From: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org (ecto-digest) To: ecto-digest@smoe.org Subject: ecto-digest V11 #329 Reply-To: ecto@smoe.org Sender: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk ecto-digest Thursday, December 1 2005 Volume 11 : Number 329 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Myspace etc.. ["Xenu's Sister" ] Today's your birthday, friend... [Mike Matthews ] Spoof RIAA story, courtesy of The Onion [adamk@zoom.co.uk] amy x neuberg in nyc [wojizzle forizzle ] The Lunatics in Toronto and Jane [Kiri Hargie ] Re: Myspace etc.. [Profjava@aol.com] Re: Myspace etc.. [Profjava@aol.com] to raven/john's message [Profjava@aol.com] Re: Myspace etc.. [Profjava@aol.com] aolhell quoting doesn't show quotes in ecto [Profjava@aol.com] aolhell replies part 2 [Profjava@aol.com] Re: The Lunatics in Toronto and Jane [meredith ] Re: Myspace etc.. [Bernie Mojzes ] Re: aolhell quoting doesn't show quotes in ecto [Bernie Mojzes ] Re: Myspace etc.. ["Xenu's Sister" ] Re: Myspace etc.. [meredith ] Re:Kate Bush ads [Amanda Williams ] Re: aolhell quoting doesn't show quotes in ecto [Greg Bossert ] Re: Kate Bush ads [meredith ] Re: streaming captures [Profjava@aol.com] KRe: Kate Bush ads [Neile Graham ] Re: streaming captures [wojizzle forizzle ] Re: Myspace etc.. [Dan S <2005.carnivore99@verizon.net>] Re: myspace and blue line quotes [Dave ] Re: myspace and blue line quotes [Bernie Mojzes ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 23:28:41 -0800 (PST) From: "Xenu's Sister" Subject: Re: Myspace etc.. I *want* Happy"s music to play automatically. Most people won't listen otherwise. It's one of those thing you expect to happen anyway. The majority of bands have their music play automatically. It's expected. It goes with MySpace territory. If I already have music playing I have my finger hovering near where the stop button is and stop it before it gets going. - -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ Music, all I hear is music, guaranteed to please... Happy's MySpace profile: http://www.myspace.com/happyrhodes Happy Rhodes song samples and rarities: http://wretchawry.com - -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 03:00:02 -0500 (EST) From: Mike Matthews Subject: Today's your birthday, friend... i*i*i*i*i*i i*i*i*i*i*i *************** *****HAPPY********* **************BIRTHDAY********* *************************************************** *************************************************************************** ********************* Mirko Bulaja (no Email address) ********************* *************************************************************************** -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- - -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Mirko Bulaja Sat November 30 1974 Block Juha Sorva Thu December 02 1976 Sagittarius Chip Lueck Thu December 05 1968 Sagittarius Lenore December 05 sagi Michele Wellck December 08 Sagittarius Jeremy J. Corry Fri December 11 1970 Sagittarius Renee Canada Tue December 13 1977 Sagittarius Julie C. Kammerzell Sun December 15 1968 Sagittarius/Scorpio combo Gloria Jackson-Nefertiti Sat December 15 1956 queen_nefertiti@prodigy.net Laura Clifford Tue December 17 1957 Sagittarius Dirk Kastens Tue December 17 1963 Sagittarius Milla Wed December 17 1975 Sagittarius Chris Schernwetter Tue December 17 1974 Sagittarius Sherry Haddock Sat December 17 1960 Sagittarius Tracy Benbrook Tue December 18 1973 Sagittarius Mark Lowry Mon December 22 1969 Capricarius Kay Cleaves Wed December 22 1976 Prancing Pony Uli Grepel Wed December 25 1968 Steinbock Joseph Wasicek Sat December 25 1976 Brown Eagle Stuart Castergine Mon December 30 1963 You Are Here - -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 12:22:07 +0000 From: adamk@zoom.co.uk Subject: Spoof RIAA story, courtesy of The Onion From our friends at The Onion, which everyone should visit at least once a week (www.theonion.com): "RIAA Bans Telling Friends About Songs LOS ANGELESThe Recording Industry Association of America announced Tuesday that it will be taking legal action against anyone discovered telling friends, acquaintances, or associates about new songs, artists, or albums. "We are merely exercising our right to defend our intellectual properties from unauthorized peer-to-peer notification of the existence of copyrighted material," a press release signed by RIAA anti-piracy director Brad Buckles read. "We will aggressively prosecute those individuals who attempt to pirate our property by generating 'buzz' about any proprietary music, movies, or software, or enjoy same in the company of anyone other than themselves." RIAA attorneys said they were also looking into the legality of word-of- mouth "favorites-sharing" sites, such as coffee shops, universities, and living rooms". - ----------------------------------------------- This mail sent through http://webmail.zoom.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 08:49:20 -0500 From: wojizzle forizzle Subject: amy x neuberg in nyc - ----- Forwarded message from Amy X Neuburg ----- Dearest Everyones: Please mark your calendars for Saturday December 10, when I'll be showing off my new trio of Cello ChiX (Jess Ivry, Elaine Kreston, and Kelley Maulbetsch) at Roulette! Saturday December 10, 8:30 PM Roulette @ Location 1 gallery: 26 Greene St. (twixt Canal & Grand), NYC Reservations: 212-219-8242 $12 admission; $8 students/srs and Harvestworks, Location One and DTW members; free to Roulette members http://www.roulette.org The chiX and I will present selections from my in-progress song cycle "The Secret Language of Subways" for voice, cello trio and live electronics, and I'll also perform some new-ish solo works. Hope to see you! Love and xx -- a .... .... This email isn't funny at all. Oh wait..... Uh... no, never mind. .... ********************************** Please let me know if you would like to be removed from this list. No hard feelings; no questions asked. - -- ++++++++++++++++++++++++ Amy X Neuburg http://www.amyxneuburg.com ++++++++++++++++++++++++ - ----- End forwarded message ----- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 05:56:50 -0800 From: Kiri Hargie Subject: The Lunatics in Toronto and Jane Hey Toronto Ectophiles, Just slightly off the beaten ecto path - If you're an art fan - just wanted to let you know that my co-collaborators and I are putting on a show at the Emmersive Gallery aka DeLeon White Gallery at 1096 Queen St. W. Toronto, Ontario, Canada from Dec. 1 - 11. More info: http://www.emmersive.org/lunatics.htm The music for our installation was composed international award-winning composer Adam Goddard - and coincidentally is pretty ecto-philic. I'm in town until the 5th and will be manning the station, so if you stop by, definitely say hi. In other news saw Jane Siberry perform in Portland last Saturday. Emotionally wrenching but fantastic show for me. Love the idea of the pay what you want Sheeba store that Steve and Jane mentioned earlier. Wish I had seen the double bill of Jane and Jorane in SF, did anyone go? If you get a chance to see Jane on tour, I can definitely recommend. It was thoroughly enjoyable. ciao 4 now, Kiri ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 09:51:07 EST From: Profjava@aol.com Subject: Re: Myspace etc.. In a message dated 11/29/2005 10:42:47 PM Eastern Standard Time, brni@kappamaki.com writes: Ok, by "potential advertisement," here's what I mean: I brought up http://www.myspace.com/ in a browser. Right under the banner on the left hand side is a box that says "Cool New People." There's 2 pictures (...jUIcE... and Truppo). Presumably Truppo did not post her picture on the front page of www.myspace.com - the people at myspace.com did, or some algorithm determined it, or whatever. The verbiage in the TOS says they can do that - you put it up, they can use it. It's reasonably standard cover-one's-butt language. What I look for when deciding to use a service is some statement that says "you own your stuff, and you give us non-exclusive right to publish it while you use the service." There *have* been companies that have laid claim to any intellectual property that passes through their gates (one free email provider claimed that they owned intellectual property of anything discussed in any email sent from or to any of their email addresses, which is insane). Regarding the original reading of the myspace.com TOS, I tried looking in the wayback machine ( http://www.archive.org ) to see how it used to read, but unfortunately, myspace.com has blocked archiving. Hm, you are right about how they do the Cool New People thing. Iinteresting that myspace has blocked archiving since they don't give the users any way to keep our own blogs protection from robots (unlike Live Journal). I'm sure when Claire Raby posted that concern originally in her blog that Vickie read, it must have been quoting the TOS correctly in 2004 when it evidently talked about derivative works. Here is what Claire said it said in 2004: >>."By posting Content on any public area of MySpace.com, you automatically grant as well as represent and warrant that you have the right to grant to MySpace.com, an irrevocable, perpetual, non-exclusive, fully paid, worldwide license to use, copy, perform, display, and distribute such information and content to MySpace.com and that MySpace.com has the right to prepare derivative works of, or incorporate into other works, such information and content, and to grant and authorize sublicenses of the foregoing."<< ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 09:57:19 EST From: Profjava@aol.com Subject: Re: Myspace etc.. In a message dated 11/29/2005 11:06:42 PM Eastern Standard Time, raven@igc.org writes: Sigh... if people would just *look* at their MySpace configuration options, they can *turn off* automatic music, and other things... see "account settings", then "privacy settings", check last box that says "disable band songs from automatically starting". I'm aware of that setting but it doesn't work on individual pages. I had to remove an mp3 I added to my personal page because using that setting simply removed the entire MP3 from my page. I had an either/or situation. If I left the option off, the music played automatically. When I set the option ON in my Account settings, it took the whole MP3 off my page. Maybe it works for other people but it didn't work for me and that is why I had to take an MP3 off my personal page that I had previously added to my page by using the Add button on an mp3 I liked. Perhaps I needed to already have the option set before I had added the MP3 and it caused a glitch when I changed the settings after adding it. Now for a MUSIC SPACE page, the situation is different. You don't go to Account settings to do it. You go to the mp3 you uploaded and set it in the Manage Songs area. Completely different situation from personal pages. The person I was writing to was someone I was writing from a band page I help do; I was not writing her about my personal page, although I'm sure she meant she has the problem on any sort of page. The band page I do has never had the music play automatically; we set it that way. You need not assume people are so stupid that we don't know what the Account Settings are. I do know about them in detail, but thanks. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 10:03:20 EST From: Profjava@aol.com Subject: to raven/john's message In a message dated 11/29/2005 11:06:42 PM Eastern Standard Time, raven@igc.org writes: >I Sigh... if people would just *look* at their MySpace configuration options, they can *turn off* automatic music, and other things... see "account settings", then "privacy settings", check last box that says "disable band songs from automatically starting". I should say this though, I will try the option again since you imply the option does work. I will now try setting the option to not play mp3s automatically *before* I add the mp3 from a music page into my personal page. Maybe it will work, so thanks for the head's up. It didn't work when I originally tried it but I already had the Mp3 up when I later set it that way, which may have caused the glitch. And since you were replying to things I said, I guess I thought you were under the impression I didn't know about the account settings, but I see that actually you really meant that in general the many, many people on myspace who do not turn off the automatic play thing evidently do not know about the settings. I think you are right about this, John. And some people know about the settings and just think it's cool to automatically play them. Sorry for my previous wording of my reply. The band pages are done differently of course, as I explained previously. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 10:11:08 EST From: Profjava@aol.com Subject: Re: Myspace etc.. In a message dated 11/30/2005 2:38:51 AM Eastern Standard Time, xenussister@yahoo.com writes: I *want* Happy"s music to play automatically. Most people won't listen otherwise. It's one of those thing you expect to happen anyway. The majority of bands have their music play automatically. It's expected. It goes with MySpace territory. If I already have music playing I have my finger hovering near where the stop button is and stop it before it gets going. There are people who immediately close a page if it is blasting music when they browse it while at work during their lunch break and do not return to that page again. It also causes some browsers to crash if they have to load an mp3 automatically. By now most people should know they're going to find many pages playing music automatically if they go to myspace but I have read on a profile that some people do not like it. Including a woman who recently added a band page I help maintain. We don't have the mp3 set to play automatically. That doesn't mean that your point of view isn't valid however. Maybe the gains you make via autoplay are more valuable than worrying about the people who won't come back who didn't want something to automatically play. Not everyone is as quick on the trigger finger with finding the Stop button as you are though. I'm not, for instance. Our band blog used to autoplay a sound effect we had set in the blog Customization settings but we stopped doing that for now because of concerns we had about causing people to just avoid going there who don't like autoplay. It also can jam up some slower machines so that the page loads slower if they don't have a lot of ram and that can cause another reason for someone not to return to a page. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 10:29:09 EST From: Profjava@aol.com Subject: aolhell quoting doesn't show quotes in ecto I tried to reply to a few posts today in Ecto and forgot to use the >>>> brackets because of the fact that I was seeing a blue line on the left that is not reproduced in the ecto messages. I will try to condense all the replies into this one mass reply since it was too hard to tell who I was quoting in the previous messages of today. The below message is not quoting anyone, just recapping what I'd tried to say I wrote a message about Vickie's wanting to play things automatically, pointing out that some people are at work (such as during lunch) when they view a page and immediately close a page that is blasting music and never return. Others don't stay on a page but a second if it is loading slowly because they have only a little RAM and the mp3 is jamming things up. But I noted Vickie might be right that maybe she makes more gains autoplaying than not, who knows. I have encountered people who complained in their profiles about pages that autoplay music. And many people aren't as handy with the Stop button as maybe we'd like to assume they should be; I'm not. I mentioned we took a sound effect out of blog customizations because sometimes there's no way to stop the sound if you don't want to hear it in a blog (since that's not using the mp3 player), especially if you're in Firefox. I wrote one message to bernie agreeing with him about the myspace TOS seeming to be allowing them to do advertisements, like Cool New People. So I started wondering about what that might mean re: mp3s, though many bands people may not mind that as long as the way it would be playing in a "myspace ad" is the same way that the person set it (ie., streaming rather than download). It is strange to think you're giving them the right to do anything with your content until you take it down, to the extreme of even your mp3s, but who knows. I also asked if anyone knows if streamed mp3s can be captured and converted to an mp3 by someone with the right software, which would be something I'd want to know for future info, and that question has nothing to do with the myspace TOS. And I was mistaken in something John/raven said which he was actually meaning in regard to all the myspace users who play their songs on their personal pages automatically without realizing they have an Account Settings option to turn it off; he'd been replying to me so I thought he meant me, but he didn't, sorry, John. I did have problems making that option work a couple of weeks ago in my personal page so I just stopped using the Add feature in adding someone else's mp3 to my personal page but I'll retry it again by setting the settting *before* I add the mp3 from someone's page (a feature of myspace where you click the ADD button in a band's mp3 player) to my personal page. And I mentioned that in band pages, you set this in the Manage Songs area, not the Account Settings, of course And I wrote privately asking about this anti-adware software Vickie uses is for handling myspace for one thing after being reminded of it by a post by someone else, but I may as well just include that comment here. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 10:42:33 EST From: Profjava@aol.com Subject: aolhell replies part 2 I didn't remember to include in that condensed summary of replies that I see now also that part of my earlier reply today to bernie duplicated two paragraphs. And I forgot to put in the condensed reply that he told me he quotes everyone here using the "extremely confused" intro sentence, which is funny. I think I've seen that before from him and just forgot. Of course now that I've had to repost my posts thanks to aolhell's blue line not showing up to indicate quoted replies, I guess my posts are indeed looking confused now! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 11:20:39 -0500 From: meredith Subject: Re: The Lunatics in Toronto and Jane Hi, Kiri Hargie wrote: > Hey Toronto Ectophiles, Kiri!!! Good to see you around here again. :) I take it you've moved on from Toronto -- to Portland, then? > Wish I had seen the double bill of Jane and Jorane in SF, did anyone > go? OMG, Jane *and* Jorane?!? I don't think I would've survived that. Speaking of Ms. Siberry, is anyone planning to see her when she comes to the Northeast later on this month? woj and I are definitely planning to see her at the Acoustic Cafe in Bridgeport, CT on Saturday the 17th. (Jane at the Cafe is becoming a yearly holiday ritual for us -- I think that's so cool. :) - -- =============================================== Meredith Tarr New Haven, CT USA mailto:meth@smoe.org http://www.smoe.org/meth =============================================== hear at the HOMe House Concert Series http://hom.smoe.org =============================================== ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 15:12:24 -0500 (EST) From: Bernie Mojzes Subject: Re: Myspace etc.. Yes, exactly the thing I was describing. I suspect that in most cases the lawyers put that in so's they can obtain the rights to things if they decide they want to later, and that it's a standard legalese get-anything-you-can-get-away-with thing rather than a considered corporate policy. However, it is for this reason that I'm very suspicious of posting stuff anywhere where the company hasn't come out very explicitly right from the beginning to say: "you own your stuff and retain all rights to it." Bernie while (not entirely) extremely confused, you said: > Here is what Claire said it said in 2004: > > >>."By posting Content on any public area of MySpace.com, you automatically > grant as well as represent and warrant that you have the right to grant to > MySpace.com, an irrevocable, perpetual, non-exclusive, fully paid, worldwide > license to use, copy, perform, display, and distribute such information and content > to MySpace.com and that MySpace.com has the right to prepare derivative works > of, or incorporate into other works, such information and content, and to > grant and authorize sublicenses of the foregoing."<< > - -- brni i don't want the world, i just want your half. www.livejournal.com/~brni ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 15:40:31 -0500 (EST) From: Bernie Mojzes Subject: Re: aolhell quoting doesn't show quotes in ecto while extremely confused, you said: > I also asked if anyone knows if streamed mp3s can be captured and > converted to an mp3 by someone with the right software, which would be > something I'd want to know for future info, and that question has > nothing to do with the myspace TOS. the short answer is yes. anything that is a packet that hits your computer can be captured, with the right software. for example, SDP ( http://sdp.ppona.com/ ) is one for windoze machines for capturing streaming multimedia. i'm not sure whether it does mp3 stuff or not - haven't really tried. but where there's a will there's a way, as they say. - -- brni i don't want the world, i just want your half. www.livejournal.com/~brni ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 15:43:01 -0500 From: wojizzle forizzle Subject: Re: aolhell quoting doesn't show quotes in ecto one time at band camp, Bernie Mojzes (brni@kappamaki.com) said: >for example, SDP ( http://sdp.ppona.com/ ) is one for windoze machines for >capturing streaming multimedia. i'm not sure whether it does mp3 stuff or >not - haven't really tried. but where there's a will there's a way, as >they say. zinf is a win32 and linux mp3 player which can save streamed mp3 directly to disk in its native format. other options include net transport, curl, and, believe it or not, lynx (anybody else besides me still browse the web with lynx?). i'm sure there are more as well. woj ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 14:19:51 -0800 (PST) From: Ellen Rawson Subject: Kate Bush ad on Channel 4 So, I'm reading email, taking a break from reading through Year 8 (7th grade in North American) gothic horror story drafts. (These kids are really into the assignment. They've written a lot -- some long, lovely developed stories. Unfortunately, I teach 60 of them, so there's a lot of reading to do. :) Lost is on in the background, and the next thing I know, in the midst of various adverts, is one for Kate (with video snippets) and Aerial. How cool is that? :) And to think that my husband was surprised by the Sigur Ros ad on earlier. ;) Ellen "Literature stops in 1100. After that, it's just books." - -- JRR Tolkien ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 14:47:36 -0800 (PST) From: "Xenu's Sister" Subject: Re: Myspace etc.. I got my programs mixed up in a post to ecto. I use AdSubtract to get rid of ads and pop ups. I have to turn it off when I go to MySpace. I use Ad-Aware SE to get rid of ad/spy/malware. I also use Spybot Search and Destroy. I have to run Ad-Aware every few hours after cruising around MySpace because my computer slows down to a crawl. I run Ad-Aware and restart and everything's fine again. I just assume it's adware on MySpace that's causing the slowdown. So gosh, I guess I have to admit now: MySpace really does suck. But I still love it, and I don't care. More than one person has discovered Happy, and nothing nothing nothing nothing will take away the joy of people discovering Happy. MySpace is but one outlet I've used out of many over the years. The first was Suspended in Gaffa, the last will be Happy playing (over speakers) at my memorial service, if there is one. Until then, my time here on earth is dedicated to pushing Happy whenever and whereever I feel like it. I mean, who else is as big a loser as me that they have time and engergy to devote to something so stupid? :) Vickie - -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ Music, all I hear is music, guaranteed to please... Happy's MySpace profile: http://www.myspace.com/happyrhodes Happy Rhodes song samples and rarities: http://wretchawry.com - -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 17:58:21 -0500 From: meredith Subject: Re: Myspace etc.. Hi, Xenu's Sister wrote: > I use Ad-Aware SE to get rid of ad/spy/malware. I also use > Spybot Search and Destroy. I have to run Ad-Aware every few > hours after cruising around MySpace because my computer slows > down to a crawl. I run Ad-Aware and restart and everything's > fine again. I just assume it's adware on MySpace that's causing > the slowdown. Hmm, I've spent time on MySpace and have never gotten any adware or spyware from the site. I haven't heard of this being a problem on MySpace. > I mean, who else is as > big a loser as me that they have time and engergy to devote to > something so stupid? :) You're not a loser. Would that all "losers" were as enthusiastic about good music as you are. - -- =============================================== Meredith Tarr New Haven, CT USA mailto:meth@smoe.org http://www.smoe.org/meth =============================================== hear at the HOMe House Concert Series http://hom.smoe.org =============================================== ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 10:36:03 +1100 From: Amanda Williams Subject: Re:Kate Bush ads Ellen said: >So, I'm reading email, taking a break from reading >through Year 8 (7th grade in North American) gothic >horror story drafts. (These kids are really into the >assignment. They've written a lot -- some long, lovely >developed stories. Unfortunately, I teach 60 of them, >so there's a lot of reading to do. :) > >Lost is on in the background, and the next thing I >know, in the midst of various adverts, is one for Kate >(with video snippets) and Aerial. > >How cool is that? :) > >And to think that my husband was surprised by the >Sigur Ros ad on earlier. ;) Yup, it's being advertised in Oz as well. I was in another room and my husband called me in to see the ad on tv..strains of KoTM and the album cover scrolling across the screen. There were also billboards up as well, which I found interesting. Gone are the days of her in leotards stopping traffic, but it was still lovely to see _anything_ at all up there amongst the usual run-of-the-mill bill posters advertising the back street boys concerts Amanda NOTICE This e-mail and any attachments are intended for the addressee(s) only and may be confidential. They may contain legally privileged or copyright material. 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This notice should not be removed. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 15:41:16 -0800 From: Greg Bossert Subject: Re: aolhell quoting doesn't show quotes in ecto On Nov 30, 2005, at 12:43 PM, wojizzle forizzle wrote: > one time at band camp, Bernie Mojzes (brni@kappamaki.com) said: > >> but where there's a will there's a way, as >> they say. > > [...] i'm sure there are more as well. > woj yah, "curl" is a great tool, works on Unices such as linux and osx -- but you usually have to read through the HTML source to figure out the right URL to grab. on mac osx, "audio hijack" from rogue amoeba and "soundflower" from cycling '74 are tools that will redirect any audio into a file. i use audio hijack frequently to grab audio from real audio streams, etc. > (anybody else besides me still browse the web with lynx?) nope, i'm pretty sure you are the only one left. :-| ;-) 'tah - -g - -- greg bossert -- bossert@iceblink.com -- Ice Blink Studios -- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 18:17:28 -0600 From: "Collected Sounds" <2345@collectedsounds.com> Subject: RE: Myspace etc.. Vickie said: >I use Ad-Aware SE to get rid of ad/spy/malware. I also use >Spybot Search and Destroy. I have to run Ad-Aware every few >hours after cruising around MySpace because I have never had this problem. But I also have SpyWare Blaster. Since I installed it I RARELY get any spyware. And I check often with those above mentioned programs, (I have both). So try Spyware Blaster, it stops the spyware before it ever gets to you. And it's free. ...and I'm a MySpace Junkie too and am on it a LOT. I've never had the spyware problem. http://www.javacoolsoftware.com/spywareblaster.html ~Amy ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 19:31:04 -0500 From: meredith Subject: Re: Kate Bush ads Hi, Amanda Williams responded: > Yup, it's being advertised in Oz as well. I was in another room and my > husband called me in to see the ad on tv..strains of KoTM and the album > cover scrolling across the screen. ... and yet here in the US, I have yet to see even a flat on the wall of a CD store, or the album in a listening station. Anyone seen any promo on this side of the pond? - -- =============================================== Meredith Tarr New Haven, CT USA mailto:meth@smoe.org http://www.smoe.org/meth =============================================== hear at the HOMe House Concert Series http://hom.smoe.org =============================================== ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 19:27:32 EST From: Profjava@aol.com Subject: Re: streaming captures In a message dated 11/30/2005 6:49:10 PM Eastern Standard Time, bossert@suddensound.com writes: > one time at band camp, Bernie Mojzes (brni@kappamaki.com) said: > >> but where there's a will there's a way, as >> they say. > > [...] i'm sure there are more as well. > woj yah, "curl" is a great tool, works on Unices such as linux and osx -- but you usually have to read through the HTML source to figure out the right URL to grab. on mac osx, "audio hijack" from rogue amoeba and "soundflower" from cycling '74 are tools that will redirect any audio into a file. i use audio hijack frequently to grab audio from real audio streams, etc. > (anybody else besides me still browse the web with lynx?) nope, i'm pretty sure you are the only one left. :-| ;-) 'tah The reason I brought it up (Bernie and woj answered) is I was wondering if it's a waste of time to bother streaming things as a way to protect it from being downloaded. You have the option of streaming and/or allowing a file to be downloaded in myspace in your band pages. A friend of mine thought that streaming something would prevent it from being "given away," but maybe that's not true? Or is the streamed version when captured that way not as high quality so that it does protect it a little if someone doesn't really want to have certain material downloaded? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 16:39:06 -0800 (PST) From: Neile Graham Subject: KRe: Kate Bush ads A local chain, Sonic Boom, had at least one of their store window displays half-lined with Aerial flats. So that's where I bought my copy. - --Neile On Wed, 30 Nov 2005, meredith wrote: > Hi, > > Amanda Williams responded: > > Yup, it's being advertised in Oz as well. I was in another room and my > > husband called me in to see the ad on tv..strains of KoTM and the album > > cover scrolling across the screen. > > ... and yet here in the US, I have yet to see even a flat on the wall of > a CD store, or the album in a listening station. > > Anyone seen any promo on this side of the pond? > > - -- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- neile@drizzle.com / neile@sff.net .... http://www.sff.net/people/neile Editor, The Ectophiles' Guide to Good Music . http://www.ectoguide.org Workshop Administrator, Clarion West ...... http://www.clarionwest.org ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 19:43:40 -0500 From: wojizzle forizzle Subject: Re: streaming captures one time at band camp, Profjava@aol.com (Profjava@aol.com) said: >The reason I brought it up (Bernie and woj answered) is I was wondering >if it's a waste of time to bother streaming things as a way to protect >it from being downloaded. You have the option of streaming and/or >allowing a file to be downloaded in myspace in your band pages. A >friend of mine thought that streaming something would prevent it from >being "given away," but maybe that's not true? streaming audio adds another layer or two of difficulty but is no fail-safe way to prevent people from getting the music onto their computer in a portable format. >Or is the streamed version when captured that way not as high quality >so that it does protect it a little if someone doesn't really want to >have certain material downloaded? depends on how you capture the stream. if you are able to get the actual bits in the streamed format, there's no additional quality loss (aside from the loss incurred when compressing to the streamed format). if you record the audio to a wav or aiff file, most software capable of doing that generates a cd-compatible sample and bit rate. thus, you will incur no additional quality loss, but you will end up with a significantly larger file. most folks will then turn around and compress that to mp3 or wma or aac which will get you a smaller file but you'll lose some audio quality -- though probably not a noticeable amount, given the already compressed nature of the source stream. bottom line: streaming and downloading are just different facets of the same thing. one puts up a small speed bump but it's not a significant obstacle to those who are determined. woj ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 19:53:25 -0500 From: Dan S <2005.carnivore99@verizon.net> Subject: Re: Myspace etc.. Vickie said - > I have to run Ad-Aware every few >hours after cruising around MySpace because my computer slows >down to a crawl. I run Ad-Aware and restart and everything's >fine again. The only thing AdAware has ever flagged from MySpace for me are advertiser tracking cookies. They're a bit of a nuisance but they don't take up constant CPU cycles as far as I know, so I can't see how they would slow down the machine. You'll get those from any commercial site you visit. That's one of the things I find annoying about Ad-Aware -- it will label a fairly innocuous tracking cookie as a "critical object", as if it's as dangerous as a keylogger or a dialer, which is rarely the case. Have you done all the other normal-maintenance types of things - disk cleanup, tweak browser cache size and maybe add some RAM? Are you loading a bunch of non-essential utilities on startup? They can really bog things down if you get too many of them going at once. By the way the MySpace site itself runs really slowly a lot of the time - I don't think their servers can handle the load - so maybe it's not your machine or the cookies at all. Try another site and see if it responds better. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 22:35:16 -0500 From: Dave Subject: Re: myspace and blue line quotes someone said: "I should mention that some browsers cause major problems there, I've heard from many Safari/Firefox users that can't sign-up at MySpace, only browse the front pages." I use Firefox both at home and at work, no problem. Also, someone mentioned AOL showing quotes with blue lines, apparently it's contagious, because now my Thunderbird mail client is doing it too. Anyone else getting this? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 23:45:05 -0500 (EST) From: Bernie Mojzes Subject: Re: myspace and blue line quotes while extremely confused, you said: > I use Firefox both at home and at work, no problem. > > Also, someone mentioned AOL showing quotes with blue lines, apparently > it's contagious, because now my Thunderbird mail client is doing it too. > Anyone else getting this? can't say anything abt thunderbird, but pine has no blue lines at all. i've also never gotten a virus reading mail in pine. (and yes, i do occassionally use lynx, too) :) - -- brni i don't want the world, i just want your half. www.livejournal.com/~brni ------------------------------ End of ecto-digest V11 #329 ***************************