From: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org (ecto-digest) To: ecto-digest@smoe.org Subject: ecto-digest V11 #78 Reply-To: ecto@smoe.org Sender: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk ecto-digest Tuesday, March 22 2005 Volume 11 : Number 078 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Today's your birthday, friend... [Mike Matthews ] Re: ecto-digest V11 #77 [John Sandoval ] My stupid post ["Xenu's Sister" ] Resend: Regarding fa.music.ecto [robert bristow-johnson ] Julia Messenger [Riphug@aol.com] DCD shows [Michael Mendelson ] Re: Julia Messenger [andrew fries ] Searching ecto archives (was Re: Julia Messenger) [Chip Lueck ] Re: cd baby [Cyoakha ] The Chariot story (transcription) ["Xenu's Sister" ] RE: Guess what? Chip Lueck is NOT Wacko! (Re: Ken's work on the lyrics ["Bill Mazur" Subject: Today's your birthday, friend... i*i*i*i*i*i i*i*i*i*i*i *************** *****HAPPY********* **************BIRTHDAY********* *************************************************** *************************************************************************** ********************* John Stewart (no Email address) ********************* *************************************************************************** -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- - -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- John Stewart Sat March 21 1970 Aries Bob Brown Thu March 22 1951 Ham Valerie Nozick Thu March 25 1971 Aries Tom Proven Sat March 27 1971 Eat at Joe's Jennifer Albert Wed March 30 1966 Aries (w/Cancer rising!:) Warpaint Mon April 01 1991 Brilliant! Michael Pearce Wed April 03 1946 Pegasus Michael E. Bravo Mon April 05 1971 Dandelion Wine Brion McIntosh Sun April 06 1958 Aries Marcel Kshensky Thu April 06 1950 Aries Bill Mazur Mon April 06 1953 Aries Sun/Cancer Rising David Dixon Tue April 07 1970 Aries Heidi Heller Mon April 08 1974 Aries Jill Hughes Sat April 09 1955 Aries Klaus Kluge Sun April 10 1960 Unicorn Steve VanDevender Sun April 10 1966 Racer Art Liestman Fri April 10 1953 Repeat Stephen Golden Sat April 10 1971 Jokey Michael Bowman Wed April 11 1962 Aries Wolfgang Ullwer Fri April 11 1969 Widder Janet Kirsch Thu April 11 1974 Aries Jerry Tue April 13 1971 Aries Stuart Myerburg Mon April 14 1969 Aries T-Bone Wed April 15 1992 happy cat Jeff Hanson Sat April 16 1966 Aries Michael Klouda Mon April 17 1967 Aries Noe Venable Tue April 20 1976 Aries Harry Foster Sat April 21 1956 NiceGuy - -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2005 23:51:40 -0800 From: John Sandoval Subject: Re: ecto-digest V11 #77 Hi everyone, If it's an odd number year, it must be time for me to post... (and it's a longer post than usual...) I wanted to comment on the recent Happy/marketing thread, but having been an ecto lurker for many years after being active early on, I wasn't sure how well my comments might be received. And then Kevin comes on and posts something very close to what I was thinking... Old time Ectophiles might remember that once upon a time, I came up with the idea of Happy business cards that we could give to local record shops, friends or anyone who seemed interested in Happy's music. It was my way of trying to give back to Happy since I felt she'd given us so much with her music. Happy seemed to appreciate the thought and I know some Ectophiles out there put them to good use. But, as the years have gone by, I've come to realize that the only one who can really make Happy "successful" is Happy herself. I wouldn't presume to know what she'd define as "successful", but I've often felt that selling lots of CD's or getting tons of exposure isn't what she's looking for, or at least not on terms she isn't comfortable with. We've all had great ideas about how to get her music out and goodness knows how many people Vicki has introduced to Happy and this list over the years (I know I'll never be able to repay her for introducing me to Happy back in January '93 via Gaffa). But it all comes back to what Happy wants to do and I'm now at the point where I've, in some sense, given up on trying to or hoping she'll "make it big" because I don't know that she wants that, no matter how amazing she is or how much we might think it'd be great for her. Happy is clearly her own person and what I hope for her is what I hope for my kids, that they find the path in life that suits them, whether it's in front of millions or just for their own satisfaction. I will support her 100% on any decisions she makes, but I can't see myself working to come up with ways to help her unless she asks for it directly. Having said that, I would never discourage anyone from trying to spread Happy's music and I think people who know me know that I'm not casting any dispersions at anyone or any efforts put forward by anyone on the list. And I'm sure Happy appreciates what everyone does for her. I just think that Happy is really the one who controls her fate, regardless of what we do, and maybe our best intentions don't always align with her chosen path (to borrow Kevin's metaphor)... John P.S. As for the sampler, after dealing with the crushing realization that living 2,700 miles away from the Tin Angel makes it tough to see shows there :), I was torn about whether I should purchase one, knowing that an album will be coming out later. I decided that I'd rather go for the full thing once it's out, though downloading the mp3's from Vicki (thanks!) has made me wonder if I'd made the right decision. :) At 01:55 AM 3/21/2005 -0500, you wrote: >Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2005 02:28:41 -0500 >From: aural gratification >Subject: Re: ecto-digest V11 #76 > >Just like the rest of the world and humanity Ecto is so willing to romance >the "victimhood" of the Happy Rhodes story. Why ? Why ? Why ? >It's NOT about Albany or Woodstock or radio or retail or any of this >speculative banter. Why is the answer SO important. We all make our own beds >and then must toss and turn in them. People are responsible for their paths >and what happens to them and around them. Does anyone really believe that >the non-stop coddling and donating and hand holding is a benefit ? >Obviously it hasn't ever worked has it ? Happy is a world class A-list >artist period. Her level of success and notoriety is not really up to us at >the end of the day is it ? It's not an unfair Universe that randomly rewards >and takes away. It IS a Universe that seeks to mirror what it receives >energetically. This is Happy's experience on Earth perfectly designed by >Happy herself. This is her soul's classroom, her spirit's education. She is >not at the mercy of anything, especially the whims and ears of insignificant >places such as Woodstock or Albany, NY. I'm suprised to hear that anyone >could entertain the notion that "paths to the world" eminate from a physical >place. >kb ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 02:38:22 -0800 (PST) From: "Xenu's Sister" Subject: My stupid post I didn't mean to start anything or upset anybody with my stupid post about Albany. I actually agree with all you guys. My rant was meant for THAT time and THAT place, and not meant to "excuse" Happy's part in her not "making it" by now. Hell, she could have changed her name years ago. THAT might have done the trick, since I think her name is the biggest obstacle to people taking her seriously *before* they hear the music. But in that case, I admire her deeply for not doing it. I met the director Todd Solondz last night. I gave him some of Happy's music with a note enclosed saying something like "whenever people say Happy? Wha? I ask if they've seen Todd Solondz's film 'Happiness' and tell them that you can't always tell the depth by a name." Ok, I'm sure I worded it much better than that, but the gist is right. I would love to have seen a Vienna Teng/early Tori Amos-like touring schedule back in '96 with Kevin and Carl. That was the perfect lineup, with the perfect sound. But I guess there were cats and bills and whatnot so it was never an option for whatever reasons (and I'm not a one with any behind-the-scenes insights here... I guess and wonder and surmise just like everyone else). I've long since given up the notion that Happy can, or even should, "make it" (whatever that may mean) and my hopes and dreams follow a modest path of getting the music to as many people as possible who love her dearly, but don't know it yet because they haven't heard her yet. (It's good to see you John) Vickie __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2005 19:37:00 -0500 From: robert bristow-johnson Subject: Resend: Regarding fa.music.ecto i dunno why this didn't make it to the list last night. here it is again. in article fa.kemvmtl.12m249b@ifi.uio.no, Xenu's Sister at xenussister@yahoo.com wrote on 03/18/2005 12:35: > I forgot to change the address to ecto. Sorry about you seeing this twice > Robert. it's fine > --- robert bristow-johnson wrote: >> sorry, i'll do this only once. although my posts show up on my newsserver, >> i'm getting suspicious that they are not getting propagated. > > Hi Robert, I do hope you cut and paste your other posts here, now > that you're on the mailing list. i reposted a couple of the recent ones just now. any others you can see at Google Groups: http://groups-beta.google.com/groups?q=%22bristow-johnson%22+group:fa.music. ecto&scoring=d (unwrap the line, i hate stupid Micr$hit Outlook that always wraps lines.) >> >> perhaps is fa.music.ecto not entirely connected to the ecto mailing list? > > First, I didn't know fa.music.ecto was still up and running. Amazing. > Second, good, it brought you here! > Third, I wonder how many other people have posted, have seen their own > posts, but just assumed they were being ignored when no one said anything > to what they posted. You're very savvy to guess that the newsgroup might be > read only. no, it took me a year and a half. and woj might have told me how to do it right and the reality of that slipped by me (reinforced by the fact that my posts were showing up on google groups). i have posts going back to Nov 2003 right after Happy's Bottom Line gig where i met meth and woj. sorry you weren't there, sis. > Forth, I do hope you cut and paste your other posts here, now that > you're here. you got some of them Vickie and the others are a matter of record (Google). > Welcome! thanks. just for anybody's info, i am a nearly 50 year old, married (2 kids - girls) electrical engineering hippie-geek who has done algorithm development and coding for audio signal processing, likes cannibis, is a sorta peace-nik, and fell in love with Happy's music around the mid 90's (listening to Echoes) and saw her perform only twice, both times at the Bottom Line. - -- r b-j rbj@audioimagination.com "Imagination is more important than knowledge." ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 11:48:32 EST From: FAMarcus@aol.com Subject: Re: My stupid post/whats in a name Time, xenussister@yahoo.com writes: Hell, she could have changed her name years ago. THAT might have done the trick, since I think her name is the biggest obstacle to people taking her seriously *before* they hear the music i couldn't agree with you more. whether we like it or not we are generally judged at first on our "cover". everyone has talked about the first time they heard happy. the first time i heard her name i thought she was a he and an old school country singer. a genre i had and have no love for. strike one. at some point i found out that it wasn't the same person and my respect for what she does was sealed when i saw and heard her for the first time on a concert she did on a local cable company, prism, which was recorded at the middle east. to this day i haven't understood what her hatred is for that video as it is directly responsible for hundreds in the philadelphia area falling in love with her and her music. from that point i played her music constantly at my business and in turn influenced many others to fall in love with her. the one constant is the reaction to her name when they ask me who's playing, which was the same as my first reaction. her choice to keep her name has my respect as well but what puzzles me is what is wrong with her birth name? just on talent alone she should be huge on the world stage. decisions made to promote yourself can be the determining factor in your advancement. when happy was doing her many worlds shows here in philly i spoke to helen leicht, a dj who is directly responsible for her popularity in philadelphia when she was at WMMR. she didn't have a clue as to what happy was doing and was surprised when i told her happy was appearing at the painted bride. this was a week or two before the show. i had not heard anything from many worlds or even an older song on WXPN. i emailed the program director and called helen. i can't swear to this but i thought i heard something in helens voice......possibly a resentment that she was the last to know. without helen i dont know if she would have had a following in this area. if happy can't or won't do it she needs some one that will. someone that will make phone calls and touch people in a position to promote her. that sometimes is the difference. i respect her choices but am puzzled by them. fred ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 07:57:47 -0800 From: Tom Ditto Subject: re: *SMART* Albany folks! The fault, dear Brutus, is not in our stars but in ourselves that we are underlings. I asked for a word from the helm and got KB. His commentary does suffice. To paraphrase Shakespeare for Happy fans, boosters and rooters, the problem is not in ourselves but in our star. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 12:42:12 EST From: Riphug@aol.com Subject: Julia Messenger Since the archives don't seem to be searchable, I have to ask here: has Australian singer Julia Messenger been discussed on ecto? I was listening to a chill-out radio station the other day when they played her song "I Miss You," and I thought I was listening to Lisa Germano perhaps. In any event, she's someone to check out. Jill :D ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 11:36:36 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Mendelson Subject: DCD shows Woj frizzled: |http://www.dcddiscs.com/ |um. whoa! |have anyone attended any of these shows so far? while i'd love to splurge |and buy the entire set, that's pretty unrealistic. i'd be curious to hear |how the performances are and whether the sets vary from night to night. No, but I *did* notice that they are scheduled to play the **HOLLYWOOD BOWL** of all places in september. This is definitely *not* to be missed if you live around here... http://hollywoodbowl.com/calendar/calendar.cfm?month=9&year=2005 - -mjm __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 08:16:23 +1100 From: andrew fries Subject: Re: Julia Messenger Riphug@aol.com wrote: > Since the archives don't seem to be searchable, I have to ask here: has > Australian singer Julia Messenger been discussed on ecto? Ecto archives themselves are not searchable, but it is possible to use Google to search our usenet group fa.music.ecto. I have this page bookmarked: http://groups-beta.google.com/group/fa.music.ecto and it doesn't find any mention of Julia Messenger other than your post... but I don't know how reliable this is - do *all* posts to ecto get mirrored on fa.music.ecto? Anyhow thanks for the tip. I never heard of her despite living in Australia. I'm definitely out of touch! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 16:00:56 -0600 From: Chip Lueck Subject: Searching ecto archives (was Re: Julia Messenger) andrew fries wrote: > Riphug@aol.com wrote: > >> Since the archives don't seem to be searchable, I have to ask here: >> has Australian singer Julia Messenger been discussed on ecto? It seems that the archives on www.smoe.org are scanned by the google bot, so the following google query often will get what you want: site:www.smoe.org Your example: "julia messenger" site:www.smoe.org (You want the artist name in quotes, otherwise you will have results with all text containing both the words julia and messenger, not necessarily together. The query returned nothing, btw. ) I'm not sure how often the archives are scanned, but I did the following search: chip lueck wacko site:www.smoe.org because I knew Vickie had a message like that just recently, and it was already on Google. Hope that helps! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 16:03:30 -0800 (PST) From: "Xenu's Sister" Subject: Coupla cuts from one of the recent shows Happy hates this show (technical difficulties), so I can't put the *entire* show(s) up in "public" (as in, posting the whole thing to ecto), but here are a couple more songs. Happy has sung "The Chariot" several times in concert, but she's never before explained what the song is about, which she does here at the end of the song. After hearing this, you'll look at the song in a whole new light. "The Suicide Song" followed immediately after "The Chariot," and she doesn't perform that very often. I'd have to cull playlists to see if she's *ever* performed it before (it's possible, but I don't know playlists by heart and I have a terrible memory). I know that she didn't perform it at the 2nd show that night. http://www.wretchawry.com/happy/live/TinAngel1-29-05_1stShow/HappyRhodesLive_TinAngel1-29-05_1stShow_13_TheChariot(withstory).mp3 http://www.wretchawry.com/happy/live/TinAngel1-29-05_1stShow/HappyRhodesLive_TinAngel1-29-05_1stShow_14_TheSuicideSong.mp3 (This is some fun talk earlier in the show while they were changing Bon's amp: http://www.wretchawry.com/happy/live/TinAngel1-29-05_1stShow/HappyRhodesLive_TinAngel1-29-05_1stShow_04a_AmpChangePatter.mp3 She's making fun of her song titles. She *has* written a song starting with V: Virus on the Left Hand Demos) I know the filenames are ridiculously long. Sorry about that. The playlist for that set to show the...context of the patter. Have fun. Happy Rhodes Tin Angel - Philadelphia, PA January 29, 2005 1st show 01_Ra Is A Busy God 02_One And Many 03_Lay Me Down 04_Mercy Street 04a_Amp Change Patter 05_Pride 06_To The Funnyfarm 07_Into The West 08_Feed The Fire 09_Summer 10_Fall 11_I Have A Heart 12_The Chosen One 13_The Chariot (with story) 14_The Suicide Song 15_Cant Let Go 16_Collective Heart Sharp-eyed folks will notice that Fall is now #10, where when I posted it earlier it was #11. That's because I was going by my original playlist, where I listed the "Amp Change Patter" as #5 and everything followed from that. I still wanted the funny Amp Change Patter to be separated out of everything, but I made it 4a. There are no songs up from the 2nd show yet. Vickie __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 16:43:54 -0800 (PST) From: "Xenu's Sister" Subject: Try again I should probably mail things to myself before sending them to ecto since Yahoo doesn't have a preview function. I don't know why The Chariot is being weird. Must be the (with story) parens. Try this: http://www.wretchawry.com/happy/live/TinAngel1-29-05_1stShow/HappyRhodesLive_TinAngel1-29-05_1stShow_13_TheChariot.mp3 V __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 17:42:15 -0800 From: Cyoakha Subject: Re: cd baby just my occasional two cents, cd baby has been selling all three of my cds for over 3 years, is the only company to give me fan's emails, keep me updated on the latest news on up-loading, tips on selling and sites, weekly checks deposited right into my bank, fun and funny folk I send candy to when re-stocking Blind's CDs, totally kind and helpful, always fair and honest...and a great site overall for every artist from any genre, I just added my Lovecraft movie soundtrack (very avant) and it's selling well thru cd baby around the world. I am trying to get my old band, AZIGZA (very good Gong friends by the way) to market their second album (it's really great, a masterpiece work) thru cd baby also...CD BABY rocks, in other words. better than Borders, better than Amazon...better than any little start up I lost cds too that went under... in peace, cyoakha grace, solo, blind, azigza, druids etc.. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 19:00:50 -0800 (PST) From: "Xenu's Sister" Subject: The Chariot story (transcription) I've been meaning to do this ever since the show. Tin Angel 1-29-05 1st show concert, after performing "The Chariot," Happy said... "Let me tell you something about that song. It's called 'The Chariot' and the chariot is acutally my mother's orange Cadillac. It is. The song is, it's about my mother actually. When I was... I didn't have the good fortune of growing up with my mother. I grew up with a different mother, and um, but she would come and visit once in a while, and she was such a god-like creature to me. She smelled good, her hair was a beautiful color, she always had beautiful clothes, and she always came in a big orange Cadillac. If it wasn't orange, she'd trade it in, the next year it would be a different color, but it was always a Cadillac, and this one had a white top to it. But she would come and I'd see her coming down the road and it would be...my whole world was her and I would look forward to that. She didn't come very often unfortunately, but my whole world be coming down the street, and she'd come and she'd whisk my bothers and me away and we'd have 2 days with this wonderful-smelling, clean person, who spoke well and she had manicured nails. She was just so lovely in my eyes (she used Adorn hairspray by the way). And then she'd turn around...when it was over it was over and she'd take us back to that life, the life that was really really not good, and it was just...every time she did that it killed me, just killed me, and so that's what the song is about. When I talk about "god, here you come in your chariot" that's her, and it's, the whole thing is like how could do...how could you leave me in this situation? You'd always come and it'd always be so wonderful, and you'd give me a taste of the life that I should be having as a healthy child, you know, and you'd turn around and you'd turn your back and you'd put me back in that really horrible situation. But I just wanted to let everybody know what that song was about. I never really talked about it." (Thank you's from the audience) The Chariot How can you just turn away My spirit fades each day you make me stay God...here you come In your chariot Come to take me away Here with you The sun is brighter than it's ever been But it's time to go I hope that you'll notice how I don't glow like you Please don't take me back How can you just turn away My spirit fades each day you make me Hide my face in my disgrace I know there's life beyond this black embrace How can you just turn away How can you turn away and leave me here My spirit fades each day you make me My spirit fades each and every day you make me stay Hide my face in my disgrace And hide my face in my discrace I know there's life beyond this black embrace There's got to be another life beyond this black embrace And face the truth for once Face the truth just once for me For me I'm just a child I promise I'll be sweet I promise I'll be sweet I'm just a child I promise I'll be sweet I'm just a child I promise I'll be sweet (P) & ) 1998 Gold Circle Entertainment, Inc. Published by Hovering Slab Music (BMI) and Samson Publishing Music, lyrics, voices, instruments and arrangements - Happy Rhodes Breaks your heart, it does. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 21:40:03 -0800 From: "Bill Mazur" Subject: RE: The Chariot story (transcription) "The Chariot" is in the Top 5 of my favorite Happy songs. It always brings up a lot of emotion in me, especially with how tenderly Happy sings "I'm just a child. I promise I'll be sweet". There is something about the way she sings those lines that breaks my heart. After reading about Happy's comments on "The Chariot" it has even more impact. Thank you Vickie for sharing! - -----Original Message----- From: owner-ecto@smoe.org [mailto:owner-ecto@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Xenu's Sister Sent: Monday, March 21, 2005 7:01 PM To: ecto@smoe.org Subject: The Chariot story (transcription) I've been meaning to do this ever since the show. Tin Angel 1-29-05 1st show concert, after performing "The Chariot," Happy said... "Let me tell you something about that song. It's called 'The Chariot' and the chariot is acutally my mother's orange Cadillac. It is. The song is, it's about my mother actually. When I was... I didn't have the good fortune of growing up with my mother. I grew up with a different mother, and um, but she would come and visit once in a while, and she was such a god-like creature to me. She smelled good, her hair was a beautiful color, she always had beautiful clothes, and she always came in a big orange Cadillac. If it wasn't orange, she'd trade it in, the next year it would be a different color, but it was always a Cadillac, and this one had a white top to it. But she would come and I'd see her coming down the road and it would be...my whole world was her and I would look forward to that. She didn't come very often unfortunately, but my whole world be coming down the street, and she'd come and she'd whisk my bothers and me away and we'd have 2 days with this wonderful-smelling, clean person, who spoke well and she had manicured nails. She was just so lovely in my eyes (she used Adorn hairspray by the way). And then she'd turn around...when it was over it was over and she'd take us back to that life, the life that was really really not good, and it was just...every time she did that it killed me, just killed me, and so that's what the song is about. When I talk about "god, here you come in your chariot" that's her, and it's, the whole thing is like how could do...how could you leave me in this situation? You'd always come and it'd always be so wonderful, and you'd give me a taste of the life that I should be having as a healthy child, you know, and you'd turn around and you'd turn your back and you'd put me back in that really horrible situation. But I just wanted to let everybody know what that song was about. I never really talked about it." (Thank you's from the audience) The Chariot How can you just turn away My spirit fades each day you make me stay God...here you come In your chariot Come to take me away Here with you The sun is brighter than it's ever been But it's time to go I hope that you'll notice how I don't glow like you Please don't take me back How can you just turn away My spirit fades each day you make me Hide my face in my disgrace I know there's life beyond this black embrace How can you just turn away How can you turn away and leave me here My spirit fades each day you make me My spirit fades each and every day you make me stay Hide my face in my disgrace And hide my face in my discrace I know there's life beyond this black embrace There's got to be another life beyond this black embrace And face the truth for once Face the truth just once for me For me I'm just a child I promise I'll be sweet I promise I'll be sweet I'm just a child I promise I'll be sweet I'm just a child I promise I'll be sweet (P) & ) 1998 Gold Circle Entertainment, Inc. Published by Hovering Slab Music (BMI) and Samson Publishing Music, lyrics, voices, instruments and arrangements - Happy Rhodes Breaks your heart, it does. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 21:40:19 -0800 From: "Bill Mazur" Subject: RE: Guess what? Chip Lueck is NOT Wacko! (Re: Ken's work on the lyrics These are my thoughts on the words "Two Junes" and the rest of the lyrics for "Fall" based on a possible interpretation of what Happy is trying to convey in these lyrics. So this is all speculation on my part. Based on reading the lyrics for "Fall" and a suspicion on when this song lyric might have been written, here are my thoughts on the meaning of the words "This world lost me back two Junes". EctoFest West happened in early June 2001. This was when Happy had her devastating accident that could have ended her ability to play an instrument. She would have been still able to use her most amazing instrument, her voice, but many of her abilities to create in some specific ways could have been permanently lost to her and taken from her. In reading her thoughts at the time about the accident and EFW she seemed to definitely be depressed (understandably) about the whole situation while she was trying hard to find humor in it and keep a brave face. Then a few months later 9/11 happened and she was in NYC right around the time. That was devastating for her as well. In addition, her relationship with Kevin was ending or had recently ended. She was just beginning her friendship, musical working relationship, and eventual romantic and partnership relationship with Bob. There was a lot of turmoil and upheaval in her life. Not all negative, but huge. I feel like the song is using the tree and leaf and fall/autumn metaphor to describe all of that upheaval which had happened in her life since June 2001 and probably started before that. June 2001 and the accident was the crucial event, the nexus. "For the first time There's a garden deep Deep in my heart But it s blossomed For the last time" I think these lines speak to Happy's fear that the ability to create would not be there anymore because of being injured literally (physically and emotionally) and figuratively. Perhaps the desire to create seemed to no longer be there or perhaps she felt the Muse had left her for a time as a result of these devastating events. "Life is only good for the living" Maybe Happy felt that she wasn't really living during the time of her injury and all of the recovery she had to go through. "Time out-ran me But sleep is forgiving" I think that this speaks to the fact that, in this society, youth reigns supreme. As a truly gifted and creative person you can do your thing until you leave this life. Can you be commercially viable during that whole time period? Not the way our society functions. You have to be young and beautiful and maybe talented and definitely lucky and well networked, etc., etc., etc. Happy is going to be 40 this year. She may have had fears that her time to actually make a living at her art had passed. Sleep appears to potentially be a metaphor for ending it all or fading/drifting slowly away (at least contemplating the comfort of that possibility). I don't necessarily mean suicide. In this case it may be walking away from being the creative being that Happy is because it has been a mixed bag, both a blessing and a curse. An elusive dream? "I have a devoted cult following. Can I ever make the mainstream? Do I really want that to happen? Am I now too old for that ever to be a reality?" I haven't heard the music yet (I NEED to get a copy of the sampler) which would give me more of a sense of what the lyric might be saying. These are just my wild speculations based on the lyrics alone. I feel like these are very personal lyrics from Happy cloaked in metaphor. I don't completely feel comfortable sharing these thoughts with everyone. Some of this speculation is based on how I have felt at times. I am not sure whether any of these thoughts ring true. I don't know Happy, except through her music and what she shares on her web site. All the best! Bill - -----Original Message----- From: owner-ecto@smoe.org [mailto:owner-ecto@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Xenu's Sister Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2005 3:32 PM To: ecto@smoe.org Subject: Guess what? Chip Lueck is NOT Wacko! (Re: Ken's work on the lyrics Sources yesterday confirmed that Chip Lueck was not, in fact, as wacko as every single Ectophile thought when he shared his interpretation that the song "Fall" was about foliage. Happy Rhodes gave the lyrics to the song to a member of her Collective Heart and confirmed that the foilage imagry was correct. She was also highly impressed with Ectophile Ken Descoteaux for hearing the words "two Junes" but declined to elaborate at this time about the meaning of those words or the song as a whole. Rhodes also did not clarify the questions Ectophiles has about the words spoken by the opening shadowy voices. ======= FALL ======== In Out (?) In Out (?) (indistinct voices) All my worries here are through I give all my colour to you This world lost me back two Junes I surrender All hope to youth When the moon comes up I go down For the first time Theres a garden deep Deep in my heart But its blossomed For the last time Cold is mercy Heavy and sweet Leaves make my blanket, root at my feet Life is only good for the living Time out-ran me But sleep is forgiving When the moon comes up I go down For the first time Theres a garden deep Deep in my heart But it's blossomed For the last time Will the angels cry Over my past Or over my love Bringing him moss To remember me by Sleep - --- Chip Lueck wrote: > Ken Descoteaux wrote: > > Deciphering the lyrics is tricky especially when you aren't sure what > > the song is actually about. After I transcribed Fall I realized that I > > had had no clue what the song was about beforehand, and I'm still unsure > > afterwords. > > My interpretation of this song was that she was singing from the > perspective of a tree, but after having more of the lyrics deciphered, > it seems more like she's a leaf. Of course, I've been accused of > looking at things through wackovision, so it might be nothing of the sort... > > Chip I couldn't take it anymore. I wrote and asked her about specific lines and phrases, and told her that the "Fall" was pretty much a mass of question marks. She wrote with several different corrections and additions and I've update the lyrics pages at http://www.wretchawry.com/happy/lyrics/index.html. It wasn't that I thought Chip was on the wrong path, I just didn't understand enough of the song to get how he even came to that interpretation in the first place. That's why I had to write Happy. HUGE kudos to Chip and Ken for their excellent hearing. 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