From: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org (ecto-digest) To: ecto-digest@smoe.org Subject: ecto-digest V12 #72 Reply-To: ecto@smoe.org Sender: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk ecto-digest Saturday, March 18 2006 Volume 12 : Number 072 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Today's your birthday, friend... [Mike Matthews ] thea news [adamk@zoom.co.uk] Re: thea news [Bernie Mojzes ] Interesting article [Michael Pearce ] Re: Interesting article [DanS <2005.carnivore99@verizon.net>] Re: Interesting article [andrew fries ] Re: Interesting article [neal copperman ] Re: Interesting article [robert bristow-johnson ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 03:00:03 -0500 (EST) From: Mike Matthews Subject: Today's your birthday, friend... i*i*i*i*i*i i*i*i*i*i*i *************** *****HAPPY********* **************BIRTHDAY********* *************************************************** *************************************************************************** **************** Patrick M. Kingsley (pmk6n@virginia.edu) ***************** *************************************************************************** -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- - -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Patrick M. Kingsley Sat March 17 1962 Yin/Yang Alan Sodoma Thu March 18 1965 LuckyLurker Richard Konrad Sat March 18 1944 Pisces Daniel Wed March 18 1959 Wednesday's Child Barry Wong Thu March 19 1970 Merlin Graham Dombkins Fri March 19 1965 Pisces Ian Young Wed March 19 1969 Squiggol Jeff Wasilko Wed March 19 1969 Pisces Geoff Carre Sat March 20 1954 Pisces John Stewart Sat March 21 1970 Aries Bob Brown Thu March 22 1951 Ham Valerie Nozick Thu March 25 1971 Aries Tom Proven Sat March 27 1971 Eat at Joe's Jennifer Albert Wed March 30 1966 Aries (w/Cancer rising!:) Warpaint Mon April 01 1991 Brilliant! Michael Pearce Wed April 03 1946 Pegasus Michael E. Bravo Mon April 05 1971 Dandelion Wine Brion McIntosh Sun April 06 1958 Aries Marcel Kshensky Thu April 06 1950 Aries Bill Mazur Mon April 06 1953 Aries Sun/Cancer Rising David Dixon Tue April 07 1970 Aries Heidi Heller Mon April 08 1974 Aries Jill Hughes Sat April 09 1955 Aries Klaus Kluge Sun April 10 1960 Unicorn Steve VanDevender Sun April 10 1966 Racer Art Liestman Fri April 10 1953 Repeat Stephen Golden Sat April 10 1971 Jokey Michael Bowman Wed April 11 1962 Aries Wolfgang Ullwer Fri April 11 1969 Widder Janet Kirsch Thu April 11 1974 Aries Jerry Tue April 13 1971 Aries Stuart Myerburg Mon April 14 1969 Aries T-Bone Wed April 15 1992 happy cat Jeff Hanson Sat April 16 1966 Aries Michael Klouda Mon April 17 1967 Aries - -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 12:11:04 +0000 From: adamk@zoom.co.uk Subject: thea news Well, bad news...Thea Gilmore's new album, "Harpo's Ghost", originally due for a spring release has been postponed until later in the year because...because of the bloody football. The bloody world cup. I knew there was a reason I hated sports. They're now talking August, when everyone's managed to tear themselves away from their TV screens. Bloody sports. adam k. - ----------------------------------------------- This mail sent through http://webmail.zoom.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 09:08:44 -0500 (EST) From: Bernie Mojzes Subject: Re: thea news just be glad it's REAL football instead of that weird stuff they call football on this side of the pond... while extremely confused, you said: > Well, bad news...Thea Gilmore's new album, "Harpo's Ghost", originally due for > a spring release has been postponed until later in the year because...because > of the bloody football. The bloody world cup. > > I knew there was a reason I hated sports. > > They're now talking August, when everyone's managed to tear themselves away > from their TV screens. > > Bloody sports. > > adam k. > > > > ----------------------------------------------- > This mail sent through http://webmail.zoom.co.uk > - -- brni i don't want the world, i just want your half. www.livejournal.com/~brni ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 09:03:15 -0800 From: Michael Pearce Subject: Interesting article Why people don't buy much current music any more - an unexpected reason. http://www.cdmasteringservices.com/dynamicrange.htm ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 13:34:27 -0500 From: DanS <2005.carnivore99@verizon.net> Subject: Re: Interesting article I'm not sure if it really has much impact on why people don't buy CDs, but the rest of the points in the article are dead-on. If you've ever ripped an audio track from CD and then loaded it into an audio editor, it usually looks like someone took a razor blade and sliced all the peaks off in a straight line across the top of the waveform. It amazes me how an amplifier can even make something that looks like a square wave sound like a drum beat. Anybody who knows anything about high fidelity will tell you how wrong this is. I'm glad somebody finally printed this, but somehow I doubt his point will get across where it matters any time soon. The days where audio (now A/V) manufacturers used to compete for the best high fidelity sound, and hi-fi publications used to scrutinize every audio component for the slightest flaw seem to be gone, replaced by the quest to support more and more compressed and degraded digital formats. This guy seems to be a lone voice in the audio wilderness - -- hopefully others will eventually follow. Baby steps back to where we were 20 years ago, I guess. Dan Michael Pearce wrote: >Why people don't buy much current music any more - an unexpected reason. > >http://www.cdmasteringservices.com/dynamicrange.htm ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2006 07:27:05 +1100 From: andrew fries Subject: Re: Interesting article Michael Pearce wrote: > Why people don't buy much current music any more - an unexpected reason. > > http://www.cdmasteringservices.com/dynamicrange.htm It was an interesting article, but I don't really believe the lack of dynamic range could be the reason people buy less music. Well, it might be some tiny fraction, but hardly enough to notice among so many other factors. Besides as the author himself says, by now a whole generation simply doesn't know any better - so how would this affect their choices? Notice this article only seems to talk about mainstream music, radio-friendly formats and Grammy nominations. I would like to ask those of you who have some idea about these things - does this issue affect our 'ecto' type music, and if so, to the same degree? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 17:26:25 -0700 From: neal copperman Subject: Re: Interesting article Interesting to think about. I have noticed exactly what Dan is saying and was curious why it sounded ok. The sound waves look exactly the same as when I make my own recordings, but set the levels too high and clip all the high and low extremes. But they generally sound ok. On a mix CD, I have to filter those kind of tracks down, as they blast out of the CD player next to songs with more full spectrum levels. And I just thought it was bad mixing! neal At 1:34 PM -0500 3/17/06, DanS wrote: >I'm not sure if it really has much impact on why people don't buy >CDs, but the rest of the points in the article are dead-on. If >you've ever ripped an audio track from CD and then loaded it into an >audio editor, it usually looks like someone took a razor blade and >sliced all the peaks off in a straight line across the top of the >waveform. It amazes me how an amplifier can even make something >that looks like a square wave sound like a drum beat. Anybody who >knows anything about high fidelity will tell you how wrong this is. > >I'm glad somebody finally printed this, but somehow I doubt his >point will get across where it matters any time soon. The days >where audio (now A/V) manufacturers used to compete for the best >high fidelity sound, and hi-fi publications used to scrutinize every >audio component for the slightest flaw seem to be gone, replaced by >the quest to support more and more compressed and degraded digital >formats. This guy seems to be a lone voice in the audio wilderness >-- hopefully others will eventually follow. Baby steps back to where >we were 20 years ago, I guess. > >Dan > > >Michael Pearce wrote: >>Why people don't buy much current music any more - an unexpected reason. >> >>http://www.cdmasteringservices.com/dynamicrange.htm ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 20:53:07 -0500 From: robert bristow-johnson Subject: Re: Interesting article on 03/17/2006 12:03, Michael Pearce at mp@moonmac.com wrote: > Why people don't buy much current music any more - an unexpected reason. > > http://www.cdmasteringservices.com/dynamicrange.htm this is something that audio engineers (both the practitioners and the electrical/mechanical engineers that design the gear the practitioners use) have been talking about for about a decade. i remember a demonstration ca. 1999 when the speaker played a snippet from a Ricky Martin CD and displayed the track from an editing program on the screen. it was nearly flat (nearly infinite compression ratio) and just below the rails. pretty disgusting. - -- r b-j rbj@audioimagination.com "Imagination is more important than knowledge." ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 22:30:00 -0500 From: "JoAnn Whetsell" Subject: mistresses of irish song In the spirit of the day, I thought I'd mention some Irish/Celtic albums I've been listening to lately. Happy St. Patrick's Day to all. JoAnn Altan - - Local Ground I only discovered this album (released in 2005) this year, but I've been enjoying it for weeks. It's a mostly upbeat, very spirited collection of songs, with a good mix of instrumental and vocal tracks. The band is equally good at both. Altan manages to make traditional music non-traditional. They sound contemporary without adding any pop inflections to the music. Highly recommended for all fans of Celtic sounds, traditional or modern. Very good and insghtyul reviews from FolkWorld at http://www.folkworld.de/31/e/cds3.html#alt and http://www.folkworld.de/31/e/cds6.html#alta Mary Jane Lamond - StorasAlso released last year, Storas combines some of the energe of Suas e!, the contemporary sound and production of Lan Duil, and the sonority of Gaelic Songs from Cape Breton. All with Mary Jane's beautiful voice. Highly recommended. Clannad - Live In ConcertAnother 2005 release, this album's tracks were actually recorded in 1996. The tracks skew to their earlier, more traditional material, but with the contemporary feel with which they approached later work such as Lore. It's a winning mixture of the two. Mary Black - Song for IrelandThe unifying theme of Irish songs (in subject and style) makes this a very nice retrospective of Mary Black's work (mostly solo, but one track from The Black Family is included). Fans of traditional music will find this album a pleasure to hear. ------------------------------ End of ecto-digest V12 #72 **************************