From: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org (ecto-digest) To: ecto-digest@smoe.org Subject: ecto-digest V11 #79 Reply-To: ecto@smoe.org Sender: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk ecto-digest Tuesday, March 22 2005 Volume 11 : Number 079 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: cd baby [neal copperman ] Today's your birthday, friend... [Mike Matthews ] Blast from the gaffa past! ["Xenu's Sister" ] Re: Searching ecto archives (was Re: Julia Messenger) [Profjava@aol.com] Please help me add to this list of set lists ["Xenu's Sister" ] Fall ["Lyle Howard" ] Re: Fall ["Jeffrey Burka" ] Re: Fall ["Jeffrey Burka" ] Re: Coupla cuts from one of the recent shows [Ken Descoteaux ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 00:05:59 -0700 From: neal copperman Subject: Re: cd baby One other interesting CD Baby perk I don't fully understand... We just had a nice house concert with Siobhan Quinn & Michael Bowers. They were set up to take credit cards while on the road. The arrangement was done through CD Baby, so the charge slips were made out to CD Baby and the charges show up as CD Baby sales, and then CD Baby sent payment to the artists. It sounded like they took 9% for that, but Siobhan said it was a great arrangement and made their lives really easy. neal At 5:42 PM -0800 3/21/05, Cyoakha wrote: >just my occasional two cents, cd baby has been selling all three of >my cds for over 3 years, is the only company to give me fan's >emails, keep me updated on the latest news on up-loading, tips on >selling and sites, weekly checks deposited right into my bank, fun >and funny folk I send candy to when re-stocking Blind's CDs, totally >kind and helpful, always fair and honest...and a great site overall >for every artist from any genre, I just added my Lovecraft movie >soundtrack (very avant) and it's selling well thru cd baby around >the world. I am trying to get my old band, AZIGZA (very good Gong >friends by the way) to market their second album (it's really great, >a masterpiece work) thru cd baby also...CD BABY rocks, in other >words. better than Borders, better than Amazon...better than any >little start up I lost cds too that went under... > >in peace, cyoakha grace, solo, blind, azigza, druids etc.. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 03:00:02 -0500 (EST) From: Mike Matthews Subject: Today's your birthday, friend... i*i*i*i*i*i i*i*i*i*i*i *************** *****HAPPY********* **************BIRTHDAY********* *************************************************** *************************************************************************** ********************** Bob Brown (no Email address) *********************** *************************************************************************** -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- - -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Bob Brown Thu March 22 1951 Ham Valerie Nozick Thu March 25 1971 Aries Tom Proven Sat March 27 1971 Eat at Joe's Jennifer Albert Wed March 30 1966 Aries (w/Cancer rising!:) Warpaint Mon April 01 1991 Brilliant! Michael Pearce Wed April 03 1946 Pegasus Michael E. Bravo Mon April 05 1971 Dandelion Wine Brion McIntosh Sun April 06 1958 Aries Marcel Kshensky Thu April 06 1950 Aries Bill Mazur Mon April 06 1953 Aries Sun/Cancer Rising David Dixon Tue April 07 1970 Aries Heidi Heller Mon April 08 1974 Aries Jill Hughes Sat April 09 1955 Aries Klaus Kluge Sun April 10 1960 Unicorn Steve VanDevender Sun April 10 1966 Racer Art Liestman Fri April 10 1953 Repeat Stephen Golden Sat April 10 1971 Jokey Michael Bowman Wed April 11 1962 Aries Wolfgang Ullwer Fri April 11 1969 Widder Janet Kirsch Thu April 11 1974 Aries Jerry Tue April 13 1971 Aries Stuart Myerburg Mon April 14 1969 Aries T-Bone Wed April 15 1992 happy cat Jeff Hanson Sat April 16 1966 Aries Michael Klouda Mon April 17 1967 Aries Noe Venable Tue April 20 1976 Aries Harry Foster Sat April 21 1956 NiceGuy - -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 05:44:58 -0800 (PST) From: "Xenu's Sister" Subject: Blast from the gaffa past! With recent posts from Jeff Burka and Mike Mendelson (hi!) I thought I'd get nostalgic and post this. I just came across it by accident while searching "Happy lyrics" because I was looking for the lyrics to the Left Hand Demos. They're hidden away on Happy's site and aren't yet on the Ecto Home page (soon to be fixed). I couldn't believe it when I saw it. Halfway down a page of Kate Bush lyrics, were the post(s) that I originally sent to rec.music.gaffa/Love-Hounds with Happy's lyrics. Jeff, Mike and I had worked hard on figuring out the lyrics to the 1st4 cassettes, then I sent them to Happy and she made corrections and additions. I then posted the whole, long, shebang to rmg/LH, much to the displeasure of several very vocal people. My long-windedness, oblivious rudeness and teenybopper-like enthusiasm in these posts truly was the birth of ecto. I write a lot of "Happy said" tidbits that even I had forgotten about! I'm not going to post the lyrics themselves, just the post that preceeded them. The lyrics were very silly though. Not the lyrics themselves, just the formatting. I had a blast doing it, but I can't blame Happy for making fun of it once in concert (affectionate fun). I found the posts here: http://www.hobbot-online.de/bush.txt (does this site belong to anyone here?) Forgive me, I was young. Ok, I wasn't all that young, but you have to imagine how thrilled....no, ****THRILLED**** I was that other people were paying attention and liking Happy. Jeff and Mike and Larry, you guys have no idea how ecstatic I was at your interest in Happy. I still get that same thrill when people say they like Happy, but it's never been this intense. I was bedside myself with joy and my mouth and fingers went into ultimate overdrive. Probably only about 10 people were interested in this, at this point, but I thought everybody on gaffa was! Or should be. My enthusiasm probably turned off as many people as it sucked in, if not more, but it all turned out for the best. I am not ashamed. Much. It was a very fun time, before it turned ugly, then it became fun again when ecto popped out of it. There was no date on this. It would have been spring 1991, since Jessica started ecto in June 1991. ============================== Vickie here. Re: Happy Lyrics First, a message to Neil Calton...please don't delete Happy's lyrics for the printouts you send to Peter & Krys at Homeground. They (Hi!) have Happy's first four albums and I'm sure they would enjoy having the lyrics too. THANKS! I think everyone, even those who haven't heard the songs (yet!), will enjoy reading Happy's lyrics. Needless to say (but I'll say it anyway), everyone should either print them out or put them in an easily found file. Even if you're not interested in Happy now, that might very well change at some point in the future. I hope they'll go in the archives. I tried to give (in print) each song a different "look" because, though it might be distracting or annoying to some, it might help others who are just starting to separate and distinguish the 53 songs. Of course, lyrics cannot in any way give you a sense of how extraordinary and original the music is. Or how beautiful and expressive Happy's voice is. The slight Celtic lilts, the textured emotion, crystal clear clarity, the honesty and vulnerability and strength and awesomness of it. Sometimes, I rewind over and over again just to marvel at how she sings lines like "Ever see the wings of a dragonfly? Paper-thin and cellophane And quickly broken like the will to live for a mind in pain" or "Get your head out of the cotton clouds, put your precious feet on the floor" or "Go away way very far away, take your leave" (in that same song, "If So", I get goosebumps and teary the way she sings "Never grieve the loss") or "Farewell thou lob of spirits, I'll be gone" or "And they're telling me 'You should find out what is wrong' I think I'm alright, I'm still putting up a fight. But I keep on losing, soon I'll be dying of fright" or "Despite the bad ways of the girl with the purest of hearts" or any number of others. Could anybody imagine that a line like "I'll speak to you, but my flesh will burn" could sound so achingly beautiful? No, unless you've heard Happy. - ---- Big, large, very huge amounts of !!THANKS!! to Jeffrey for taking on the enormous task of sitting down and transcribing each song on the first three albums. I'd never even tried to attempt it, even though I truly love lyric sheets. Seeing lyrics in front of you brings the meanings of songs closer to home. Jeff accurately caught lines that I'd puzzled over and given up on over two years ago! I'm in awe at his accomplishment. Happy was amazed and quite pleased too. She said that she was re-listening to "Ally Ally Oxenfree" and SHE couldn't even understand the lyrics. It had been so long since she'd heard the song that she'd forgotten what she wrote. Yet Jeff got nearly ALL the words right! Wow! She wrote "I'm amazed you got any of these lyrics! Good job!!" There were lines that had him shaking his head though. Michael helped clear a few of those up and I went through and put in my own corrections and comments, then mailed them off to Happy. She sent them back with lots of corrections in red pen and in purple ink she wrote little comments about some songs. I'll share some of those with you in a bit. Before I got the lyrics back from her, Happy told me over the phone answers to some of the most vexing lyrics. For example, parts of the song "For We Believe" were particularly difficult because the high and low voices are singing different lines but they're intertwined so without knowing the exact lyrics it's impossible to understand what's going on. This is an example of what was sent Happy to correct: For We Believe (high voice) ((high & low voices together)) [Vickie's interpratation-sounds like...] What are these things [What (I) ees (are) these thing (we) ((words alway))] Why is this love ... [What (I) ees (ah) this love (we) ((words alway))] Where is this hole coming from? Where is this hole coming from? HUH??? HELP!!! This is the corrected version of that line: For We Believe (Why) (are) (we) ((worlds away?)) What is this thing? (Why) (are) (we) ((worlds away?)) What is this love? Where is this hope coming from? Where is this hope coming from? ....Thanks to Happy for clearing THAT one up! Whew! Of course, now that I know what she's singing it sounds perfectly clear to me! - ---- "Oh The Drears"-the word came from a schoolchum of Happy's, who was always moaning about having the drears. The word stuck in Happy's mind. In the beginning of the song (that *wonderful* beginning) the sound you can't quite make out is the sound of Happy calling out to her engineer. Listen on headphones to catch it during the echoes. - ---- I asked Happy about "Rainkeeper" and said it was a puzzle to me. She's no help at all, saying "It's a puzzle to me too" :-) The lyrics are sort of "Mother Stands For Comfort"-ish. - ---- The song "He's Alive" is about "Alice" the He-monster. It's based on a painting Happy did when she was 14 or 15 years old. I haven't yet heard the entire story. Can't wait for that one! I always liked the song but thought of it mainly as the song separating two of my favorites (Given In and Possessed) so was always kind of impatient with it. Believe me, now that I know the lyrics and the "Alice arise" part is clear, I'm listening to it with a new mindset! - ---- The "Mikey" in the song "The Revelation" is a fellow Happy used to know who was disgustingly optimistic. Disgustingly because Happy was at that time one of the most pessimistic people on earth. The song is not really "about" him, but sort of "to" him. Telling him, in a way, that there is no hope, there is no love etc. Kind of like "See reality willya?" Those who have yet to get _Warpaint_ should know that Happy doesn't have that kind of attitude anymore. She can still remember and see currently the very dark side of life, but knows (and writes about) the light and goodness of life. _Warpaint_ is her most optimistic album, even though there are major streaks of darkness in there too. - ---- In "Moonbeam Friends" I thought the line was "my oxy and my troll" and I asked her what an oxy was, thinking it was some mythical creature. As Michael stated, the line is actually "my oxy and nitro" but she now much prefers Michael's line "my oxy and my toe" and maybe it will end up on a tape somewhere, sometime, just for fun! This song is sung from a child's point of view, about comforting, yet somewhat sinister, "imaginary" friends. - ---- All of us had come up with some very inventive words that were as wrong as could possibly be. I think Happy had a grand time with it all. In the song "Number One" none of us could get this one phrase. Michael came up with "...and the clays maray" (that's what it sounded like to me too!) and Happy wrote on the printout "What the hell is a clays maray?" Well, Happy, gee...we were wondering ourselves. The line is actually "(The ways away)... from the craze we're in." I knew that...yeah... Another good one was in the song "The First To Cry", which none of us could understand. Michael wrote "untanglase or in tan raise" and Happy drew a little arrow to it and wrote "What the hell is he smoking?" Well, of course, the line is "mine are timeless" and it sounds perfectly clear to me now. Since I've had the tapes for nearly three years and phonetic phrases stick in the brain, I'll probably catch myself singing "...and the clays maray" or "a million to one" often, before realizing it. Happy & I were talking about that. I was telling her about having the pre-release cassette of TSW and listening to it countless times before actually getting the real lyrics from IED. A line in "Rocket's Tail" sounded like "I put on my traveling suit" and it was logical, so I sang it that way to myself. Getting the lyrics and finding out the line was "I put on my cloudiest suit" was actually a disappointment and I've continued to sing it my way. Happy said "wait a minute, you mean she's NOT singing 'traveling suit'?" She had heard it that way too and had never checked the lyric sheet to correct it. I'm glad I'm not the only one! - ---- In "Noone Here" Jeff thought the line was "Well, I locked my own brain" and Michael thought it was "Well, I longed a warm rain" and I just put a ?. Happy said she thought we all knew what she was really singing but just wouldn't let ourselves believe it. "Well, I want a warm brain" Meaning that the lonely character (Happy...it's autobiographical) in the song was desperate for intellectual companionship. This song speaks directly to the soul of anyone who's seen a beautiful sunrise or a glorious lightning storm while alone felt honered and awed to be able to see it, but ached to share it with someone. Happy's cat makes a special appearance, a kittycameo, in the song. A long time ago I asked her about the kitty and she said it was a "secret" so it seems there's a mystery there. - ---- In "To The Funnyfarm" she really does sing "And when I go I'll bring with me both of my bros" meaning her brothers. She said they were a bit on the "strange" side too. I guess! Happy was telling me that she had sent a CD of _Warpaint_ to one of her brothers weeks ago and had not heard from him. Not a word. I was very indignant and said "I guess he doesn't realize he's related to the Holy Ghost!" Amusing, but very sad, in a way. Think of the support and help that Kate's brothers have provided to her. What would she have done without them? Happy's had to work without much of a family support system. I don't mean to slam her brothers, because I don't know much about them, but from what I've heard, they're not giving Happy the support she deserves. Anyway, this is a great song! This is one of the very first songs she ever wrote. - ---- The first line in "Possessed" is "Analyzed, crucified, caught on Satan's wing. Angels of night, vultures in flight. I've a love for the fatal things" This song should have been used for that 20/20 "Exorcism" (snort-snort) Ooooooooh! This is one of my all-time favorite songs. It's fast-paced and causes my mind to warp a bit every time I hear it. - ---- In "I Am A Legend" she's been to "Anglo-land" and beyond the castle walls. Yeoooow!!! This song is a complete hoot! Who says Happy doesn't have a sense of humor? This song is so funny, the way she sings it, and especially the "La-De-Da's" at the end....! Very sly! Beyond that, it's not a "novelty" song. The music and voices and arrangements are totally brilliant! This is Chris' favorite Happy song. Happy wrote about this song: "I wanted respect for my musical abilities, but at the time, I was waitressing and bartending. The people there couldn't have cared less that I was a songwriter. It's funny how much I wanted them all to know how good _I_ thought I was" - ---- "I'm Not Awake, I'm Not Asleep" - Happy writes "This song describes what I felt and saw one night, while in a trance-like state" - ---- Where Do I Go? - "I think I need people to know that when I use the word "lord" I do not mean it in the religious sense. I'm not speaking to "The Lord" but more to myself. Blasphemous to some, I'm sure" Not to me. I can't imagine another word that would fit better. That song is excruciatingly, heart-wrenchingly honest and powerful. - ---- I had asked Happy what nightmare inspired "Beat It Out" and she wrote "Just me, being weird. I think I was testing out my low register. I wasn't in the habit of using it that much at that time" - ---- Steve VanDevender writes: > I swear Happy sings "I'm not a peapod, but someday I will pass on > through" in "The Wretches Gone Awry". Steve, I would have disagreed strongly. I was convinced the line was "... _*Under*_ the peapod, but someday we will pass on through" :-) The line is actually "I'll never be part, but someday I will pass on through". > For those of you willing to buy Happy Rhodes's music based on > just our recommendations, the best way I can describe it is that > it's very simple, light-sounding music on the first listen, but > the lyrics are complex and often dark. Vickie's example quote > from "To the FunnyFarm": "And when I go I'll be efficient at > making ashtrays" not only looks rather chilling in print, but the > delivery is subtly amazing. "The First To Cry" is another song > that sounds like some sort of romantic tearjerker if you don't > pay attention, but which seems to be a song about suicide to me. Yes, that's right. Happy's main euphemisms for suicide are the words "oblige" and "comply" and both are used in "The First To Cry" as in "I haven't the courage to oblige" and "If I choose to comply, not one would wonder why would I". It's a heart-wrenchingly sad song about the struggle within (and wondering if anyone would care) and to me it's a sister song to "I Have A Heart" on _Rearmament_. One of my listeners in Kansas City, a very, very nice and gentle man named John Hasseltine, was a Kate, Jane and Happy fan. He committed suicide because his girlfriend left him. I played this song in his honor. - ---- I had told Happy that many of her songs make me cry or want to cry and she wrote a very poignant thing about the song "Let me Know, Love": "This is one of the only songs that makes *me* cry when I hear it. It was and is the truest expression of what I was feeling. I finally realized that in order to have peace and love, I'd have to give up my habit of self-loathing. I started fighting back at this point" Vickie (one of Vickie'n'Chris) "I've confided in you, my friend. Now we have something to do" Happy Rhodes __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 09:16:10 EST From: Profjava@aol.com Subject: Re: Searching ecto archives (was Re: Julia Messenger) chip.lueck@gmail.com wrote: It seems that the archives on www.smoe.org are scanned by the google bot, so the following google query often will get what you want: Yes, and that's why I never post to any group using my full name any more. I did not understand the repercussions in the 1990s when I tried to follow what I thought at that time was netiquette and used my full name to try to make friends at a couple of email lists related now to smoe.org -- Ecto and one other. I did not intend my posts to be viewed under my name in Google and other places by non-list members the rest of my life, as it affects me personally and career-wise. I did not understand this might happen and it is a real problem for me. Old posts from those days show up in a search of your full name or email address, so that's why it's important for people like Happy Rhodes if she ever posts in here to know her posts of her address etc. will show outside the email list. Most people, including me, by now know not to post with our names unless we don't mind it, but back in the 1990s I did not know and did not write things I'm proud of having seen for the rest of my life. Example: some interests some people have insulted me over in less nice lists are mentioned in old posts, as is personal data I don't want others outside the list to know such as my birthdate. There are things I don't want employers or family or friends (let alone unpleasant, malicious people one can run across in other boards not as friendly as the smoe.org lists) to read things I didn't write on a professional level. I really only intended to be making friends among the members of the community on the list at the time and foolishly thought I was just writing to them. I know that one member has told me she had some things embarrassing to her removed by a former owner of the Ecto list and wish my last name and email addresses could be removed from my old smoe.org posts from the 1990s when I was still naive about the internet, or even just my last name, if nothing else, for similar reasons -- personal humiliation and stress. Smoe.org posts take up probably 70 percent of the Google results on my name. More of them are from a different smoe list than Ecto, but there were a few I wrote in Ecto too. I feel trapped by the situation. I don't think the value to a few people of having them Google searchable outweighs people's feelings, privacy, and humiliation levels even if maybe a more experienced internet person might have understood the consequences of posting my name. One weird thing has happened in the only other (non smoe) majordomo list I was in where they simply deleted my last name -- those posts still show in my google listings under my name and so far Google has not helped explain if those will ever drop out of my name search. Even ones that are password protected seem to stay in my name search but maybe they will go away. I have to keep writing google to learn more; Google likes to harp about how the robots.txt file or metatags are the only thing they recommend. I never post with my name anywhere on the internet any more because of this majordomo list archiving memory and have become a much shyer person in general but that's partly because of running across people making fun of my posts elsewhere. I used to actually have a personality before I found all this stuff in Google. So this permanent Google searchability thing has put a damper on how free I feel to communicate in majordomo lists. I still pray that something could be done with my old posts with my last name in them. I wish there were a way to use a robots.txt file (as explained at http://www.google.com/remove.html and www.robotstxt.org) to keep outside search engines out of archive directories and have just smoe.org list members search the archives. Also, I do not believe the handful of Ecto items I posted in with my last name in the 1990s were in any usenet group because I think Usenet groups are searched from Google Groups, and I don't have any Google Groups posts found under my name. Sorry, I can't sign this with my name either for this very reason, to protect my privacy from outside search bots, but can talk to anyone privately. I'm sorry if some can't relate to my distress over this old, lingering issue. My problems are only with my posts that date back several years, nothing in the last few years, by the way. What smoe.org does currently or with the last few years doesn't affect me personally at all due to my no longer using my name or known email addresses in posts, only the posts I wrote with my last name (and a couple with one email address I still use). I hope no one is offended by this post. I try not to post at all but am interested in people's music opinions here so I still read two of the lists. - -profjava@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 07:44:53 -0800 (PST) From: "Xenu's Sister" Subject: Please help me add to this list of set lists Yeah, I know I've asked this before, but please don't be impatient with me. I don't have access to my computer, assuming that I even have the files anymore, since my hard drive could well be completely fried. I won't find out until next Monday. I'm bound and determined, before the album is released, to get the FAQ completely updated (ectophiles in unison: "deja vu!") *and* I'm in the process of building a Happy Rhodes message board (ectophiles in unison: "Uh oh, she's on a bi-polar high again!") so one of the things I'd doing is updating the live shows "database." Here are the set lists I found just scouring the web: Happy Rhodes live (I have these set lists) March 18, 1992 - QEII - Albany, NY March 21, 1992 - University Museum Auditorium - Philadelphia, PA August 11, 1994 - Joyous Lake - Woodstock, NY May 9, 1996 1st show - Tin Angel - Philadelphia, PA May 9, 1996 2nd show - Tin Angel - Philadelphia, PA May 10, 1996 1st show - Tin Angel - Philadelphia, PA May 10, 1996 2nd show - Tin Angel - Philadelphia, PA August 10, 1996 1st show - The Bottom Line - New York, NY August 10, 1996 2nd show - The Bottom Line - New York, NY October 12, 1996 1st show - Tin Angel - Philadelphia, PA October 12, 1996 2nd show - Tin Angel - Philadelphia. PA March 15, 1997 1st show - Tin Angel - Philadelphia, PA March 15, 1997 2nd show - Tin Angel - Philadelphia, PA January 4, 1999 - EctoFest I - Danbury, CT January 29, 2005 1st show - Tin Angel - Philadelphia, PA January 29, 2005 2nd show - Tin Angel - Philadelphia, PA I need these set lists (URLs or pointers would be tremendous help): - - The Many Worlds shows (Philly, NY, Troy and wasn't there somewhere else?) - - Other EctoFests, including EctoFest West - - House concert at meth and woj's - - All of the late 1993 venue and house concert shows (NJ, PA, OH, WI, IL) - - Any songs she sang at a Project Lo show (Mercy Street and Perfection, yes, and any others, and dates) - - Troy, Bottom Line and Tin Angel shows I don't have listed - - Anything else not listed here The reason for that is I'm also doing a list of Where and When she sang What songs, which will end up looking something like this (only neater, I hope): 'Til The Dawn Breaks (QEII - Albany, NY - 3-18-92) 'Til The Dawn Breaks (University Museum Auditorium - Philadelphia, PA - 3-22-92) 100 Years (EctoFest I - Danbury, CT - 9-4-99) All Things (Mia Ia Io) (QEII - Albany, NY - 3-18-92) All Things (Mia Ia Io) (Tin Angel - Philadelphia, PA - 10-12-96 1st show) All Things (Mia Ia Io) (Tin Angel - Philadelphia, PA - 10-12-96 2nd show) All Things (Mia Ia Io) (Tin Angel - Philadelphia, PA - 3-15-97 1st show) All Things (Mia Ia Io) (Tin Angel - Philadelphia, PA - 3-15-97 2nd show) All Things (Mia Ia Io) (University Museum Auditorium - Philadelphia, PA - 3-22-92) All Things (Mia ia Io) (EctoFest I - Danbury, CT - 9-4-99) Ashes To Ashes (Joyous Lake - Woodstock, NY - 8-11-94) Brave Sir Robin (EctoFest I - Danbury, CT - 9-4-99) Building The Colossus (Joyous Lake - Woodstock, NY - 8-11-94) Can't Let Go (Tin Angel - Philadelphia, PA - 1-29-05 1st show) Can't Let Go (Tin Angel - Philadelphia, PA - 1-29-05 2nd show) Chariot, The (Tin Angel - Philadelphia, PA - 1-29-05 1st show) Chariot, The (Tin Angel - Philadelphia, PA - 1-29-05 2nd show) Chosen One, The (Tin Angel - Philadelphia, PA - 1-29-05 1st show) Chosen One, The (Tin Angel - Philadelphia, PA - 1-29-05 2nd show) Collective Heart (Bottom Line - New York, NY - 8-11-96 1st show) Collective Heart (Bottom Line - New York, NY - 8-11-96 2nd show) Collective Heart (Tin Angel - Philadelphia, PA - 1-29-05 1st show) Collective Heart (Tin Angel - Philadelphia, PA - 1-29-05 2nd show) Collective Heart (Tin Angel - Philadelphia, PA - 10-12-96 1st show) Collective Heart (Tin Angel - Philadelphia, PA - 10-12-96 2nd show) Collective Heart (Tin Angel - Philadelphia, PA - 5-10-96 2nd show) Collective Heart (Tin Angel - Philadelphia, PA - 5-9-96 2nd show) Come Undone (Duran Duran cover) (Bottom Line - New York, NY - 8-11-96 1st show) Come Undone (Duran Duran cover) (Bottom Line - New York, NY - 8-11-96 2nd show) Come Undone (Duran Duran cover) (Tin Angel - Philadelphia, PA - 10-12-96 2nd show) Don't Want To Hear It (Joyous Lake - Woodstock, NY - 8-11-94) Don't Want To Hear It (QEII - Albany, NY - 3-18-92) Don't Want To Hear It (University Museum Auditorium - Philadelphia, PA - 3-22-92) ...and so on. It's about time I built a list so I can see at a glance what Happy sang and where. It's gotten too confusing and hard to keep track in my old age. I went back and started re-reading Happy's "Many Worlds" writings on her website, something I highly recommend to everyone (go to http://www.auntiesocialmusic.com/manyworlds/archive/index.htm and start at the bottom, reading up, from oldest to newest). One thing (among many) that struck me was this: ======On a more realistic note, I will speak a little about the album. I've tracked much of the vocals at this point. This whole thing is being done differently than I've ever done before. Some of you have heard live versions of "Here and Hereafter", "Can't Let Go" , One and Many" and "The Chosen One"......Well, I have completed 3 of those four songs. I decided after-the-fact however, that the lead vocal for "Can't Let Go" isn't quite what I want, so I'll go back and re-sing that one. I haven't decided about the artwork just yet. I had wanted a particular thing but now that I have $0.00 for a budget, I can't fathom how it can be achieved. Frankly, I don't know how it could've been done with scads of money. So I ponder on it still.======== That's from November 2001! Excuse me, where and when did people hear live versions of "Here and Hereafter" and "One and Many"???? How did I miss that? Vickie __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 08:01:56 -0800 From: Troy J Shadbolt Subject: cd baby [oops, keep forgetting that ecto isn't the reply-to...] CD Baby started offering credit card sales about 2 years ago; I've become quite familiar with taking imprints of cc's because of it. The 9% that CD Baby retains also pays the card fee which is anywhere from 4 to 6%, so Derek and the gang are really getting something closer to 4% for letting you use their account and handling the actual processing. If you or I was to sign up with a credit card processor, we'd pay a monthly service fee to accept credit cards and a percentage of each sale is kept by the processor as their fee, so if I sell you a CD for $20.00 the processor likely will charge me 6% because I don't do volume sales, so of my $20 I only get $18.80 and also pay a monthly service charge of say $60. If I only sell 6 CDs that month, then I've paid $10 per CD to offer credit card sales, so now I've only made $8.80 off your purchase. By using CD Baby, I sell you a CD for $20.00 and CD Baby takes 9% (since they do volume, their discount rate is probably only 3%, so they are paying the credit processor $0.60 for your sale and retaining $1.20 to pay for taking your paper credit slip, turning it into an electronic order and filling your slip in their banking) and I get $18.20 for my sale and don't have to worry about monthly charges. Derek Sivers is a great guy, and he keeps adding services for the artists. Right before Megan's second CD came out, he signed up for SoundScan, so all sales from their website of CDs that have a barcode get recorded with them (a big deal if you're an indie trying to attract a label who wants proof of sales.) This past year, they added the Digital Distribution service, so now CD Baby artists can get on things like iTunes, Napster and MusicMatch. I think in the past 4 years I've bought two, maybe three CDs from the "big guys" like borders or best buy (all on sale, I assure you.) But I can't even count how many I've purchased through CD Baby (actually, I could look it up on their website to see my order history, but that would be bad...) - -troy On Mar 21, 2005, at 11:05 PM, neal copperman wrote: > One other interesting CD Baby perk I don't fully understand... > > We just had a nice house concert with Siobhan Quinn & Michael Bowers. > They were set up to take credit cards while on the road. The > arrangement was done through CD Baby, so the charge slips were made > out to CD Baby and the charges show up as CD Baby sales, and then CD > Baby sent payment to the artists. It sounded like they took 9% for > that, but Siobhan said it was a great arrangement and made their lives > really easy. > > neal > > At 5:42 PM -0800 3/21/05, Cyoakha wrote: >> just my occasional two cents, cd baby has been selling all three of >> my cds for over 3 years, is the only company to give me fan's emails, >> keep me updated on the latest news on up-loading, tips on selling and >> sites, weekly checks deposited right into my bank, fun and funny folk >> I send candy to when re-stocking Blind's CDs, totally kind and >> helpful, always fair and honest...and a great site overall for every >> artist from any genre, I just added my Lovecraft movie soundtrack >> (very avant) and it's selling well thru cd baby around the world. I >> am trying to get my old band, AZIGZA (very good Gong friends by the >> way) to market their second album (it's really great, a masterpiece >> work) thru cd baby also...CD BABY rocks, in other words. better than >> Borders, better than Amazon...better than any little start up I lost >> cds too that went under... >> >> in peace, cyoakha grace, solo, blind, azigza, druids etc.. > > - --- troy j shadbolt www.voyuz.net - --- troy j shadbolt www.voyuz.net ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 16:23:43 +0000 From: "Lyle Howard" Subject: Fall Hola, I would like to point out that June is the traditional month to get married. So perhaps the reference to June in "Fall" is about marriage. June is a curious month to pick, since leaves grow out again in spring-- so why not these last two springs. Perhaps the song is also about giving up hope for offspring. Seems to be a feeling of giving up in the lyrics. As for Happy's failure or success, I have albums by millionaires and by people who played at barn dances on Saturday night after spending the week plowing. I get pleasure out of listening to the music of both sets of people. I do hope that Happy is satisfied with her time on the earth. Bye, Lyle ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 12:03:02 -0500 From: "Jeffrey Burka" Subject: Re: Fall Lyle sez: > Perhaps the song is also about giving up hope for offspring. Seems to be > a feeling of giving up in the lyrics. this actually echoes what I was starting to think about the song yesterday (actually, while working in my garden...it shuffled onto the ipod as I was removing wax scales from a flowering quince. damned infestations! er, um, anyway.) I hear two different voices (not vocally, but lyrically) in the song. One is that of a dead person, the other of a living. I'll go out on a limb and say it's a mother-to-be and a miscarried child...a miscarriage that led to infertility ("There's a garden deep / deep in my heart / but it's blossomed for the last time") The verses sung by the dead child are are the first and the and second ("leaves make my blanket / root at my feet" would describe someone buried beneath a tree, yes?). Truly haunting. jeff n.p. _A Trick of the Tail_, Genesis ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 12:02:48 -0500 From: "Jeffrey Burka" Subject: Re: Fall Lyle sez: > Perhaps the song is also about giving up hope for offspring. Seems to be > a feeling of giving up in the lyrics. this actually echoes what I was starting to think about the song yesterday (actually, while working in my garden...it shuffled onto the ipod as I was removing wax scales from a flowering quince. damned infestations! er, um, anyway.) I hear two different voices (not vocally, but lyrically) in the song. One is that of a dead person, the other of a living. I'll go out on a limb and say it's a mother-to-be and a miscarried child...a miscarriage that led to infertility ("There's a garden deep / deep in my heart / but it's blossomed for the last time") The verses sung by the dead child are are the first and the and second ("leaves make my blanket / root at my feet" would describe someone buried beneath a tree, yes?). Truly haunting. jeff ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 13:56:15 -0500 From: Ken Descoteaux Subject: Re: Coupla cuts from one of the recent shows Xenu's Sister wrote: >Happy hates this show (technical difficulties), so I can't put the *entire* show(s) >up in "public" (as in, posting the whole thing to ecto), but here are a couple more songs. > > Happy is like Kate Bush this way. Live shows are *never* perfect. There's always broken strings, mistunings, changes to the set list, confusion over which song is next, uncontrollable feedback, noise in the amps.. something. That's what makes each live show different. Some performance I saw a while back the performer broke *two* strings and played on through, making jokes afterwords. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 13:26:44 -0800 (PST) From: "Xenu's Sister" Subject: Album song titles (new ones) Ok, am I the only one who somehow missed this January **2002** entry into Happy's Many Worlds journal? =============== Well, I think I'll start by disclosing the titles of the songs on my upcoming CD. FIND ME HE WON'T GO CHARLIE THE CHOSEN ONE CAN'T LET GO ONE AND MANY TREEHOUSE LITTLE BROTHER FALL I AM YOUR QUEEN HERE AND HEREAFTER SHUTDOWN One of these songs will probably not go on the CD. But I'll release it in some other form. ======================================= Vickie (obviously not the fan I thought I was, *sniff*) __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ ------------------------------ End of ecto-digest V11 #79 **************************