From: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org (ecto-digest) To: ecto-digest@smoe.org Subject: ecto-digest V11 #71 Reply-To: ecto@smoe.org Sender: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk ecto-digest Wednesday, March 16 2005 Volume 11 : Number 071 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: First time hearing Happy (RE: ecto-digest V11 #69) [Joseph Zitt ] a small Ectoquest, he said, at 3:45AM [kerrywhite@webtv.net (kerry white)] Recent changes to the Ectophiles' Guide ["The Ectophiles' Guide" ] Re: First time hearing Happy ["Marcel Rijs" ] Now here is a web page I just love... [Doug ] Re: First time hearing Happy [Michael Pearce ] Re: First time hearing Happy [Chip Lueck ] Ken's work on the lyrics ["Xenu's Sister" ] Let's try those Fall mp3s again, shall we? ["Xenu's Sister" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 23:45:16 -0800 From: Joseph Zitt Subject: Re: First time hearing Happy (RE: ecto-digest V11 #69) It's funny, but I don't recall hearing Happy's voice for the first time. I do remember getting the disc, though: It was Warpaint, spotted for $3.99 in the used discs bin at Half Price Books on the Drag in Austin, TX, in the second row from the left, four discs from the back of the bin. (These things remain in my memory, pushing out stuff like my phone number.) I know that I fell in love with the music immediately, but don't remember doing so. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 23:47:38 -0800 From: Joseph Zitt Subject: Re: First time hearing Happy (LONG) (RE: ecto-digest V11 #69) Tom Servo wrote: >So sometime in 1996 I was at a Borders with some >friends, and they had "Rhodesongs" on a listening >station. > And when the new album comes out, I'll be sure to have it as a Staff Recommendation in ours... assuming that the mysterious corporate gnomes decide to carry it, and that we still have Staff Recommendations (*everything's* changing). n.p. Savina Yannatou: Terra Nostra ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 03:00:05 -0500 (EST) From: Mike Matthews Subject: Today's your birthday, friend... i*i*i*i*i*i i*i*i*i*i*i *************** *****HAPPY********* **************BIRTHDAY********* *************************************************** *************************************************************************** ******************* Randall K. Smith (no Email address) ******************* *************************************************************************** -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- - -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Randall K. Smith Sat March 15 1969 Pisces Jessica Skolnik March 16 Pisces Alan Sodoma Thu March 18 1965 LuckyLurker Richard Konrad Sat March 18 1944 Pisces Daniel Wed March 18 1959 Wednesday's Child Barry Wong Thu March 19 1970 Merlin Graham Dombkins Fri March 19 1965 Pisces Ian Young Wed March 19 1969 Squiggol Jeff Wasilko Wed March 19 1969 Pisces Geoff Carre Sat March 20 1954 Pisces John Stewart Sat March 21 1970 Aries Bob Brown Thu March 22 1951 Ham Valerie Nozick Thu March 25 1971 Aries Tom Proven Sat March 27 1971 Eat at Joe's Jennifer Albert Wed March 30 1966 Aries (w/Cancer rising!:) Warpaint Mon April 01 1991 Brilliant! Michael Pearce Wed April 03 1946 Pegasus Michael E. Bravo Mon April 05 1971 Dandelion Wine Brion McIntosh Sun April 06 1958 Aries Marcel Kshensky Thu April 06 1950 Aries Bill Mazur Mon April 06 1953 Aries Sun/Cancer Rising David Dixon Tue April 07 1970 Aries Heidi Heller Mon April 08 1974 Aries Jill Hughes Sat April 09 1955 Aries Klaus Kluge Sun April 10 1960 Unicorn Steve VanDevender Sun April 10 1966 Racer Art Liestman Fri April 10 1953 Repeat Stephen Golden Sat April 10 1971 Jokey Michael Bowman Wed April 11 1962 Aries Wolfgang Ullwer Fri April 11 1969 Widder Janet Kirsch Thu April 11 1974 Aries Jerry Tue April 13 1971 Aries Stuart Myerburg Mon April 14 1969 Aries T-Bone Wed April 15 1992 happy cat - -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 03:49:27 -0600 From: kerrywhite@webtv.net (kerry white) Subject: a small Ectoquest, he said, at 3:45AM Hi, A question for some one with musical knowledge: what is the 'time signature' or some other phrase that identifies a certain "Boom--Chick Boom--Chick ala STARS ON 45. It is an archtypical sound of Disco that grates on my very being. I had to sell a copy of ROYSKOPP because it was tainted. I don't hate dance music. I just got some ANAYA from Brazil, a MOBY/ENYA clone who also has heard some MOBIUS, REDOLUS AND PLANCK (sp?). I'm up too late! Bye, KrW I'm Peter Pan! I'm perpetually young!! OW!! What's wrong with my back? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 04:15:49 -0800 From: "The Ectophiles' Guide" Subject: Recent changes to the Ectophiles' Guide Latest changes to the Ectophiles' Guide 14 March 2005 New Guide entries added for: * Dudley * Scott Merritt Changes made to the entries for: * Cowboy Junkies (new album) * Kathleen Edwards (new album) * Hem (new album) * Ivy (new album) * (new album) * The Nields (final live album) * Shivaree (new album) - -------------------------------------------------------------------------- You are receiving this email because you have asked to be notified of updates to the Ectophiles' Guide to Good Music at http://www.ectoguide.org/. If you are no longer interested in receiving these notifications, please unsubscribe yourself using the form at http://www.ectoguide.org/guide.cgi?newsubscribe&action=unsubscribe ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 09:50:02 -0500 From: rich.rapp@effem.com Subject: Happy's Sampler Disk from the Tin Angel .... Hello all I did manage to go to the Tin Angel for Happy's show and bought one extra copy of the Sampler CD which Happy was kind enough to autograph. If someone from my birth state of Calif is interested in it for the same cost of $15.00, please email me off line and I'll get it out to you. Cheersl Rich Rapp rich.rapp@effem.com [now a South-Jerseyite] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 10:18:12 -0500 From: Ken Descoteaux Subject: stab at Fall lyrics Fall quiet: (In... Out..) <= this could be almost anything it's so quiet quiet: (In... Out..) All my worries here are through I give all my color to you This world lost me back two Junes (?) I surrender all hope to youth (you?) When the Moon comes up I go down Fall the first time There's a garden deep Deep in my heart But it's blossomed for the last time Calm(cold?) is mercy heavy and sweet Please make the blanket ?? move my feet ?? Life is only a room(mood?) for the living Time ne'r ending (?) Sleep is forgiven When the Moon comes up I go down Fall the first time There's a garden deep Deep in my heart But it's blossomed for the last time Will the angels cry Over my past? Or over my love? Bringing him lust To remember me by Sleep ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 20:43:10 +0100 From: "Marcel Rijs" Subject: Re: First time hearing Happy Funny how the words "ripple effect" have already been used. If one thing is clear from this mailing list, it's that a local artist like Happy can really make a global impact through the wonders of the internet. That's the first remark that springs to my mind when I tell you of the first time I listened to Happy. Keep in mind: I live in the Netherlands! That's quite a few miles away from Albany... Way back in 1993, I got connected to the internet as a result of a friend giving me her old computer. It was one of those 8086's, in a time when the 386 and 486 models were already conquering the market. It was my first computer, I didn't know the first thing about these things and I was really excited because I could finally play silly games like Prince of Persia and Lemmings - albeit in black and white. My friend Marion, whom I met thanks to both of us liking the music by Black, was already into the internet by then, as a member of various mailing lists. She showed me the workings of these mailing lists one night and right then I knew I had to get connected. At first I did this through Compuserve, via text-only because that was the only thing my pc could handle then. I wanted to get on to the Twin Peaks mailing list, the Kate Bush mailing list and a few others, and so I did. Near the end of 1993, this name kept popping up every once in a while: Happy Rhodes. Supposedly, she would sound a lot like Kate Bush. Now I'd heard that a few times before, with artists like Beverley Craven, Kerri Anderson, and numerous others which I've long forgotten, but none of those comparisons were very truthful. So I was *very* skeptical when I finally decided to try and check out this artist. I would have imagined this to be very difficult, but luckily I was studying at the University of Amsterdam that year. (The study only lasted one year: my learning skills were not so well developed and I had already finished library school so after the one year I settled on doing that for a living) I went to Fame, the biggest music store in the Netherlands (Although 'least tiny' is probably a better descriptions for you people who are used to HMV, Tower and other megastores). To my surprise, they actually stocked a few Happy Rhodes cd's! I decided to try 'Rhodesongs' as it looked a bit like a sampler, unlike the other two: 'I' and 'II'. I politely asked if I could listen to this cd - something which is quite possible in Dutch stores but I never did this - and when I got to hear track 1 of the cd I was stunned. You are familiar with the intro of 'Feed the fire', but now imagine hearing this for the first time and being enamoured by this instantly in the middle of a busy, thriving record shop with people around you checking out and paying for their stuff. I didn't even listen to much of the other tracks. I simply listened to 'Feed the fire' for almost the entire track, then bought the disc and asked if they would get more cd's from Happy in stock. "Sure", the man said, "I think we're the only shop in Amsterdam selling her cd's and we're just out of them, but next week we expect to get a new shipment". I think it's about the only time when I valued this shop. I had the most painful, annoying trainride home to The Hague. Two hours later, I was listening to the cd. And again. And again. A few days into this experience I knew I had to get the other cd's as well. Having seen 'I' in the store and seeing five other titles being mentioned on the back of the cd, I knew I would have to fork out 240 guilders in a relatively short period. A lot of money for someone who had only 50 guilders a month to spare. I can truly say that it was worth it. Every time I bought a cd it was a feast. Meanwhile, I also got to know the term 'HappyVangelizing'. I think I did my part. Of course, Marion was my first victim, but there have been more. Almost all of them have wanted to get their own hands on her cd's, which in the last few years has become harder (at least in the Netherlands) and easier (simply order online!). Most recently, a colleague fell victim to me when she said she liked October Project. That was one of precious few times I've heard that name here. When she heard Happy, she said the same thing most of us have said at some point: "Has Kate Bush recorded a new duet?". Kind regards, Marcel Rijs - marcel.rijs@kb.nl afd. Communicatie - Communication department Koninklijke Bibliotheek - National Library of the Netherlands Website - http://www.kb.nl ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 13:56:40 -0600 From: Doug Subject: Now here is a web page I just love... http://www.cdbaby.com/flavor - -- Doug "Instructions are for people who don't know what they are doing" - Bob the Builder ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 12:38:06 -0800 From: Michael Pearce Subject: Re: First time hearing Happy Ah, the sound of memories being flogged. I joined this list before I even heard Happy. I had been a KaTefan(tm) since I first heard her in 1985 but have no memory of how I stumbled upon the list. It sure was home to me, though, because it focused on artists I already loved, and turned me on to so many new ones - at a time it was responsible for 95% of my CDs. But Happy's first CDs were out, with the reissues being available too. I sent for a couple of them, still not having heard her, and when they arrived, well, you all experienced the same droppage of jaw that I did. My first thought, "Why isn't this woman a superstar??" I proceeded to turn on everyone _I_ knew to her and bought all the rest of the CDs. At the time there were 6 listmembers here in Portland, and we got together occasionally to play and trade. I got a bunch of the early tape-trade projects in Ecto, too. Still have all the Birthday Project tapes I got, and I contributed a local musician (McKinley) to ecto-consciousness and also turned Cyoakha onto us and us onto her. She is still active here! (BTW, McKinley is now part of a 4-woman group called Dirty Martini. No recordings yet, though. No relation to Pink Martini, another Portland band worthy of Ecto attention.) Thinking about those tapes, I have a ripping job ahead of me. I have not been keeping up with many of the new people mentioned here the last few years, though. Maybe we need to set up a trading scheme (or a secret MP3 stash site where we can put a few tracks from our favorites to share). Michael ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 18:33:32 -0600 From: Chip Lueck Subject: Re: First time hearing Happy "Oh memories, aren't they fun, fun like a..." well, in this case *NOT* like a heart attack. I can trace my first hearing of Happy to Vickie as well. But let's go back way before that. This will be long, but the whole story will show how hearing Happy had such an impact on my musical world. I grew up in a very religious family, and "secular" music was frowned upon. No, verboten, actually. I went to a private school, and the only music I really ever heard was religious in nature or classical. I certainly heard stuff on the radio in stores, etc., but never paid any attention. Finally, about the 80's I started hearing stuff that was interesting, and I could probably hum along with all the Top 40 stuff, though I couldn't tell you who sang what.... that's how much I paid attention. I still didn't have much of an interest in music, though; it was just a passive thing (I didn't own any albums, tapes or 45's). In 1986 I got an apartment with a friend of mine, and he had quite a music collection. There was always something really interesting playing, and none of it was anything like what I heard on the radio. This was start of my musical interest -- when I realized that what was on the radio was only the tip of the iceberg of what was out there. I started talking about music with people I worked with, etc., and one co-worker told me about Kate Bush. It happened to be pay day, and I went to a record store and found only one album by this Kate person, so I bought it. It was "The Kick Inside". When I put it in and heard the whales, and then THAT VOICE, I was mesmerized. I played that tape over and over and over. I started trying to find out more about Kate, but in Kenosha, Wis., there was not much. I eventually found all her albums up through "Hounds of Love", and she became my favorite artist. When "The Sensual World" came out, I got it too, but I never really knew if I had all her albums, or if there were more out there. By that point in my life, my dinky tape collection consisted of U2, Depeche Mode, Billy Joel and Kate Bush. Fast forward a few years, and I'm now living in Chicago and working at Northwestern University. I have this email account that somehow is connected to this thing called the Internet and the rest of the world, but I have no idea what that means to me, and my life. Somehow (and I don't even know how), I learned about mailing lists, and was excited to no end to find there was a discussion group devoted to Kate Bush. Those first few days of reading Love Hounds was an amazing time. I learned everything I wanted to know about Kate, and started making other discoveries... like Peter Gabriel. Then this crazy woman Vickie (which I say with love & respect!) who seemed to be really active on the group kept talking about this artist Happy Rhodes. I worked across the street from Rose Records, so on my lunch break I walked over there, found the Warpaint CD (I had graduated from tapes -- heck, is was 1991!), and bought it. I didn't know that one couldn't just walk into any old record store and find a Happy Rhodes CD. I later learned that Vickie had a lot to do with getting Rose Records to stock Happy. But that's another story. When I got home, I started the CD, and was sucked in immediately. I was as mesmerized as when I first heard Kate. I instantly heard the similarities in Happy's voice, but I also heard so much more. I even liked the voice of that other woman singing (or was it a man?). :-) Soon after I got Warpaint, ecto was formed, and I joined it, and doing that really did change my little world. I found a group of people who knew so much about music, and I was learning that I had the same tastes. There were all these artists' names being thrown around, and for a while, I pretty much just bought anything even remotely mentioned on ecto (like I read that Happy was influenced by Wendy Carlos, Yes and Queen. Run out and buy Wendy Carlos, Yes and Queen... etc.) Soon after joining ecto I got to meet Vickie -- we actually lived only a couple miles a part! I first met her & Chris at a Katemas party in July of 1991, just one month after the start of ecto. That was an amazing experience in itself! I had Kate overload. I watched video after video of rare stuff. I was *so* lucky to have Vickie & Chris nearby, and they were so gracious and kind in sharing. And what a collection of stuff! I mention that I just started listening to Milla. Vickie pulls out a tape with endless Milla interviews on various programs. It was so cool to discover new music, but I was also getting lot more insight into the artists I was discovering. I was also lucky because Vickie had a radio show in Chicago that I could listen to, and get exposed to even more cool stuff. (Let's not even start talking about Twin Peaks or The Stand. M-O-O-N, that spells yet another story). So, that first time hearing Happy Rhodes, and the subsequent subscription to ecto has significantly changed my understanding, respect and love of music. Today, I'm *always* listening to music. I feel naked without something playing. I'm sure that even without ecto my music collection would consist of more than just U2, Depeche Mode, Billy Joel and Kate Bush. I'm sure I would have even gravitated towards ectoish stuff. However, my collection and interests would not be nearly as diverse. Nor would I have met (both virtually and in real life) so many cool and interesting people. That is how it was, and is. Chip ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 19:12:13 -0800 (PST) From: "Xenu's Sister" Subject: Ken's work on the lyrics Ken sent me some VERY important corrections and suggestions in email. I've updated the lyrics pages at http://www.wretchawry.com/happy/lyrics/index.html If you've been there recently and nothing looks different, refresh your browser. It was a personal email, but they concern the lyrics and he sent Fall here anyway, so Ken, I hope you don't mind. I'm answering you in Ecto. Ken's corrections and suggestions are in square brackets. Hi Ken, thanks for taking a stab at the songs! - --- Ken Descoteaux wrote: > > She Won't Go > After all the (pleading)[bleeding] It's definitely "pleading", because I specifically asked Happy about this word. I couldn't take it anymore and HAD to know what she was saying. It does sometimes sound like "dreaming" to me. > Shes screaming that (this song)[her soul] isnt complete I think you're right, "her soul" fits better. > Who's gonna keep her full moon blue [I hear this line twice and no line with move or moving]] You've got good ears!! You're absolutely right. It was singing the line 2 different ways that threw me. > She'd rather brood or throw tantrums in my (way)[brain] Way might not be right, it doesn't sound perfect, but it's not brain. There's no "bR" sound or an "aiN" sound. > One and Many > Lately I am just (bald)[cold] like tundra Yes, it's cold! Thank you! > Find an exit (fast)[path?] Maybe. Part of the time my brain hears a "st" sound and part of the time it hears a "th" sound. > > (Wake up from its bed for)[Makeup? couldn't take all] my heavy work Don't know about this one at all. > > Charlie > > (Background: This was a man who I used to fight with/(that) I had survived with?) I don't know. > in succumbing to grief > and get comfortable > in your limbo YES YES YES! Exactly! Thank you so much! > Can't Let Go > > There must be (an answer)[a nicer] > (A) thought to believe a nicer thought to believe. Right again! > Fall > > quiet: (In... Out..) > > quiet: (In... Out..) HAH!!! I'm sitting here laughing. I NEVER NOTICED that there was a voice at the beginning! You either have amazing good ears, or the most kick ass sound system. Or both! I think the only way to hear this is on headphones turned up loud. > > All my worries here are through are through, yes, sounds right > I give all my color to you > This world lost me back two Junes Could be. It could refer to a specific time, since I have no idea what the song's about. For some reason I had "colors." I don't know why. It's obvious it's color. > I surrender all hope to youth (you?) Not sure. I added it as a possibility. > > When the Moon comes up > I go down > Fall Fall instead of For. Of course! > the first time > There's garden deep > Deep in my heart > But it's blossomed for > the last time > > Calm(cold?) is mercy Yes, cold is sounds much more likely. > heavy and sweet > Please make the blanket > move my feet This is all very odd and nonsensical, but yours sounds better than mine. The word "move' is problematical. There's a "t" sound in there. > > Life is only a room(?) > for the living good sounds better than room to my ears, but I don't think either is right. > Time near ending ? Or n'er ending. Or something completely different. > Sleep is forgiven There's a very quick "But" at the beginning of that, and it sounds like "forgiving" to me. > > Will the angels cry > Over my past > Or over my love? I think love is right. > Bringing him lust I don't think either love or lust is right. > To remember me by > > Sleep Beautiful ending, isn't it? For such a simple song, it's pretty obscure! I am slowly working to extract mp3s from the recent concerts. Here are the 2 versions of "Fall." They don't shed a lot of light on the lyrics, but they're mighty pretty. http://wretchawry.com/happy/live/HappyRhodes_TinAngel1-29-05_1stshow_Fall.mp3 (this is just an audience recording) http://wretchawry.com/happy/live/HappyRhodes_TinAngel1-29-05_2ndshow_.mp3 (this is a board feed, sounds better) > Anyway, in The Chosen One, I don't hear the "to" before the somebody in these lines. > I hear it as I have it here: > But I long to be important... > somebody The advantage of having a live recording, she sings "to." But yeah, it's obscured on the CD. I don't have those songs extracted yet. > I can't make out the line at the end of the song. I want to hear > "prince" instead of breeze but don't.... On the other hand, this is not any clearer to me hearing a live version either. THANK YOU SO MUCH! I've updated the web pages. Vickie Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 20:12:40 -0800 (PST) From: "Xenu's Sister" Subject: Let's try those Fall mp3s again, shall we? Here are the correct versions (these should have ID3 tags now, and it might help if I included the name of the song on the 2nd one. I capped "Show" to differentiate between the ones I just posted): http://wretchawry.com/happy/live/HappyRhodesLive_TinAngel1-29-05_1stShow_11_Fall.mp3 (this is just an audience recording) http://wretchawry.com/happy/live/HappyRhodesLive_TinAngel1-29-05_2ndShow_11_Fall.mp3 (this is a board feed, sounds better) I have most of the 1st show extracted into mp3s, and only a couple of songs from the 2nd show. It is happening though. I have much more space now than I did with the New Haven house concert, but it would still be nice to have a mirror for the whole shows, if anyone can offer. (*blinks eyes and smiles sweetly at Yngve*) Vickie __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Get it on your mobile phone. http://mobile.yahoo.com/maildemo ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 23:05:04 -0700 From: "Peter Clark" Subject: Fw: more new music Where? Peter C - -= High Performance Analogue =- www.redpoint-audio-design.com - ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Zimmer" To: "ecto" Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2005 8:02 PM Subject: Re: more new music : fish wrote: : : > Nicola Hitchcock (Ex-Mandalay) - Passive Aggressive - January : : This is very cool news. I just discovered Mandalay a couple of months : ago, when Radioparadise.com played a cut off of _Solace_ (don't recall : them being discussed here before, which proves nothing of course :). A : few days later I managed to score a used copy of it locally. Nicola's : quavery vibrato may (and probably does) drive some people up the wall, : but it definitely works for me. I'm very intrigued to hear what she'll : sound like solo. ------------------------------ End of ecto-digest V11 #71 **************************