From: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org (ecto-digest) To: ecto-digest@smoe.org Subject: ecto-digest V12 #129 Reply-To: ecto@smoe.org Sender: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk ecto-digest Friday, May 19 2006 Volume 12 : Number 129 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: things we don't get... [Ethan Straffin ] Re: things we don't get... [Ethan Straffin ] Re: things we don't get.../things we wish we got more of... [Michael Pear] Re: things we don't get.../things we wish we got more of... [Ellen Rawson] Re: things we don't get... [Paul Schreiber ] Re: things we don't get.../things we wish we got more of... [Greg Dunn ] Re: Austin City Limits Festival Sept 15-17 2006 [meredith ] Re: things we don't get.../things we wish we got more of... [Ethan Straff] Re: things we can't get enough of/ musical "evolution" [Greg Bossert ] music at our workplace ["Karen Hester" ] **RACHAEL SAGE IN LOUISVILLE, KY FRI & SAT@ Non-COMM!** [SpiritWe@aol.com] Re: Crazy good news for Tribe fans [wojizzle forizzle ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 23:15:56 -0700 From: Ethan Straffin Subject: Re: things we don't get... Jon Wesley Huff wrote: > Good question. > > The Beatles. I just don't get it. I like their stuff okay. They make > nice pop music - but I just don't get why people are so devoted to > them. I'd say there's plenty of stuff thats come after them that's > better written. I understand that they have been incredibly > influential to music. But there's a difference between saying they are > an important part of music's roots and saying the songs they produced > are still better then most of whats come after them. Yeah...as guilty pleasures go, I like Roxette/Per Gessle/Son of a Plumber/Gyllene Tider/how-many-bands-can-this-guy-be-in-at-once's songs far more than I like most of the Beatles' songs, while fully acknowledging that he'd never have existed musically if not for the Beatles. (As does Gessle: the longest song title on his latest album is "I Never Quite Got Over the Fact that the Beatles Broke Up." Like, duh, Per.) Ethan ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 May 2006 02:40:09 -0700 From: Ethan Straffin Subject: Re: things we don't get... Bowen Simmons wrote: > The Smiths / Morissey. Someone already mentioned the Smiths, but > Morissey goes way beyond what I can tolerate in narcissistic egomania > ("Now I know how Joan of Arc felt"? - Please...) Well, bear in mind the lyrics immediately before that: Sweetness, sweetness I was only joking When I said I'd like to smash every tooth In your head Oh ... sweetness, sweetness, I was only joking When I said by rights you should be Bludgeoned in your bed Isn't it clear that Morrissey was creating a character: one of the asshole boyfriend who says unpardonable things and then declares himself to be a martyr in the league of Joan of Arc when his partner calls him on it? That's funny. It had to be done, and Morrissey was there to do it. His "narcissistic egomania" may well be a problem, but "Bigmouth" won't get you there. Ethan ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 May 2006 09:27:36 -0700 From: Michael Pearce Subject: Re: things we don't get.../things we wish we got more of... I would love another CD from Mary Fahl. There is nothing current on the Web about her; the site is owned by Sony Classical and has not been updated since last September. Another Milla would be nice; so would an album of originals by Vonda Shepard. (Maybe she will write music for next fall's new Calista Flockheart vehicle.) Not Gets: I was there for the Beatles, Stones and Beach Boys heyday. Too bad Brian Wilson lost it; Smile would have had a real impact on what was to follow. The Stones jumped the shark into an oldies/touring band when they did not follow up their best album - Her Satanic Majesty's Request - with another equally or more intricately layered, imaginative record. Others were right about why they were so great: You had to be there. No real point in listening to the early '60s superstars if it all happened before you were born. That just makes it a history lesson. Perfect albums (no dog tracks) were always rare; Fleetwood Mac's Rumors was one; Jefferson Airplane's Crown of Creation was another. I really wanted to like Jane Siberry but I failed. Except for "Calling All Angels" her songs simply did not hit me at all. I didn't "get" Madonna because there was nothing to "get." She had a couple of good songs (like "Live To Tell") because in obedience to Sturgeon's Law, nobody is 100% awful. Well maybe the Spears and Simpsons axis, but they aren't even trying. Madonna was the Microsoft of music: all marketing layered on top of a thin layer of talent, overproduced beyond belief. I just hope Microsoft suffers the same fate: descent into irrelevance and ignored by most of the world. This is a fun thread. Michael ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 May 2006 09:40:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Ellen Rawson Subject: Re: things we don't get.../things we wish we got more of... I want more Renaissance. They are my all-time favourite band. Go ahead and flame me. ;) Drummer Terry Sullivan even lives in my town, darn it! Annie Haslam lives in the Philadelphia area now, near where I grew up. (The president of her fan club used to live - -- may still live -- in my hometown just outside of Philly.) In 2002, they reunited (no Jon Camp, no John Tout :( ) for a Japanese tour, for which they played a preview show at the Astoria in London. I was about fifth in line for an all-standing show, so I was able to stand at the edge of the stage, right by Annie's bare feet. They did make a new album then, Tuscany, which was all right, but it really was just a taster. I wanted more. Okay, so I really want another Turn of the Cards, but I know that's asking a lot. ;) (Btw, I learned after the fact that Tuscany was recorded in Terry Sullivan's home studio -- again, in my small New Forest town.) That show in London was the most recent time I've seen them, but it wasn't the only one. I saw them in Philadelphia several times in the '70s and in Denver and Boulder, Colorado, in the '80s. I know Annie still plays the occasional solo gig in the Philly area -- sometimes in other parts of the mid-Atlantic US region, but I don't get back there that often. Besides, I want the whole band. Ellen "Literature stops in 1100. After that, it's just books." - -- JRR Tolkien ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 May 2006 10:54:59 -0700 From: Paul Schreiber Subject: Re: things we don't get... Doug wrote: > Who is it...Emm Gryner? She's done an absolutely smashing cover of > Wild Horses.... AFAIK, Emm hasn't done this. Chantal Kreviazuk and Charlotte Martin have. Deb Talan has a song "Wild Horse," but that's something completely different. :) Paul shad 96c / uw cs 2001 / mac activist / fumbler / eda / headliner / navy-souper fan of / sophie b. / steve poltz / habs / bills / 49ers / "Poisoning the water because it won't flow in the direction one wants it to flow is misguided. Water will flow to the place defined by gravity and there's no court of man's law that will change that course." -- Rafael O. Quezada, to Pho [demime 0.97c-p1 removed an attachment of type application/pkcs7-signature which had a name of smime.p7s] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 May 2006 14:05:24 -0400 (GMT-04:00) From: Greg Dunn Subject: Re: things we don't get.../things we wish we got more of... Renaissance rules. That's all. :D Too bad John Tout doesn't tour with them; he was brilliant. Annie live is Philly? I should have tracked her down when I was there a while back. Haha. Pretty much concur with the other comments today... except I'm seen as an aberration in my local group of friends because I feel that Fleetwood Mac ended when Buckingham & Nicks joined the band. I much prefer the early blues-y work, especially with Peter Green. ;) - -----Original Message----- >From: Ellen Rawson >Sent: May 18, 2006 12:40 PM >To: ecto@smoe.org >Subject: Re: things we don't get.../things we wish we got more of... > >I want more Renaissance. They are my all-time >favourite band. Go ahead and flame me. ;) Drummer >Terry Sullivan even lives in my town, darn it! Annie >Haslam lives in the Philadelphia area now, near where >I grew up. (The president of her fan club used to live >-- may still live -- in my hometown just outside of >Philly.) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 May 2006 13:27:43 -0400 From: DanS <2005.carnivore99@verizon.net> Subject: Austin City Limits Festival Sept 15-17 2006 FYI, the 2006 Austin City Limits Festival has announced its huge lineup of performers, which can be seen at: http://www.aclfestival.com/lineup.aspx Dan ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 May 2006 13:20:52 -0500 From: Doug Subject: Re: things we don't get.../things we wish we got more of... I love Jane's first CD, self-titled, the most. I think it's as good as anything anyone has released...wow. Some of the rest of her collection is good, but nothing compares to that first CD. - --Doug On 5/18/06, Michael Pearce wrote: > I really wanted to like Jane Siberry but I failed. Except for > "Calling All Angels" her songs simply did not hit me at all. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 May 2006 14:23:18 -0400 From: breinheimer@webtv.net (bill) Subject: Re: things we can't get enough of/ musical "evolution" Now Adam , see what you've started. Sorry I didn't get this out a couple of days ago but things have been hectic here. I couldn't help but notice how many bands listed on this thread have been older, highly popular artists (dylan, stones, beatles, etc.). It seems likely there could be a few things at work here. One is that this music was so new and different "at that time" that it was almost revolutionary. Growing up during that time it "resonated" with me and, obviously, many others. In that way it could be compared to early jazz. There was a lot of great dixieland, ragtime and other jazz made early on but by the time of bebop and modern jazz those forms had become antiquated. It didn't make that early jazz any less important (or good) but younger audiences had the opportunity to hear new music by artists that had absorbed those older influences and created newer, often more sophisticated, forms of the same genre. Louie Armstrong was one of the giants of all twentieth century music but much of what he did is primitive by modern standards. And much of modern jazz would not exist without him or somebody life him. Classical music can be viewed in much the same way.. Assuming for a moment that mankind does not mess things up enough to undo this cycle (and everything else) there are a lot of younger people on this list who are likely to eventually find a new generation of fans who look upon their music the same way that someone my age might view rockabilly. Also this music was written and performed by "kids" for "kids". This is normal as, like it or not, it is the young people who drive the "business" of music. And kids tend to want to be individuals by rebelling against their parents and still be a part of a community by conforming to their peers. As someone smarter than me once said (and I paraphrase)- every new generation tends to view their art as art, their parents' art as crap and their grandparents' art as quaint. Additionally when you are younger your ability to appreciate complexity is not as developed as it is when you are older. I'm not counting people who stop "growing" musically by age 30 which I'm pretty sure does not describe anyone on this list. I apologize for the length. I've actually got more to write but I've got to get ready for work. This is plenty long enough . I will try to get the rest of my ramblings and amateur musicology out tomorrow before I go visit my dad (who is in the hospital). For all those overwhelmed by the prospect of more rambling just remember. This is all Adam's fault. :) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 May 2006 20:19:33 +0100 From: Chris Morriss Subject: Re: things we don't get.../things we wish we got more of... In message <446BB730.6030104@internode.on.net>, andrew fries writes >Julie B wrote: > >> Natalie Merchant -- I can't stand the voice. Listening to her cover >>of Patti Smith's Because the night is painful! (not that Patti sang >>like a bird, and yet I'll listen to her) > >Isn't it amazing how different we can be? I absolutely ADORE her voice, >an I mean just that - not the range, not the manner, but just the pure >sound her throat makes. I think it hits what, for me, turns out to be >the perfect balance between smoothness and raspiness. > >Having said that, "Because the night" is not my favourite song of hers. I love her singing of 'Gun Shy' on the live CD. - -- Chris Morriss ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 May 2006 15:24:25 -0400 (GMT-04:00) From: Greg Dunn Subject: Re: things we can't get enough of/ musical "evolution" >Additionally when you are younger your ability to appreciate complexity >is not as developed as it is when you are older. I'm not counting people >who stop "growing" musically by age 30 which I'm pretty sure does not >describe anyone on this list. Great post! I would be interested in seeing who else on this list falls into the pattern described above; my tolerance for, and appreciation of, complexity has steadily increased over the years. For example, I can now appreciate many modern orchestral composers that left me cold when I originally started listening to music; the abstract and less-melodic work of people like Messiaen, Ginestera, Bartok, Boulez, Ligeti, Takemitsu, Rozsa, etc. now demands and rewards my attention. Likewise, I still find great joy in discovering independent bands who exhibit a willingness to experiment with structure and complexity at the expense of radio-friendliness. But I still enjoy a properly-devised simple song; many of my new and long-time faves depend solely on voice and guitar/piano. I know I'm weird, but am curious as to who else is attracted by complexity and structure. :-) Oh, and solely as a benchmark, I'm 52. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 May 2006 20:17:38 +0100 From: Chris Morriss Subject: Re: things we don't get... In message <446B8C53.7060301@internode.on.net>, andrew fries writes >Michael Quinn wrote: >> the Stones mainly "inspired" a type of music I dislike so it's >>harder for me to respect that. > >The best thing about the Stones is they wrote 'Wild Horses': it was >nothing special to begin with, but it became a sublime masterpiece when >performed by the Sundays. > >It is almost enough to forgive them their other 30+ years :) > >... well... that, and say what you will, but 'Satisfaction' is a rock >classic. I'm old enough to think that the version of 'Wild Horses' by Melanie (Safka) was good! - -- Chris Morriss ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 May 2006 16:53:59 -0400 From: meredith Subject: Re: Austin City Limits Festival Sept 15-17 2006 Hi, DanS wrote: > FYI, the 2006 Austin City Limits Festival has announced its huge lineup > of performers, which can be seen at: > http://www.aclfestival.com/lineup.aspx Crikey -- there were fewer bands at SXSW!! (Well, not really ... but still. Yow.) - -- =============================================== Meredith Tarr New Haven, CT USA mailto:meth@smoe.org http://www.smoe.org/meth =============================================== hear at the HOMe House Concert Series http://hom.smoe.org =============================================== ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 May 2006 14:40:42 -0700 From: Ethan Straffin Subject: Re: things we don't get.../things we wish we got more of... Greg Dunn wrote: >Pretty much concur with the other comments today... except I'm seen as an aberration in my local group of friends because I feel that Fleetwood Mac ended when Buckingham & Nicks joined the band. I much prefer the early blues-y work, especially with Peter Green. ;) > > Have to say, I *really* liked _Say You Will_ (their most recent album), which surprised me because my attitude toward FM prior to that had always been, "Meh, I can take them or leave them." Ethan ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 May 2006 15:55:50 -0700 From: Greg Bossert Subject: Re: things we can't get enough of/ musical "evolution" On May 18, 2006, at 12:24 PM, Greg Dunn wrote: >> Additionally when you are younger your ability to appreciate >> complexity >> is not as developed as it is when you are older. > > Great post! I would be interested in seeing who else on this list > falls into the pattern described above; my tolerance for, and > appreciation of, complexity has steadily increased over the years. yah (and "good post" yourself...!). i've always listened to a wide range of stuff, even compared to ecto standards, but here at a distinguished 44 years of age that range is wider than ever. just for the record -- and in no way meaning to disagree with anyone in particular -- i'd say that i "get" every single one of the artists mentioned so far in this thread. then again, one of the few recordings of mine ever to get on the radio was made by strapping a microphone to a toy store "Zoob Tube" and holding it in front of a guitar amp while it fed back wildly, so go figure... - -- www.suddensound.com -- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 May 2006 15:43:47 -0700 From: Greg Bossert Subject: Re: Crazy good news for Tribe fans cool indeed, particularly since my copy of that rare first CD is currently missing... they were really nice guys, too -- we (jessica and i and various ectofolk) hung out with them a bunch of times, before they utterly disappeared... thanks for the info! 'tah. - -g - -- www.suddensound.com -- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 May 2006 18:45:03 -0500 From: "Kim Justice" Subject: Re: things we can't get enough of/ musical "evolution" On 5/18/06, Greg Bossert wrote: > [...] > then again, one of the few recordings of mine ever to get on the > radio was made by strapping a microphone to a toy store "Zoob Tube" > and holding it in front of a guitar amp while it fed back wildly, so > go figure... > > -- www.suddensound.com -- A Zappa fan, I see! - -- Kim Justice justicekw@gmail.com 615.406.4579 (uses no mins if you have Verizon Wireless) "There can always be new beginnings -- even for people like us" - --Susan Ivanova ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 May 2006 10:00:01 -0700 From: Nadyne Mielke Subject: Re: things we don't get.../things we wish we got more of... On 18/5/06 09:27, "Michael Pearce" wrote: > I didn't "get" Madonna because there was nothing to "get." She had a > couple of good songs (like "Live To Tell") because in obedience to > Sturgeon's Law, nobody is 100% awful. Well maybe the Spears and > Simpsons axis, but they aren't even trying. Madonna was the Microsoft > of music: all marketing layered on top of a thin layer of talent, > overproduced beyond belief. I just hope Microsoft suffers the same > fate: descent into irrelevance and ignored by most of the world. Don't forget that ectophiles work for all sorts of employers! :) /nm ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 May 2006 17:16:54 -0700 From: Greg Bossert Subject: Re: things we can't get enough of/ musical "evolution" On May 18, 2006, at 4:45 PM, Kim Justice wrote: > On 5/18/06, Greg Bossert wrote: >> [...] >> then again, one of the few recordings of mine ever to get on the >> radio was made by strapping a microphone to a toy store "Zoob Tube" >> and holding it in front of a guitar amp while it fed back wildly, so >> go figure... > > A Zappa fan, I see! nah, i never got Zappa... ;-) there *was* until recently an amazing "youtube" video of a young, dapper Zappa (clean shaven, in a suit) on the Steve Allen show, playing a bicycle with orchestral accompaniment. alas, it's been removed... - -g - -- www.suddensound.com -- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 May 2006 19:06:45 -0600 From: neal copperman Subject: Fwd: Gnarls Barkley LOVES Holly! Good thing ecto had already introduced me to GB so I had some idea of what this was about! neal np: Luz de Lisboa - Helder Moutinho >X-Qmail-Scanner-Mail-From: webmaster@hollypalmer.com via o11.hostbaby.com >X-Qmail-Scanner: 1.25 (Clear:RC:1(127.0.0.1):. Processed in 0.025746 secs) >To: neal@swcp.com >From: "Bombshell Records" >Subject: Gnarls Barkley LOVES Holly! >Date: Thu, 18 May 2006 17:39:09 -0700 >X-Virus-Status: Clean > >Gnarls Barkley LOVES Holly! > >Okay gang, get ready....Holly Palmer has just been asked to join the >Gnarls Barkley band to tour the WORLD! She is in London right now >singing with "him" on all kinds of TV shows and concerts. On >Saturday May 20th, the whole entourage flies back to New York to do >the first American club show at Webster Hall on Monday the 22nd. >But, you die hard Hollies, don't despair! See, while she's out with >Gnarls, she's going to be doing her own solo tour at the same time. >Case in point, you New Yorkers can go see her first show on her own >world tour at 10 pm at Arlene's Grocery on Tuesday May 23rd! Come at >8 pm for extra rocking with Holly's hometown homie, Clifford Lane >and his band, AVERAGE SUPERSTAR. Now, for all you lovelies living >outside of the city, you can catch HP back with Gnarls the next >night on Conan O'Brian. > >By the way, if you missed her on Sundays at Guy's Bar in Los Angeles >over the last few months, check her tour schedule on my space. >Whenever she's back in town, if it's a Sunday, she'll be back there >singing a song or two around midnight. > >As always check http://www.myspace.com/hollypalmer for tour dates >and the most up to date HP information. > >Arlene's Grocery is at 95 Stanton Street, NYC and the cover is $8.00. > > >--------------------------------------------------------------- >Change your info? Stop the emails? Easy! Just click this link: >http://hollypalmer.com/hostbaby/i?i=248&p=HUaXtymY31od3X4ynfpM ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 May 2006 15:05:51 +1200 From: "Karen Hester" Subject: music at our workplace Yesterday there was an experimental classical/jazz ensemble riding up and down our three flights of escalators playing brass, percussion and singing. This went on for about an hour. Other than a specific droning/quavering section that got inside my stomach and made some of my workmates feel ill, it was rather pleasant. Sometimes it was like a mediaeval procession, with chiming bells and monkish vocals. Othertimes the escalator-riding made it look like a musical machine. The noises would rise and fall as the players rode their circuit. It's NZ music month and stuff like this happens. There was a comedy ukelele orchestra featuring Fitwit (Frodo is great, who is that?). Better than a bunch of workers all plugged into their own iPods, anyway :) Karen ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 May 2006 00:18:50 EDT From: SpiritWe@aol.com Subject: **RACHAEL SAGE IN LOUISVILLE, KY FRI & SAT@ Non-COMM!** HEY Y'ALL! Rachael will be doing two rare shows - or showcases, rather - as part of the Non-COMMvention in Louisville, this Fri & Sat. Even though the official events are for music industry attendees only, these two showcases are technically open to the public; however, the vibe will be intimate (!) & seating will be extremely limited, so to ensure your spot please arrive at our suite by 1am or chances are you'll be listening out in the hallway. Rachael has not played Louisville since she opened for Ani DiFranco there in 1998, so she's truly excited to be coming through again, and to see some familiar faces! For more info on the Non-COMMvention visit: http://triplearadio.com/noncomm/ xoxoxo & light, The Folks @ MPress === **MPRESS RECORDS SHOWCASES @ NONCOMMVENTION** ...Don't miss Rachael Sage performing acoustically: Friday, May 19 - 1:15AM MPress Suite #925 Brown Hotel 335 West Broadway Louisville, KY also: Saturday, May 20 - 1:15AM MPress Suite #925 Brown Hotel 335 West Broadway Louisville, KY *Drinks & refreshments will be served! Seating is limited; please arrive between 1 and 1:15am to ensure your space; Rachael performs approximately at 1:30am, both nights. === "NEW ARRIVALS: VOLUME ONE" IN STORES FEBRUARY 7TH! A Gulf Coast Relief Benefit Compilation from MPress Records... Featuring tracks by 17 rising artists & a bonus track by Jill Sobule! www.newarrivalscd.com * www.mpressrecords.com * 1.877.878.7243 Publicity: www.deviousplanet.com * Label Contact: info@mpressrecords.com === RACHAEL SAGE ON TOUR NOW - VISIT WEBSITE FOR UPDATES! New album "The Blistering Sun" in stores & at radio now... www.rachaelsage.com * www.myspace.com/rachaelsage Bookings: www.sectalentgroup.net * elizabeth@sectalentgroup.net ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 May 2006 00:38:43 -0400 From: wojizzle forizzle Subject: Re: Crazy good news for Tribe fans one time at band camp, Greg Bossert (bossert@suddensound.com) said: >cool indeed, particularly since my copy of that rare first CD is >currently missing... fortunately, jefe knows where his is! or at least did when he burned me a copy of it. ;) i found a few live recordings of tribe i made back when they were touring for _sleeper_. one (toad's place, new haven) is incomplete and the other (avalon, new york city) is really rough but there is some salvagable stuff there. i'll try to upload them somewhere soon (or send them to steve latham if he wants to host them). woj ------------------------------ End of ecto-digest V12 #129 ***************************