From: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org (ecto-digest) To: ecto-digest@smoe.org Subject: ecto-digest V11 #25 Reply-To: ecto@smoe.org Sender: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk ecto-digest Wednesday, January 26 2005 Volume 11 : Number 025 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Aimee Mann Live at St. Ann's Warehouse [Greg Bossert ] Silence vs Song ["Lyle Howard" ] Re: Silence vs Song [Neile Graham ] Re: New Tori Amos leaked! [Alan ] RE: Silence vs Song ["Bill Adler" ] Re: Silence vs Song [Daniel Knoff ] RE: Silence vs Song ["Green, Patrick" ] Re: Silence vs Song [Bernie Mojzes ] happy [hkhill ] Re: happy [Bernie Mojzes ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 23:47:08 -0800 From: Greg Bossert Subject: Aimee Mann Live at St. Ann's Warehouse did Amiee's "Live at St. Ann's Warehouse" get mentioned here? i snagged it for myself when i was in Boston for the holidays. i think it is great, but then again Aimee is total comfort food for me. a couple of friends who walked in while i was watching -- and who were previously less fanatic about ms. Mann -- pronounced themselves blown away. the sound on the DVD is superb, verging on extraordinary. (at the last Audio Engineering Society meeting there were many predictions that 5.1 audio was going to explode in the coming year, prodded by the move towards surround sound in cars and on computer setups. i think that is great news...) the performances don't wander far from the recorded versions, but then again, Aimee tends towards tightly crafted, viciously clever pop arrangements that are as much a part of the song as the melodies or lyrics. there are a couple of new songs. neither were astonishing, but they're growing on me... i'm glad to say that -- in contrast to the bizarre edit of Professional Widow on Tori's DVD -- Aimee's liberal use of emphatic anglo-saxon, in songs or in between, is left intact. the version with a bonus CD is worth grabbing, even if they did leave Red Vines off the CD. grumble. - -g - -- "i've never been afraid to change the circumstances of the world" - -- Happy Rhodes [demime 0.97c-p1 removed an attachment of type application/pkcs7-signature which had a name of smime.p7s] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 18:35:12 +0000 From: "Lyle Howard" Subject: Silence vs Song O the cowman and the farmer can be friends. Actually I have been enjoying the rather subdued debate about ambient sound and song. I am a practitioner of both approaches to being. I have spent several years with earphones on listening to cassettes or drifting to sleep with the transistor radio blaring away-- once spending a summer sitting on a tractor, plowing fields while the faithful transistor blasted out Glen Campbell, Joe South, Motown, and ghastly pop songs. Watching nature red in tooth and claw while listening to AM pop can certainly give you a surreal perspective. What pop song goes best with the experience of watching a hawk plummet from the sky to snatch up an uncautious rabbit? Just as well this experience was happening at the peak of the Vietnam experience. I like to think I got a tiny taste of what it was like living in a green hell to the soundtrack of Jimi Hendrix. But I digress. I came up with a compromise yesterday as I was walking through my neighborhood and nearby park. I could hear the cars in the distance, the grackles complaining to the starlings, the wind rushing past my ears, the water lapping in the pond. But I also heard K. D. Lang singing a lovely song, the chorus repeating over and over in my head. The only transistors at work were the biological ones in my brain. I had just spent the previous day listening obsessively to this particular song so as to work out the chords on my guitar. Towards the end of my walk I attempted to conjure up two other songs I'm working on, but failed. Apparently I only have one small track in my gray matter IPod. I suggest you flood yourself with a particular album you would like to hear and then take off on your nature walk with ears wide open. I suspect with some practice you could get quite good at remembering songs as you take in the sounds of nature. On a related note, I read a nice review of _The Quest for Consciousness: A Neurobiological Approach_ by Christof Koch in NY Times Book Review. Makes me want to read the book but I can't bring myself to lay out the forty bucks for the hardback. Will have to wait for the library to get a copy. Bye, Lyle ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 10:58:48 -0800 (PST) From: Neile Graham Subject: Re: Silence vs Song Lyle says: > Actually I have been enjoying the rather subdued debate about ambient sound > and song. I am a practitioner of both approaches to being. I'm with Lyle on this (complicated by the fact that I hate earphones of all natures so I have never joined the ipod/walkman revolution). But I totally understand the need to have music during routine travelling of any kind. Yes, listening's good and connects you with the world, but what about when you have enough connection with the world and need or simply want to be taken out of it with music AND THE MUSIC ISN'T THERE! ARGH! An ectophile's nightmare, in my opinion. - --Neile - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- neile@drizzle.com / neile@sff.net .... http://www.sff.net/people/neile Editor, The Ectophiles' Guide to Good Music . http://www.ectoguide.org Workshop Administrator, Clarion West ...... http://www.clarionwest.org ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 14:17:42 -0800 From: Alan Subject: Re: New Tori Amos leaked! On Mon, 2005-01-24 at 23:19 -0500, JoAnn Whetsell wrote: > Alan wrote:It makes me wonder if this album was influenced by the same > pressures that censored the "Sunny Florida" DVD. Can you (or anyone) say > more about this? I hadn't heard about it. JoAnn On the Sunny Florida DVD, the song "Starfucker" is censored to the point of being unintelligible. I have a hard time believing that Tori would allow putting the song on the DVD in such a mangled state, thus there must be some sort of record company interference going on. Since some Americans have become hypersensitive about anything "naughty", it is not a big surprise. - -- "Australia was founded as a penal colony. America was founded as an insane asylum." ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 16:33:18 -0500 From: "Bill Adler" Subject: RE: Silence vs Song Living in a city, I find that my iPod is a good antidote to traffic noise. But even more -- I use my iPod to overpower and tune out the songs that a lot of stores play. Our local chain drugstore, CVS, has the worst taste in music! - --Bill n.p. Elane, The Fire of Glenvore ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 13:49:44 -0600 From: Daniel Knoff Subject: Re: Silence vs Song Lyle Howard wrote: > Watching nature red in tooth and claw while > listening to AM pop can certainly give you a surreal perspective. What > pop song goes best with the experience of watching a hawk plummet from > the sky to snatch up an uncautious rabbit? Not pop, but Cowboy Junkies' Good Friday works well. "What will I tell you when you ask me why I'm crying? Will I point above at the Red Tail gracefully soaring or down below where its' prey is quietly trembling?" ;-) Dan ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 19:37:44 -0600 From: "Green, Patrick" Subject: RE: Silence vs Song Lyle, as a fellow dweller of North Texas, I hope we may meet someday. Some time ago, and just for an experiment, I ceased listening to music at all. Oh hard it was, not to get the fix, not to turn to the solace I could rely on to mend the weariness of another day spent in the box inside the box inside yet another box that is my office. But I wondered what mind could do when the flavor of its food suddenly changed, when the input on which it depends just went away. At first I'd busy my head with favored tunes in the silence of my room, sing out loud when I felt secure no other could hear me croon, eventually DJ'ing my own mental mix in the blending of one significant lick with another from an entirely different group. But as I passed through the world without the soundtrack of Ecto girls I found an unexpected pearl - pieces of music caught in cracks of an otherwise busy mass as they went ceaselessly burning the energy of mother earth. The raw material of life, when gathered not through sight, but the sounds that it makes as it sparks to life, creates a sort of constant show - a steady subliminal flow of percussion, harmony, pitch and tone. It seemed a master score, an orchestra just below all the music I thought I should know. Like when I was a child, staring at the sky and my eyes would find the dragons, ships and kites that had no more form than the clouds from which they were born, placed there by the only possible source - the one who'd been looking all along. Patrick S Green ~Targetbase~ 972.506.3730 - -----Original Message----- From: owner-ecto@smoe.org on behalf of Lyle Howard Sent: Tue 1/25/2005 12:35 PM To: ecto@smoe.org Subject: Silence vs Song O the cowman and the farmer can be friends. Actually I have been enjoying the rather subdued debate about ambient sound and song. I am a practitioner of both approaches to being. I have spent several years with earphones on listening to cassettes or drifting to sleep with the transistor radio blaring away-- once spending a summer sitting on a tractor, plowing fields while the faithful transistor blasted out Glen Campbell, Joe South, Motown, and ghastly pop songs. Watching nature red in tooth and claw while listening to AM pop can certainly give you a surreal perspective. What pop song goes best with the experience of watching a hawk plummet from the sky to snatch up an uncautious rabbit? Just as well this experience was happening at the peak of the Vietnam experience. I like to think I got a tiny taste of what it was like living in a green hell to the soundtrack of Jimi Hendrix. But I digress. I came up with a compromise yesterday as I was walking through my neighborhood and nearby park. I could hear the cars in the distance, the grackles complaining to the starlings, the wind rushing past my ears, the water lapping in the pond. But I also heard K. D. Lang singing a lovely song, the chorus repeating over and over in my head. The only transistors at work were the biological ones in my brain. I had just spent the previous day listening obsessively to this particular song so as to work out the chords on my guitar. Towards the end of my walk I attempted to conjure up two other songs I'm working on, but failed. Apparently I only have one small track in my gray matter IPod. I suggest you flood yourself with a particular album you would like to hear and then take off on your nature walk with ears wide open. I suspect with some practice you could get quite good at remembering songs as you take in the sounds of nature. On a related note, I read a nice review of _The Quest for Consciousness: A Neurobiological Approach_ by Christof Koch in NY Times Book Review. Makes me want to read the book but I can't bring myself to lay out the forty bucks for the hardback. Will have to wait for the library to get a copy. Bye, Lyle [ALERT] -- Access Manager: This email is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain information that is privileged, confidential or otherwise protected from disclosure. Dissemination, distribution or copying of this e-mail or the information herein by anyone other than the intended recipient, or an employee or agent responsible for delivering the message to the intended recipient, is prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please immediately notify us by calling our North American Help Desk at (972)506-3939. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 21:51:17 -0500 (EST) From: Bernie Mojzes Subject: Re: Silence vs Song On Tue, 25 Jan 2005, Lyle Howard wrote: > But I digress. I came up with a compromise yesterday as I was walking > through my neighborhood and nearby park. I could hear the cars in the > distance, the grackles complaining to the starlings, the wind rushing past > my ears, the water lapping in the pond. But I also heard K. D. Lang singing > a lovely song, the chorus repeating over and over in my head. The only > transistors at work were the biological ones in my brain. I had just spent > the previous day listening obsessively to this particular song so as to work > out the chords on my guitar. Towards the end of my walk I attempted to > conjure up two other songs I'm working on, but failed. Apparently I only > have one small track in my gray matter IPod. back before i owned any sort of mobile music source (when i was in high school, only people in a certain income bracket owned walkmans (walkmen?)), i used to be really good at being able to reproduce music in my head. i remember listening to _tales from topographic oceans_ on a long plane trip, in my head. kind of an interesting excercise. can still do that with some songs, and sometimes it's nice to turn off the sound and play back the memories. - -- brni i don't want the world, i just want your half. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 22:08:02 -0500 From: hkhill Subject: happy What is the date of Happy's show in Philly again? And did I read correctly that the new album is almost ready?? Can I start my happy dance now Holly ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 22:22:20 -0500 (EST) From: Bernie Mojzes Subject: Re: happy saturday, the 29th. http://www.tinangel.com/schedule.html brni On Tue, 25 Jan 2005, hkhill wrote: > What is the date of Happy's show in Philly again? > > And did I read correctly that the new album is almost ready?? Can I > start my happy dance now > > Holly > - -- brni i don't want the world, i just want your half. ------------------------------ End of ecto-digest V11 #25 **************************