From: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org (ecto-digest) To: ecto-digest@smoe.org Subject: ecto-digest V11 #101 Reply-To: ecto@smoe.org Sender: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk ecto-digest Thursday, April 14 2005 Volume 11 : Number 101 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Today's your birthday, friend... [Mike Matthews ] Find Me/Sampler CD [rich.rapp@effem.com] Re: Sources for buying CDs [minemeno@antithetical.org] Re: Sources for buying CDs [minemeno@antithetical.org] Re: Sources for buying CDs [meredith ] Re: Sources for buying CDs [Bernie Mojzes ] Re: Sources for buying CDs [minemeno@antithetical.org] Re: Sources for buying CDs [meredith ] RE: Sources for buying CDs ["Michael Quinn" ] alternatives to CDs [minemeno@antithetical.org] jorane ["JoAnn Whetsell" ] Find Me Sampler MP3s for sale ["Xenu's Sister" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 03:00:04 -0400 (EDT) From: Mike Matthews Subject: Today's your birthday, friend... i*i*i*i*i*i i*i*i*i*i*i *************** *****HAPPY********* **************BIRTHDAY********* *************************************************** *************************************************************************** ************************ Jerry (no Email address) ************************* *************************************************************************** -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- - -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Jerry Tue April 13 1971 Aries Stuart Myerburg Mon April 14 1969 Aries T-Bone Wed April 15 1992 happy cat Jeff Hanson Sat April 16 1966 Aries Michael Klouda Mon April 17 1967 Aries Noe Venable Tue April 20 1976 Aries Harry Foster Sat April 21 1956 NiceGuy Kjetil Torgrim Homme Thu April 23 1970 Taurus Jeff Burka Thu April 24 1969 GoFlyAKite Christine Waite Tue April 25 1972 Taurus Matt Adams Thu April 26 1962 Taurus Brad Hutchinson Tue April 28 1964 What sign? Geoff Parks Sun April 30 1961 Taurus Marty Lash Sat May 01 1948 Taurus Barney Parker Fri May 02 1986 happy cat Gray Abbott Tue May 03 1955 Suprised Tamar Boursalian Tue May 03 1966 Taurus Richard A. Holmes May 07 Taurus Steve Ito Fri May 08 1970 DA Bull... Brian Gregory Thu May 09 1963 Eclectic Catherine Sundnes Sat May 09 1970 Very Catzy Heidi Maier Wed May 10 1978 Taurus Patrick Varker Wed May 12 1954 Torius Philip David Morgan Sat May 12 1962 Chinese Tiger in Bull Clothing Steve Fagg Tue May 13 1958 Nightwol Karel Zuiderveld Fri May 13 1960 Stier - -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 09:19:34 -0400 From: rich.rapp@effem.com Subject: Find Me/Sampler CD All; Find Me/Sampler CD I still have an extra copy, SIGNED by Happy at the Tin Angel. 1st to email me offline (rich.rapp@effem.com) with an offer of $15.00 (what I paid) and it's yours. I'll pick up the shipping... Cheers; Rich Rapp Customer Support Quality Coordinator MEI, a Mars Company Office: 610.430.2792 Cell: 484.433.8577 Fax: 610.430.2694 Email: rich.rapp@effem.com Website: www.meiglobal.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 09:54:15 -0400 (EDT) From: minemeno@antithetical.org Subject: Re: Sources for buying CDs On Tue, 12 Apr 2005, Doug wrote: > I'm considering buying one of Kay Hanley's CDs, but I can't decide > from where to buy it. I can get it from Kay's website, but I can get > it for $2.15 less from Newburycomics.com. On the one hand Kay might > pocket a little bit more if I get it from her site, but that > philosophy tends to leave retailers with more product on their hands, > which might discourage them from distributing Kay's music. Of course > I'm only one person, but large numbers of people following the same > ordering philosophy would be something else entirely, so it follows > that philosophy is important. > > What do you think? For label artists, it's a trade off. Hanley almost certainly sees more profit if you buy directly from her site, but if you buy from a retailer like Newbury, she gets the soundscan tracking. Records sold directly by the artist and not tracked by soundscan may recoup the artist (against the label's investment) and may not be included in the label's accounting of how worthwhile it was to release the record. When relevant, I've sometimes asked people from whom they'd prefer I buy their album. Responses have varied. For independent releases the equation is usually simpler, but still, if the retailer doesn't eventually sell what they got from the distributor, they'll never order more. - -- d. - ------------------------------------------------------ don't email the sender at this address; it won't work. (this address is used in cases where the email address is not adequately protected from abuses.) reply to list or contact via antithetical.org. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 11:16:41 -0400 (EDT) From: minemeno@antithetical.org Subject: Re: Sources for buying CDs On Wed, 13 Apr 2005 minemeno@antithetical.org erred: Ooops. Missing "NOT" added here: > like Newbury, she gets the soundscan tracking. Records sold directly by the artist and not tracked by soundscan may NOT recoup the artist (against the label's investment) and may not be included in the label's accounting of how worthwhile it was to release the record. < - - d. - ------------------------------------------------------ don't email the sender at this address; it won't work. (this address is used in cases where the email address is not adequately protected from abuses.) reply to list or contact via antithetical.org. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 11:17:00 -0400 From: meredith Subject: Re: Sources for buying CDs Hi, >For label artists, it's a trade off. Hanley almost certainly sees more >profit if you buy directly from her site, but if you buy from a retailer >like Newbury, she gets the soundscan tracking. This is an excellent point. In this particular case, I think I would go with buying it at Newbury. Not only are you supporting an independent retailer (a fast dying breed), but you are also adding a tick to Hanley's Soundscan tracking, which may actually matter more to her in the long run if she's trying for a bigger label deal or whatnot. In general for situations like this with indie artists, my thought process goes thusly: Am I going to be seeing the artist perform live in the near future? If yes, then I'll wait to pick up the CD at the show. The artist will get more profit from the transaction, and I will get some interaction with the artist and maybe even get an autograph out of it. If no, then I'll go ahead and buy it there at the store. I will be supporting an indie retailer as well as an indie artist, and I get to listen to the CD immediately. Everybody wins. >Records sold directly >by the artist and not tracked by soundscan may recoup the artist (against >the label's investment) and may not be included in the label's accounting >of how worthwhile it was to release the record. The key here is "and not tracked by soundscan". Several artists actually have arrangements to have their in-person sales tracked by Soundscan. (I have been asked as a venue representative to sign off on Soundscan tally sheets, both at our house concerts and the local concert series.) And IIRC, back during the CD Baby discussion it came up that their in-person credit card sales are sent to Soundscan, yes? >When relevant, I've sometimes asked people from whom they'd prefer I buy >their album. Responses have varied. Same here. Generally the folks who would prefer you buy it from them are the ones who do their own Soundscan reporting, I've found. =============================================== Meredith Tarr New Haven, CT USA mailto:meth@smoe.org http://www.smoe.org/meth =============================================== hear at the HOMe House Concert Series http://hom.smoe.org =============================================== ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 11:41:50 -0400 (EDT) From: Bernie Mojzes Subject: Re: Sources for buying CDs The other thing that is important (to me at least) is to support local independant businesses. I'd prefer to go to my local independant music store (in my area, that would be Shady Dog Records) and order a copy of whatever i want (and wait a week to get it, and maybe even pay a dollar or two more) than go to [insert name of corporate mega-retailer] for instant gratification, or to buy from Amazon or such. There's two reasons for this. First is that these folks have dedicated themselves to music in a serious way, and to bringing music to people. The second is that the robustness of a local economy depends to a large degree on the robustness of its local businesses. As local businesses fall to generic chain stores, to malls, to Walmart and the rest, towns lose their center and their identities, and our economy loses essential diversity (which functions in society much like biodiversity functions in nature). *stops abruptly to avoid ranting* brni On Wed, 13 Apr 2005 minemeno@antithetical.org wrote: > On Tue, 12 Apr 2005, Doug wrote: > > > I'm considering buying one of Kay Hanley's CDs, but I can't decide > > from where to buy it. I can get it from Kay's website, but I can get > > it for $2.15 less from Newburycomics.com. On the one hand Kay might > > pocket a little bit more if I get it from her site, but that > > philosophy tends to leave retailers with more product on their hands, > > which might discourage them from distributing Kay's music. Of course > > I'm only one person, but large numbers of people following the same > > ordering philosophy would be something else entirely, so it follows > > that philosophy is important. > > > > What do you think? > > For label artists, it's a trade off. Hanley almost certainly sees more > profit if you buy directly from her site, but if you buy from a retailer > like Newbury, she gets the soundscan tracking. Records sold directly > by the artist and not tracked by soundscan may recoup the artist (against > the label's investment) and may not be included in the label's accounting > of how worthwhile it was to release the record. > > When relevant, I've sometimes asked people from whom they'd prefer I buy > their album. Responses have varied. > > For independent releases the equation is usually simpler, but still, if > the retailer doesn't eventually sell what they got from the distributor, > they'll never order more. > > -- d. > > ------------------------------------------------------ > don't email the sender at this address; it won't work. > (this address is used in cases where the email address > is not adequately protected from abuses.) reply to > list or contact via antithetical.org. > - -- brni i don't want the world, i just want your half. www.livejournal.com/~brni ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 11:52:09 -0400 (EDT) From: minemeno@antithetical.org Subject: Re: Sources for buying CDs On Wed, 13 Apr 2005, Bernie Mojzes wrote: > The other thing that is important (to me at least) is to support local > independant businesses. I'd prefer to go to my local independant music > store (in my area, that would be Shady Dog Records) and order a copy of > whatever i want (and wait a week to get it, and maybe even pay a dollar oh, sure. Newbury Comics, which the original poster mentioned specifically, is a weird beast, though -- it's an independent local chain. And if it wasn't good for Other Music, it seems to have the Tower Records across the street from its main location more-or-less on the ropes. I tend to think it's more good than bad. - ------------------------------------------------------ don't email the sender at this address; it won't work. (this address is used in cases where the email address is not adequately protected from abuses.) reply to list or contact via antithetical.org. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 11:56:58 -0400 From: meredith Subject: Re: Sources for buying CDs Hi, >oh, sure. Newbury Comics, which the original poster mentioned >specifically, is a weird beast, though -- it's an independent local chain. >And if it wasn't good for Other Music, it seems to have the Tower Records >across the street from its main location more-or-less on the ropes. >I tend to think it's more good than bad. I still consider Newbury Comics an indie. Yes, it's a chain, but it's a very localized one and it hasn't sold out to the behemoths (yet). =============================================== Meredith Tarr New Haven, CT USA mailto:meth@smoe.org http://www.smoe.org/meth =============================================== hear at the HOMe House Concert Series http://hom.smoe.org =============================================== ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 12:12:45 -0400 From: "Michael Quinn" Subject: RE: Sources for buying CDs I personally wish more artists would simply have a spot to donate with Paypal or something similar if you acquired their music on the net somehow you could just donate what you felt you could afford if you got enjoyment out of it; Or they could host the MP3s themselves on their websites and allow download of the album for a fee or both. That way the artist would be getting the vast majority of the profit directly and wouldn't have to worry about the cost of producing physical CDs. and I'm sure there are significant numbers of people who would do this given the chance. I understand this may be a conflict for those who are already signed to labels in many cases but hopefully something like this will become available more in the future. - -----Original Message----- From: owner-ecto@smoe.org [mailto:owner-ecto@smoe.org] On Behalf Of minemeno@antithetical.org Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2005 9:54 AM To: ecto@smoe.org Subject: Re: Sources for buying CDs On Tue, 12 Apr 2005, Doug wrote: > I'm considering buying one of Kay Hanley's CDs, but I can't decide > from where to buy it. I can get it from Kay's website, but I can get > it for $2.15 less from Newburycomics.com. On the one hand Kay might > pocket a little bit more if I get it from her site, but that > philosophy tends to leave retailers with more product on their hands, > which might discourage them from distributing Kay's music. Of course > I'm only one person, but large numbers of people following the same > ordering philosophy would be something else entirely, so it follows > that philosophy is important. > > What do you think? For label artists, it's a trade off. Hanley almost certainly sees more profit if you buy directly from her site, but if you buy from a retailer like Newbury, she gets the soundscan tracking. Records sold directly by the artist and not tracked by soundscan may recoup the artist (against the label's investment) and may not be included in the label's accounting of how worthwhile it was to release the record. When relevant, I've sometimes asked people from whom they'd prefer I buy their album. Responses have varied. For independent releases the equation is usually simpler, but still, if the retailer doesn't eventually sell what they got from the distributor, they'll never order more. - -- d. - ------------------------------------------------------ don't email the sender at this address; it won't work. (this address is used in cases where the email address is not adequately protected from abuses.) reply to list or contact via antithetical.org. __________ NOD32 1.1059 (20050412) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.nod32.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 12:42:46 -0400 (EDT) From: minemeno@antithetical.org Subject: alternatives to CDs On Wed, 13 Apr 2005, Michael Quinn wrote: > I personally wish more artists would simply have a spot to donate with > Paypal or something similar if you acquired their music on the net somehow [...] > out of it; Or they could host the MP3s themselves on their websites and > allow download of the album for a fee or both. That way the artist would It's coming. Kristin Hersh's mp3-of-the-month club was ground-breaking, as were similar efforts by Tim Quirk (ex-Too Much Joy) and Nick Currie (Momus). Unfortunately, there's a missing piece -- some artists who made their reputations in bricks-and-morter distribution may be able to make a living and/or finance professional studio recordings this way, but I'm unaware of any similar large-scale successes yet by breaking artists -- with the possible exception of some of the folks from garageband.com and the old mp3.com, but I think even the relative successes there ultimately fell short or expectations/hopes in terms of sustainable careers for the musicians. Part of what we need (imnsho) are new gatekeeper entities that replace the function of commercial radio/tv and the mainstream press in terms of garnering public awareness for new artists. Music oriented blogs are already evolving in that direction, I think. "Professional studio recording" may yet go bye-bye, of course. I think there are good reasons to hope it doesn't, but that's a whole nother can of worms. - ------------------------------------------------------ don't email the sender at this address; it won't work. (this address is used in cases where the email address is not adequately protected from abuses.) reply to list or contact via antithetical.org. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 14:58:54 -0400 From: "JoAnn Whetsell" Subject: jorane I highly recommend everyone who can check out Jorane on her first US tour. I saw her last night in Seattle with Neile and Tamar, and it was an amazing show. Only complaint: at one hour and one encore song, it was too short. I could have easily sat and listened to her for another hour or more. Jorane took the stage solo but was soon accompanied by a guitarist. They played with passion and intensity, and I found both the music and Jorane's stage manner mesmerizing: her facial expressions, the subtle but dramatic use of her eyes, the way she bowed her cello, even the way she'd pull her left arm away from the strings. She's also very nutty, and the dramatic persona adopted during her in-between-songs banter (or maybe that's her normal personality) had me cracking up. I took the opportunity to pick up her new album, The You and the Now, which I was a little hesitant to buy since it's her first English-language effort. Would I like her music as much if I could understand the lyrics? I'm only halfway through my first listen, but the answer is a resounding yes. JoAnn ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 12:44:15 -0700 (PDT) From: "Xenu's Sister" Subject: Find Me Sampler MP3s for sale - --- Michael Quinn wrote: > Or they could host the MP3s themselves on their websites and > allow download of the album for a fee or both. That way the artist would be > getting the vast majority of the profit directly and wouldn't have to worry > about the cost of producing physical CDs. and I'm sure there are significant > numbers of people who would do this given the chance. If there are other people who feel as you do, and who didn't get in on the sale of Find Me Sampler CDs, they can buy high-quality mp3s in order to hear the music. Happy has just authorized me to offer these if anyone is interested. The offer isn't on her web site, it's only available through me. Nothing regarding Find Me will be on her web site until the album comes out, and there's still no release date on the horizon (it's finished and mixed, but not mastered yet). No money goes through me. As with the now-gone-except-for-Rich's-copy CDs, you'd pay Happy directly, via either PayPal or check or money order. The mp3s are $12.00 (no shipping or handling fees), and are ripped from the Sampler at Highest Quality Variable Bit Rate. Once Happy has your payment, it's my task to get you your mp3s. Of course, you must be able to download and hear them. I'm not going to burn the mp3s onto a disc for anyone. I add this simply to avoid any confusion: By buying the mp3s (or the CD Sampler, for that matter), you are not pre-paying for the album, when it's released. That's a separate purchase you must make at the time of release if you want one. There will be no monetary credit given to the buyers of the Sampler or mp3s. (as opposed to personal credit, in the form of a hearty pat-on-the-back from me, for supporting Happy. Go you!) Any questions? Reply at this address (xenussister@yahoo.com) Vickie __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail ------------------------------ End of ecto-digest V11 #101 ***************************