From: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org (ecto-digest) To: ecto-digest@smoe.org Subject: ecto-digest V11 #174 Reply-To: ecto@smoe.org Sender: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk ecto-digest Friday, June 24 2005 Volume 11 : Number 174 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: burning iTunes [Paul Schreiber ] Today's your birthday, friend... [Mike Matthews ] Re: ectoish big log [breinheimer@webtv.net] interesting Laurie Anderson interview [Michele ] RE: burning iTunes ["Bill Adler" ] Re: burning iTunes [Steve VanDevender ] Re: Ectoish Big Log [drumz@best.com] Re: miscellany [raven@igc.org] Re: burning iTunes [Sander ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 23:16:21 -0700 From: Paul Schreiber Subject: Re: burning iTunes Nadine wrote: > Okay, okay, I'm sure that no-one can tell the difference > between a 320 MP3 and the original WAV/AIFF, but I still don't see the > point of using MP3 if the final file is the same size as the WAV/ > AIFF is. If lossless compression formats like FLAC and SHN can do 2:1, I would imagine a 320 Kbps MP3 can beat that. While 50% savings is not exactly rocket surgery, it's still significant. Paul shad 96c / uw cs 2001 / mac activist / fumbler / eda / headliner / navy-souper fan of / sophie b. / steve poltz / habs / bills / 49ers / "Oh I'll be 21 and old without a clue" -- Emm Gryner, "July" [demime 0.97c-p1 removed an attachment of type application/pkcs7-signature which had a name of smime.p7s] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 03:00:01 -0400 (EDT) From: Mike Matthews Subject: Today's your birthday, friend... i*i*i*i*i*i i*i*i*i*i*i *************** *****HAPPY********* **************BIRTHDAY********* *************************************************** *************************************************************************** ******************** Teresa VanDyne (no Email address) ******************** *************************************************************************** -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- - -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Teresa VanDyne Thu June 23 1960 Cancer Dave Torok Mon June 24 1968 Cancer Ethan Straffin Thu June 24 1971 Cancer Kevin Dekan Mon June 27 1960 Cancer Samantha Tanner Tue June 30 1970 Wild Goose BunkyTom Tue July 02 1968 Cancer Anders Hallberg Tue July 03 1962 Cancer Kevin Harkins Thu July 05 1973 Cancer Laurel Krahn Mon July 05 1971 Cancer John J Henshon Mon July 05 1954 The Year Of The Horse / Ruled By The Moon Jim Gurley Mon July 06 1959 Cancer Lisa Rouchka Fri July 08 1960 Moonchild with Java Rising Courtney Dallas Fri July 09 1971 Catte Michael Peskura Sat July 09 1949 HallOfFamer Finney T. Tsai Sat July 09 1966 Cancer Larry Greenfield Tue July 11 1950 Virgo Rising; Gemini Moon Marion Kippers Tue July 13 1965 Kreeft Ellen Rawson Thu July 13 1961 Double Cancer Mitch Pravatiner Mon July 14 1952 Cancer R. Rapp Wed July 14 1954 On a Gray Eye Sojourn John Zimmer Sun July 16 1961 Cancer Dan Stark Sun July 16 1961 Cancer Cathy Guetzlaff Mon July 18 1955 Cancer Vlad Sat July 18 1970 Warning: severe tire damage Jani Pinola Thu July 20 1972 Jonquil - -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 07:59:40 -0400 From: breinheimer@webtv.net Subject: Re: ectoish big log Viktor Krauss, brother of Alison and bassist for Union Station, put out an album (Feb 2004?) called Far from Enough (Nonsuch Records). On it is a cover of "Big Log" featuring Alison on vocals. Perhaps this is what you heard. I have not heard the album but since it features Jerry Douglas on dobro, Steve Jordan on drums and the incomparable Bill Frissell on guitar I think one can safely assume that the playing is on a very high level. np: Cowboy Junkies-Trinity Sessions nr: Kim "Howard" Johnson-The First 28 Years of Monty Python - Bill ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 10:23:21 -0700 From: Michele Subject: interesting Laurie Anderson interview Greetings, all. One of my guilty pleasures is laying in my bed when I really should already be asleep and listening to BBC World late at night. I'm not at all sorry that I was still listening a couple of nights ago when they ran the latest installment of their series "Masterpiece," and it was a lengthy chat with Laurie Anderson. BBC has been helpful enough to put it up on the web at: http://www.bbc.co.uk/worldservice/programmes/masterpiece.shtml Their description: "She talks about her relationship to technology, her relationship to post 9/11 America and about her most recent work "The End of the Moon" based on her two year collaboration with the US Space Agency NASA as their first artist in residence." Just wanted to share, Michele in San Francisco, who did actually meet a few of you back at the excellent EctoFestWest ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 14:11:33 -0400 From: "Bill Adler" Subject: RE: burning iTunes One other reason to import at the highest bitrate is that MP3, AAC, OGG and other encoding formats may not be around forever. The day may come sooner than later when we'll have to convert our digital music into some other format because the next generation of music players have abandoned MP3 or AAC and whatever they're using now. When we convert all our music from MP3 to XYZ, there may be some additional loss of quality. Preserving our digital music could involve reducing the quality of our music collection every decade or sooner -- though I hope not! About a year ago I changed my default settings in iTunes from 128 to 256 kbps, and I'm now experimenting with importing my CDs as uncompressed WAV files and at 320 kbps. Here's how a 5 minute 52 second song I imported breaks down: 256: 10.9 megs 320: 13.5 megs WAV: 59.4 megs And I agree about stripping off the DRM from store-bought songs. Any rights management restriction even further constrains your ability to hear your music years from now. - --Bill n.p. Anne-Marie Helder, The Contact Michael Pearce on iTunes compression: >> My only criticism of iTunes is that the compression rate is too low. I always rip CDs (and converted vinyl) at the 2nd highest quality MP3 instead of AAC because the format is more compatible and very little original signal is lost. So I can stuff only 6 CDs onto an MP3 CD instead of 11. Big loss. More important, you should always export your iTunes Music Store purchases to AIFF and re-import them as high-quality MP3s. That strips off the DRM so you can do whatever you want with them, including play them on other kinds of players. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 11:47:49 -0700 From: Steve VanDevender Subject: Re: burning iTunes Nadyne Mielke writes: > And 320 still does sampling, whereas WAV/AIFF is the real deal. Maybe you mean something different by "sampling", but WAV and AIFF files are files of audio samples (typically at a rate of 44.1 KHz and 16 bits per sample for each of two channels). MP3/AAC/OGG process those samples into a representation that can be stored more compactly but which recreates only a close approximation to the original input. The lossless audio compression methods take advantage of the normal properties of typical audio not being entirely random (such as not typically using the entire range of sample space, not slewing rapidly between dynamic extremes, etc.) to compress the sample data somewhat while allowing it to be recreated exactly. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 06:22:33 +0000 (GMT) From: drumz@best.com Subject: Re: Ectoish Big Log > Today over lunchtime WXPN played a very ecto version of Robert Plant's > classic "Big Log". Does anyone here know who the artist might be, or > for that matter know of an extant dreamy female vocal recording of that > song? > > Thanks as ever, > Bob Lovejoy A bit of Googling turned up this, which sounds like what you want: http://www.robertplanthomepage.com/pages/news_from_2004.htm February 16th Plant gets covered! "Big Log" gets covered by Viktor Krause as Allison does the vocals. Its on Viktor's new album Far From Enough that's now in Stores. The song has been getting some play on Public Radio shows in the US and if you follow this link you can hear it. Big Log comes in at about the 28 minute mark of the program. The song is well does, it has the main riff yet adds a very bluesy feeling. Ethan ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 19:18:28 -0700 From: raven@igc.org Subject: Re: miscellany At 11:55 PM 06/19/2005, paul kim wrote: > > I'm very bummed that I am missing Feist and Rilo Kiley > tonight in L.A., but I had no one to go with. Assume you know about World Cafe. Today they had an interesting "live" session with Feist. It's rebroadcast on many stations around the country, you can get a complete list at My favorite World Cafe sources are WXPN (broadcast 11am PT, rebroadcast 11pm PT) WUMB (broadcast 6pm PT, rebroadcast midnight PT) adjust these times for your local time zone. If you miss it tonight, I think they rebroadcast the whole week's "live" World Cafe sessions on Saturday, on WXPN. - -- John ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2005 15:20:02 +1000 From: Sander Subject: Re: burning iTunes Bill Adler wrote: > and I'm now experimenting with importing my CDs as uncompressed WAV > files and at 320 kbps. Here's how a 5 minute 52 second song I imported > breaks down: > > 256: 10.9 megs > 320: 13.5 megs > WAV: 59.4 megs If you haven't already, you might also want to look into ripping as FLAC (Free Lossless Audio Codec - where it's free in every sense of the word; no patent encumbrance on anything, just like Ogg Vorbis (nowadays falls under the ogg umbrella as well in fact)), which should give you a size of about 30MB, without any loss in audio-quality. It's also played natively by some mp3 players - the Rio Karma (and its rumored successor, the Chroma) in particular. Sander ------------------------------ End of ecto-digest V11 #174 ***************************