From: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org (ecto-digest) To: ecto-digest@smoe.org Subject: ecto-digest V11 #309 Reply-To: ecto@smoe.org Sender: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk ecto-digest Saturday, November 12 2005 Volume 11 : Number 309 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: no love for "Bertie"?:-( ["afries@internode.on.net" ] More great PR for Sony BMG [DanStark <2005.carnivore99@verizon.net>] again [anna maria "stjärnell" ] **RACHAEL SAGE PAGE: NOV/DEC & BEYOND!** [SpiritWe@aol.com] Casey [anna maria "stjärnell" ] Re: Editing Aerial [Bernie Mojzes ] Re: no love for "Bertie"?:-( [wojizzle forizzle ] Re: no love for "Bertie"?:-( [meredith ] Re: Editing Aerial [Birdie ] Joanni [meredith ] Re: no love for "Bertie"?:-( and Re: Editing Aerial ["Xenu's Sister" ] Re: Joanni [meredith ] Re: no love for "Bertie"?:-( and Re: Editing Aerial ["afries@internode.] Re: Joanni [Troy J Shadbolt ] Re: Joanni [Troy J Shadbolt ] Re: no love for "Bertie"?:-( and Re: Editing Aerial ["Xenu's Sister" ] Mrs. B. ["Xenu's Sister" ] Re: Mrs. B. [wojizzle forizzle ] Re: Joanni [meredith ] Re: Oh shoot. (Re: whatever, I forgot) [meredith ] Re: Oh shoot. (Re: whatever, I forgot) [Greg Bossert ] Re: more e-bow [Michael Eisenberg ] Re: more e-bow [Greg Bossert ] Re: more e-bow [Sue Trowbridge ] Re: Aerial Review in the Age Newspaper, Melbourne Australia ["Anthony Hor] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2005 17:47:47 +1050 From: "afries@internode.on.net" Subject: Re: no love for "Bertie"?:-( > I've noticed you REALLY have to watch what you say on > here, in this lil Ecto list.. Oh, you know - we have our opinions, and we hold them dear - but it's all in the spirit of friendly argument :) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2005 03:00:02 -0500 (EST) From: Mike Matthews Subject: Today's your birthday, friends... i*i*i*i*i*i i*i*i*i*i*i *************** *****HAPPY********* **************BIRTHDAY********* *************************************************** *************************************************************************** ********************** Ken Latta (no Email address) *********************** ******************** Craig Gidney (clgidney@yahoo.com) ******************** *************************************************************************** -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- - -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Ken Latta Sun November 11 1951 Scorpio Craig Gidney November 11 Scorpio Michael Doyle Wed November 12 1969 Scorpio Jenny Bruce Mon November 14 1966 fire-horse scorpio Dave Cook Mon November 15 1971 Scorpio Jeff Pearce November 16 Orpheus Naama Avramzon Mon November 18 1974 Scorpio Jeff Smith Mon November 19 1962 Crash Kevin Bartlett Fri November 21 1952 Scorpio with Saturn and Pluto issues Claudia Spix Wed November 23 1960 Schuetze Anja Baldo Tue November 23 1965 Garbanzo Tommy Persson Wed November 25 1964 Sagittarius Pat Tessitore November 26 Sagittarius Valerie Kraemer November 26 Sagittarius Justin Bur Fri November 27 1964 Sagittarius Sue Trowbridge Sun November 27 1966 Skytten Ward Kadel Tue November 29 1977 Sagittarius Jesse Hernandez Liwag Wed November 29 1972 Water Rat Mirko Bulaja Sat November 30 1974 Block Juha Sorva Thu December 02 1976 Sagittarius Chip Lueck Thu December 05 1968 Sagittarius Lenore December 05 sagi Michele Wellck December 08 Sagittarius Jeremy J. Corry Fri December 11 1970 Sagittarius - -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2005 03:39:27 -0500 From: DanStark <2005.carnivore99@verizon.net> Subject: More great PR for Sony BMG It's on the home page of most major news outlets today. First the discovery of a new virus, then a pair of trojans that use Sony's CD rootkit to their advantage. Also, the inevitable class action lawsuit. Thanks, Sony, now *that's* entertainment! Dan ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2005 01:50:36 -0800 (PST) From: anna maria "stjärnell" Subject: again kris wrote.. "I've noticed you REALLY have to watch what you say on here, in this lil Ecto list..lol..the person that said something about that Kate review got slaughtered on here jeez! ***mental note..don't say anything "bad" about reviewers or their reviews*** even though I never listen to reviewers:-) Bright Blessings Kris the boy " well if you categorically say you hate all reviewrs be prepared to feel our wrath. We don't like being put down for daring to say what we think about music. Normally this is a friendly place..oh jeez did i just say feel our wrath? Sorry, bad week. anna maria; dancing about architecture __________________________________ Yahoo! FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in one click. http://farechase.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2005 05:32:26 EST From: SpiritWe@aol.com Subject: **RACHAEL SAGE PAGE: NOV/DEC & BEYOND!** Hello long lost luminaries! Unbelievably, it's been at least a season since we sent out a full-on newsletter (we've been sending lots of regional emails along the whole tour since late Spring and been thrilled to see so many of you at the shows the last few months!). So...welcome the heck back, and needless to say we have whole mess of news for y'all! xoxoxo & latkes, The Folks @ MPress *** 1. (((((RACHAEL SIGNS TO SEC TALENT AGENCY - 2006 TOUR BOOKINGS UNDERWAY))))) Firstly, over the summer Rachael signed to a booking agency! We're really excited and love the rest of the artists on this roster - which includes Edie Carey, Anne Heaton and Sam Shaber. Bookings are well underway for Rachael's 2006 national tour...If you are a professional venue or houseconcert presenter and would like to book Rachael for 2006, please contact Elizabeth Cromer at WWW.SECTALENT.NET. For all general inquiries or to suggest a local venue, please continue to reply to this list at info@mpressrecords.com - we love receiving your ideas/suggestions and keep them all in mind! *** 2. ((((((RACHAEL'S SEVENTH ALBUM NEARLY COMPLETE!)))))) As most of you know, in between ongoing dates on her "Ballads & Burlesque" tour, Rachael has been hard at work completing her forthcoming album, whose working title has been "Chandelier" (at the time of this emailing, this title is under reconsideration by our ever-shifting artiste). While it's nearly finished, she has decided to add yet one more song (apty titled, "Surprise") so in the next couple weeks she'll be finishing that final track, mixing, putting the artwork together and setting a definitive release date - probably for early or mid-March, 2006. We'll definitely keep you posted! Some advanced info about the album: The new CD contains 14 tracks, many of which Rachael has been performing live over the last year including "Alright OK", "Paperplane", "Burning Witch", "Hit Song", "C'mon Over", "Lonely Streets", "Calypso" & "Violet or Blue". She's also re-recorded an older song about martyred Warsaw teenager Chaya Feldman called "93 Maidens", which originally appeared on her 1995 demo "Assorted Tchatchkes". The album was produced by Rachael, mixed by Kevin Killen and John Shyloski, and features longtime touring partners Dean Sharp & Russ Johnson - as well as special guests Doug Yowell/drums, Todd Sickafoose/bass, Julie Wolf/organ, Edie Carey/vocals & many others. That's probably all we should tell you - or we'll have to kiss you... *** 3. (((((("NEW ARRIVALS: VOLUME ONE" EMERGING ARTIST COMPILATION TO BE RELEASED FOR CHARITY))))) This summer, MPress Records compiled a CD of some of the most exciting emerging and independent talent out there; we received over 850 submissions through our online sponsor, Sonicbids.com, and many more came directly to us by mail . In light of recent events, we will be releasing this CD - which was originally a purely promotional endeavor aimed at college radio/music industry contacts - to the general public in an effort to raise funds for Gulf Coast Relief. We are anticipating having this disc up at CDBaby.com by the holidays and are looking ahead to a wider retail release; a full listing of artists appearing on Volume One is up now at WWW.NEWARRIVALSCD.COM. Thanks to all participating artists for agreeing to donate 100% of their sales to this cause! *** 4. (((((RACHAEL SAGE TO SPEAK & PERFORM AT ROCKRGRL CONFERENCE 11/11!)))))) Rachael will be appearing at Rockrgrl Conference in Seattle this month; she'll be performing a showcase with her band Nov. 11th (visit the website for more info) and will also be a guest speaker Nov. 10th on the "Ladies of the Labels" panel. This is one of our very favorite music conferences and we're really honored to be participating! For complete info visit: WWW.ROCKRGRL.COM 5. (((((UPCOMING WINTER TOURDATES: Seattle, New York, France & More!))))) While Rachael & the MPress Team will mostly be focused on pre-release work for the upcoming CD over Dec/Jan, there will still be a few opportunities to catch the live show before "Chandelier" hits stores. A listing of all upcoming tourdates is below; check WWW.RACHAELSAGE.COM for full details & frequent updates! Nov. 11 / Rockrgrl Conference / Seattle, WA Nov. 12 / Sanctuary Concerts w/ Marshall Crenshaw / Chatham, NJ Nov. 18 / Rockwood Music Hall / NYC Jan. 20-26 / MIDEM / Cannes, France Feb. 3 / Caffe Lena / Saratoga Springs, NY Feb. 8 / Passim **CD RELEASE** / Boston, MA Feb. 9 / Joes Pub **CD RELEASE** / NYC Feb. 10-14 / Folk Alliance / Austin, TX March 15-19 / SXSW / Austin, TX April 21 / Southern Womyns Music Fest / St. George, GA April 29 / Cybercafe West / Binghamton, NY May 18-20 / AAA NON-COMMvention / Louisville, KY * WINNER, 2005 INDEPENDENT MUSIC AWARD (FOLK) * WINNER, 2005 OUTMUSIC AWARD (BEST SONGWRITER) * GRAND PRIZE, JOHN LENNON SONGWRITING CONTEST (ROCK) * FEATURED ARIST AT FIRST ANNUAL INDEPENDENT SHOWCASE, MIDEM 2005 ========================================================== MPress Records | www.rachaelsage.com | www.sonicbids.com/rachaelsage Label Manager & Distribution: JoJo Gentry | mpressjojo@aol.com Bookings: sectalentgroup@yahoo.com | www.sectalentgroup.net Song Placement & Special Projects: Chloe Jo Berman | mpresschloe@aol.com JOIN OUR STREET TEAM! FOR MORE INFO CONTACT: info@mpressrecords.com ========================================================== "rich vocals, sparkling piano & yearning poetry" - TIME OUT NY "melodies that will break your heart...unforced passion" - ROLLINGSTONE.COM "lovely & literate folk-pop-rock, socially aware & eclectic" - VILLAGE VOICE ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2005 02:40:32 -0800 (PST) From: anna maria "stjärnell" Subject: Casey Hi again.. Casey Stratton reappaers after parting company with major record label..Hmm. his album divide is on cdbaby. he claims he left the label voluntarily..Oh yeah right. Sorry for the cynicism. I'm sure it's a great album. Anna Maria __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2005 12:05:36 -0500 (EST) From: Bernie Mojzes Subject: Re: Editing Aerial > good as The Dreaming, and ok, I'd make "Bertie" a B-side) i'd have made it an instrumental - the music is fantastic, and could have said far more eloquently by itself what she is expressing than the (imho) insipid lyrics do. as it is, i have a hard time listening to it. (i have the same reaction to the Police's "da doo doo dah" and "shamoli" songs, for much the same reasons) - -- brni i don't want the world, i just want your half. www.livejournal.com/~brni ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2005 12:10:48 -0500 From: wojizzle forizzle Subject: Re: no love for "Bertie"?:-( one time at band camp, Toriamosrising@aol.com (Toriamosrising@aol.com) said: >BUT it seems hardly anyone likes "Bertie"?? so far.. i don't dislike it but it doesn't really appeal to me much. i like the music on that song -- kinda vaguely early music-ish (sorry, i can't place the period) -- but the lyrics don't really reach me in any way. i appreciate the fact that KaTe loves motherhood and her son but, though i can live without it, i won't begrudge her expression there of. >(I've noticed you REALLY have to watch what you say on here, in this >lil Ecto list..lol.. not really. ecto's one of the friendlier places around. people may take you to task if you post something they don't agree with but that's just normal discourse. >the person that said something about that Kate review got slaughtered >on here jeez! slaughtered? nah, no one ripped doug a new one. he was just rather strongly disagreed with. >***mental note..don't say anything "bad" about reviewers or their >reviews*** even though I never listen to reviewers:-) you're funny! *pat pat* ;) woj ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2005 12:37:37 -0500 From: meredith Subject: Re: no love for "Bertie"?:-( Hi, woj responded: > i don't dislike it but it doesn't really appeal to me much. i like the > music on that song -- kinda vaguely early music-ish (sorry, i can't > place the period) Renaissance. > slaughtered? nah, no one ripped doug a new one. he was just rather > strongly disagreed with. I think Kris was referring to Vickie's response to Andrew, but your response is still valid. :) - -- =============================================== Meredith Tarr New Haven, CT USA mailto:meth@smoe.org http://www.smoe.org/meth =============================================== hear at the HOMe House Concert Series http://hom.smoe.org =============================================== ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2005 09:32:35 -0800 From: Birdie Subject: Re: Editing Aerial Bernie scribed..... "as it is, i have a hard time listening to it. (i have the same reaction to the Police's "da doo doo dah" and "shamoli" songs, for much the same reasons)" Just curious.... Are you single? Never been a father? Bad childhood? Having a child may put you in touch, with the da doo doo dah side of things. Works surprisingly well, when they are screaming their heads off. Birdie ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2005 13:17:51 -0500 From: meredith Subject: Joanni Hi, Everyone who is calling "Joanni" a Tori song is officially on large amounts of crack. It's a Happy song, circa _Equipoise_. Listen to that synth, and it even has a patented Kevin Bartlett e-bow guitar solo near the end. Just sayin'. ;) - -- =============================================== Meredith Tarr New Haven, CT USA mailto:meth@smoe.org http://www.smoe.org/meth =============================================== hear at the HOMe House Concert Series http://hom.smoe.org =============================================== ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2005 10:37:09 -0800 (PST) From: "Xenu's Sister" Subject: Re: no love for "Bertie"?:-( and Re: Editing Aerial - --- Toriamosrising@aol.com wrote: > BUT it seems hardly anyone likes "Bertie"?? so far.. It's a lovely song, and catchy too (I find myself humming it), I love the instrumentation, the vocals, the lyrics and the sentiment. Still, I'm embarrassed for Bertie. We're talking about an English schoolboy who'd better be damned self-confident and/or have plenty of money to hire big, burly schoolyard bodyguards to save him from the poundings he's going to get. The self- confidence will help him withstand the relentless verbal taunting the boy is in for for the rest of his school life. Someone tell me there are no bullies in the English school system. Someone tell me the boy will never get a moment's grief for his mother's pride. Someone tell me that she'll be able to coddle and protect Bertie from the bullies who will want to make his life miserable. What was she thinking?? We can enjoy the song from a comfortable distance. Bertie has to live with it on a day to day basis. I just hope he's so incredibly, amazingly popular that no one will want to bother him, and/or that he has friends who will fight for him and keep the bullies away. Yes, it's a wonderful song, but as a mother to a son it worries me what the boy's going to go through because of it. Maybe nothing. We can only hope that the English bully system is a thing of the past. > (I've noticed you REALLY have to watch what you say > on here, in this lil Ecto list..lol.. Oh pish posh. This list has been going strong since 1991. How many Internet music lists can say that? Only a few. Compared to some of the strange and silly things that have torn other lists apart, we have minor tiffs once in a blue moon over interesting things. Look, I kneejerked and I admit it. I'm the one who should have kept quiet. I think Mrs. Bartolozzi is one of the saddest songs I've ever heard. In the song a grieving wife who's having to wash her just-died husband's clothes is having a reverie while watching the washing machine. One of the hardest things when someone you live with dies is the aftermath of gathering up their belongings, especially their clothes. Few people die immeditely after doing laundry. There are going to be dirty clothes to gather up and wash, before giving them away or whatever it is you're going to do with them. This is something I had to do when my mother died, and I have never heard this topic even touched on in a song, It's also a very erotic song. Is the thought of having sex with a spouse who's dead icky (or just nudge nudge wink wink) because they're gone now? Is a spouse supposed to forget about those times and thoughts? That's something else that's rarely talked about. So anyway, I see Mrs. B as being about a lot more than just washing machines and sex. Instead of writing out why, I kneejerked and snapped at Andrew. I'm sorry to all. Vickie - -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ Music, all I hear is music, guaranteed to please... - -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ - -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2005 13:56:21 -0500 From: meredith Subject: Re: no love for "Bertie"?:-( and Re: Editing Aerial Hi, (Enjoying _A Sky Of Honey_ is hard to do when someone is running the loudest leaf blower on the planet right outside your window. Argh.) Vickie posted: > It's a lovely song, and catchy too (I find myself > humming it), I love the instrumentation, the vocals, > the lyrics and the sentiment. Still, I'm embarrassed > for Bertie. We're talking about an English schoolboy > who'd better be damned self-confident and/or have plenty > of money to hire big, burly schoolyard bodyguards to > save him from the poundings he's going to get. The self- > confidence will help him withstand the relentless verbal > taunting the boy is in for for the rest of his school life. This is assuming his schoolmates are ever going to hear the song, which is a pretty big assumption. I don't imagine very many school-aged British schoolboys are listening to KaTe over Black-Eyed Peas or whatever the kids are into nowadays (god, I've gotten old). Even if the kids' parents are listening, I doubt they'll be sadistic enough to sit their son down in front of the stereo and say "oh look, your classmate Bertie's mum wrote a lovely song about him, let's have a listen -- here, you can follow along with the lyrics booklet". Personally, I think Bertie has more to fear from his name. Poor kid. > I think Mrs. Bartolozzi is > one of the saddest songs I've ever heard. In the song > a grieving wife who's having to wash her just-died > husband's clothes is having a reverie while watching > the washing machine. Whoa ... where'd you get that? - -- =============================================== Meredith Tarr New Haven, CT USA mailto:meth@smoe.org http://www.smoe.org/meth =============================================== hear at the HOMe House Concert Series http://hom.smoe.org =============================================== ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2005 10:57:51 -0800 (PST) From: "Xenu's Sister" Subject: Re: Joanni - --- meredith wrote: > Hi, > > Everyone who is calling "Joanni" a Tori song is > officially on large amounts of crack. > > It's a Happy song, circa _Equipoise_. Listen to > that synth, and it even has a patented Kevin Bartlett > e-bow guitar solo near the end. Just sayin'. ;) *Gives meth a worried look* You okay hun? Can I get you anything? Have you taken some aspirin? You should go rest until you feel better. *hears no Happy, hears no e-bow (though I have no idea what an e-bow sounds like), hears no Tori either* I'm very curious if it was inspired in whole or part from the movie The Messenger: The Story of Joan of Arc. We know Kate watches a lot of movies and is often inspired by them. If anyone hears Kate mention her influences for Joanni please let me know. If it was the movie, that would be so cool for Milla, who's such a huge Kate fan. Vickie - -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ Music, all I hear is music, guaranteed to please... - -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ - -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2005 14:22:11 -0500 From: meredith Subject: Re: Joanni Hi, Vickie responded: > *Gives meth a worried look* You okay hun? Can I get you > anything? Have you taken some aspirin? You should go rest > until you feel better. :) I'm not talking vocally (or even lyrically) -- I'm talking musically. > *hears no Happy, hears no e-bow (though I have no idea > what an e-bow sounds like), hears no Tori either* E-bow is a small device that uses electromagnetism to excite the strings of an instrument, most often guitar (but I've also seen it done with bass, and Bela Fleck has even used it on his cool purple electric banjo). It makes a really cool theremin-like sound. A notable e-bow example in Happy's work is the guitar at the end of "Warpaint". Kevin used it a lot, especially in the live shows -- he would use it with his beautiful Parker Fly, and the results were musical gold. (I loves me some e-bow.) I don't know for sure if that's an e-bow on "Joanni", but listen to the guitar at the end of the song and you'll hear the sound I'm talking about. It sure sounds like it. (All you'd ever want to know about e-bow and more is here: http://www.ebow.com/) - -- =============================================== Meredith Tarr New Haven, CT USA mailto:meth@smoe.org http://www.smoe.org/meth =============================================== hear at the HOMe House Concert Series http://hom.smoe.org =============================================== ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2005 06:28:12 +1050 From: "afries@internode.on.net" Subject: Re: no love for "Bertie"?:-( and Re: Editing Aerial > > I think Mrs. Bartolozzi is > > one of the saddest songs I've ever heard. In the song > > a grieving wife who's having to wash her just-died > > husband's clothes is having a reverie while watching > > the washing machine. > > Whoa ... where'd you get that? Probably from the lines "I remember it was that Wednesday Oh when it rained and it rained They traipsed mud all over the house... " ... which could be interpreted as, they came to take the body away... and later: ... "I think I see you standing outside But it's just your shirt Hanging on the washing line Waving its arm as the wind blows by And it looks so alive..." When I first listened, they thought of death of a loved one didn't actually cross my mind. What did cross my mind was there might've been a touch of homicide going on there :) But I think based on the lyrics alone, both interpretations are a bit far fetched. Unless Vickie has more information to support her interpretation? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2005 12:23:59 -0800 From: Troy J Shadbolt Subject: Re: Joanni laughing hysterically that Meth gave a nearly identical description and chose the exact same song as an example... - -t Quoting meredith : > E-bow is a small device that uses electromagnetism to excite the strings > of an instrument, most often guitar (but I've also seen it done with > bass, and Bela Fleck has even used it on his cool purple electric > banjo). It makes a really cool theremin-like sound. > > A notable e-bow example in Happy's work is the guitar at the end of > "Warpaint". - -- troy j shadbolt www.voyuz.net ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2005 12:22:27 -0800 From: Troy J Shadbolt Subject: Re: Joanni an e-bow is a small battery powered guitar pick which generates a magnetic field and "plays" an electric guitar w/o actually touching the string. the effect is very theremin-like, with lots of wooshing and vibrato. the opening guitar swells in Happy's "Warpaint" are played with an e-bow. - -troy (who doesn't hear Happy in that song either, and would intentionally block anything remotely sounding like Tori before it reached his ears...) vickie doth confess : > *hears no Happy, hears no e-bow (though I have no idea > what an e-bow sounds like) troy j shadbolt www.voyuz.net ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2005 12:32:02 -0800 (PST) From: "Xenu's Sister" Subject: Re: no love for "Bertie"?:-( and Re: Editing Aerial - --- meredith wrote: > Hi, > > (Enjoying _A Sky Of Honey_ is hard to do when someone is > running the > loudest leaf blower on the planet right outside your window. > Argh.) > > Vickie posted: > > It's a lovely song, and catchy too (I find myself > > humming it), I love the instrumentation, the vocals, > > the lyrics and the sentiment. Still, I'm embarrassed > > for Bertie. We're talking about an English schoolboy > > who'd better be damned self-confident and/or have plenty > > of money to hire big, burly schoolyard bodyguards to > > save him from the poundings he's going to get. The self- > > confidence will help him withstand the relentless verbal > > taunting the boy is in for for the rest of his school life. > > This is assuming his schoolmates are ever going to hear the > song, which > is a pretty big assumption. I don't imagine very many > school-aged > British schoolboys are listening to KaTe over Black-Eyed Peas > or > whatever the kids are into nowadays (god, I've gotten old). > > Even if the kids' parents are listening, I doubt they'll be > sadistic > enough to sit their son down in front of the stereo and say > "oh look, > your classmate Bertie's mum wrote a lovely song about him, > let's have a > listen -- here, you can follow along with the lyrics booklet". > > Personally, I think Bertie has more to fear from his name. > Poor kid. > > > I think Mrs. Bartolozzi is > > one of the saddest songs I've ever heard. In the song > > a grieving wife who's having to wash her just-died > > husband's clothes is having a reverie while watching > > the washing machine. > > Whoa ... where'd you get that? > > > > -- > =============================================== > Meredith Tarr > New Haven, CT USA > mailto:meth@smoe.org > http://www.smoe.org/meth > =============================================== > hear at the HOMe House Concert Series > http://hom.smoe.org > =============================================== > - -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ Music, all I hear is music, guaranteed to please... - -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ - -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2005 12:43:42 -0800 (PST) From: "Xenu's Sister" Subject: Oh shoot. (Re: whatever, I forgot) Sorry about that totally content-free post. - --- meredith wrote: > Vickie posted: > This is assuming his schoolmates are ever going to > hear the song, which is a pretty big assumption. Sure it is, but the mom in me worries about it anyway. I can't help it. > Personally, I think Bertie has more to fear from his name. > Poor kid. Yeah, and putting a "Lovely" in front of it makes it even worse. About the e-bow, I've seen it listed on Happy's albums and I've seen both Happy and Kevin mention it, but all these years I've had no idea what the thing was. > > I think Mrs. Bartolozzi is > > one of the saddest songs I've ever heard. In the song > > a grieving wife who's having to wash her just-died > > husband's clothes is having a reverie while watching > > the washing machine. > > Whoa ... where'd you get that? From the lyrics, as posted by Andrew. (And Andrew, I don't have to "support" my interpretation. It's *my* interpretation based on very reasonable criteria and my own experiences, and my interpretation is the reason why *I* find it so sad and why *I* bristled at it being so quickly dismissed. You've dismissed so many great songs out of hand that I'm hardly going to care much that you think my interpretation is "far-fetched." It works for me. I just need to quit taking things people say personally.) Vickie - -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ Music, all I hear is music, guaranteed to please... - -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ - -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2005 12:39:33 -0800 (PST) From: "Xenu's Sister" Subject: Re: Joanni - --- Troy J Shadbolt wrote: > an e-bow is a small battery powered guitar pick > which generates a magnetic field and "plays" an > electric guitar w/o actually touching the string. > the effect is very theremin-like, with lots of > wooshing and vibrato. the opening guitar swells in > Happy's "Warpaint" are played with an e-bow. > Quoting meredith : > > > E-bow is a small device that uses electromagnetism > > to excite the strings of an instrument, most often > > guitar (but I've also seen it done with bass, and > > Bela Fleck has even used it on his cool purple > > electric banjo). It makes a really cool > > theremin-like sound. > > > > A notable e-bow example in Happy's work is the > > guitar at the end of "Warpaint". Thanks guys! Chris is listening to Aerial over the computer room system, so I'll check that out later. Vickie (ok, I'm listening to Aerial too. He twisted my arm.) - -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ Music, all I hear is music, guaranteed to please... - -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ - -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2005 12:55:03 -0800 (PST) From: "Xenu's Sister" Subject: Mrs. B. Ok, I will say one other thing in support of my interpretation. Chris pointed out to me that Kate said about Mrs. B: "I think it's one of the heaviest songs I've ever written" (in the Mark Radcliff interview). I heard that interview before I read the lyrics so I already had a sense of sadness attached to the song when I read the lyrics. Radcliff URL: http://gaffa.org/reaching/iv05_bbc2_Mark_Radcliff_interview.html Vickie - -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ Music, all I hear is music, guaranteed to please... - -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ - -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2005 16:11:45 -0500 From: wojizzle forizzle Subject: Re: Mrs. B. one time at band camp, Xenu's Sister (xenussister@yahoo.com) said: >Ok, I will say one other thing in support of my >interpretation. Chris pointed out to me that Kate >said about Mrs. B: "I think it's one of the heaviest >songs I've ever written" (in the Mark Radcliff >interview). I heard that interview before I read >the lyrics so I already had a sense of sadness >attached to the song when I read the lyrics. i'm in the same boat as you, vickie. i heard snippets here and there about the "song about the washing machine" in comments and reviews of the record. then i listened to the radcliffe interview and this quote is what i had in mind when i first listened to the song: Kate: Well, I don't know, is it? Is it a song about a washing machine? I think it's a song about Mrs. Bartolozzi. i think with this one, you have to read between the emotional lines of the lyrics more than the lyrics themselves. woj ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2005 16:15:27 -0500 From: meredith Subject: Re: Joanni Troy J Shadbolt wrote: > laughing hysterically that Meth gave a nearly identical description and chose > the exact same song as an example... I would say "great minds...", but your Tori slam in that same post pretty much negates that. ;> - -- =============================================== Meredith Tarr New Haven, CT USA mailto:meth@smoe.org http://www.smoe.org/meth =============================================== hear at the HOMe House Concert Series http://hom.smoe.org =============================================== ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2005 16:18:39 -0500 From: meredith Subject: Re: Oh shoot. (Re: whatever, I forgot) Hi, Vickie responded: > About the e-bow, I've seen it listed on Happy's albums > and I've seen both Happy and Kevin mention it, but all > these years I've had no idea what the thing was. I'm sure in some of your concert video you can see Kevin playing it. He'll have this thing in his hand and he's got it over the strings of his guitar and it'll be making this lovely seamless sound. >>From the lyrics, as posted by Andrew. Ah, ok (I haven't listened to any of the BBC radio interview, so my first thought was that Kate had talked about the song that way). Reading over the lyrics again with this in mind, I see how that could be a possibility ... and it makes the song easier for me to deal with if I look at it that way, so I think I'll go with it for now. Thanks. :) (I still wish "Bertie" were an instrumental, though! Such lovely Renaissance fare. I love that stuff.) - -- =============================================== Meredith Tarr New Haven, CT USA mailto:meth@smoe.org http://www.smoe.org/meth =============================================== hear at the HOMe House Concert Series http://hom.smoe.org =============================================== ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2005 15:11:53 -0800 From: Greg Bossert Subject: Re: Oh shoot. (Re: whatever, I forgot) On Nov 11, 2005, at 1:18 PM, meredith wrote: > Hi, > Vickie responded: >> About the e-bow, I've seen it listed on Happy's albums and I've >> seen both Happy and Kevin mention it, but all >> these years I've had no idea what the thing was. > I'm sure in some of your concert video you can see Kevin playing > it. He'll have this thing in his hand and he's got it over the > strings of his guitar and it'll be making this lovely seamless sound. Kevin is a fine e-bow player, at that. we had several conversations about the dingum back in the day... here are photos and an mp3 of me playing a homemade thumb piano with an e-bow (scroll down for the pix and audio) http://www.suddensound.com/workshop/daxo.html - -- greg bossert -- bossert@iceblink.com -- Ice Blink Studios -- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2005 10:51:50 +1050 From: "afries@internode.on.net" Subject: more e-bow > Kevin is a fine e-bow player, at that. we had several > conversations about the dingum back in the day... Ah, this might be an opportunity to find an answer to one question that has been with me for years: what is that instrument used on Yes' album "Relayer"... you know, the one that basically carries the melody of "soon"? Would that perhaps be a guitar played with an e-bow? Or a synth? Or some other trick altogether? Inquiring minds want to know, some twenty two years after the event :) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2005 18:56:10 -0600 From: Michael Eisenberg Subject: Re: more e-bow afries@internode.on.net wrote: >>Kevin is a fine e-bow player, at that. we had several >>conversations about the dingum back in the day... >> >> > >Ah, this might be an opportunity to find an answer to one >question that has been with me for years: what is that >instrument used on Yes' album "Relayer"... you know, the one >that basically carries the melody of "soon"? Would that >perhaps be a guitar played with an e-bow? Or a synth? Or >some other trick altogether? > >Inquiring minds want to know, some twenty two years after >the event :) > > > The answer will probably surprise you but, it's a simple pedal steel guitar with lots of reverb. m ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2005 17:11:46 -0800 From: Greg Bossert Subject: Re: more e-bow On Nov 11, 2005, at 4:01 PM, afries@internode.on.net wrote: > Ah, this might be an opportunity to find an answer to one > question that has been with me for years: what is that > instrument used on Yes' album "Relayer"... you know, the one > that basically carries the melody of "soon"? Would that > perhaps be a guitar played with an e-bow? Or a synth? Or > some other trick altogether? if i recall correctly, that's a steel (slide) guitar with a *lot* of compression (hence sustain, hence the soaring, singing quality...) though the instrument is best known for hawaiian and country music, both Yes and Pink Floyd used in in very non-traditional settings. though it's a prog-rock-friendly instrument if ever there was one, i'm not sure that Yes ever used e-bow. some familiar songs where it is prominent are Blondies "Dreaming" , Big Country's "In a Big Country", erm, lots of Psychedelic Furs, lots of Smashing Pumpkins, hmm, trying to think of an ectoid example -- i seem to recall some Belly (Sweet Ride? gah, i need all of my musoc here at work...) and PJ Harvey. - -- greg bossert -- bossert@iceblink.com -- Ice Blink Studios -- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2005 16:29:44 -0800 From: Sue Trowbridge Subject: Re: more e-bow On 11/11/05, afries@internode.on.net wrote: > Ah, this might be an opportunity to find an answer to one > question that has been with me for years: what is that > instrument used on Yes' album "Relayer"... you know, the one > that basically carries the melody of "soon"? Would that > perhaps be a guitar played with an e-bow? Or a synth? Or > some other trick altogether? My husband, who is a fanatical Yes fan, says it's a pedal steel guitar with a volume pedal. - --Sue ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2005 17:39:59 +1100 From: "Anthony Horan" Subject: Re: Aerial Review in the Age Newspaper, Melbourne Australia > p (Pi) is a highlight, both for its eccentricity and unlikely lyricism. To > the whimsical throb of bass and synthesisers, Bush sings the titular > mathematical conundrum digit by digit, to 120 decimal places. There seems to be some dissent about exactly how many decimal places of pi the song gets to; in my review I counted 137, for what it's worth :) ------------------------------ End of ecto-digest V11 #309 ***************************