From: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org (ecto-digest) To: ecto-digest@smoe.org Subject: ecto-digest V12 #187 Reply-To: ecto@smoe.org Sender: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk ecto-digest Monday, July 17 2006 Volume 12 : Number 187 To unsubscribe: e-mail ecto-digest-request@smoe.org and put the word unsubscribe in the message body. Today's Subjects: ----------------- Today's your birthday, friends... [Mike Matthews ] anyone heard Lily Holbrook's 2nd album? ["Karen Hester" ] Re: New Heather Duby Album out July 18 [andrew fries ] Re: New Heather Duby Album out July 18 [DanS <2005.carnivore99@verizon.ne] Re: New Heather Duby Album out July 18 [andrew fries ] Re: New Heather Duby Album out July 18 [andrew fries Subject: Today's your birthday, friends... i*i*i*i*i*i i*i*i*i*i*i *************** *****HAPPY********* **************BIRTHDAY********* *************************************************** *************************************************************************** ******************** John Zimmer (tiefe@dsl-only.net) ********************* **************** Dan Stark (2005.carnivore99@verizon.net) ***************** *************************************************************************** -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- - -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- John Zimmer Sun July 16 1961 Cancer Dan Stark Sun July 16 1961 Cancer Cathy Guetzlaff Mon July 18 1955 Cancer Vlad Sat July 18 1970 Warning: severe tire damage Jani Pinola Thu July 20 1972 Jonquil Alvin Brattli Sun July 27 1969 Lefthanded Christy Eger Smith Thu July 27 1944 Horse Crossing Shirley Ye July 27 Lioness woj Sun July 28 1968 children at play John Relph Sat July 28 1962 Leo Bob Kollmeyer Wed July 28 1971 Leo Steve Lusky Tue July 29 1952 Bike! Kate Bush Wed July 30 1958 God Chuck Smith Wed July 30 1958 Reboot Yves Denneulin Fri July 30 1971 Lion-Heart Joel Kenyon Wed July 31 1963 Leo Allan Anderson Sun August 04 1974 Signifier/Signified Eli Brandt August 05 Leo Amanda Williams Tue August 05 1969 phoenix Martin Bridges Sat August 08 1970 BigGuy Rosana L. de Oliveira Wed August 08 1973 Leo Happy Rhodes Mon August 09 1965 HolyGhost Loretta Pontillo Tue August 15 1978 Leo Queen of the Jungle - -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2006 19:06:24 +1200 From: "Karen Hester" Subject: anyone heard Lily Holbrook's 2nd album? Lily Holbrook's first album 'Running from the sky' had some lovely fairytale melodic songs, a bit too childlike perhaps for some. Was just importing it to my iPod yesterday and then a mailing list email arrived in an old email account from her. 'Everything was beautiful and nothing hurt' was released March 1 2005. It includes an Ozzy Osborne cover :) Sites http://www.lilyholbrookmusic.com http://ectoguide.org/artists/lily http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B0007GAE6C/ref=ase_wellingtoncit-20 - not on cdbaby this time Karen ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2006 14:12:28 -0600 From: neal copperman Subject: Re: New Heather Duby Album out July 18 I was bummed to miss her in Albuquerque recently. I actually went to the club, but didn't take into account the silly Albuquerque blue laws. Main bands usually don't take the stage before 11, EXCEPT on Sunday's, when the bars close at midnight. So my 11:00 arrival corresponded with the ending of the show :( neal np: the Republic of Heaven - The Endless nr: Children of God - Mary Dora Russell At 10:08 AM -0700 7/14/06, Craig Gidney wrote: >Sound samples here: > > http://www.sonicboomrecordings.com/cataloginfo.php?catid=52 > > >--------------------------------- >Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. >Great rates starting at 1"/min. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 07:53:46 +1000 From: andrew fries Subject: Re: New Heather Duby Album out July 18 neal copperman wrote: > I was bummed to miss her in Albuquerque recently. I actually went to > the club, but didn't take into account the silly Albuquerque blue laws. > Main bands usually don't take the stage before 11, EXCEPT on Sunday's, > when the bars close at midnight. So my 11:00 arrival corresponded with > the ending of the show :( Heh, it happened to me too, but only once. Never made the same mistake again! :) We have similar rules, but I do not think they are silly at all, in fact I'd love to see all live venues start early and wrap it up by 11pm at the latest... one of the reasons I no longer go out to see live music is these days I definitely want to be at home, and preferably in bed by 10pm. I must be getting older or something! In the meantime, at least one venue proudly advertises their 'new' approach: starting the entertainment MUCH LATER than everyone else! And I'm like, "we are from different planets, aren't we?" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2006 16:03:31 -0600 From: neal copperman Subject: Re: New Heather Duby Album out July 18 At 7:53 AM +1000 7/17/06, andrew fries wrote: >Heh, it happened to me too, but only once. Never made the same >mistake again! :) I'll probably remember now, though I'm not sure. It happened to me there once before with a slightly different set of rules. All ages shows have to be done by midnight too, and I missed one of those. > We have similar rules, but I do not think they are silly at all, in >fact I'd love to see all live venues start early and wrap it up by >11pm at the latest... Don't get me wrong, I'm a big fan of early start times. In fact, I put on shows of my own, and it is a rare event that ENDS at midnight. What I do think is silly is that the law is different on Sunday. I don't think the liquor laws should be different on Sunday. I've lived in places where you couldn't buy alcohol in stores on Sundays, mandated by local laws. This early bar closing seems a similar deal. (Personally, neither issue is an inconvenience for me, just something I don't agree with.) >In the meantime, at least one venue proudly advertises their 'new' >approach: starting the entertainment MUCH LATER than everyone else! >And I'm like, "we are from different planets, aren't we?" I get that sometimes, but usually from bar owners! Most people I know (aka, us people that are no longer young!) are thrilled to have shows that start and end early. I've also had people arrive at the tail end of my shows, being confused that the start time was the time that the show started. neal np: everything was beautiful and nothing hurt - lily holbrook (inspired by Karen's query) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2006 18:52:57 -0400 From: DanS <2005.carnivore99@verizon.net> Subject: Re: New Heather Duby Album out July 18 It happened to me when I moved to NYC from Toronto, where a 9pm show meant you were lucky if it actually started by 11:30. So the first time I ventured out to a club show in NY I showed up fashionably late, only to discover the the artist I wanted to see was long gone, and in fact a couple other acts had likely also come and gone in the meantime. A show in Toronto usually meant a full night out at the club to see the headline artist, if only to give patrons plenty of time to buy drinks before the performance started. I'm not sure if it's still that way. But in NY it's more like an assembly line where they crank through one act after another in most places. That might be nice if the performers had anything in common with other but that rarely seems to be the case, the clubs just want to fill seats at the top of each hour. Here it's short sets, mandatory drinks and prompt starting times. I guess every place has its own quirks. andrew fries wrote: >Heh, it happened to me too, but only once. Never made the same >mistake again! :) We have similar rules, but I do not think they are >silly at all, in fact I'd love to see all live venues start early >and wrap it up by 11pm at the latest... one of the reasons I no >longer go out to see live music is these days I definitely want to >be at home, and preferably in bed by 10pm. I must be getting older >or something! > >In the meantime, at least one venue proudly advertises their 'new' >approach: starting the entertainment MUCH LATER than everyone else! >And I'm like, "we are from different planets, aren't we?" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 10:22:52 +1000 From: andrew fries Subject: Re: New Heather Duby Album out July 18 DanS wrote: > It happened to me when I moved to NYC from Toronto, where a 9pm show > meant you were lucky if it actually started by 11:30. So the first time > I ventured out to a club show in NY I showed up fashionably late, only > to discover the the artist I wanted to see was long gone, and in fact a > couple other acts had likely also come and gone in the meantime. > > A show in Toronto usually meant a full night out at the club to see the > headline artist, if only to give patrons plenty of time to buy drinks > before the performance started. I'm not sure if it's still that way. > But in NY it's more like an assembly line where they crank through one > act after another in most places. That might be nice if the performers > had anything in common with other but that rarely seems to be the case, > the clubs just want to fill seats at the top of each hour. Here it's > short sets, mandatory drinks and prompt starting times. I guess every > place has its own quirks. Yeah, that's the other main reason I can no longer be bothered: the interminable waiting between acts, and uncertain starting times. Often out of the three acts of the night I only really want to see one - the thought of hanging around for hours just puts me off. When I was in Amsterdam I went to a gig at The Milky Way; it was a long time ago and I barely remember who played, but one thing that I do remember clearly is how they had the support act off the stage and the headliner on in less than fifteen minutes. It was fantastic! Sadly, it never happens around here. We're supposed to hang around and buy drinks, I suppose - the trouble with that is drinking and driving is out of the question these days, and I'm certainly not going to put up with bloody awful public transport just for sake of being able to drink - I'd rather skip the drinking for the comfort of my own transport... I really think these issues of late starts and too long delays don't do the live music scene any favours. Especially those Ecto acts who would attract the older, more sedate audience. There are quite a few people around who have to get up and go to work in the morning, don't really want to pull all-nighters any more, and value their creature comforts - but they would still go out if there were places catering to them. Growing popularity of house concerts and those occasional 'boutique' festivals catering to more mature audiences seem to confirm this. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2006 18:55:41 -0600 From: neal copperman Subject: Re: anyone heard Lily Holbrook's 2nd album? I got this last year on its release. Gave it a spin or two, had mixed feelings and put it away. Just pulled it out and have played it a few more times. I still have mixed feelings, but like it better. Might need a few more listens before it really sinks in. I don't have any of her earlier music, so I have no comparisons. The album is interesting, and while I'm not wow'ed, I'm intrigued. Musically, it's pretty varied. The first track has distorted vocals and almost a Garbage like noisiness. Later tracks utilize strings and perhaps even a Lisa Germano off-kilter music box feeling. Vocally, it varies from little girl wispiness to fuller singing and even some raucousness. The writing is generally direct and blunt, with occasional touches of fantasy. Seems like most of the songs deal with conflicts of some sort, either writ big or writ small. Image issues (both self imposed and societally imposed), conflicts in relationships weighed against conflicts on a larger scale (though they generally feel personal, rather then political). The Ozzy song "Mama, I'm Coming Home" walks a fine line between metal hair ballad and something more serious. I'm not sure which side of the line it ends up on. All in all, it's an interesting album and one that will probably benefit from repeated listenings. It wasn't totally clear to me at first, but there are song for on-line play on the top right of her web site. neal np: El Siete - Sotavento (pretty typical Central American music) At 7:06 PM +1200 7/16/06, Karen Hester wrote: >Lily Holbrook's first album 'Running from the sky' had some lovely fairytale >melodic songs, a bit too childlike perhaps for some. Was just importing it >to my iPod yesterday and then a mailing list email arrived in an old email >account from her. 'Everything was beautiful and nothing hurt' was released >March 1 2005. It includes an Ozzy Osborne cover :) > >Sites >http://www.lilyholbrookmusic.com >http://ectoguide.org/artists/lily >http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B0007GAE6C/ref=ase_wellingtoncit-20 - >not on cdbaby this time > >Karen ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2006 19:04:46 -0600 From: neal copperman Subject: Re: New Heather Duby Album out July 18 At 10:22 AM +1000 7/17/06, andrew fries wrote: >I really think these issues of late starts and too long delays don't >do the live music scene any favours. Especially those Ecto acts who >would attract the older, more sedate audience. There are quite a few >people around who have to get up and go to work in the morning, >don't really want to pull all-nighters any more, and value their >creature comforts - but they would still go out if there were places >catering to them. > >Growing popularity of house concerts and those occasional 'boutique' >festivals catering to more mature audiences seem to confirm this. I think it is largely the audience you are looking for. I didn't mind any of the things that are being complained about 10 to 15 years ago, and I suspect people 10 to 15 years younger then me don't mind now. We're working on a show in September with the opposite of the interminable set change. I think we are going to be able to do the swap in 5 minutes, with a lot of fanfare too. The first band is a 5-piece Indian group from Canada. They'll be playing seated on a riser at the front of the stage. The second band, a Mexican American electro-cumbia quartet, will be set up behind the curtains. When the first group finishes, we'll unplug two cables and the portion of floor they are on will lower below stage level. The curtains rise and the other band will start playing while the first band unloads under the stage! Not just fast, but kind of dramatic too. The theater was thrilled to be able to try this, as they've never had the chance before. neal ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 12:22:35 +1000 From: andrew fries Subject: Re: New Heather Duby Album out July 18 neal copperman wrote: > I think it is largely the audience you are looking for. I didn't mind > any of the things that are being complained about 10 to 15 years ago, > and I suspect people 10 to 15 years younger then me don't mind now. Oh yeah - definitely. Ten, even five years ago I didn't mind so much either. But you know what? I have always noticed these things, and didn't like them all that much. Yes, it's only in the last couple of years they become real show stoppers rather than mere annoyances, but actually, they were always there to some degree. Just like that whole thing about sound volume. The band would crank up the volume. We, the audience, would resort to ear-plugs, and move back away from the speakers. The band would then complain about being 'all alone up there', and crank up the sound even more... and I always had this thought at the back on my mind that if we'd all just stop trying to rock so hard and turn down the volume a bit, we'd all be a whole lot more comfortable. ... and my hearing would probably be better now. > We're working on a show in September with the opposite of the > interminable set change. I think we are going to be able to do the swap > in 5 minutes, with a lot of fanfare too. See? It really isn't just me! I wish you good luck - maybe you'll manage to start a new trend! ------------------------------ End of ecto-digest V12 #187 ***************************