From: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org (ecto-digest) To: ecto-digest@smoe.org Subject: ecto-digest V11 #118 Reply-To: ecto@smoe.org Sender: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk ecto-digest Friday, April 29 2005 Volume 11 : Number 118 Today's Subjects: ----------------- RE: 70s music ["Bill Mazur" ] RE: 70s music ["Bill Mazur" ] Today's your birthday, friend... [Mike Matthews ] Re: anneli drecker news ["lunacia [mailing lists]" ] Re: Ecto Introductory Music [Runly ] Re: Ecto introductory music [Bernie Mojzes ] Re: judging art [Bernie Mojzes ] Re: Ecto introductory music [robert bristow-johnson ] Any web stats geeks around? (access logs) ["Xenu's Sister" Subject: RE: 70s music All of the eras of music mentioned have their merit for sure. The timeframe of 1971 to 1975 was really good for me personally with regards to my listening pleasure then and now. Here are some of what I believe to be classic CDs from the 1971 to 1975 timeframe. They may or may not tickle your fancy or in other acronyms YMMV: 01) David Bowie: The Rise and Fall of Ziggy Stardust and the Spiders From Mars (1972) 02) Golden Earring: Moontan (1974) 03) Led Zeppelin: IV (1971) 04) Led Zeppelin: Houses of the Holy (1973) 05) Moody Blues: Every Good Boy Deserves Favour (1971) 06) Roxy Music: Siren (1975) 07) Todd Rundgren: A Wizard, A True Star (1973) 08) Steely Dan: Katy Lied (1975) 09) Supertramp: Crime of the Century (1974) 10) Traffic: The Low Spark of High Heeled Boys (1971) 11) Camel: The Snow Goose (1975) 13) Caravan: For Girls who Grow Plump in the Night (1973) 14) Curved Air: Phantasmagoria (1972) 15) Emerson, Lake & Palmer: Trilogy (1972) 16) Emerson, Lake & Palmer: Brain Salad Surgery (1973) 17) Focus: Moving Waves (1971) 18) Focus: Hamburger Concerto (1974) 19) Genesis: Nursery Cryme (1971) 20) Genesis: Foxtrot (1972) 21) Genesis: Selling England by the Pound (1973) 22) Genesis: The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway (1974) 22) Gentle Giant: In a Glass House (1973) 23) Gentle Giant: The Power and the Glory (1974) 24) Gentle Giant: Free Hand (1975) 25) Gong: Flying Teapot (1972) 26) Gong: Angel's Egg (1973) 27) Gong: You (1974) 28) Steve Hackett: Voyage of the Acolyte (1975) 29) Jethro Tull: Aqualung (1971) 30) Jethro Tull: Thick as a Brick (1972) 31) Le Orme: Uomo Di Pezza (1972) 32) Le Orme: Felona e Sorona (1973) 33) Nektar: Remember the Future (1973) 34) Mike Oldfield: Tubular Bells (1973) 35) Pink Floyd: Meddle (1971) 36) Pink Floyd: Dark Side of the Moon (1973) 37) PFM: Per Un Amico (1973) 38) PFM: L' Isola Di Niente (1974) 39) Renaissance: Prologue (1972) 40) Renaissance: Ashes Are Burning (1973) 41) Renaissance: Turn of the Cards (1974) 42) Renaissance: Scheherazade and Other Stories (1975) 43) Strawbs: Hero and Heroine (1974) 44) Strawbs: Ghosts (1974) 45) Yes: The Yes Album (1971) 46) Yes: Fragile (1971) 47) Yes: Close to the Edge (1972) - -----Original Message----- From: owner-ecto@smoe.org [mailto:owner-ecto@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Bowen Simmons Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2005 6:41 AM To: ecto@smoe.org Subject: Re: 70s music On Apr 26, 2005, at 12:55 AM, Bernie Mojzes wrote: > i guess i shouldn't be surprised, considering the bad rap that 70s > music > gets, and in particular what gets put on display as "70s music." but i > have to say that i was a little taken aback that >1 (>0, actually) > people > on this list professed an utter disdain for music from that decade. Well, the >0 people in question seems just like an oblique reference to me, although you can correct me if I'm wrong. Actually, I made no blanket denunciation of "70's" music; I made some highly negative remarks about the general state of music between 1971 and 1975, and indicated that it began a recover between 1976 and 1980. Much of the music you list (and almost all of it that I like) is actually music from 1976 to 1980, not 1971 to 1975. Without a year-by-year analysis of your list, it isn't even possible to say whether you are arguing with me or agreeing with me. Suffice it to say that in my case, the list of albums that I own from the first half of the decade is much shorter than the list from the second half of the decade. I have no way of knowing whether the same would be true for you or not. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 23:45:44 -0700 From: "Bill Mazur" Subject: RE: 70s music Somehow I skipped past Joni when I put together my list. Sorry! Hejira is my fave Joni recording. Blue is 2nd. - -----Original Message----- From: owner-ecto@smoe.org [mailto:owner-ecto@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Neile Graham Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2005 10:21 AM To: Ectophiles Subject: Re: 70s music There really isn't much 1970s music I personally like. At the time I was a big Elton John and Jethro Tull fan. But Joni Mitchell was doing her best music in the 70s. _Blue_ was 1971 and _Court and Spark_ 1974 (I won it for being student of the day at my junior high and didn't like it for about 12 years, stupid me, but at least I eventually caught on). _Hejira_ has to be one of the most brilliant albums of all time, and really her whole jazz phase from 1975 through 1980 was incredible. - --Neile - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- neile@drizzle.com / neile@sff.net .... http://www.sff.net/people/neile Editor, The Ectophiles' Guide to Good Music . http://www.ectoguide.org Workshop Administrator, Clarion West ...... http://www.clarionwest.org ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 03:00:02 -0400 (EDT) From: Mike Matthews Subject: Today's your birthday, friend... i*i*i*i*i*i i*i*i*i*i*i *************** *****HAPPY********* **************BIRTHDAY********* *************************************************** *************************************************************************** ******************* Brad Hutchinson (no Email address) ******************** *************************************************************************** -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- - -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Brad Hutchinson Tue April 28 1964 What sign? Geoff Parks Sun April 30 1961 Taurus Marty Lash Sat May 01 1948 Taurus Barney Parker Fri May 02 1986 happy cat Gray Abbott Tue May 03 1955 Suprised Tamar Boursalian Tue May 03 1966 Taurus Richard A. Holmes May 07 Taurus Steve Ito Fri May 08 1970 DA Bull... Brian Gregory Thu May 09 1963 Eclectic Catherine Sundnes Sat May 09 1970 Very Catzy Heidi Maier Wed May 10 1978 Taurus Patrick Varker Wed May 12 1954 Torius Philip David Morgan Sat May 12 1962 Chinese Tiger in Bull Clothing Steve Fagg Tue May 13 1958 Nightwol Karel Zuiderveld Fri May 13 1960 Stier Michael Colford Wed May 16 1962 Taurus Christopher Boek Tue May 19 1970 Taurus Julia Macklin Mon May 20 1968 ethereus Yngve Hauge Fri May 21 1971 Gemini Lisa Laane Tue May 22 1973 Gemini Jewel Kilcher Thu May 23 1974 The Gem Chandra Sriram Thu May 27 1971 Gemini Taina Sahlander Mon May 28 1973 Gemini - -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 09:00:12 +0200 From: "lunacia [mailing lists]" Subject: Re: anneli drecker news On 25 Apr 2005 at 19:02, wojizzle forizzle wrote: > Listen to 4 full lenght songs from Anneli's new album at http://www.annelidrecker.com. "You Don't Have To Change", "Desire", "Stop This" and "Safe Now" are available for streaming. Enjoy! I was really disappointed when I found out that her new "CD" is copy protected! I don't want a CD that I can't play wherever it suits me... lunacia ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 06:53:19 -0400 From: Runly Subject: Re: Ecto Introductory Music Cocteau Twins, anyone? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 10:47:19 -0400 (EDT) From: Bernie Mojzes Subject: Re: Ecto introductory music what are people's thoughts on using "mix tapes" - or rather, disks - instead of some album by a single artist? brni On Thu, 28 Apr 2005, robert bristow-johnson wrote: > on 04/27/2005 02:40, Bill Mazur at wpm@value.net wrote: > > > Tough call, but my Top 10 Best Ecto Intro CDs (for tonight and not in > > any specific order) would be: > > > > 1) Happy Rhodes - The Keep > > 2) Kate Bush - The Hounds of Love > > 3) Fairport Convention with Sandy Denny - Leige and Lief > > 4) Sarah McLachlan - Fumbling Towards Ecstacy > > 5) Tori Amos - Little Earthquakes > > 6) Loreena McKennitt - The Mask and the Mirror > > 7) Louisa John-Krol - Ariel > > 8) Vienna Teng - Waking Hour > > 9) Land of the Blind - Ordinary Magic > > 10) Heather Nova - Oyster > > can i add a suggestion of Vas - Feast of Silence. "In our Faith" is a > breathtakingly beautiful layered piece of music on the CD. i heard it on > Hearts of Space, and like first hearing "Save our Souls" (on Echoes), it was > a jaw-dropping, attention focusing moment. > > also Trance Mission - Meanwhile is a good '90s ectoish CD with a little > edge. ya gotta like really good didg to like this stuff. "Every Stone's > Dream" is the classic on that CD. > > - -- brni i don't want the world, i just want your half. www.livejournal.com/~brni ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 11:40:43 -0400 (EDT) From: Bernie Mojzes Subject: Re: judging art On Wed, 27 Apr 2005, Bowen Simmons wrote: > > The idea there is that we can't get a wholly objective > > view of any thing, only perspectives of that thing. But the thought is > > that by getting as many perspectives as we can, we can sort of > > triangulate > > in on what that thing is. > > I think this may be too strong. We accumulate perspectives, but we can > never get enough of them so that we really know what a thing is other > than what our perspectives of it are. I wouldn't say that all > perspectives are equal either: some people can see better than others > (and can communicate what they see to others so that they can see it > too) while some people's perspective is so poor that they can really > see very little (or even not be able to distinguish what is part of the > thing and what isn't). right. hence the "sort of" in "we can sort of triangulate." :) > > Yes, we only have perspectives of a thing (in this case a song). But > > we > > also bring to our experience of the song our own life history, our own > > wisdom and prejudices, and the wisdom and prejudices of the culture > > within > > which we operate. We also bring to our experience of the song any > > knowledge of the subject that we have, or any knowledge we have of the > > artist and the conditions within which the song was created. > > I think the "also" here is redundant - you're working on defining what > it means to say we have our perspectives on a thing, not offering > something else in addition to it: your comment makes sense to me if > instead of saying "But we also bring to our experience of the song" it > were to say "Our perspective on the song consists of such things as..." yes. substitute "We also" with "This means that." > > > The truth and the value of the song for me is the story (or stories) > > that > > I can tell about the song that are justifiable within the internal > > constraints generated by the text of the song and the available > > information. I don't think you can justify an interpretation of Tori > > Amos' song "Me and a Gun" that says it's about the wreck of the Edmund > > Fitzgerald. But the song can^H^H^Hwill mean different things to a > > person > > who has been raped than to a person who has not. And that meaning > > will be > > specific to that person's lived experience. > > There is something important here that I agree with. A problem with the > idea of "the author's intent" is its tendency to invalidate the > experience. A work of art is I think not a mathematical formula; there > is some sense of communication of the artist's experience that is > SUPPOSED to be different for different people (and even for the same > person at different points in their lives). Of course there are still > mis-experiences of the Emily Litella variety ("What's all this I keep > hearing about Soviet Jewelry?"). There are theories of art that defer everything to the author's intent, making that the baseline in determining the meaning of the piece. Others have proclaimed the author "dead" - meaning that once the piece is released into the world, what the author intended is irrelevant. I'd say that the meaning of a piece is determined by a number of different things, and that one of those is the author's intent, or at least, what we understand is the author's intent. There was a very interesting book by a scientist named Thomas Kuhn called "The Structure of Scientific Revolutions." This text completely turned philosophy of science on it's head and had tremendous impact on how science itself was viewed (he postulated that scientific progress was not really a gradual building of knowledge over time, but rather a series of paradigm shifts, such as the shift from flat earth to round, newtonian to einsteinian, etc.). I saw a lecture by Dr. Kuhn in which he tried to backpedal, saying that really, the implications of his text were much more mundane. But what had happened was that his text actually created the conditions for a paradigm shift in the way that people understood how knowledge worked, a paradigm shift that he himself was unwilling to accept. So in this case, I'd say that Kuhn's intent was important but not defining. I think that that is the case generally, though in most cases the disjunct between the author's intent and how people view the work is much less obvious. > > > I do think that all music has as part of it's > > character an aspect that is political, and is making a political > > statement > > if we are interested in hearing it. > > How confident are you about this: do you think you can get any sequence > of musical notes and derive a political statement from it? Or would > doing so in at least some cases constitute just imagination at play? "any sequence of musical notes" is not music. for something to be music, it needs to have been composed (by someone, who exists in a particular cultural context), it needs to have been performed (again, by someone, in some particular cultural context). there's recording, subsequent performances (and to which audience?), there's the audience's reaction, other people's reaction. in many cases, the political statement of a piece of music is trivial and uninteresting. doesn't mean it isn't there. but take happy's song "the chosen one" - do you think that the song is meaningful outside of the whole history of what it means to be a woman in the western world? outside of a world in which beauty and fashion magazines vie for shelf space with bridal magazines? it's not a song about politics, by any means, but there's a political aspect of the story lying under the surface. brni > > Yours, > > Bowen > - -- brni i don't want the world, i just want your half. www.livejournal.com/~brni ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 11:57:07 -0400 From: robert bristow-johnson Subject: Re: Ecto introductory music on 04/28/2005 10:47, Bernie Mojzes at brni@kappamaki.com wrote: > what are people's thoughts on using "mix tapes" - or rather, disks - > instead of some album by a single artist? i've made a couple of my own "sampler" CDs. once in a while, i've given one or two to friends or family to try to sell them on ecto culture. of course, i wouldn't want to get persecuted for violating copyright laws. - -- r b-j rbj@audioimagination.com "Imagination is more important than knowledge." ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 13:04:31 -0400 From: gordodo@optonline.net Subject: Re: judging art "The BBC Symphony Orchestra gave a performance of composer John Cage's seminal piece 4'33", which does not contain a single note." http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/music/3401901.stm is it music? is it philosophy? is it art? does it matter? it is art if it makes one think...the best museums I have been to must have things that fall into three categories: things I love, things I hate, and things I just dont get - and that the categories may not include the same works of art for all people. there is beauty in the subjectivity. and thats the beauty of ecto. there is no right way to be ecto. there is no wrong way to be ecto. i can own more cd's by ace of base (1) than kate bush (0) and that doesnt make me any more or less ecto than anyone else. i really want to like diamanda galas but i cannot stand to listen to her art - but that shouldnt detract from its artistic value - like vickie's servers, we all have limited bandwidth to view and experience the world...I just want to fill it with the art that suits me best... guess it is time to order Veda's new album :) :) :) jason np Stygian Veil > "any sequence of musical notes" is not music. > > for something to be music, it needs to have been composed (by > someone, who > exists in a particular cultural context), it needs to have been > performed(again, by someone, in some particular cultural context). > there's > recording, subsequent performances (and to which audience?), > there's the > audience's reaction, other people's reaction. > > in many cases, the political statement of a piece of music is > trivial and uninteresting. doesn't mean it isn't there. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 16:56:24 -0400 (EDT) From: Bernie Mojzes Subject: Re: judging art On Tue, 26 Apr 2005, Bowen Simmons wrote: > On Apr 26, 2005, at 2:06 PM, Bernie Mojzes wrote: > > > > You mentioned earlier that you had a theory of art. > > I don't think I said anything of the kind. I mentioned a theory of art > and said that I did not subscribe to it. That is a very different thing > than claiming to have a theory of art yourself. I'm sorry if you were > misled into thinking I had a theory of art to propose; I have thoughts This is true. I misread your statement. You neither stated nor implied this. > and ideas on the subject, but they wholly lack the coherence to be > considered a theory of art. I would be interested in hearing your incoherent ideas. *grin* > >> This is not the relativist talking; from a relativist perspective, his > >> criteria for judging Chick Corea are no less valid than your own. > >> Within relativism, there is no "right" or "wrong" way to do it: > >> relativism applied thusly leaves us all absolute monarchs of our own > >> islands, but each of us alone. > > > > I'll need to disagree with you here. There are (of course) different > > conceptions of relativism. I would claim that there is no absolute > > "right" interpretation or way to judge the merit of a work of art, > > based > > on some objectively knowable properties of the artwork. There can, in > > fact, be multiple good interpretations and multiple valid judgements. > > This sounds more like perspectivism than relativism. But I won't > quibble about names, and given that I am quite sympathetic to the > perspectivist view, this is not a point with which I would argue. When I think of the term "perspectivist," I think of Hermeneutics and Phenomenology. The idea there is that we can't get a wholly objective view of any thing, only perspectives of that thing. But the thought is that by getting as many perspectives as we can, we can sort of triangulate in on what that thing is. The action there is to gather perspectives and analyse them to determine what is essential and what is extraneous, and then discard the extraneous. With enough perspectives we can pretty much hone in on the truth of a thing. That's not really the way I think of this stuff. Yes, we only have perspectives of a thing (in this case a song). But we also bring to our experience of the song our own life history, our own wisdom and prejudices, and the wisdom and prejudices of the culture within which we operate. We also bring to our experience of the song any knowledge of the subject that we have, or any knowledge we have of the artist and the conditions within which the song was created. The truth and the value of the song for me is the story (or stories) that I can tell about the song that are justifiable within the internal constraints generated by the text of the song and the available information. I don't think you can justify an interpretation of Tori Amos' song "Me and a Gun" that says it's about the wreck of the Edmund Fitzgerald. But the song can^H^H^Hwill mean different things to a person who has been raped than to a person who has not. And that meaning will be specific to that person's lived experience. The truth and value of the the same song for you will be different than it is for me. But by exchanging stories about the song, we may both end up changing our stories, and that becomes the new truth and value of the song for each of us (still different for both of us). > >>> I also hold that every work of art is a political statement, > >>> regardless of > >>> the intention of the artist. > >> > >> Everything can look like a nail to a man with a hammer. > > > > I've heard that said, but I doubt it's truth. It seems unlikely that a > > man with a hammer would say that a pancake or a waterfall looks like a > > nail. > > > > Regardless, I'm not sure what you are trying to say with your metaphor. > > It is a variant on an old saying. I think the original goes "Everything > looks like a nail to a man who just bought a hammer". What is has to do > with is whether your interest in politics causes you to fail to > understand music: music can be used for political ends, therefore it is > political; a chair can be used to build a fire, therefore it is > firewood. One of the nice things about being adaptable is that we can figure out ways to use things that go beyond the intentions of those who originally designed them. I once fixed my car with a safety pin. That doesn't mean that the car looked like a diaper to me. It meant that the safety pin was the only tool available, and I was able to use it to scrape off corrosion from my battery and strip a wire so I could reconnect the battery to the alternator. So the car is still a car, and the safety pin is still a safety pin, but I've expanded the story of what a safety pin is for. If I find myself compelled to use a chair for firewood, (or if I say that a chair can be used for firewood), does that mean that I don't understand chairs? Also, there is a difference between "all art is political" and "music can be used for political ends." I don't think that all music can be used for political ends, but I do think that all music has as part of it's character an aspect that is political, and is making a political statement if we are interested in hearing it. I don't think that being willing to incorporate that aspect into our understanding of the song causes us to misunderstand the song. It just adds one more dimension to an already complex entity, and can make it's story more interesting. > > Yours, > > Bowen > - -- brni i don't want the world, i just want your half. www.livejournal.com/~brni ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 14:29:30 -0700 (PDT) From: "Xenu's Sister" Subject: Any web stats geeks around? (access logs) Indy has started using Coral to help take the load off of artist's web sites. That means my usual stats* won't be accurate, so I looked in the access logs and I see that I can, somewhat, keep track of which songs are being downloaded. The problem is that the access logs are a nightmare to look at. I did Select All and pasted the results into Ultra Edit. I played around with making macros to separate the lines so I could clearly see "Get"s. Man that's tedious. How do people keep track of this stuff? Is there an easy way for this techno-moron to try and do it? Here's what I came up with, after adding macros to add

s and 

s so it didn't all come out as one insanely long line in
html (this is a big file!):

http://happyrhodes.org/indy/stats_accesslog.html


*these is a screenshot of the kinds of stats I had been looking
at:
http://happyrhodes.org/indy/stats4-25-05_upload2.jpg

(Yes, btw, there are 2 directories, Indy and indy. I submitted
the songs in one filename format, which looked bad in the Indy
player window, so I renamed them and submitted some of them
again. I had meant to go back and delete the first directory,
then Ian said he'd deleted the older Happy URLS from the
database, so I didn't think it was necessary. I guess no one got
around to it though, because songs from both directories are
still being downloaded.)


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These is an ectophile who didn't check for typos. sheesh.

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Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 00:58:20 +0300
From: Markku Kolkka 
Subject: Re: Any web stats geeks around? (access logs)

Xenu's Sister kirjoitti viestissddn (ldhetysaika perjantai, 29. 
huhtikuuta 2005 00:36):
> --- Xenu's Sister  wrote:
> Also, what's a /favicon.ico?

A small icon displayed on the Bookmarks/Favorites menu or in the 
address bar. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Favicon

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Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 18:00:41 -0400 (EDT)
From: minemeno@antithetical.org
Subject: webstats geek at your service!

Vickie:
>>
- --- Xenu's Sister  wrote:
> *these is a screenshot

These is an ectophile who didn't check for typos. sheesh.

Also, what's a /favicon.ico?
<<

Those little icons that show up alongside bookmarks and in tabs (first in
IE;  recently embraced by real browsers)

A client of mine recently dug up this, which runs offline ("light" 
version is free):
http://www.weblogexpert.com/

Dunno what your server environment is like, but you don't need much to 
install awstats:
http://awstats.sourceforge.net/docs/awstats_setup.html




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Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 17:02:35 -0500
From: Josh Burnett 
Subject: Re: Any web stats geeks around? (access logs)

On Apr 28, 2005, at 4:36 PM, Xenu's Sister wrote:

> --- Xenu's Sister  wrote:
>> *these is a screenshot
>
> These is an ectophile who didn't check for typos. sheesh.
>
> Also, what's a /favicon.ico?

Some websites have a small image that displays in the browser next to 
the URL - like Craigslist has a peace sign, the New York Times has a 
stylized T, and so on. Those are favicons.

josh.

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Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 15:03:08 -0700
From: Steve VanDevender 
Subject: Re: Any web stats geeks around? (access logs)

Xenu's Sister writes:
 > --- Xenu's Sister  wrote:
 > > *these is a screenshot 
 > 
 > These is an ectophile who didn't check for typos. sheesh.
 > 
 > Also, what's a /favicon.ico?

It's a file for a website-speific icon that can appear next to the
site's URL in certain browsers.  I think that one is mostly specific to
Internet Exploder.

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