From: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org (ecto-digest) To: ecto-digest@smoe.org Subject: ecto-digest V11 #161 Reply-To: ecto@smoe.org Sender: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk ecto-digest Saturday, June 11 2005 Volume 11 : Number 161 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Today's your birthday, friend... [Mike Matthews ] Pride Music [neal copperman ] missy higgins on US TV. [heidi maier ] johnny cash: hurt [Adam K ] Re: johnny cash: hurt. [meredith ] Meanwhile....(reissue/remaster/reissue/remaster) [Adam K ] NYC Madness: Jorane, The Ditty Bops, Charlotte Martin [meredith ] Re: Meanwhile....(reissue/remaster/reissue/remaster) [Bernie Mojzes ] Re: NYC Madness: Jorane, The Ditty Bops, Charlotte Martin ["Xenu's Sister] Deserving artists ["Xenu's Sister" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 03:00:06 -0400 (EDT) From: Mike Matthews Subject: Today's your birthday, friend... i*i*i*i*i*i i*i*i*i*i*i *************** *****HAPPY********* **************BIRTHDAY********* *************************************************** *************************************************************************** ****************** Sonja Juchniewich (no Email address) ******************* *************************************************************************** -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- - -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Sonja Juchniewich Mon June 10 1963 Pegasus Joerg Plate Mon June 12 1967 Gemini Chris Montville Tue June 13 1978 Gemini Ectoplasm (original name) Mailing List Thu June 13 1991 Fuzzier blue Paul Huesman Wed June 14 1967 coffee drinker Mark R. Susskind Wed June 15 1966 Gemini Dave Upham Sun June 15 1958 Gemini Mike Matthews Mon June 16 1969 Pr. SAFH Albert Philipsen Mon June 17 1968 Gemini Neal R. Copperman Thu June 17 1965 Gemini Susan Kay Anderson Tue June 17 1969 Gemini Ecto-The Mailing List Tue June 18 1991 Fuzzy blue Tracy Barber Mon June 18 1956 Gemini Greg Dunn Thu June 18 1953 + Paul Blair Thu June 18 1964 Objectivist Mike Connell Sat June 18 1955 Apollo David Lubkin Fri June 20 1958 OurLady Marisa Wood Fri June 20 1969 Gemini Cheri Villines Sun June 20 1965 Gemini-Leo rising Ray Misra Sat June 20 1970 Gemini Nik Popa Sun June 22 1969 Cancer Teresa VanDyne Thu June 23 1960 Cancer Dave Torok Mon June 24 1968 Cancer Ethan Straffin Thu June 24 1971 Cancer Kevin Dekan Mon June 27 1960 Cancer Samantha Tanner Tue June 30 1970 Wild Goose BunkyTom Tue July 02 1968 Cancer Anders Hallberg Tue July 03 1962 Cancer Kevin Harkins Thu July 05 1973 Cancer Laurel Krahn Mon July 05 1971 Cancer John J Henshon Mon July 05 1954 The Year Of The Horse / Ruled By The Moon Jim Gurley Mon July 06 1959 Cancer Lisa Rouchka Fri July 08 1960 Moonchild with Java Rising Courtney Dallas Fri July 09 1971 Catte Michael Peskura Sat July 09 1949 HallOfFamer Finney T. Tsai Sat July 09 1966 Cancer - -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 01:06:27 -0600 From: neal copperman Subject: Pride Music Thanks to everyone who made suggestions on music suitable for my show on Saturday. Special thanks to Meredith and JoAnn for suggestions that actually made it onto the show. But the discussion itself, listening and looking for the suggested music, put me in the right mindset, which helped me find other music that I might not have thought of. Here's the music that will be played: I Like What I Like - Green Chili Jam Band (Coconut Moon) 2:38 Who's So Scared - disappear fear (disappear fear) 4 to 6:15 (fadeable) Ya Eyo Lublo "I Love Her"- Irina Rivkin (from upwelling) 3:00 The Christians and the Pagans - Dar Williams (from Mortal City) 3:00 Variations on a Theme - Billy Jonas (Get Real) 3:10 Home is Where The Heart Is - Sally Fingerett (or 4 Bitchin' Babes) 6:13 Rainbow Connection - Kermit Everybody Be Yo'self - Keb' Mo' and The Kids (Songs of Sesame Str) Black & White - Freddie McGregor & Brigadier Jerry A Place in the Choir - Makem and Clancy 2:26 If anyone really cares, you can here it all at 9 am (MST) at kunm.org. neal ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2005 00:08:08 +1000 From: heidi maier Subject: missy higgins on US TV. apparently she is going to be on a show called "last call with carson daly" on june 16th. heidi. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 17:20:09 +0100 From: Adam K Subject: johnny cash: hurt This is one of the most incredible videos ever, one of the few to have actually made me cry. I saw it a couple of times, once at the end of a documentary about Cash. I've never been a huge fan, but this stunning retrospective of his life is just...well, stunning. As a commentator said, "He put his own full stop at the end of his career". Or something like that. If you haven't seen it, I urge you to follow the links that have been posted. SEE IT! adam k. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 12:33:51 -0400 From: meredith Subject: Re: johnny cash: hurt. Hi, > does anybody know of anywhere online > one can see the video for this song? This particular video isn't on the site, but I thought I'd mention that Yahoo's Launch has a lot of videos ... when I'm looking for a video it's the first place I look, and more often than not it's there. http://launch.yahoo.com - -- =============================================== Meredith Tarr New Haven, CT USA mailto:meth@smoe.org http://www.smoe.org/meth =============================================== hear at the HOMe House Concert Series http://hom.smoe.org =============================================== ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 18:41:34 +0100 From: Adam K Subject: Meanwhile....(reissue/remaster/reissue/remaster) Oh, lord, when will it stop? When will it STOP? No sooner have the series of delightful Nektar reissues start to trickle to an end (with only the sub-standard Magic is a Child and the awesome Sounds Like This to come) Van der Graaf Generator start theirs, with H to He, The Least We Can Do and Pawn Hearts all sitting on my desk, with extensive liner notes, bonus tracks and stunning sound, beckoning me, beckoning me to indulge in this awe-inspiring collision of technology and nostalgia. More to come, plus Hammill's back catalogue, I understand (what, all 30-some albums?) and now....NOW....Gentle Giant is starting with "35th Anniversary" reissues, and I await my version of Free Hand with eagerness. Ah, the curse of living long enough to see technology pillage my memories and bring them up shinier and more desirable than even I remember. It's bank-breaking. At this rate, I'll have to start selling my body. A lot. If I start with my kidneys and leave the brain, lungs and ears until last, it might just work. adam k np: The Least We Can Do is Wave to Each Other/VdGG ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 14:28:20 -0400 From: "JoAnn Whetsell" Subject: tagaq anyone? Does anyone know anything about the singer Tagaq? Her new album was written up in MapleMusic's monthly newsletter (quoted below) and sounded interesting, but I couldn't find much on her. Apparently she toured with Bjork and sang on Medulla. Her website http://www.tanyatagaq.com/ has only 2 short sound samples. The music sounds like it could be really interesting, but I'd like to know more before ordering. JoAnn "Born and raised in Nunavut, Tagaq has brought her own contemporary and emotional style of throat singing to festival stages, opera houses and mausoleums throughout the world. Throat singing is a traditional vocal game between two women but without a singing partner, Tagaq created her own unique style. She has collaborated with the likes of Bjork and Kronos Quartet and her new record Sinaa is now available at MapleMusic." ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 14:38:28 -0400 From: meredith Subject: NYC Madness: Jorane, The Ditty Bops, Charlotte Martin Hi, So, yeah. Four shows in one night in NYC. We made it to three (sadly, Trina Hamlin was the odd one out due to the vagaries of scheduling). It was great to see Dan Stark and Leif and Paul Blair! First was Jorane, at The Mercury Lounge. Since she was stuck on the early (7:30) slot there was only a couple dozen people there, but she rocked anyway. My only complaint about the show was that it was way too loud. Apparently she had her own sound guy with her, which was astonishing because he is obviously suffering from severe hearing loss. The room was small, hardly anyone was in it, she was one woman solo with a cello -- so why the hell did I need earplugs?! That aside, it was a great set. The set list was very similar to what she did at Joe's Pub a few weeks ago, in much the same order. Her voice and cello playing were wonderful. (I missed out on a golden opportunity to meet and chat with her, though, because I was starving and needed to get something to eat before the next show. Oh well -- next time.) After a quick trip up the street to Ray's Pizza, we went back to see The Ditty Bops. We'd seen them opening for The Dresden Dolls last fall, and I was curious to see what their own set would be like. Answer: a lot more surreal, and even more fun. When we were in Ray's we saw the band walk by, and they were impossible to miss because Amanda (the mandolin player) has cherry-red hair, and she was carrying a bunch of balloons that matched her hair exactly. (Conversation about how accessories aren't what they used to be immediately ensued. :) Turns out the balloons were props for a song, along with a sword-cane, a bouquet of pansies (which ended up getting tossed onto my head), and a parasol. The Ditty Bops aren't for everyone (in fact, IIRC Dan described their set as "absolute torture" :}), but they are a lot of fun if you like old-timey type stuff. They have a mandolin, upright bass, and fiddle in their band, and the two singers sound like they fell off one of my parents' old 78's (think Andrews Sisters). I found myself visualizing them doing the Saturday after-dinner set at Falcon Ridge -- this is something I'd love to see happen. I think they'd go over really well there. After this we made our way over to The Living Room, where we had tickets to see Charlotte Martin. Getting in turned out to be an example of how *not* to run a venue -- they do ticketed shows often enough that you'd think they'd have it figured out by now, but no. The band in the 10:00 slot went _way_ over their time, so even though Charlotte Martin was supposed to go on at 11, we didn't even get inside until 11:15. In the meantime, we stood sardined into a small space by the bar, and the line grew behind us practically out the door by the time things actually got moving. Some of the people at the 10:00 show also had tickets, so when they cleared the room suddenly there was this knot of people blocking the way and it was absolute gridlock for several minutes. Ridiculous. At least we were able to get a good table near the front, once everything had finally shaken itself out. By that time all I wanted was a seat, I didn't care what happened after that! Then Charlotte made her Grand Entrance, and I suddenly cared very much. "Pretentious" doesn't even begin to describe it ... putting on a lush backing track and swooping in from the back of the room would work fine at the Beacon Theater, but not at a teeny place where only two shows a week (if that) aren't pass-the-tip-bucket. The thing is, her legion of swooning fans positively lapped it all up. I've listened to Charlotte's recordings trying hard to see through the Tori-clone and KaTe-clone aspects, to find the real Charlotte Martin hiding underneath. I haven't had much success, so I was hoping seeing her live would help. Unfortunately, it had exactly the opposite effect: I don't think I'll ever be able to listen to her recordings again. I certainly won't be seeing her perform again. When a musician is ruled by their influences at the start of their career, there's really only two ways they can go. One, they can take the Tori and Kate and Peter Gabriel albums of their youth and synthesize them into something new and fresh and definitely their own (e.g. Vienna Teng), or they can be a one-woman tribute band. If I had gone in having never heard of Tori Amos, I'm sure I would think Charlotte Martin was amazing. But I have heard Tori, and I've seen Tori play, so even with my eyes closed (which I tried many times during her set) I was overwhelmed by the note-by-note imitation that was happening before me. Don't get me wrong -- Charlotte is a very talented girl. You have to be, to play piano exactly the way Tori does, and to sing as well as she does. But it wasn't just that the music is a pastiche of musical and lyrical phrases taken from all over the Tori Amos and Kate Bush catalogs and glommed together into an approximation of what a 6th grader passes off as a research paper after spending an evening with the Encyclopedia Brittanica. It was how she straddled her piano stool just like Tori, and breathed into the microphone just like Tori, and even looked at various guys in the front row just like Tori ... hell, she even made that little tongue-clicking sound and looked demurely up at the ceiling to punctuate certain phrases, just like Tori! I haven't been that annoyed by a live performance since the last time I saw Paula Cole. Oh, and she even had her own Caton: her fiance (and producer) played a pitch-perfect Caton atmospheric guitar impersonation on two songs. There was a highlight of the show, and that was her cover of "Cloudbusting". When the news first hit that Tori would be doing covers on the current tour and people could submit requests at toriamos.com, that's the request that I put in. She hasn't done it, of course, but now I know what it would have sounded like. I liked it quite a bit. At the show's end, the icing on the pretension cake: no one was calling for an encore, but she came back for one anyway. And then, after she was led through the crowd -- of people who posed zero threat to her -- by a bodyguard-type woman, she stood under the "THIS IS WHERE CHARLOTTE WILL BE SIGNING. PLEASE FORM A SINGLE LINE AND WAIT YOUR TURN." sign over her merch table and met with her adoring public. Again, Beacon Theater at The Living Room. It was all way too much. So, overall: Jorane big Yay! (I wish I could see her play every week). Ditty Bops: yay!! Charlotte Martin: definitely not worth getting home at 3am. *sigh* So, Vickie -- I didn't get a chance to ask her if she's listened to the Happy CD, sorry. If she hadn't been mobbed I would've gladly asked her, but at that point it was really late and we still had to drive home, so we couldn't stick around that long. I hope she does listen to the CD, though -- I'm sure some Happy injected into her pastiche would sound really pretty. - -- =============================================== Meredith Tarr New Haven, CT USA mailto:meth@smoe.org http://www.smoe.org/meth =============================================== hear at the HOMe House Concert Series http://hom.smoe.org =============================================== ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 12:04:08 -0700 From: Damon Subject: Re: tagaq anyone? hey joann - On 10 Jun, JoAnn Whetsell wrote: > Does anyone know anything about the singer Tagaq? i saw her at the vancouver folk music festival several years ago, billed as tanya tagaq-gillis. i remember her being part of the `workshop' i enjoyed the most there, but i don't remember a whole lot about her singing - i think it was throat singing (which i'd heard before) with a sort of `techno' feel to it, which was very odd, but it seemed to work. hmm, that wasn't tremendously helpful. sorry. - -damon - -- dl+ecto@usrbin.ca: protecting my real address since 2002 (too late!) > EWS starts here! < ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 15:05:20 -0400 (EDT) From: Bernie Mojzes Subject: Re: Meanwhile....(reissue/remaster/reissue/remaster) better to be poor but happy? i'm still debating the $37 they want for the import of _Present_. not whether i'll spend the money, but *when* i'll spend the money... i'm listening to patti smith's _radio ethiopia_ and wondering what strange dementia allows me to be passionate about this tangled jumble of noise, and also VdGG, and Gentle Giant, and Happy Rhodes and Kate and Thelonius Monk and Morphine and Gang of Four and... all at the same time. befuzzled, i remain, brni On Fri, 10 Jun 2005, Adam K wrote: > Oh, lord, when will it stop? When will it STOP? > > No sooner have the series of delightful Nektar reissues start to trickle > to an end (with only the sub-standard Magic is a Child and the awesome > Sounds Like This to come) Van der Graaf Generator start theirs, with H > to He, The Least We Can Do and Pawn Hearts all sitting on my desk, with > extensive liner notes, bonus tracks and stunning sound, beckoning me, > beckoning me to indulge in this awe-inspiring collision of technology > and nostalgia. More to come, plus Hammill's back catalogue, I > understand (what, all 30-some albums?) and now....NOW....Gentle Giant is > starting with "35th Anniversary" reissues, and I await my version of > Free Hand with eagerness. Ah, the curse of living long enough to see > technology pillage my memories and bring them up shinier and more > desirable than even I remember. It's bank-breaking. At this rate, I'll > have to start selling my body. A lot. If I start with my kidneys and > leave the brain, lungs and ears until last, it might just work. > > adam k > > np: The Least We Can Do is Wave to Each Other/VdGG > - -- brni i don't want the world, i just want your half. www.livejournal.com/~brni ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 12:35:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Neile Graham Subject: Re: Meanwhile....(reissue/remaster/reissue/remaster) > i'm still debating the $37 they want for the import of _Present_. not > whether i'll spend the money, but *when* i'll spend the money... Sandy Denny's solo discs have all been remastered and reissued, and so I MUST have them. But I'm getting them as part of an ongoing disc exchange with a U.K. ectophile (bless him!) so I'm not actually spending the money myself, and of course when I buy discs for him I'm spending the money for him, so they're really free, right? Right? - --Neile - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- neile@drizzle.com / neile@sff.net .... http://www.sff.net/people/neile Editor, The Ectophiles' Guide to Good Music . http://www.ectoguide.org Workshop Administrator, Clarion West ...... http://www.clarionwest.org ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 14:12:23 -0700 From: "Peter Clark" Subject: Re: Re: Meanwhile....(reissue/remaster/reissue/remaster) I assume they're reissuing on CD? I'll keep my vinyl originals, thanks. Peter C - -= High Performance Analogue =- www.redpoint-audio-design.com - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Neile Graham" To: "Ecto" Sent: Friday, June 10, 2005 12:35 PM Subject: [Norton AntiSpam] Re: Meanwhile....(reissue/remaster/reissue/remaster) :> i'm still debating the $37 they want for the import of _Present_. not : > whether i'll spend the money, but *when* i'll spend the money... : : Sandy Denny's solo discs have all been remastered and reissued, and so I : MUST have them. But I'm getting them as part of an ongoing disc exchange : with a U.K. ectophile (bless him!) so I'm not actually spending the money : myself, and of course when I buy discs for him I'm spending the money for : him, so they're really free, right? Right? : : --Neile : : ---------------------------------------------------------------------- : neile@drizzle.com / neile@sff.net .... http://www.sff.net/people/neile : Editor, The Ectophiles' Guide to Good Music . http://www.ectoguide.org : Workshop Administrator, Clarion West ...... http://www.clarionwest.org : ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 20:03:17 -0400 From: Paul Blair Subject: Re: NYC ectophiles note: tonight's schedule Peter C wrote: >OTOH, Martha Davis and Motels might have their moments. Last nights show actually turned out better than I expected, in the sense that fewer acts were so obviously washed up. Martha Davis is still attractive but has gotten rather stately: http://www.nbc.com/nbc/Hit_Me_Baby/images/week2_p6.jpg http://www.nbc.com/nbc/Hit_Me_Baby/images/week2_p15.jpg http://www.nbc.com/nbc/Hit_Me_Baby/images/week2_p18.jpg Her performance, though, wasn't all that interesting. The Knack is still The Knack, and Vanilla Ice is still Vanilla Ice. Tommy Tutone, though, just couldn't cut it. It's interesting that each week's victors so far have been the Hip-Hop candidates Arrested Development and Vanilla Ice... wonder what that says about the musical taste of the culture at large. Next week: Howard Jones, Irene Cara, Sophie B. Hawkins and... Wang Chung!! < http://www.ifilm.com/media/getmetafile.ram?pinfo=fid:2533339|mt:ro|bw:MULTI > >----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Blair" >To: >Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 3:31 PM >Subject: Re: NYC ectophiles note: tonight's schedule > >>What, and miss The Knack, Tommy Tutone and Vanilla Ice on "Hit Me >>Baby One More Time"? >> >>;-) >> >>(Out of curiosity I saw last week's premiere with the overweight, >>balding and vocally insufficient Loverboy and Flock of Seagulls -- >>not to mention the cheesiest host ever. It was weirdly satisfying >>to my morbid curiosity in a way that "Where Are They Now?" never >>was--seeing these bands play live for just a few minutes was enough >>to make it clear that, wherever they are now, they should stay >>there.) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 19:21:34 -0700 (PDT) From: "Xenu's Sister" Subject: Re: vickie's cd distributing - --- cjmacs wrote: > *huge door creaking sound* > > meth n vickie wrote: > > > >> I just want to know if one, just freaking > >> ONE of the thousands of CDs I've given away has made it > >> from my hands to the ears of the person I gave it to. > >> > >> Never, ever, not once, have I heard that it's happened. > > > > Really? I thought Sarah McLachlan later told someone she'd > listened to > > the copy of _Warpaint_ you gave her ... maybe I'm > hallucinating that? > > > > i can vouch for the fact that sarah DEFINITELY LISTENED > TO THE CD! (because WAY back then i asked her about it > after i saw vickie post about giving it to her!) > > oh yeah, she REALLY LIKED IT too!!! I've been trying to figure out how to answer this without sounding like a psycho bitch. I let it simmer for a couple of days and I'm not in any better shape. First, thanks for telling me, it's nice to know in a general sense. The fact that it makes me deeply depressed probably says more about my current state of mind than I'd prefer to share with people, but it's still nice to know. I'm glad she listened to it. Second...well, there would be a second if I could figure out a way to not sound like a bitter old hag because Sarah (and Tori and Kate, all who got Happy CDs from me) can afford to take time off from their wildly successful careers to have kids then come right back to their careers, money, fans and clout intact, while Happy works a frickin day job and can't yet pay to professionally master her album. (Of *course* they don't owe her a damn thing, but big dreams of one of these women helping Happy in even a small way out die hard, you know?) > i also asked tori WAY back then if she enjoyed the > happy cd vickie gave her and she said she tried not > to listen o too much other music when on the road but > that she was planning to. (whether that ever happened, > who knows!) I think I've given Tori everything except MWABT. I gave her Happy CDs the first few times I met her (not the first time, because I didn't have anything with me). Ha, I was just reading my account of giving Tori some more CDs at: http://www.toriamos.org/cgi-bin/detail.pl?item=story:75 It appeared in the Tori fanzine Really Deep Thoughts in 1993. Here's what I said pertaining to Happy: ========= I said "I don't know if you remember, but the last time you were in town I gave you a CD by a woman named Happy Rhodes..." and before I could say anything else her eyes went wide and she yelped "Oh!!" She flung out her arms and exclaimed "I love Happy Rhodes!" then she touched my arm and asked "Do you ever talk to her?'" I said yes and she said "Oh! Tell Happy I love her music!!" It was so genuine, I was just overjoyed! We discussed the fact that Happy didn't have a record contract. She said that she would pass the word along to omeone and I was a bit shocked. That's not why I gave Tori Happy's music and I said so. I didn't want her to think that I was just trying to "use" her. Honestly, I'd just oped that she would enjoy the music. Tori said that she understood that, but that she also knew how it was to be an unknown artist. ... ========= These pictures follow that... http://wretchawry.com/tori/Tori_Me_RoseRecords1_sm.jpg I had just shown her the Happy CDs (unfortunately out of frame) and that was her reaction. http://wretchawry.com/tori/Tori_Me_RoseRecords2_sm.jpg This was her focused talk to me about independent artists and Happy. She's holding the CDs I gave her. http://wretchawry.com/tori/Tori_Me_RoseRecords3_sm.jpg A hug, of course. http://wretchawry.com/tori/Tori_Me_RoseRecords4c_sm.jpg A smile. http://wretchawry.com/tori/BBaby.jpg Me, years later, confused and somewhat miffed that it was all talk, and she didn't really mean any of it. She's still a goddess. > vickie, it was networking at it's finest - i used your > happy cd giving as a conversation starter! can you imagine > what these women were thinking when some crazy fan in > chicago would give them a happy rhodes cd and then some > crazy fan in connecticut would ask them a few weeks later > if they liked it!?!?!?!?! :) Yeah, it had to have been weird back then. Vickie - -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ Music, all I hear is music, guaranteed to please... - -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ - -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 19:51:37 -0700 (PDT) From: "Xenu's Sister" Subject: Re: NYC Madness: Jorane, The Ditty Bops, Charlotte Martin - --- meredith wrote (another AMAZING write-up): > So, Vickie -- I didn't get a chance to ask her if > she's listened to the Happy CD, sorry. If she > hadn't been mobbed I would've gladly asked her, > but at that point it was really late and we still > had to drive home, so we couldn't stick around that > long. I hope she does listen to the CD, though -- > I'm sure some Happy injected into her pastiche would > sound really pretty. *laugh* Hey, I'll take a little Happy recognition any way I can get it. It's funny, I read your opinions of Charlotte, and I agree with them for the most part, but our reactions are completely different. I like Charlotte a lot, and her influences are exquisite. She's Tori (lite) without the weird Fairie shit. I can see someone getting into Charlotte and then delving into her influences and becoming Tori and Kate fans. That's a worthy reason to exist right there. And even though she channels Tori via her (excellent) piano playing, I don't think their voices are at all similar. Her songs may not be on Tori's level, but the lyrics make sense. I do love Tori, but she weirded me out years ago. I think I stopped reading interviews in 1993. I quit paying attention to the lyrics after Under the Pink. Just give me the music and STFU Tori. But ah, what wonderful music it is, and always will be, so any artist who acts as a conduit to people like Tori and Kate (and please, for the love of all that's good in the world, Happy), needs to exist. As far as being mobbed, Tori fans are no better, and on a bigger scale. But yeah, the same thing happened in Chicago. I told Chris "I'm not leaving without talking to Charlotte" and he looked very unhappy. Fortunately they herded everybody out since there was another band playing that night, and people like me who were at the back of the line inside found ourselves at the front of the line outside. There were a lot of people, and she stayed to talk to every last one. Good for her. Maybe I give Charlotte a lot of leeway because if Happy ever got some attention, people would be saying the same thing about her and Kate. Happy's not on Kate's level, and people would use that to smear Happy with a 'might as well just listen to the original' brush. It's happened. Happy uses her influences in a different way, by taking inspiration and filtering it through her own talent, but the concept is the same. I feel for Charlotte. Beyond that, I deeply envy you for a fantastic evening. I haven't heard them but I'll bet I'll LOVE The Ditty Bops. Vickie - -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ Music, all I hear is music, guaranteed to please... - -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ - -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 20:41:01 -0700 (PDT) From: "Xenu's Sister" Subject: Deserving artists After my micro rant I thought I'd better say that it's not just Happy who should be well-known and flush with cash, clout and fans. Happy's very important to me, so of course I'm going to be more emotional about her. I was just listening to several people who have next to no recognition and who would probably be very pleased to have the kind of recognition that *Happy's* gotten. I mean, if there were any justice in the world Noe Venable would be a household name, musically speaking. Secret Knots is one of the best albums to come out in the last 10 years, in my narrow worldview opinion. (Not to say that Noe envies Happy, it was just a matter of timing that this paragraph came after the last paragraph.) Noe loves Happy, so of course I feel more enveloping toward her than someone who isn't into Happy, but that doesn't matter. It's an amazing album, and even if she'd never joined ecto, one of you fine people would have found it. It's wonderful that ecto exists, that the ectoguide exists, so people like Pamela Golden aren't forgotten. I haven't been keeping up with music as I should, and it's a shame, because I just this evening listened to Two Loons For Tea for the very first time and was floored by them. Good music is all around, and ecto is an important part of that. If only people like me would listen already. v np: Noe Venable - The World Is Bound By Secret Knots (oDAMN WHAT A GREAT ALBUM!! "Is The Spirit Here?" YES!) - -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ Music, all I hear is music, guaranteed to please... - -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ - -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ ------------------------------ End of ecto-digest V11 #161 ***************************