From: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org (ecto-digest) To: ecto-digest@smoe.org Subject: ecto-digest V12 #130 Reply-To: ecto@smoe.org Sender: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk ecto-digest Saturday, May 20 2006 Volume 12 : Number 130 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: things we don't get (Natalie Merchant) [Dave ] Today's your birthday, friend... [Mike Matthews ] stuff i wish there was more of [anna maria "stjärnell" ] Re: things we don't get (Natalie Merchant) [Doug ] Re: things we don't get... [Bernie Mojzes ] RE: stuff i wish there was more of ["Collected Sounds" <2345@collectedsou] RE: things we don't get... ["Collected Sounds" <2345@collectedsounds.com>] Re: things we don't get (Natalie Merchant) [Julie B ] Re: things we don't get (Natalie Merchant) [Bernie Mojzes ] Re: things we don't get (Natalie Merchant) [neal copperman ] Re: things we don't get (covers) [laura@reelingreviews.com] Re: Things.. [kerrywhite@webtv.net (kerry white)] Re: things we don't get. [Lisa ] Re: Things.. [kerrywhite@webtv.net (kerry white)] Re: things we don't get (Natalie Merchant) [andrew fries ] Re: things we don't get.../things we wish we got more of... [Michael Curr] Re: Things.. [Bowen Simmons ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 19 May 2006 00:57:16 -0400 From: Dave Subject: Re: things we don't get (Natalie Merchant) I was a huge Maniacs fan for quite a while there.. always thought Natalie had a lovely voice, not to mention her lyrics and phrasing. Because the Night is certainly not a good song to judge her by, probably one of my least favorites. Some of their earlier work was fantastic, Katrina's Fair, Tension Makes a Tangle, Everyone a Puzzle Lover, The Colonial Wing, Grey Victory.. and I still say Our Time in Eden was one of the best albums of the 90s, if not all time. Unfortunately a lot of people only know them from their MTV Unplugged album (not that I'm assuming this about present company). > andrew fries wrote: > > Julie B wrote: > >>Natalie Merchant -- I can't stand the voice. Listening to her cover of >>Patti Smith's Because the night is painful! (not that Patti sang like a >>bird, and yet I'll listen to her) > > > Isn't it amazing how different we can be? I absolutely ADORE her voice, > an I mean just that - not the range, not the manner, but just the pure > sound her throat makes. I think it hits what, for me, turns out to be > the perfect balance between smoothness and raspiness. > > Having said that, "Because the night" is not my favourite song of hers. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 May 2006 03:00:04 -0400 (EDT) From: Mike Matthews Subject: Today's your birthday, friend... i*i*i*i*i*i i*i*i*i*i*i *************** *****HAPPY********* **************BIRTHDAY********* *************************************************** *************************************************************************** ******************* Christopher Boek (no Email address) ******************* *************************************************************************** -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- - -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Christopher Boek Tue May 19 1970 Taurus Julia Macklin Mon May 20 1968 ethereus Yngve Hauge Fri May 21 1971 Gemini Lisa Laane Tue May 22 1973 Gemini Jewel Kilcher Thu May 23 1974 The Gem Chandra Sriram Thu May 27 1971 Gemini Taina Sahlander Mon May 28 1973 Gemini Urs Stafford Thu May 31 1973 Give Way Perttu Yli-Krekola Thu June 02 1966 Kaksoset Alex Gibbs Thu June 08 1967 Betelgeuse Gleb Zverev Tue June 09 1964 Gemini Sonja Juchniewich Mon June 10 1963 Pegasus Joerg Plate Mon June 12 1967 Gemini Chris Montville Tue June 13 1978 Gemini Ectoplasm (original name) Mailing List Thu June 13 1991 Fuzzier blue Paul Huesman Wed June 14 1967 coffee drinker Mark R. Susskind Wed June 15 1966 Gemini Dave Upham Sun June 15 1958 Gemini Mike Matthews Mon June 16 1969 Pr. SAFH Albert Philipsen Mon June 17 1968 Gemini Neal R. Copperman Thu June 17 1965 Gemini Susan Kay Anderson Tue June 17 1969 Gemini Ecto-The Mailing List Tue June 18 1991 Fuzzy blue Tracy Barber Mon June 18 1956 Gemini Greg Dunn Thu June 18 1953 + Paul Blair Thu June 18 1964 Objectivist Mike Connell Sat June 18 1955 Apollo - -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 May 2006 03:11:52 -0700 (PDT) From: anna maria "stjärnell" Subject: stuff i wish there was more of Hi. that's easy.. Susan Court. Marie and The wildwood Flowers..awesome Swedish band. A second album was promised but never released. Bloem de Ligny(yes, me to) Rachel Smith Kin Za Za Molly Zenobia ect, ect anna maria Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 May 2006 03:19:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Craig Gidney Subject: Re: things we don't get (Natalie Merchant) In concert, Merchant is one of the few artists I've seen that can get away with a cappella singing. Her "stage banter" consists of singing bits of old folk songs. Dave wrote: I was a huge Maniacs fan for quite a while there.. always thought Natalie had a lovely voice, not to mention her lyrics and phrasing. Because the Night is certainly not a good song to judge her by, probably one of my least favorites. Some of their earlier work was fantastic, Katrina's Fair, Tension Makes a Tangle, Everyone a Puzzle Lover, The Colonial Wing, Grey Victory.. and I still say Our Time in Eden was one of the best albums of the 90s, if not all time. Unfortunately a lot of people only know them from their MTV Unplugged album (not that I'm assuming this about present company). > andrew fries wrote: > > Julie B wrote: > >>Natalie Merchant -- I can't stand the voice. Listening to her cover of >>Patti Smith's Because the night is painful! (not that Patti sang like a >>bird, and yet I'll listen to her) > > > Isn't it amazing how different we can be? I absolutely ADORE her voice, > an I mean just that - not the range, not the manner, but just the pure > sound her throat makes. I think it hits what, for me, turns out to be > the perfect balance between smoothness and raspiness. > > Having said that, "Because the night" is not my favourite song of hers. - --------------------------------- Ring'em or ping'em. Make PC-to-phone calls as low as 1"/min with Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 May 2006 06:16:35 -0500 From: Doug Subject: Buying music online I'm looking for an online music service that will let me purchase individual songs, preferably for 99 cents, using my Discover card. I was going to use the Jane Siberry online store until I discovered (hahaha) that she doesn't take Discover. Any other suggestions? Thanks! - --Doug ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 May 2006 09:39:01 -0500 From: Doug Subject: Re: things we don't get (Natalie Merchant) For those of you who dislike Natalie's cover of Because the Night: did you hear the original version first, and were you a fan of the original version before you ever heard the cover? Due to my experience I've concluded that people tend to prefer the first version of something that they've experienced...especially if they really liked the original. - --Doug ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 May 2006 11:10:48 -0400 (EDT) From: Bernie Mojzes Subject: Re: things we don't get... > ... well... that, and say what you will, but 'Satisfaction' is a rock > classic. indeed, but that's to be expected from early Devo. long long ago i was in portugal and ended up in this coctail party at a conference on interreligious dialog where a lounge-type band was making backround noise. the band was halfway through the song before i even recognized that the singer was, in fact, crooning: "Hai can ge' no, sarisfacsho Hai can gemme no, sarisfacsho" and this still remains my favorite version of this song. - -- brni i don't want the world, i just want your half. www.livejournal.com/~brni ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 May 2006 10:24:01 -0500 From: "Collected Sounds" <2345@collectedsounds.com> Subject: RE: stuff i wish there was more of Anna Maria said: >Kin Za Za >Molly Zenobia Here here! I still listen to both of their debuts a LOT. I heard from Molly recently (like when I signed up for MySpace she was one of my first friends) but nothing from the Kin Za Za folk at all. I do hope they've not quit. - -----Original Message----- From: owner-ecto@smoe.org [mailto:owner-ecto@smoe.org]On Behalf Of anna maria stjdrnell Sent: Friday, May 19, 2006 5:12 AM To: ecto@smoe.org Subject: stuff i wish there was more of Hi. that's easy.. Susan Court. Marie and The wildwood Flowers..awesome Swedish band. A second album was promised but never released. Bloem de Ligny(yes, me to) Rachel Smith Kin Za Za Molly Zenobia ect, ect anna maria Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 May 2006 10:34:48 -0500 From: "Collected Sounds" <2345@collectedsounds.com> Subject: RE: things we don't get... oh I'm so with you all on the Bob Dylan and Stones thing. But I still LOVE the Smiths and Morrissey (in fact, am listening to "Live at Earl's Court" this very moment!). Like Ethan, his music got me thought a lot. I mean, you always knew someone was worse off than you. Comforting at times. Now I think it's just kind of funny. I read an interview with him where the interviewer said, "Nice to see you again!" and he responded with a sigh, "Why?" I love that man. I also am quite smitten with Charlotte Martin. Yes, at first she sounded like a Tori/Kate clone I agree. But she's grown a lot I think. I saw her live a couple of months ago and I'd say she's more like Imogen Heap than either of those other ladies. Everything was very wall-of-noise electronic and lovely, emotional, etc. I spoke to her for a couple of minutes after the show and said I was not expecting all the "toys". She said that she's trying to get people ready for the next record which is going to be highly electronic. So maybe those of you who have not liked her in the past may change your minds! :) Oh and that "I'm Normal" song...I had never heard til I heard it live and I love it. I think it's hilarious. However, the melody is lifted almost exactly from Amos' "Leather". As Vickie said: >And she's a sweetheart of a human being. Yes, she really is. Plus, she's very funny. On stage and off. Please give her another chance when the new record comes out! ~Amy ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 May 2006 12:01:54 -0400 From: Julie B Subject: Re: things we don't get (Natalie Merchant) Yep I knew the original first. However, I can't stand listening to Natalie sing ANYTHING. It was just more painful when it was a song I knew. There are lots of cover versions of songs I like as much (or better) than the originals, sixpence none the richer's version of Don't Dream It's Over comes to mind :) Doug wrote: > For those of you who dislike Natalie's cover of Because the Night: > did you hear the original version first, and were you a fan of the > original version before you ever heard the cover? > > Due to my experience I've concluded that people tend to prefer the > first version of something that they've experienced...especially if > they really liked the original. > > --Doug ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 May 2006 12:59:24 -0400 (EDT) From: Bernie Mojzes Subject: Re: things we don't get (Natalie Merchant) the problem i have with Merchant's version of this song is that she's got a beautiful, but relatively tensionless voice. and that song is ABOUT tension... > For those of you who dislike Natalie's cover of Because the Night: > did you hear the original version first, and were you a fan of the > original version before you ever heard the cover? > > Due to my experience I've concluded that people tend to prefer the > first version of something that they've experienced...especially if > they really liked the original. have you heard XTC's cover of "all along the watchtower"? > > --Doug > - -- brni i don't want the world, i just want your half. www.livejournal.com/~brni ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 May 2006 13:13:11 -0400 (EDT) From: Bernie Mojzes Subject: Re: things we don't get...(madonna) i never "got" madonna either, and i especially don't get the new kabbalistic madonna. but she did do one thing that was extremely important was that she brought a lot of gender/power/sex issues into a space where they could be discussed in the mainstream. she was not the first to do so, nor the most interesting, not by a long shot, but she was able to package things such that gender role ambiguity was marketable across a wide spectrum of the population. and the value of that to anyone who thinks that male breadwinner/female housemaker/2.5 kids should not be the only acceptable lifestyle should not be underestimated. brni > > I didn't "get" Madonna because there was nothing to "get." She had a > couple of good songs (like "Live To Tell") because in obedience to > Sturgeon's Law, nobody is 100% awful. Well maybe the Spears and > Simpsons axis, but they aren't even trying. Madonna was the Microsoft > of music: all marketing layered on top of a thin layer of talent, > overproduced beyond belief. I just hope Microsoft suffers the same > fate: descent into irrelevance and ignored by most of the world. > > This is a fun thread. > > Michael > - -- brni i don't want the world, i just want your half. www.livejournal.com/~brni ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 May 2006 11:51:41 -0600 From: neal copperman Subject: Re: things we don't get (Natalie Merchant) I think that is often the case, but not always. A cover can breath fresh life into an old song. I've heard tons of covers that I've liked. Often they don't replace the song, but give it a new feeling. I actually like Natalie Merchant, but find her cover of Because the Night rather listless. I'd rather listen to Springsteen do it, though I haven't heard a version that seems as compelling as Patti Smith's (which IS what I heard first). neal At 9:39 AM -0500 5/19/06, Doug wrote: >For those of you who dislike Natalie's cover of Because the Night: >did you hear the original version first, and were you a fan of the >original version before you ever heard the cover? > >Due to my experience I've concluded that people tend to prefer the >first version of something that they've experienced...especially if >they really liked the original. > >--Doug ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 May 2006 14:08:30 -0400 From: meredith Subject: Re: things we don't get... Hi, Bernie Mojzes wrote: > long long ago i was in portugal and ended up in this coctail party at a > conference on interreligious dialog where a lounge-type band was making > backround noise. the band was halfway through the song before i even > recognized that the singer was, in fact, crooning: > > "Hai can ge' no, sarisfacsho > Hai can gemme no, sarisfacsho" > > and this still remains my favorite version of this song. :) Back in the dark ages when I was studying in Germany, every Thursday night I would accompany my friends to 80s night at the Liberty dance club (which is where I discovered Rainbirds, but that's another story). As the night wore on the music would begin to span a larger period of time, and inevitably some Beatles tunes would show up in the mix. One night my friend and I were catching our breath off to the side when "Yellow Submarine" started up. There was a couple of shitfaced backwoods Bavarians standing behind us, and they started singing along at the top of their lungs "ve all live in a yellow sublaree yellow sublaree yellow sublaree" To this day I can't listen to that song without dissolving into helpless giggles... - -- =============================================== Meredith Tarr New Haven, CT USA mailto:meth@smoe.org http://www.smoe.org/meth =============================================== hear at the HOMe House Concert Series http://hom.smoe.org =============================================== ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 May 2006 14:51:49 -0400 From: laura@reelingreviews.com Subject: Re: things we don't get (covers) Quoting neal copperman : > I think that is often the case, but not always. A cover can breath > fresh life into an old song. I've heard tons of covers that I've > liked. Often they don't replace the song, but give it a new feeling. > I agree with Neal - Roxy Music's "Eight Miles High" and "Jealous Guy" being two cases in point... Laura ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 May 2006 14:05:10 -0500 From: kerrywhite@webtv.net (kerry white) Subject: Re: Things.. Hi, I'm Kerry and I am an ageholic ;-) 55. As mentioned before I was just 'getting' music in general while the world was 'getting' the Beatles. Still love them. Same era Stones are just nostalgic except for "Moonlight Mile" (also from Sticky Fingers) which has been on many best of tapes for years. Manfred Mann's Earth Band has been the best 'cover band' I have run across: 'Demolition Man' is so much 'better' than the original Police version. Same with 'Blinded By The Light'. Yes, I have and love XTC's 'All Along The Watchtower' - even have it live. (Love all versions I have heard: Dylan, Hendrix and Micheal Hedges.) A friend my age only listens to Opera and Classical. I just heard that Pat Metheny grew up on Jazz and was a "jazz snob" at the age of 18. I hate Opera -but- have some PDQ Bach and Which Witch. I hate country western -but- have several best of Reba McIntire I have a bit of almost everything (Zappa, Eno, Mobius, Tangerine Dream, Glenn Branca full orchestral Drones, Innocence Mission) except Effen-Nanny(sp) (country hand jive with hard in and out breathing sounds). A lot of Ecto recommendations have left me yawning and other have lit fires under me. Great thread! Bye, Kerry KrW I'm Peter Pan! I'm perpetually young!! OW!! What's wrong with my back? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 May 2006 13:39:48 -0500 From: Lisa Subject: Re: things we don't get. I like this thread because it fill a space. There are plenty of artists whose music I do not enjoy or cannot listen to. Usually it's vocal delivery or song structure that hits the bad place for me. Rarely do I dislike something because of the lyrics. Quite often, I don't even notice them unless I'm really bowled over or touched by their meaning. It's often mostly about the vocals for me. The more interesting conversation, though, is that which we neither love nor hate, but just do not get. These days, I try to give artists a chance. There have been plenty of Ecto-ish artists that I did not connect with when I first heard them, but they either grew on me or released something that was in a little different vein that did resonate with me. Jane Siberry and Joni Mitchell are prime examples of this. My first exposure to Joni was Hissing of Summer Lawns. Probably not the best release to start with. Years later, I heard For the Roses and grew quite attached to it. A co-worker insisted that if I liked that, I would love Court and Spark. I did. I don't love everything Joni has put out. I prefer her folkier releases to her jazzier ones. Similar experience with Jane. When I Was A Boy has become one of my favorite cds, but other releases, like Maria, fail to connect. That being said, there are several artists that I have tried repeatedly to connect with, because many of you hold them very dear. Vienna Teng is an example. I don't dislike her music, but after repeated listenings, I have yet to figure out what all the fuss is about. I can get about halfway through the cd I have of hers, then I give up. There's just nothing working for me there. Emm Gryner, Loreena McKennitt, Rachael Sage, Melissa Ferrick, and Milla Jovovich are others I've tried and failed with. In the mainstream, I think Hootie and the Blowfish get the biggest "meh" from me. I once heard someone refer to them as "Pearl Jam for your grandma" and had to laugh. (I was amused by the earlier comparison of Eddie Vedder's voice to the slaughtering of a lamb--nails on a chalkboard for me.) The Dave Matthews band is another one I don't get. I am 45, so I do get the Beatles and the Stones in the sense that I was there to witness the ways in which they changed the music. They both have some things that I like and other things that hold nothing more than historic significance for me. Eleanor Rigby is one of the gems. As far as the Stones go, Gimme Shelter (the song) was probably their finest moment. Most of the rest, especially in the later years was just them churning out the same songs over and over. They win the "Quantity Over Quality" award. Artists that I like in theory, but have a hard time listening to are Zappa, Leonard Cohen, Dylan, and to an extent Tom Waits. My husband loves Tom, but a little goes a long way for me. Interesting thread. :) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 May 2006 16:25:25 -0500 From: kerrywhite@webtv.net (kerry white) Subject: Re: Things.. Hi, Imagine, if you will, a world where the closest to mainstream Jazz gets is Victor Felman's quartet doing, "A Taste of Honey. Where the radio plays Peter, Paul and Mary and the big thing is "The Twist". Then the british invaded. If you find "I wanna hold your hand" and "Love me do" quaint, how about "Come Together", Get Back" or "Something (in the she moves)"? They covered a lot of ground. Bye, Kerry KrW I'm Peter Pan! I'm perpetually young!! OW!! What's wrong with my back? ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 May 2006 10:29:18 +1000 From: andrew fries Subject: Re: things we don't get (Natalie Merchant) Bernie Mojzes wrote: > the problem i have with Merchant's version of this song is that she's got > a beautiful, but relatively tensionless voice. and that song is ABOUT > tension... Yeah, I think that's it, exactly! To answer Dougs' question, in my case, no - I don't know the original at all so I wasn't comparing Natalie's version to anything; I just found it weaker than her other songs. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 May 2006 22:46:21 +0100 From: "Karen West" Subject: Tina Dico - Free gig in NYC on Monday 22nd If you're in NYC next Monday then don't miss this. Tina Dico is fabulous live, and this one is free! Karen _____ From: Tina Dico Subject: NEW YORKERS! Hi Everybody There'll be another newsletter coming in the next few days with lots of UK and American tour dates for the autumn but for now I hope you won't mind me sending out this quicky to let everyone in New York know that I'm playing a last-minute, un-advertised, intimate gig at The Living Room, 154 Ludlow Street, this Monday 22nd at 6 o'clock. I'm in town to play at a closed event at the Museum Of Modern Art tomorrow and I thought it would be a shame not to do an open night as well - it's FREE to get in! I'm bringing my keyboard player, Martin, and my amazing backing vocalist, Karoline - who's never been to America before - so come and cheer us on! :-) See you there! xx Tina THE LIVING ROOM'S WEBSITE _____ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 May 2006 18:35:55 -0500 From: "Kim Justice" Subject: Re: Things.. On 5/19/06, kerry white wrote: > [...] If you find "I wanna hold your hand" and "Love me do" quaint, how > about "Come Together", Get Back" or "Something (in the she moves)"? > They covered a lot of ground. Bye, Kerry I tutor a friend's (50) son (17) in math. The father is a Beatles fanatic and I think owns every book ever published about the Fab Four, plus bootlegs, re-releases with alternate takes, and so on. A low point in my life was being subjected by this guy to a CD that had nothing on it but 17 different takes of "Strawberry Fields", one after another, each *slightly* different. It's a fine song, but I got my limits! The dad has hypnotized his son into the Church of The Beatles! The kid often goes on about this or that live or studio version of Beatles' songs and I (46) sometimes just want to scream "REBEL! REBEL, DAMMIT! THERE'S OTHER GOOD MUSIC BESIDES THE BEATLES!!! SOME OF IT WAS WRITTEN JUST LAST WEEK!" Ahem. I like a lot of the later Beatles' stuff, but PLEASE. I feel better now, kj p.s. If Goth had been invented in the '70s, I'd have been in with the black lipstick crowd. :) - -- Kim Justice justicekw@gmail.com 615.406.4579 (uses no mins if you have Verizon Wireless) "There can always be new beginnings -- even for people like us" - --Susan Ivanova ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 May 2006 22:16:04 -0400 From: Michael Curry Subject: Re: things we don't get.../things we wish we got more of... Neile Graham wrote: > Things we wish we got more of: > > Rachel Smith (she's been promising a second album for ages) She was the first one to spring to mind when the topic of things I wished we'd get more of came up. I remember when she moved to the northeastern US I thought there'd be both a new CD and maybe even a chance to see her live.... Michael np: Neko Case -- Fox Confessor Brings the Flood nr: a draft of an upcoming Jay Lake novel ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 May 2006 19:45:39 -0700 From: Bowen Simmons Subject: Re: Things.. On May 19, 2006, at 4:35 PM, Kim Justice wrote: > p.s. If Goth had been invented in the '70s, I'd have been in with the > black lipstick crowd. :) If? Siouxsie and the Banshees got their start in 1976. [demime 0.97c-p1 removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of images.jpg] Bowen ------------------------------ End of ecto-digest V12 #130 ***************************