com - -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 15:05:09 -0700 (PDT) From: "Xenu's Sister" Subject: Anji Bee's Chillcast plays Happy! (corrected typo) Episode 22 http://thechillcast.podshow.com/ She plays Happy at the very beginning and talks a bit about her. She even mentions the Ectophiles Guide! Anji is now part of Ryan Lum's Lovespirals, which used to be Love Spirals Downwards when Suzanne Perry was singer. Anji Bee's MySpace page: http://www.myspace.com/anjibee Lovespirals MySpace page: http://www.myspace.com/lovespirals Love Spirals Downwards MySpace page: http://www.myspace.com/lovespiralsdownwards Pretty cool! Vickie - -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ Music, all I hear is music, guaranteed to please... Happy's MySpace profile: http://www.myspace.com/happyrhodes Happy Rhodes song samples and rarities: http://wretchawry.com - -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 23:42:17 +0100 From: "Summoner Marc" Subject: Re: Anju Bee's Chillcast plays Happy! Fantastic! It's so good to know people listen to Happy. Long time no talk Vick :P On 7/24/06, Xenu's Sister wrote: > > Episode 22 > http://thechillcast.podshow.com/ > > She plays Happy at the very beginning and talks a bit about her. > She even mentions the Ectophiles Guide! > > Anji is now part of Ryan Lum's Lovespirals, which used to be > Love Spirals Downwards when Suzanne Perry was singer. > > Anji Bee's MySpace page: > http://www.myspace.com/anjibee > > Lovespirals MySpace page: > http://www.myspace.com/lovespirals > > Love Spirals Downwards MySpace page: > http://www.myspace.com/lovespiralsdownwards > > Pretty cool! > > Vickie > > > -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > Music, all I hear is music, guaranteed to please... > > Happy's MySpace profile: > http://www.myspace.com/happyrhodes > > Happy Rhodes song samples and rarities: > http://wretchawry.com > -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > - -- From Marc! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 16:08:49 -0700 (PDT) From: "Xenu's Sister" Subject: Re: Anji Bee's Chillcast plays Happy! (spelling changed in the subject line...I'm so embarrassed for sending it out without double-checking) - --- Summoner Marc wrote: > Fantastic! It's so good to know people listen to Happy. She's been played on other podcasts through the Podsafe Music Network. The direct link to Happy's PMN page is very long with about a billion numbers in it, so go to her MySpace page and click on the PMN logo on the left side of the page. I don't know if they show all the podcasts that have played Happy, but on her login page they do, and I counted 24 different podcasts that have played her. > Long time no talk Vick :P Well, you abandoned Happy for Jane Siberry, didn't you? :) :) (I know, just kidding) Vickie - -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ Music, all I hear is music, guaranteed to please... Happy's MySpace profile: http://www.myspace.com/happyrhodes Happy Rhodes song samples and rarities: http://wretchawry.com - -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2006 01:24:18 +0100 From: "Summoner Marc" Subject: Re: Anji Bee's Chillcast plays Happy! Boo. I would not do such a thing. I actually don't listen to Jane that much anymore. Occasionally the odd song when the mood takes me. Nothing like I listen to Rhodesy though. HR is hardly ever off my speakers actually. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2006 12:43:10 +1200 From: "Karen Hester" Subject: eeekwhatsthis? Vienna Teng According to Newbury's new releases, *TENG, VIENNA*-Dreaming Through The Noise-$9.99. [july 25th] So this is out? Does anybody know anything?! Not much on her site. http://rounder.com/ecards/teng/card.php, which can't look at at work. Karen ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 20:18:54 -0500 From: "robert bristow-johnson" Subject: Re: Anji Bee's Chillcast plays Happy! > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Summoner Marc" > To: ecto@smoe.org > Subject: Re: Anji Bee's Chillcast plays Happy! > Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2006 01:24:18 +0100 > > > Boo. I would not do such a thing. I actually don't listen to Jane that much > anymore. Occasionally the odd song when the mood takes me. Nothing like I > listen to Rhodesy though. > > HR is hardly ever off my speakers actually. oooh... i'ma superfan of Happy but i certainly wouldn't want the Stairway-to-Heaven-syndrome to happen to her music. there's some other 90's era Echoes/Heart_of_Space music that i like listening to just as much as Happy: Trance Mission, Angels of Venice, Richard Souther/Visions, Jeff Pierce, Douglas Spotted Eagle, Dead Can Dance/Lisa Gerrard, Clara Ponty, Roger Eno, David Downes, Afro Celt Sound System, Scott Huckabay, Michael Hedges, Tino Izzo/One, Nana Simopolous, Varttina, Patrick O'Hearn, Sounds from the Ground, Shadowfax (okay, more like 80's), Peter Buffett, and newly discovered Noe Venable (thanks meth/woj!) and Vas/Azam Ali. and that exlcludes the throwback to the 70's. i want to protect Happy's music in my heart by not overplaying it. - -- r b-j rbj@audioimagination.com "Imagination is more important than knowledge." ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 18:57:16 -0700 (PDT) From: "Xenu's Sister" Subject: Boston Market very ecto-friendly! (Happy and Merrie!) I didn't hear them, but Chris did. He eats in Boston Market way more than I do when he's away on business. Not all that long ago he was sitting there and his ears perked up. He said to himself "Is that Happy??" He noticed her voice before he even recognized the very recognizable song: Bob Holroyd's cover of "Games Without Frontiers" with Happy singing the Kate part, playing over the speakers while people were munching chicken. He just called me up from a Boston Market and asked if I could hear what was playing. I couldn't, so he said it was a cover of "Walking On The Moon" by an interesting female vocalist. I fired up iTunes and did a search for the song. There are lots of covers on there (even Lucia Pamela!## <-- those are barf marks, folks) so I was going to play him the ones by female vocalists over the phone. The first one I chose was Merrie Amsterburg's version from Season of Rain. He said, that's it! I said, wow, I have that album, but I've never played it for you, sorry. Has anyone else heard anything ecto-y in Boston Market? I wish I knew who did their music and that I could get a playlist. Vickie - -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ Music, all I hear is music, guaranteed to please... Happy's MySpace profile: http://www.myspace.com/happyrhodes Happy Rhodes song samples and rarities: http://wretchawry.com - -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2006 02:17:24 +0000 From: jjhanson@att.net Subject: Re: eeekwhatsthis? Vienna Teng It's being released tomorrow--there's a video about hte making of it available for download at amazon.com. It's produced by producer extrodinaire Larry Klein (of Joni Mitchell, Shawn Colvin, Bonnie Raitt, Julia Fordham, etc. fame) http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000FZESVM/sr=8-1/qid=1153793684/ref=pd_bbs_1/103-5394546-7183852?ie=UTF8 - -------------- Original message from "Karen Hester" : -------------- > According to Newbury's new releases, *TENG, VIENNA*-Dreaming Through The > Noise-$9.99. [july 25th] > So this is out? Does anybody know anything?! > Not much on her site. > http://rounder.com/ecards/teng/card.php, which can't look at at work. > Karen ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2006 12:44:11 -0700 From: cyo Subject: sexism in music? no? really? actually Andrew, yes,it is a sexist issue, that's not all it is, but yes, I have to say the Music Biz is completely and totally sexist. Anyone that says it's not is lying to themselves or in denial or never seen behind the curtain. Rock/Pop is stilI completely dominated by male artists. Alt is also. Watch MTV for 2 hours and tell me how many male groups vs. female, and if the females are in a group, actual musicians or just single front babes like Christina/Brit/Beyonsi sans band, (who is making the music?) or sexy front girls like Black Eyed Peas. It is still totally not accepted on equal ground. Remember the big deal over Allaniss and her hit? Why? Because she was in your face, angry and powerful, all things average for MTV boys...but a woman! Rocking! Screaming? woooooooo I know, I really do, firsthand. I work with one of the best drummers on the west coast in my all female group Druid Sisters Tea Party, Claudia Paige, who played with Grateful Dead, Linda Perry, Zap Mama and more. She'd have twice the recording and touring work, she's said, if she were male. "Oh, a girl drummer, ha ha" is the main comment. (never hear "a male drummer" do you?) We are invited to all the women's music fests (I think there are 3 nationwide) but finding it hard to break into the World scene, even after 3 years of hard work and touring and that band, unlike Blind, is very commercial! Afro-Celtic-Funk and up and fun and all ages love it and our combined resumes are monsterous...folks constantly come up to us after performing and say, slightly shocked, "wow, you 'guys' are really good!" (as in, they are surprised) I have been leading Land of the Blind for 12 years, and even back when Blind was huge, there was 4 men and 4 women, we were called "a woman-dominated" group by the press (as well as my favorite, pretenctious, for mixing Native with Alt). I think AAA, as it's called, is the only catagory of music even close, equal wise, with almost the same amount of Sarah's as there are David Grays.... And then there are incrediable talents, mind blowing, like Jane Siberry, yes, she's way out in her own catagory, but had such a hard row on her own because, like Happy, she's interesting looking, but not a babe. You say it's only genre'? Would it be easier for Happy if she sang Pop baby I want you tunes? Not at all. Would it be an easier road for Jane if she sang country? Maybe, but just a little. Would it be easier for Kate Bush if she was a man, yes, I say. As an award winning songwriter, I know what songwriters are excellent artists out there, real talents, I'd say Peter Gabriel and Kate Bush are equal in my mind as amazing edgey songwriters, neither real commercial, both have had a couple hits years and years ago. but outstanding artists with long careers and loyal fans. When Peter recently put out his first CD in 10 years the hoopla was huge. When Kate put out hers, the hoopla was over a song about a washing machine and a song about a baby and called "women's music"..again....did Peter's song about a monster in his childhood closet get called "men's issues"?????? You bring up American Idol. Didn't an older gray haired just 'ok looking' man in his 40s just win? Don't I see him on car commercials now singing bad blues-lite jazz to sell cars? Have any female singers over 23 (the cut off age for women) ever won American Idol and I just missed the hoopla? (could be, I rarely watch tv) Yes, I know I am pushing the edge in my music, most "trance" bands play electronic recycled 'disco' thumpings, add a middle eastern drum and call it world trance. I am mixing simple Native beats with World and playing real instruments. And Dance bands never have a strong singer, always breathy background Delerium girls and here I am, putting real songs, strong songs, as in Folk or Pop, over world dance trance. (can't people think while dancing, I ask?) The instruments I tour with are ancient folk instruments, Appalachan Dulcimer, Indian Harmonium and Australia Didjeridu, (200 years old, 100 years old and 2000 years old) but Folk Festivals go "huh?" ....they want girl with guitar, that's what they are used to. Yes, I know I am breaking ALL the rules, am not commercial but hey, you only go around once. >Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2006 11:26:20 +1000 >From: andrew fries >I have to ask though, do you really think it would be much easier for >you if you were playing the same kind of music, basically were the same >kind of person you are, but of male gender? My theory is, not a lot >easier at all. Yes, I know several mid level male artists exploring the edge of trance and world like myself that are doing fine, both in SF and across the nation. Not sure what you mean about "kind of person I am"...I'm actually a very nice mellow person. Andrew said; Yes, the executives want their artists to be marketable, which according to their market research means >young and pretty. ...None of this is actually gender-dependent. It is unfortunately. Not even half of all the boy bands are young and pretty. That's the girls. What "ugly"women have made it since Janis in the 60s? (and she was given so much shit, even with that one of a kind voice) Imagine, if you will, the Red Hot Chili Peppers as ugly leaping women in tight pants in their late 30s..can you see it? No female with a face like Flea will ever be seen on TV. Imagine Green Day as girls, think it would go over as well? OK, (this one's fun) now imagine the Rolling Stones as wrinkled skinny drugged out world weary older women in leather, touring the world in their late 50s....come on, not gender dependant. Ha. Where are the older female greats? Where is Joni Mitchell? And would Joni make it today, coming up in the Beyonci-Brittany-babe world? One of the most influencial writers and singers of the last century....nope, not quite cute enough. And sure, I'll agree with you Andrew, that the music industry wants young and controllable, but please realise they only let babes thru that same door that cubby, homely, angry young men can go thru. in peaceful disagreement, Cyoakha, artist and a not angry nor ugly nor old female singer-musician ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 21:07:16 -0700 From: "Sue Trowbridge" Subject: Re: sexism in music? no? really? On 7/21/06, cyo wrote: > You bring up American Idol. Didn't an older gray haired just 'ok looking' > man in his 40s just win? Don't I see him on car commercials now singing bad > blues-lite jazz to sell cars? Not disagreeing with any of your points, but in the interest of accuracy, Taylor Hicks (the gray-haired AI winner) is only in his 20s. I think the cut-off age for AI is 27 or 28. Taylor is prematurely gray. His annoying car commercials make me happy I have TiVo and can fast forward through them!! - --Sue T. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2006 01:04:49 -0400 From: meredith Subject: Re: Boston Market very ecto-friendly! (Happy and Merrie!) Hi, Xenu's Sister wrote: > Has anyone else heard anything ecto-y in Boston Market? I wish I > knew who did their music and that I could get a playlist. I've noticed the music in there tends to be more listenable than most places. :) Chains like that tend to use satellite music services for their stores. A quick Google didn't reveal the source of Boston Market's music, but I don't really have time to do the research. I am curious, though. - -- =============================================== Meredith Tarr New Haven, CT USA mailto:meth@smoe.org http://www.smoe.org/meth =============================================== hear at the HOMe House Concert Series http://hom.smoe.org =============================================== ------------------------------ End of ecto-digest V12 #195 ***************************