From: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org (ecto-digest) To: ecto-digest@smoe.org Subject: ecto-digest V11 #109 Reply-To: ecto@smoe.org Sender: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk ecto-digest Friday, April 22 2005 Volume 11 : Number 109 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Today's your birthday, friend... [Mike Matthews ] Re: Indy - music discovery program [Graeme Mair ] Re: Indy - music discovery program [Graeme Mair ] Magic Flute, Wranglers and such... grossly misused songs... ["R.L Smith" ] Re: grossly misused songs [breinheimer@webtv.net (bill)] RE: re teardrop on house ... grossly misused songs... ["Christy Horne" ] Tori and Rachael ["Xenu's Sister" ] Spare a thought for Bill and Billi Mazur ["Xenu's Sister" ] grossly misused songs ["Amanda Williams" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2005 03:00:02 -0400 (EDT) From: Mike Matthews Subject: Today's your birthday, friend... i*i*i*i*i*i i*i*i*i*i*i *************** *****HAPPY********* **************BIRTHDAY********* *************************************************** *************************************************************************** ********************* Harry Foster (no Email address) ********************* *************************************************************************** -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- - -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Harry Foster Sat April 21 1956 NiceGuy Kjetil Torgrim Homme Thu April 23 1970 Taurus Jeff Burka Thu April 24 1969 GoFlyAKite Christine Waite Tue April 25 1972 Taurus Matt Adams Thu April 26 1962 Taurus Brad Hutchinson Tue April 28 1964 What sign? Geoff Parks Sun April 30 1961 Taurus Marty Lash Sat May 01 1948 Taurus Barney Parker Fri May 02 1986 happy cat Gray Abbott Tue May 03 1955 Suprised Tamar Boursalian Tue May 03 1966 Taurus Richard A. Holmes May 07 Taurus Steve Ito Fri May 08 1970 DA Bull... Brian Gregory Thu May 09 1963 Eclectic Catherine Sundnes Sat May 09 1970 Very Catzy Heidi Maier Wed May 10 1978 Taurus Patrick Varker Wed May 12 1954 Torius Philip David Morgan Sat May 12 1962 Chinese Tiger in Bull Clothing Steve Fagg Tue May 13 1958 Nightwol Karel Zuiderveld Fri May 13 1960 Stier Michael Colford Wed May 16 1962 Taurus Christopher Boek Tue May 19 1970 Taurus Julia Macklin Mon May 20 1968 ethereus Yngve Hauge Fri May 21 1971 Gemini - -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2005 10:37:40 +0100 From: Graeme Mair Subject: Re: Indy - music discovery program On 21 Apr, 2005, at 05:20, Nadyne Mielke wrote: > Today, /. posted a story about "Indy". It's a program that bills > itself as an easy way to find new independent music. It plays songs, > you rate what you hear, and it sends you more music along those lines. > It also allows you to submit music (MP3 only) to be added to the Indy > playlist. It specifies that it has to be freely available for > download on an existing web server (so that it can grab it), and the > copyright holder has to give permission. It's currently only > available for Windows, although it says that Mac and Linux versions > will be available this summer. > > So has anyone tried this yet? I'm sure that their servers are getting > the standard /. pounding, but I was able to browse around their site > without a problem. (However, I can't download the software; they've > capped their downloads and say that they're maxed out, but will email > me when it's available.) > > For those of you who are interested in learning more, the website is: > http://www.indy.tv/ > > /nm > I'm already signed up with AudioScrobbler which btw is how I came across Ecto and it has a nice feature called LastFM radio. The AudioScrobbler logs what music you listen to and then compares your musical taste with other peoples on the site who are your "Musical Neighbours". It uses both your musical taste and the other folks/neighbours to create an internet radio based on your preferred kind of music taste as well as your "neighbours". The nice thing being that you get to hear some stuff that you wouldn't normally listen to or even know about. From what I read it looks like Indy only lets you hear what you have in your own music collection and so you don't get the opportunity to expand your musical horizons More info at Cheers Graeme http://homepage.mac.com/fuzzytnth3/ o__ o__ o__ o__ _.>/ _ _.>/ _ _.>/ _ _.>/ _ (_) \(_) (_) \(_) (_) \(_) (_) \(_) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2005 11:15:56 +0100 From: Graeme Mair Subject: Re: Indy - music discovery program On 21 Apr, 2005, at 10:37, Graeme Mair wrote: > From what I read it looks like Indy only lets you hear what you have > in your own music collection and so you don't get the opportunity to > expand your musical horizons Ooops, just had another read of the blurb on the Indy site and it would seem that it is very similar to AudioScrobbler as it compares your ratings with other users to Graeme http://homepage.mac.com/fuzzytnth3/ o__ o__ o__ o__ _.>/ _ _.>/ _ _.>/ _ _.>/ _ (_) \(_) (_) \(_) (_) \(_) (_) \(_) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2005 16:21:16 +0000 From: "R.L Smith" Subject: Magic Flute, Wranglers and such... grossly misused songs... >------------------------------ > >Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 15:52:37 -0400 >From: "Christy Horne" >Subject: misused songs > >One that freaking annoys me is the queen of the night aria area from The >Magic Flute used to sell Kraft Ez-Mac. wft??? > >------------------------------ Funny, when I was training in classical voice, I sang that the Queen of the Night's vengeance aria. Considering poor instruction in the ways of eating we get in America, the final damning lines of this aria might be apropos for a cheesey-mac commercial: "Hear! Hear! Hear, Gods of vengeance: hear the mother's curse!" Maybe this is an audio subliminal? As for the Wrangler commercial featuring Fogerty's "Fortunate Son," I actually emailed the company at the time and said I thought the actual song was incongruous with the visuals of the ad. They pooh-poohed my comments. I'll boil it down to them saying it was an egalitarian, everyday joe kind of message of Wrangler keepin' it real. I think the truth is that they specifically featured the line "red white and blue" and relied on non-thinking viewers to interpret that as a flag-waving message shortly after September 11. Weird. Insulting. Typical. Hear hear the use of the mesmerizing "Teardrop" for House theme. Yum. I also love the theme of "Rescue Me" by the von Bondies. Good stuff. Rita ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2005 12:28:41 -0400 From: breinheimer@webtv.net (bill) Subject: Re: grossly misused songs I believe that it is the cialis commercials that feature the the's "this is the day". I've always felt that the song was not upbeat but rather more despondent. That is to say that the protaganist's life was not going to change for the better on that day or on any other for that matter I would like to point out that as much as the use of some of these songs in commercials may sometimes be annoying they also represent exposure for the artists and songs and, I would hope, royalties for the artists One has to wonder whether or not Nick Drake might be making more money today then he ever did when he was alive if not for his untimely demise. This, of course, is hardly a new concept. It's often be said that death is a great career move for an artist. Heck, Hotblack Desiato spent a whole year dead (for tax reasons). One final note. There are actually cd compilations of this stuff. Most notably "as seen on tv" which opens with "pink moon". nr- Douglas Adams: Mostly Harmless np- Patty Larkin: Regrooving the Dream ( is it just me or does she just keep getting better with every release?) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2005 13:57:00 -0400 From: "Christy Horne" Subject: RE: re teardrop on house ... grossly misused songs... Anybody else noticed on the close captioning at the beginning of a House episode, they categorize "teardrop" as "new age music"??? lol ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2005 11:33:59 -0700 (PDT) From: "Xenu's Sister" Subject: Re: grossly misused songs - --- bill wrote: > I would like to point out that as much as the > use of some of these songs in commercials may > sometimes be annoying they also represent exposure > for the artists and songs and, I would hope, > royalties for the artists Yeah, I used to think the idea of Happy's music in a commercial was appalling, now I'd *LOVE* to hear "Waking Up" in a coffee commercial. > It's often be said that death is a great career move > for an artist. *Shudder* I have nightmares about that. > Heck, Hotblack Desiato spent a whole year dead (for tax > reasons). Restaurant at the End of the Universe! What do I win? Vickie (thirty-seven miles away in a concrete bunker) Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2005 11:43:50 -0700 (PDT) From: "Xenu's Sister" Subject: Tori and Rachael Tori's going to be on Leno tonight. Rachael Sage is going to be at the Uncommon Ground coffee shop tomorrow night. There are several performers, but I believe Rachael goes on at 10pm. I went to see her last night at a small coffee shop called the Big Star Cafe. There weren't very many people there, but those who were were very attentive. Rachael was great, as usual. It's always nice to see her boa, hear her music and see that gorgeous smile. And of course, it's always nice to see the ever huggable meth. Thank you meth for emailing me about the show. I forgot all about it, and TOTALLY spaced off Chip's house concert (please forgive me Chip). I would have gone through the weekend, ladeda'ing, not even realizing that I missed all 3. (Rachael's email to the list got routed into a "SpiritWe" folder and wouldn't have gotten read in time.) Thank you. V Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2005 11:48:44 -0700 (PDT) From: "Xenu's Sister" Subject: Spare a thought for Bill and Billi Mazur Our long-time friend Bill Mazur is going though some very hard times. He just lost his father, and his lovely wife Billi has just had a stroke. Send them your prayers and/or good thoughts. We love you Bill. Get well soon Billi. Bill's email is: wpm@value.net He's keeping a progress blog at http://billimazur.blogspot.com V __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Make Yahoo! your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2005 15:18:10 -0400 (EDT) From: minemeno@antithetical.org Subject: Re: Grossly Mis-Used Songs neal: >> I dunno. I'm with the multiple interpretations perspective myself. I've read books and heard songs where I have gotten very specific things out of them, only to have the songwriter or author tell me they mean something else entirely. Sometimes I see where they are coming from, and other times I believe my interpretation is better then theirs! I think of them as the vehicle for delivering the craft, but not the arbiter of how it is received. (I've had some artists agree with that and others disagree.) << I certainly think there are plenty of cases where something may be "in" a work that the creator is not not consciously aware of. But I'm also amazed that there seems to be such a presumption that when a creator is asked about a work that the answers are necessarily truthful. It seems to me that good songs are either works of fiction, or works of biography. People could have plenty of good reasons to lie about diary entries, and practioners of finction are fundamentally in the business of lying. If I wrote a song about stalking, especially if it were tied in my head to anything specific and real, I'm pretty sure I'd lie about it when/if asked. Maybe I already have. - ------------------------------------------------------ don't email the sender at this address; it won't work. (this address is used in cases where the email address is not adequately protected from abuses.) reply to list or contact via antithetical.org. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2005 15:51:27 -0400 From: "Christy Horne" Subject: RE: Grossly Mis-Used Songs I think (as has already been mentioned) that Born in the USA is one of the most outrageous examples. I don't think that the political right misunderstood the message. I think they re-appropriated it to lessen its impact. - -----Original Message----- From: owner-ecto@smoe.org [mailto:owner-ecto@smoe.org] On Behalf Of minemeno@antithetical.org Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2005 3:18 PM To: ecto@smoe.org Subject: Re: Grossly Mis-Used Songs neal: >> I dunno. I'm with the multiple interpretations perspective myself. I've read books and heard songs where I have gotten very specific things out of them, only to have the songwriter or author tell me they mean something else entirely. Sometimes I see where they are coming from, and other times I believe my interpretation is better then theirs! I think of them as the vehicle for delivering the craft, but not the arbiter of how it is received. (I've had some artists agree with that and others disagree.) << I certainly think there are plenty of cases where something may be "in" a work that the creator is not not consciously aware of. But I'm also amazed that there seems to be such a presumption that when a creator is asked about a work that the answers are necessarily truthful. It seems to me that good songs are either works of fiction, or works of biography. People could have plenty of good reasons to lie about diary entries, and practioners of finction are fundamentally in the business of lying. If I wrote a song about stalking, especially if it were tied in my head to anything specific and real, I'm pretty sure I'd lie about it when/if asked. Maybe I already have. - ------------------------------------------------------ don't email the sender at this address; it won't work. (this address is used in cases where the email address is not adequately protected from abuses.) reply to list or contact via antithetical.org. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2005 09:55:26 +1000 From: "Amanda Williams" Subject: grossly misused songs I heard on the radio this morning that the reason why "Rock the Kasbah" was written was similar to the Footloose story - people aren't allowed to listen or dance to modern music in the Middle East, and the song was attacking that. It is supreme irony that the pilots bombing Iraq in the first Iran-Iraq war were bopping along to this song and thinking that they were "rocking the Kasbah". Amanda ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ooooooooooooooooooo~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ The man who realizes "It is the Supreme Life that shines in and through all life" does not waste words. His Pleasures and his love are then all in the soul. He becomes the most enlightened among the philosophers. - -Mundak Upanishad, III-(I)-4 http://www.samatayoga.com/ ------------------------------ End of ecto-digest V11 #109 ***************************