From: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org (ecto-digest) To: ecto-digest@smoe.org Subject: ecto-digest V11 #113 Reply-To: ecto@smoe.org Sender: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk ecto-digest Monday, April 25 2005 Volume 11 : Number 113 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Today's your birthday, friend... [Mike Matthews ] Yay, more Ectophiles on Indy: brunatex! ["Xenu's Sister" ] find me sampler [Bernie Mojzes ] ecto.org vs. smoe.org? [neal copperman ] Re: Possession (was Grossly Mis-Used Songs) [Greg Bossert ] Re: Years of music ["Xenu's Sister" ] Back to London [Kristeen Young ] Re: Years of music [neal copperman ] Re: Possession (was Grossly Mis-Used Songs) [Bernie Mojzes ] Re: Years of music [Bowen Simmons ] Re: Possession (was Grossly Mis-Used Songs) [Josh Burnett ] Re: More about Indy ["Xenu's Sister" ] Re: More about Indy ["Xenu's Sister" ] A Happy deluge ["Xenu's Sister" ] Re: Possession (was Grossly Mis-Used Songs) [brian@mooman.com] RE: More about Indy [Jason Gordon ] RE: More about Indy ["Xenu's Sister" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2005 03:00:02 -0400 (EDT) From: Mike Matthews Subject: Today's your birthday, friend... i*i*i*i*i*i i*i*i*i*i*i *************** *****HAPPY********* **************BIRTHDAY********* *************************************************** *************************************************************************** ******************* Christine Waite (no Email address) ******************** *************************************************************************** -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- - -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Christine Waite Tue April 25 1972 Taurus Matt Adams Thu April 26 1962 Taurus Brad Hutchinson Tue April 28 1964 What sign? Geoff Parks Sun April 30 1961 Taurus Marty Lash Sat May 01 1948 Taurus Barney Parker Fri May 02 1986 happy cat Gray Abbott Tue May 03 1955 Suprised Tamar Boursalian Tue May 03 1966 Taurus Richard A. Holmes May 07 Taurus Steve Ito Fri May 08 1970 DA Bull... Brian Gregory Thu May 09 1963 Eclectic Catherine Sundnes Sat May 09 1970 Very Catzy Heidi Maier Wed May 10 1978 Taurus Patrick Varker Wed May 12 1954 Torius Philip David Morgan Sat May 12 1962 Chinese Tiger in Bull Clothing Steve Fagg Tue May 13 1958 Nightwol Karel Zuiderveld Fri May 13 1960 Stier Michael Colford Wed May 16 1962 Taurus Christopher Boek Tue May 19 1970 Taurus Julia Macklin Mon May 20 1968 ethereus Yngve Hauge Fri May 21 1971 Gemini Lisa Laane Tue May 22 1973 Gemini Jewel Kilcher Thu May 23 1974 The Gem - -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2005 01:43:38 -0700 (PDT) From: "Xenu's Sister" Subject: Yay, more Ectophiles on Indy: brunatex! I couldn't sleep so I uninstalled and reinstalled Indy (I saved all my 3, 4 and 5 star songs into a different directory first, in case they all got deleted) and it seems to be working. Two songs in the first batch it downloaded to me were by brunatex! Very cool. I heard Lonely Highway and Sparr from Stars & Splinters. Of course I rated both songs 5 stars :) Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2005 01:53:36 -0700 (PDT) From: "Xenu's Sister" Subject: Re: Yay, more Ectophiles on Indy: brunatex! - --- Xenu's Sister wrote: > I heard Lonely Highway and Sparr from Stars & Splinters. > Of course I rated both songs 5 stars :) In case you're keeping track Jonathan, I heard Sparr first, then Lonely Highway. Ooh, Feed the Fire is playing now! Vickie Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2005 11:47:21 +1000 From: andrew fries Subject: Re: More about Indy Xenu's Sister wrote: > Here's what it's about. Indy isn't an mp3 player as such. > It's like a search engine, but instead of finding web > pages that someone's submitted to the search engine, and > displaying them, it finds mp3s that have been submitted, > and plays them. Hmmm. Unfortunately, Indy is a system that requires downloading their own application. Naturally it is for Windows only, so that's that for me. But even if there were versions for other platforms I would still be sceptical. First, I don't like the idea of another networking application on my system, doing God knows what - I'd rather if the system just worked with a standard web browser and mp3 player of my choice. Second, I am in principle oposed to the systems that claim to predict what I will like. It seems to me that any such system will either not work, or if it works too well it will ensure I'll never learn anything new! Sorry to be so sceptical. Naturally it is good that Happy gets any kind of exposure. I might not use this, but there are certainly enough Windows users out there who might. Actually when I saw the headline "Happy on Indy", my first thought was "Happy got herself a SGI workstation?!?" :) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2005 12:50:39 -0400 (EDT) From: Bernie Mojzes Subject: find me sampler hello all, due to some confusion, it turns out that i have one last copy of the sampler for distribution. drop me a note if'n you want an official hard copy. - -- brni i don't want the world, i just want your half. www.livejournal.com/~brni ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2005 12:13:44 -0600 From: neal copperman Subject: ecto.org vs. smoe.org? Is ecto@ecto.org and ecto@smoe.org the same? I'm curious because Vickie's recent posts have been to ecto.org, which is not on my whitelist and goes into a suspect folder. Pretty much everything else goes through smoe. I mention only because losing things in spam folders is pretty common these days and it can easily be happening to others too. neal np: The Devil Makes 3 sampler ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2005 10:51:14 -0700 From: Greg Bossert Subject: Re: Possession (was Grossly Mis-Used Songs) just to prove the point, the lyrics to Possession work amazingly well from the viewpoint of a vampire. seriously, just give it a try -- it works almost perfectly: "the night is my companion" "kiss you so hard i'll take your breath away" "my body aches to breathe your breath" "it's morning that i dread" etc. etc. that may not be a coincidence -- it's not a big leap from stalker to fiend... but fundamentally, good poetry tends to be evocative, and to make sense at more than one level of interpretation... On Apr 24, 2005, at 7:06 PM, Doug wrote: > I know the history of the song, but frankly, remove one line and > you've got yourself a beautiful love ballad. And it's quite easy for > people to conveniently ignore/twist the meaning of one line. Perhaps > that's misusing the song, I dunno. ;-) > >> Sarah's song was clearly about a stalker, who even sued her after the - -g - -- greg bossert -- bossert@iceblink.com -- Ice Blink Studios -- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2005 11:27:09 -0700 From: Bowen Simmons Subject: Years of music One of the interesting things about ripping all your music to digital files is that you can then analyze the results. There are lots of ways to do it, but here's one I found interesting: looking at my collection by 5-year intervals (which I'll call pentades, for lack of a better term). Here are the results and some comments (it has a much higher autobiographical content than I had originally intended, but there it is): pre-1960: NA I have some pre-1960 music, but so little as to not be worth mentioning. This is because I was too young (I was born in 1959) to have any sense of what was going on at the time, and I'm not nearly the musical historian to know what to look for. I really should fill this in, but there is so much current music that I want but haven't bought that I just don't seem to ever find the time to do the research to figure out what to buy. 1960-1965: 23 songs, 6 artists Still a period of general ignorance for me. Only 6 different artists (such as The Beatles, Roy Orbison, and The Who) are famous enough to penetrate my general veil of ignorance of the period and enough to my liking for me to have picked up their albums. Only the Beatles were sufficiently famous for me to be aware of them as a little kid; the other artists are back-filled from later years. 1966-1970: 448 songs, 9 artists The selection of artists is still really small and still consists solely of big acts (Jefferson Airplane, The Byrds, Simon & Garfunkel, etc.). These are artists that I bought for the first time on vinyl in the seventies and then re-purchased years later on CD. An interesting thing about the music from this period is that some of it I never replaced or even replaced only to later get rid of simply because I had listened to it so many times I just couldn't work up any enthusiasm for it any more. This happened to Jimi Hendryx, for example. 1971-1975: 190 songs, 8 artists Although this represents the period when I first really started to become aware of music, the amont of music and selection of artists from this period is even smaller than the one before. Here the problem isn't really so much ignorance as the fact that I disliked (and still dislike) so much of the music of this period; there was more good music made then than I gave credit for at the time, but there was so little of it that the effect was that I went into a musical coma for more than 10 years. 1976-1980: 724 songs, 23 artists This is almost all back-filled from much later. Blondie was the significant only artist represented here (excluding hold-overs from previous pentade) that I was actually aware of and liked at the time. The variety of artists represented is large compared to previous pentades - actually over twice as large as the previous pentades put together (the variety from those years is less than it appears due to duplicates). Music had begun to change in ways that I would really like - - but I was still in my musical coma and was unaware of it at the time. 1981-1985: 1451 songs, 66 artists From 1981 to 1984 I bought very little music. I had gone through my college pretty much ignoring the music I heard. After college I started to work in software in the Washington D.C. area and found I liked listening to music while I worked, although I attended to it very little. My small record collection had been burglarized (what a blessing in disguise!) so I started listening to the radio. Between their commercials and exasperating DJ's I found most radio stations unbearable, but WHFS (still a good radio station in those days) was acceptable and so I listened to it while I worked. The effect of this was at first not really noticeable. I bought no music at the time (CD's were coming out and I had decided to wait for them to re-build my music collection, which at the time I thought of as replacing my old records - - buying new music scarcely entered into my thoughts) and knew the names of none of the artists I heard. I remember well when it all changed - the dam of my apathy was weakened by this constant exposure to new music, but it was still there. I remember very well what caused the dam to burst: it was hearing Kate's "Running up that Hill" and thinking "WHAT WAS THAT?" That song changed everything (there were other great songs that might have done as well, but that song was not only great but was great in the right way at the right time). Suddenly I was taking down the names of artists, making regular trips to record stores and scavanging CD bins, and buying music guides to back-fill the collections of artists that I like. 1986-1990: 2965 songs, 185 artists Apart from 1971-1975, this is the first pentade in which most of the music I bought was bought while it was new. I started going to concerts for the first time in my life, and music had become my main form of recreation. The big names for me at that time were Kate Bush (natch), 10,000 Maniacs, Everything but the Girl, and Siouxsie and the Banshees, but there were lots of other artists right below them. It turned out that when I awoke from my musical coma I had become an ectophile (though I had no word for it at the time). For locating new artists I was highly dependent on WHFS, although the old MTV show "120 Minutes" was also useful. 1991-1995: 3111 songs, 166 artists I had moved from Washington, and now started trying to find new artists by scavanging used CD stores and picking up CD's based solely on the cover - a time consuming and hit-or-miss method if there ever was one. My interest in music remained very high through this period, but really it could go nowhere but down. If I wasn't working I was probably looking for or listening to music; anything new in my life was bound to cut into it, and indeed at the end of this pentade, something did - I got married. With regard to what I was listening to, there was a lot of great music in this period, but Jane Siberry's "When I Was a Boy" remains for me the standout album of that pentade. There was considerable turnover in my pantheon: Kate was still great when she would record, but 10,000 Maniacs had declined and were gone, I wasn't enthusiastic about the direction EBTG was heading in, and Siouxsie & the Banshees released their last album in '95 - fortunately Jane Siberry moved up to the top rank after "When I Was a Boy" (what a great, great album!) and I became much more of a Cure fan after "Disintegration" (although they've done nothing as good since), and Sarah McLachlan really grabbed me starting with "Fumbling Towards Ecstacy". 1996-2000: 2338 songs, 134 artists In the wake of my marriage and later starting a family, the decline in my music buying from this period is much steeper than it appears here (backfilling accounts for much of it). In fact, by 2000 I had nearly stopped buying music. The acoustic space in my house had gone from being a personal to a shared space that was seldom available for music, and I had many other demands on my time outside of work, like changing diapers, and I had neither time nor resources for researching new artists. 2001-2005: 1359 songs, 94 artists If I had made this table a year ago, this pentade would have been almost empty. Almost all of the music in it was bought in the last year. What's more, in spite of prodigious buying, my music wish list keeps going up (there are over 200 albums on it at present). So what happened in the last year? (1) I bought a 40gig iPod (still not big enough!) and now can listen almost everywhere I go (now that I have finally learned to enjoy listening with headphones), and (2) my discover of the Ectophiles' Guide on the internet, a guide so close to my own taste that it's scary. Now that I can find artists there, download (usually) samples over the net, and then purchase and play their songs on my iPod no matter where I am, I'm in musical heaven, and who needs radio anyway? I remember reading an article about the erosion that iPods and other music players were having on radio ratings: an industry spokesman replied that it was certainly a problem, but that radio still had the edge in that it could introduce new artists to people. I almost gagged: I can find more really good music in an hour with the Ectophile Guide and related resources than I could in listening to almost any radio station twenty-four hours a day for a month (assuming of course I could stand it, which I can't). Summary So anyway, I'm sorry if I bored people with too much autobiographical detail, but thank-you the folks who put together the guide and everyone on this list who has ever contributed content to it! I'm going through a musical second Spring because of you and I'm enjoying every moment of it! I hadn't intended this note to be a thank-you letter when I started it, but the logic of the situation makes it an inevitable conclusion. Yours, Bowen ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2005 12:01:54 -0700 (PDT) From: "Xenu's Sister" Subject: Re: Years of music (I figured out what happened. After years of manually typing in ecto's address, I finally made an Address Book entry, something I said I'd never do. So what do I do? I not only use the dreaded Address Book, I put the wrong frickin' address into it too. Those posts were the result of just typing an "e" and clicking at what came up, not paying attention to the fact that it was ecto.org. This overly long explanation brought to you by peanut butter and Nutella." - --- Bowen Simmons wrote: A *GREAT* post that wasn't boring at all. Thank you. Have you heard Happy yet? :) Vickie Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2005 08:18:12 -0400 From: Kristeen Young Subject: Back to London Hello, We loved London so much, we thought we'd do it all over again...... (we like to do it.) Please check www.kristeenyoung.com throughout May for more and final show dates and times. 2nd May The Marquee 1 Leicester Square London W1 8pm stage time (30 min slot) Tube: Leicester Square 3rd or 9th May (date & time tbc) 12 Bar Club 22-23 Denmark Place Denmark Street London WC2 Tube: Tottenham Court Road 10th May (time tbc) Heavenly Social 5 Little Portland Street London W1 Stage time: 9pm Tube: Oxford Circus 15th May (time tbc) Nambucca 596 Holloway Road London N7 Stage time : TBC Tube: Holloway Road 18th & 23rd May (Date and time tbc) Betsy Trottwood 56 Farringdon Road London EC1 Stage Time : TBC Tube: Farringdon 20th May Marathon Kebab shop Chalk Farm Road London NW1 Show Time : 10pm (approx) Tube : Chalk Farm 23rd May  see above 26th May The Underworld  TBC 174 Camden High Street London NW1 Stage Time : TBC Tube : Camden ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2005 13:07:20 -0600 From: neal copperman Subject: Re: Years of music At 11:27 AM -0700 4/25/05, Bowen Simmons wrote: >So anyway, I'm sorry if I bored people with too much >autobiographical detail, but thank-you the folks who put together >the guide and everyone on this list who has ever contributed content >to it! I'm going through a musical second Spring because of you and >I'm enjoying every moment of it! I hadn't intended this note to be a >thank-you letter when I started it, but the logic of the situation >makes it an inevitable conclusion. What I liked most about this summary was that it flew in the face of the standard trends in music buying that I've seen. (Ectophiles tend to violate the trends to some degrees anyway, as this is a list of music fans.) By and large, it seems like most people's musical tastes were forged in college and mostly froze and declined from about 5 years out. It makes sense, for reasons Bowen mentioned in his own self-analysis, but it still seems strange to me that so many people can be happy without a fresh supply or music (or happy with the small amount of new music they encounter via the radio). neal ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2005 15:21:08 -0400 (EDT) From: Bernie Mojzes Subject: Re: Possession (was Grossly Mis-Used Songs) On Mon, 25 Apr 2005, Greg Bossert wrote: > etc. etc. that may not be a coincidence -- it's not a big leap from > stalker to fiend... it's an even smaller step between the patient and dedicated lover who perseveres against all obstacles to finally win her or his one true love's heart (you know, the eternal protagonist of liturature, film and art) and the stalker. i think the most brilliant thing about this song is how closely she brings these two characters into focus, showing how from the stalker's perspective *he* is the protagonist who will one day win his true love's heart. all the things that make the heroic lover admirable - his dogged persistence against all obstacles, his dedication, patience, and his all-consuming love - are the exact same things that make the stalker a fiend. - -- brni i don't want the world, i just want your half. www.livejournal.com/~brni ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2005 12:22:49 -0700 (PDT) From: "Xenu's Sister" Subject: Re: Jeff Buckley as sound track for NBC Dateline w/ Stone Philips - --- Russ Van Rooy wrote: > Some smart kids in the NBC tape room used snippets > of Jeff Buckley's Grace, including the eerie, > moaning, beginning part of Mojo Pin and The Last > oodbye while voice over talked of murder and mayhem > in Las Vegas in the come-on for this typical slick, > "if it bleeds, it leads" info-tainment show. After > filing this report, your reporter promptly killed his > television set ! But seriously, in the continuing > conversation (and irony) about great and beloved music > showing up on television shows of dubious value, one > can just see some cat-eye bespecled hipster intern at > NBC going "whoa, I just scored some big cred points > today....". I can just picture it. At least they've got good taste. > Hopefully , the allegedly mercenary Ms. Buckley ( Jeff's > mom and executrix ) made a little money tonight Is she still cracking down on ebayers and tape traders? I haven't kept up with the fandom, but I used to be part of it, if mostly lurking. I only saw Jeff in concert once (the Chicago show that was turned into a DVD) and I'll never get over the fact that I missed seeing several small shows he did here in Chicago. He played 2 nights (I think 2) at a smoky little club called the Green Mill. My friend went and said no one hung around to talk to Jeff. He got to spend some quality time with Jeff both nights. I didn't know about Jeff then. I've never quite forgiven Charley for not bringing the CD over and forcing me to listen to the first song, after which I would have been enthralled, and I would have been right there with Charley at the Green Mill. And I would have given Jeff a Happy CD, so he would have known her music before he went to see her show... Who told me that? John? That Jeff Buckley was at the Tinker Street Cafe show where the live cuts on the Left Hand Demos were recorded...? Jeff sat outside. He should have been inside. He would have been inside if he'd known her before that night, I'm convinced of it. The sound was terrible outside. Damn. I want Happy to perform "Hallelujah." Vickie Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2005 12:44:01 -0700 From: "JC Kammerzell" Subject: RE: Possession (was Grossly Mis-Used Songs) This has been an interesting discussion in our midst... Am I alone in finding FTE to be Sarah's best album? I've tried several of the others, and keep coming back to that one as my favorite. Same with Tori's Little Earthquakes. I remember once putting together a music CD and only putting my favorite songs from FTE on it, leaving out the other half, and remember listening to it later, realizing that even with the songs I did not care for, the phrasing and rhythm of the original album, worked better as a whole. One point on these both - these were kind of the "premiere" or "famous making" albums for them both. I recently heard two authors interviewed on Air America (Al Franken's new liberal radio station) about a book they had written, discussing how brilliant the counter culture consumer market was designed, for as soon as a new indie artist crested, they became "uncool" to the indie fans, who then went looking for new artists, to enjoy until they became famous, only to abandon them at that point. I've wondered at my own hypocrisy in that. Julie Christina aka Bubba - -----Original Message----- From: owner-ecto@smoe.org [mailto:owner-ecto@smoe.org]On Behalf Of Bernie Mojzes Sent: Monday, April 25, 2005 12:21 PM To: Greg Bossert Cc: ecto@smoe.org Subject: Re: Possession (was Grossly Mis-Used Songs) On Mon, 25 Apr 2005, Greg Bossert wrote: > etc. etc. that may not be a coincidence -- it's not a big leap from > stalker to fiend... it's an even smaller step between the patient and dedicated lover who perseveres against all obstacles to finally win her or his one true love's heart (you know, the eternal protagonist of liturature, film and art) and the stalker. i think the most brilliant thing about this song is how closely she brings these two characters into focus, showing how from the stalker's perspective *he* is the protagonist who will one day win his true love's heart. all the things that make the heroic lover admirable - his dogged persistence against all obstacles, his dedication, patience, and his all-consuming love - are the exact same things that make the stalker a fiend. - -- brni i don't want the world, i just want your half. www.livejournal.com/~brni ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2005 13:35:17 -0700 From: Greg Bossert Subject: Re: Possession (was Grossly Mis-Used Songs) On Apr 25, 2005, at 12:44 PM, JC Kammerzell wrote: > Am I alone in finding FTE to be Sarah's best album? nope. :-) - -g ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2005 14:06:35 -0700 From: Bowen Simmons Subject: Re: Years of music On Apr 25, 2005, at 12:07 PM, neal copperman wrote: > > By and large, it seems like most people's musical tastes were forged > in college and mostly froze and declined from about 5 years out. It > makes sense, for reasons Bowen mentioned in his own self-analysis, but > it still seems strange to me that so many people can be happy without > a fresh supply or music (or happy with the small amount of new music > they encounter via the radio). > Radio, Radio Here are some thoughts (no doubt half-baked) on the subject: When people start listening to music, their tastes are pretty undeveloped: they like music that is very accessible, and there is a lot of music that is, if not really liked, is at least acceptable to them. This is a pretty good fit for the radio as it exists, which is also a good fit in that radio is free and the young generally don't have much money. As people listen more and grow older, their tastes start to sharpen, and they actively dislike more and more music, which can include some of the very accessible music that they once enjoyed. Anyway, once this starts to happen, listening to the radio becomes more and more difficult. Between commercials, talk, heavy repetition, and songs they dislike (the heavy of repetition OF songs they dislike is a particularly unpleasant combination), radio listening tends to become something they do in the car to fight boredom, and even then they flip stations, looking for a song they like (which pretty much means one they've heard before - it is pretty hard to judge a new song in the few seconds you give a station while flipping between them). Once cut off from the radio, however, how do people find new music? Typically they don't, and listen to their cd's instead, but repetition gradually kills the interest in those, and at the end what you have are people who don't much like music (although actually, and this is a critical distinction, what you have are people THINK they don't much like music - their real potential on this subject is completely unknown - - and on this I speak from personal experience). What's more, I don't think that the music fan in the sense that the people in this list mean it, are people that the music industry wants to produce, even though they individually buy huge quantities of music a year. What the music industry wants isn't one person who will buy a hundred different albums, what it wants are one hundred people who will buy the same album. All the economies of scale press them to it. The existence of music fans (again in the sense of this list) is an unintended and pretty much unwanted by-product (I'm tempted to say waste-product, from their perspective) of the industry's activities. Of course to artists trying to build a career, music fans in the sense we mean it here are the difference between life and death, but those artists are themselves just the ore the record industry processes to extract the precious metal it craves - multi-platinum albums. If it all sounds gloomy, there is good news: the record industry has not yet succeeded in figuring how to produce its multi-platinum albums without inadvertently producing many other albums that are actually worth buying and listening to along the way, and they've tried mightily to figure out how to do so. The rise of internet music distribution (legal and illegal) may also break the whole radio-induced pattern of how people's musical tastes rise and fall. Who knows, the rising generation may produce many more real music fans than the one before and maybe the whole rotten music industry system will come tumbling down. Here's hoping anyway. Yours, Bowen ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2005 14:08:53 -0700 From: Bowen Simmons Subject: Re: Years of music Happy was recommended to me by a friend in Dallas about ten years ago. I picked up several of her albums immediately, and liked them very much, but wasn't able to find the rest. In my new run at buying music, I've picked up the remainder from her website. In fact, by pure chance, Happy is playing while I'm typing this note. Yours, Bowen > > Have you heard Happy yet? :) > > Vickie > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2005 15:29:28 -0500 From: Josh Burnett Subject: Re: Possession (was Grossly Mis-Used Songs) On Apr 25, 2005, at 2:44 PM, JC Kammerzell wrote: > Am I alone in finding FTE to be Sarah's best album? I've tried several > of > the others, and keep coming back to that one as my favorite. Same with > Tori's Little Earthquakes. No, you're not. FTE seems to be the consensus choice for her best album. For me, though, it's a toss-up between FTE and Solace. josh. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2005 14:52:30 -0700 (PDT) From: "Xenu's Sister" Subject: Re: More about Indy (ecto post) - --- andrew fries wrote: > First, I don't like the idea of another networking > application on my system, doing God knows what - I do trust the people who are building it, but I do understand how a person could be wary. It is kinda creepy when you have the "Unrated" folder open and the Indy player open, and you see with your own eyes a song disappear from the Unrated folder to whatever rating folder you gave the song. Their program is manipulating my computer in a way I've never seen before. Yes, I understand. But I trust them because of their history. (I myself had to Google Ian Clarke). I'd be a lot more wary if it were someone out of the blue. > I'd rather if the system just worked with a standard > web browser and mp3 player of my choice. Someone suggested that there be a plug-in for Winamp (which is what I use) and I'd use that in a second. > Second, I am in principle oposed to the systems that > claim to predict what I will like. It seems to me that > any such system will either not work, or if it works too > well it will ensure I'll never learn anything new! I've come across several artists I've never heard of, and one of them is right here in Chicago, the Andreas Kapsalas Trio. It's a mishmash of Greek and gypsy and other things. I want to go see them live now. And it's a guy! That's almost unheard of for me, nowadays. Of course, the two tracks I've heard are instrumentals. I went to this person's web page and they had had an accident almost exactly like Happy's. He had to learn a new way to play guitar. So the program is not giving me exactly what I want, which is good, sometimes. > Sorry to be so sceptical. Naturally it is good that > Happy gets any kind of exposure. I might not use this, > but there are certainly enough Windows users out there > who might. I hear that little Macish tinge in your voice. :) A Mac version is coming, whether you use it or not. They're not leaving Mac users by the wayside. The Windows version is 0.1. They need time. This is why I'm so excited about Indy: I checked the stats of happyrhodes.org earlier this morning and again just a little while ago. I just put Happy's songs up yesterday. In that time... (The first number is what I sent Happy this morning in an email. The second number is what it is at this moment) 111/148 people have heard The Flight 75/86 people have heard Proof 74/85 people have heard Roy remix 68/96 people have heard Ecto 66/91 people have heard Omar 63/100 people have heard Words Weren't Made For Cowards 54/90 people have heard I Say 48/78 people have heard Feed The Fire 38/86 people have heard the Echoes Temporary and Eternal 20/43 people have heard the Glory radio mix 18/19 people have heard Big Dreams Big Life 14/45 people have heard Winter 13/17 people have heard 100 Years Plus (these songs weren't listed this morning, I guess they hadn't gotten into rotation yet, so this is just from today): 91 people have heard Tragic 41 people have heard Feed The Fire (Acoustic Tribute) 60 people have heard Summer 35 people have heard The Chariot 40 people have heard Possessed 31 people have heard Look For The Child (Acoustic) 26 people have heard Save Our Souls (Acoustic) 25 people have heard In Hiding (Acoustic) 25 people have heard Mother Sea 24 people have heard Flash Me Up 23 people have heard When The Rain Came Down 22 people have heard Phobos 21 people have heard Off From Out From Under Me and so on. The least heard song so far is How It Should Be, heard by 1 person. That's 1 person more than had heard the song yesterday. Since Indy only plays an artist once per listener, and since the song is on the listener's hard drive (meaning they don't have to access it again via happyrhodes.org) this is not a case of someone listening to the same song over and over again. These are all individual listeners, and that's more listeners than Happy had listening to her songs yesterday morning. Of course, I don't know what everyone might have rated the songs, but the Indy developer Ian Clarke just sent me an email out of the blue to tell me that "Tragic" is the 9th highest- rated song in their database. This is good. V (listening to Look For The Child (Acoustic) on Indy) Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2005 15:05:07 -0700 (PDT) From: "Xenu's Sister" Subject: Re: More about Indy - --- Xenu's Sister wrote: I said: > Since Indy only plays an artist once per listener, I meant to say only plays a song once per listener. Once you hear a song and rate it, you'll never hear that song again. So, many people, like me, are hearing multiple songs by Happy. (However, I've uninstalled and reinstalled a few times. That probably wipes out my previous ratings and so she's played for me again) V (np: I Say on Indy) Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2005 15:23:35 -0700 (PDT) From: "Xenu's Sister" Subject: A Happy deluge Seriously, I just turned Indy on a while ago and it's raining Happy. I just heard I Say, then The Chariot, now Save Our Souls (Acoustic) and in the UnRated folder waiting to play are Feed The Fire (tribute) and Oh The Drears. I don't know what's going on, but I'm loving it. V This is a signature. It's a friendly signature. But it doesn't like seeing SPAM next to its owner's name. Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2005 15:10:30 -0700 From: brian@mooman.com Subject: Re: Possession (was Grossly Mis-Used Songs) Josh Burnett writes: > On Apr 25, 2005, at 2:44 PM, JC Kammerzell wrote: >> Am I alone in finding FTE to be Sarah's best album? I've tried several of >> the others, and keep coming back to that one as my favorite. Same with >> Tori's Little Earthquakes. > > No, you're not. FTE seems to be the consensus choice for her best album. > For me, though, it's a toss-up between FTE and Solace. Which is where I fall.. I like both of them a lot. Solace has more emotional nostalgia for me (swooning when I first heard "Vox"), but FTE has a number of great tracks too. (I especially love the throbbing bassline of Possession... Can't stand the song on headphones since you tend to lose that..) brian the mooman ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2005 18:43:12 -0400 From: Jason Gordon Subject: RE: More about Indy 23 crappy electroclash beeping irritating songs (as now i realize i must have given a song called "Dumbass" by Gerador Zero 5 stars accidentaly), a slight [and quite irritating at that] detour into thrash metal, and finally Happy Rhodes :) (Phobos in case your interested) Hopefully the recommendations get better now that I hear something I like whoowhoo rock on happy! jason - -----Original Message----- From: owner-ecto@smoe.org [mailto:owner-ecto@smoe.org]On Behalf Of Xenu's Sister Sent: Monday, April 25, 2005 5:05 PM To: Ecto Subject: Re: More about Indy - --- Xenu's Sister wrote: I said: > Since Indy only plays an artist once per listener, I meant to say only plays a song once per listener. Once you hear a song and rate it, you'll never hear that song again. So, many people, like me, are hearing multiple songs by Happy. (However, I've uninstalled and reinstalled a few times. That probably wipes out my previous ratings and so she's played for me again) V (np: I Say on Indy) Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2005 15:57:42 -0700 (PDT) From: "Xenu's Sister" Subject: RE: More about Indy - --- Jason Gordon wrote: > 23 crappy electroclash beeping irritating songs Well, there is that. Sometimes we must suffer for our goddesses. I told Happy her music would be like a shining beacon of class and talent compared to what I was hearing on Thursday and Friday. The songs have gotten better, but I do think your ratings get lost if you uninstall and reinstall. Bugs, zey must be killed just like Landfill (who I hope I never hear again in my life). > (Phobos in case your interested) Yes I am, thanks. I'm having a bizarro experience here. I've heard about 10 Happy songs in a row. I heard Tragic twice in a row. No, I wasn't wrong when I said they don't repeat songs, but I had submitted the song twice because I fixed a filename problem. I thought they'd delete the old one, but it's still there and they played one after the other. The Echoes Temporary and Eternal is playing now. It's the last one though. My UnRated folder now has other people there. Ooops, just looked again and Phobos is waiting there for me. And, it just crashed. Darn. V (my obsession will wear off when the meds kick in, don't worry) This is a signature. It's a friendly signature. But it doesn't like seeing SPAM next to its owner's name. Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ End of ecto-digest V11 #113 ***************************