From: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org (ecto-digest) To: ecto-digest@smoe.org Subject: ecto-digest V11 #301 Reply-To: ecto@smoe.org Sender: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk ecto-digest Friday, November 4 2005 Volume 11 : Number 301 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Kate Bush (legitimate stream) / Sony Copy Protection/ Charlotte Martin [<] reviews and stuff [anna maria "stjärnell" ] Re: reviews and stuff ["Collected Sounds" <2345@collectedsounds.com>] Re: listening to Aerial [Doug ] Re: listening to Aerial [Kim Justice ] Re: listening to Aerial [Summoner Marc ] RE: listening to Aerial ["Michael Quinn" ] Re: listening to Aerial [alan ] another "aerial" review. [Ms Heidi Maier ] Re: listening to Aerial [Joseph Zitt ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2005 23:32:20 +0000 From: Subject: Kate Bush (legitimate stream) / Sony Copy Protection/ Charlotte Martin Hi Guys, In an attempt to kill several birds with one stone... Sony have today released a patch for their copy protection system which takes away the rootkit aspects of it. Not that this makes it better, but I guess some people here might have installed the software in the first place. Link is - http://cp.sonybmg.com/xcp/english/updates.html Kate - for those who for whatever reason can't download the torrent, or want to stick to legitimate sources, there's a legitimate stream of both discs at the NME's web site - there's a Media Player link to the right of the screen on http://www.nme.com/artists/kate-bush Oh, and some of you enjoy Charlotte Martin's music - her new EP, Veins is now available to purchase from the nice people at CD Baby - www.cdbaby.com/charlotte2 :) Mike - ----------------------------------------- Email sent from www.ntlworld.com Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software Visit www.ntlworld.com/security for more information ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 00:13:20 -0800 (PST) From: anna maria "stjärnell" Subject: reviews and stuff Hi.. all things considered that review of aerial wasn't so bad. In the eighties reviewers tended to quote julia kristeva and other post-modernists and be terribly pretentious without saying anuthing. And I think it's better to assume your reader is smart and can look things up if they don't get it, rather than to patronise them and assume they know nothing. As a reviewer I'm a bit touchy about this. Just you try and describe something so intangible and we'll see how you do. Anna Maria __________________________________ Yahoo! FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in one click. http://farechase.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 08:29:28 -0600 From: "Collected Sounds" <2345@collectedsounds.com> Subject: Re: reviews and stuff From: "anna maria stjdrnell" > And I think it's > better to assume your reader is smart and can look > things up if they don't get it, rather than to > patronise them and assume they know nothing. Expertly said, Anna Maria! That's exactly how I feel. I don't know about everyone else (and I've made *that* pretty obvoius this week) but I like to be challenged when I read...anything. Music review, or 700 page fiction book. I like stuff that makes me think. I know there are others like that out there who agree. I guess that's who I'm writing for. [That's for whom I'm writing (?) - Never said I had fantastic grammer. ;) ] ~A ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 09:01:21 -0600 From: Doug Subject: Re: listening to Aerial If a friend buys it and we listen to it, are we obligated to buy it? Where is the line? - --Doug On 11/2/05, Summoner Marc wrote: > And you should buy Aerial since you did download it, but hey, whatever ^^ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 09:26:23 -0600 From: Kim Justice Subject: Re: listening to Aerial On 11/3/05, Doug wrote: > If a friend buys it and we listen to it, are we obligated to buy it? > Where is the line? If the RIAA got its way, you'd pay every time a song got stuck in your head, heh. Darn, another bill for "Feelings". kj - -- Kim Justice justicekw@gmail.com "There can always be new beginnings -- even for people like us" - --Susan Ivanova ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 16:18:41 +0000 From: Summoner Marc Subject: Re: listening to Aerial Uuuumm......yes! Hehe, no, of coruse not, but I just think if you download music then you should buy it also, I guess if you gravely dislike it, then no you shouldnt have to buy it even if you downloaded it, I like to think that downloading something is like previewing the music and if it's to your liking then buy it too. But each to their own and all that :) On 11/3/05, Doug wrote: > > If a friend buys it and we listen to it, are we obligated to buy it? > Where is the line? > > --Doug > > On 11/2/05, Summoner Marc wrote: > > And you should buy Aerial since you did download it, but hey, whatever > ^^ > - -- From High Summoner Marc xx ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 12:03:39 -0500 From: "Michael Quinn" Subject: RE: listening to Aerial This is a real ethical dilemma for me with RIAA and other big label artists. It's not just the money, I despise doing anything to support these record labels. They treat their customers like crap, only pay the actual artists about 10% of what they take in and I could go on...This copy-protection spyware this is only the latest example. I realize it's important to support the artists but I don't want to support the RIAA at all. I used to go to concerts whenever a band I like came but unfortunately no bands come near where I live now. As I've said before, I wish there was a way to just "donate" to the artist when you download an album, bypassing the record label... - -----Original Message----- From: owner-ecto@smoe.org [mailto:owner-ecto@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Summoner Marc Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2005 11:19 AM To: Doug; ecto@smoe.org Subject: Re: listening to Aerial Uuuumm......yes! Hehe, no, of coruse not, but I just think if you download music then you should buy it also, I guess if you gravely dislike it, then no you shouldnt have to buy it even if you downloaded it, I like to think that downloading something is like previewing the music and if it's to your liking then buy it too. But each to their own and all that :) On 11/3/05, Doug wrote: > > If a friend buys it and we listen to it, are we obligated to buy it? > Where is the line? > > --Doug > > On 11/2/05, Summoner Marc wrote: > > And you should buy Aerial since you did download it, but hey, whatever > ^^ > - -- From High Summoner Marc xx ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 08:55:34 -0800 (PST) From: alan Subject: Re: listening to Aerial On Thu, 3 Nov 2005, Kim Justice wrote: > On 11/3/05, Doug wrote: > > If a friend buys it and we listen to it, are we obligated to buy it? > > Where is the line? > > If the RIAA got its way, you'd pay every time a song got stuck in your > head, heh. Since they have not figured a way to charge for this, they have another plan instead. They just make movies and music so forgettable that it cannot get stuck in your head. - -- "Invoking the supernatural can explain anything, and hence explains nothing." - University of Utah bioengineering professor Gregory Clark ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 Nov 2005 14:01:55 +1000 From: Ms Heidi Maier Subject: another "aerial" review. here's another review. may the debate begin! ;) warmly, heidi. . . . http://www.guardian.co.uk/filmandmusic/story/0,16373,1607732,00.html Kate Bush, Aerial ***** (EMI) Alexis Petridis These days, record companies try to make every new album seem like a matter of unparalleled cultural import. The most inconsequential artists require confidentiality agreements to be faxed to journalists, the lowliest release must be delivered by hand. So it's hard not to be impressed by an album that carries a genuine sense of occasion. That's not to say EMI - which earlier this year transformed the ostensibly simple process of handing critics the Coldplay album into something resembling a particularly Byzantine episode of Spooks - haven't really pushed the boat out for Kate Bush's return after a 12-year absence. They employed a security man specifically for the purpose of staring at you while you listened to her new album. But even without his disconcerting presence, Aerial would seem like an event. Article continues - ----------------------------------------------------------------------- - --------- - ----------------------------------------------------------------------- - --------- In the gap since 1993's so-so The Red Shoes, the Kate Bush myth that began fomenting when she first appeared on Top of the Pops, waving her arms and shrilly announcing that Cath-ee had come home-uh, grew to quite staggering proportions. She was variously reported to have gone bonkers, become a recluse and offered her record company some home- made biscuits instead of a new album. In reality, she seems to have been doing nothing more peculiar than bringing up a son, moving house and watching while people made up nutty stories about her. Aerial contains a song called How to Be Invisible. It features a spell for a chorus, precisely what you would expect from the batty Kate Bush of popular myth. The spell, however, gently mocks her more obsessive fans while espousing a life of domestic contentment: "Hem of anorak, stem of wallflower, hair of doormat." Domestic contentment runs through Aerial's 90-minute duration. Recent Bush albums have been filled with songs in which the extraordinary happened: people snogged Hitler, or were arrested for building machines that controlled the weather. Aerial, however, is packed with songs that make commonplace events sound extraordinary. It calls upon Renaissance musicians to serenade her son. Viols are bowed, arcane stringed instruments plucked, Bush sings beatifically of smiles and kisses and "luvv-er-ly Bertie". You can't help feeling that this song is going to cause a lot of door slamming and shouts of "oh-God-mum- you're-so-embarrassing" when Bertie reaches the less luvv-er-ly age of 15, but it's still delightful. The second CD is devoted to a concept piece called A Sky of Honey in which virtually nothing happens, albeit very beautifully, with delicious string arrangements, hymnal piano chords, joyous choruses and bursts of flamenco guitar: the sun comes up, birds sing, Bush watches a pavement artist at work, it rains, Bush has a moonlight swim and watches the sun come up again. The pavement artist is played by Rolf Harris. This casting demonstrates Bush's admirable disregard for accepted notions of cool, but it's tough on anyone who grew up watching him daubing away on Rolf's Cartoon Club. "A little bit lighter there, maybe with some accents," he mutters. You keep expecting him to ask if you can guess what it is yet. Domestic contentment even gets into the staple Bush topic of sex. Ever since her debut, The Kick Inside, with its lyrics about incest and "sticky love", Bush has given good filth: striking, often disturbing songs that, excitingly, suggest a wildly inventive approach to having it off. Here, on the lovely and moving piano ballad Mrs Bartolozzi, she turns watching a washing machine into a thing of quivering erotic wonder. "My blouse wrapping around your trousers," she sings. "Oh, and the waves are going out/ my skirt floating up around my waist." Laundry day in the Bush household must be an absolute hoot. Aerial sounds like an album made in isolation. On the down side, that means some of it seems dated. You can't help feeling she might have thought twice about the lumpy funk of Joanni and the preponderance of fretless bass if she got out a bit more. But, on the plus side, it also means Aerial is literally incomparable. You catch a faint whiff of Pink Floyd and her old mentor Dave Gilmour on the title track, but otherwise it sounds like nothing other than Bush's own back catalogue. It is filled with things only Kate Bush would do. Some of them you rather wish she wouldn't, including imitating bird calls and doing funny voices: King of the Mountain features a passable impersonation of its subject, Elvis, which is at least less disastrous than the strewth-cobber Aussie accent she adopted on 1982's The Dreaming. But then, daring to walk the line between the sublime and the demented is the point of Kate Bush's entire oeuvre. On Aerial she achieves far, far more of the former than the latter. When she does, there is nothing you can do but willingly succumb. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Nov 2005 21:00:34 -0800 From: Joseph Zitt Subject: Re: listening to Aerial Doug wrote: >If a friend buys it and we listen to it, are we obligated to buy it? >Where is the line? > > That would seem to be a personal, moral choice. Thinking of such situations in terms of a spectrum rather than a line can lead to a more nuanced sense of the issues involved. >--Doug > >On 11/2/05, Summoner Marc wrote: > > >>And you should buy Aerial since you did download it, but hey, whatever ^^ ------------------------------ End of ecto-digest V11 #301 ***************************