From: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org (ecto-digest) To: ecto-digest@smoe.org Subject: ecto-digest V10 #121 Reply-To: ecto@smoe.org Sender: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk ecto-digest Friday, April 30 2004 Volume 10 : Number 121 Today's Subjects: ----------------- **Reminder: Rachael Sage @ Arlene's/NYC Tonight!** [SpiritWe@aol.com] Re: Barney Parker [Tom Ditto ] RE: another side of spam ["Collected Sounds" <2345@collectedsounds.com>] RE: another side of spam [Nadyne Mielke ] Re: Another virus from "owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org" !! [fingerpuppets ] Re: Another virus from "owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org" !! [fingerpuppets ] RE: another side of spam ["neal copperman" ] Re: another side of spam [Hooplessly Unfroody ] Re: another side of spam [neal copperman ] Carina and Martina Topley-Bird ["London, Sherry" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 09:26:20 EDT From: SpiritWe@aol.com Subject: **Reminder: Rachael Sage @ Arlene's/NYC Tonight!** Just a gentle (whh-chhhh!) last-minute reminder...really hope to see some of y'all there. This is a very groovy benefit for MusiCares and features a stellar lineup of our favorite GoGirls artists including: Jenn Elliot, Emiko and Allison Cipris. *Plus* Rachael will be playing with her "chamberfolkpop" trio for the first time in several months, so don't miss the mayhem, woo hoo. xoxo & luminescence, the ladeez @ MPress * * * WHO: Rachael Sage w/ Stephanie Winters (cello) & Dean Sharp (drums) WHAT: Arlene Grocery / GoGirls Music Event / 7$ cheap for entire night! WHEN: Tonight! (Thursday, 4/29) - approx. 9:30pm / Full Lineup Starts 7pm WHERE: 95 Stanton St., between Ludlow & Orchard / New York, NY SPONSORS: Songwriters Hall of Fame & National Academy of Popular Music MORE INFO: Check www.arlene-grocery.com or www.gogirlsrock.com. * * * MPress Records - The Muscle Behind the Glitter! www.rachaelsage.com www.mpressrecords.com 1.877.878.SAGE "melodies that will break your heart...unforced passion" - ROLLINGSTONE.COM "earthiness, color and emotion...sure to put on a show sublime." -VILLAGE VOICE "a rich mixture of pop, folk and jazz...reflecting on love and acceptance" - CMJ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 05:28:30 -0700 From: Tom Ditto Subject: Re: Barney Parker From: aural gratification Subject: Barney Parker > we lost the dear boy Spooky, Happy's kitten from 1985, is still on the prowl, and is some 19 years of age. He does take a couple of pills a day to suppress his hyper active thyroid. He utterly lacks Happy's musical voice. His greeting parallels nails on a blackboard. But his purr and pussyhood are intact. Alas, his sister, Tyler, is gone these past three years, and Joe, who we called Riot, died during a blizzard six or seven years ago. We couldn't dig ourselves out fast enough to get her to the vet. But Spooky, a.k.a. Mr. Bat, who could leap 4 feet in the air and snag a passing flying rodent, still jumps nimbly onto my mother's lap, who, at 86, is just about his age in people years. Be of good cheer, KB. We listen to NLE constantly and see it in 3D. Dr. Tom ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 11:37:33 -0500 From: "Collected Sounds" <2345@collectedsounds.com> Subject: RE: another side of spam Michael said: > Eudora really is the best alternative for Windowsers because it lacks > the security holes of Outlook, I would be happy to try something other than Outlook. My problem is that I have my entire business database in Outlook. It's not just a mail client. It's where I manage all my contacts and I've redesigned forms in Outlook to track all my business stuff (nothing financial) like who I've done CD Reviews/Spotlight for and the dates received/done, etc. I downloaded Eudora this AM and played with it a little, but I don't believe it has these capabilities. Please correct me if I'm wrong. But even if it did, unless I was able to import all the info, I just don't think I have it in me to re-enter some 600 contacts. Sad to say, I seem to be a slave to Gates. But at least I don't use Internet Explorer! I'm a Mozilla fan 100%! If anyone knows of any other program that works like Outlook does with all the capabilities of forms, and views and contact stuff I'd be happy to give it a shot. I know Linux has something like that, but I'd have to go Linux all the way and I don't know if I'm prepared for that yet. *scared* ~Amy Lotsberg Producer, Collected Sounds www.collectedsounds.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 10:02:23 -0700 From: Nadyne Mielke Subject: RE: another side of spam At 09:37 AM 4/29/2004, Collected Sounds wrote: [snip] >If anyone knows of any other program that works like Outlook does with all >the capabilities of forms, and views and contact stuff I'd be happy to give >it a shot. I know Linux has something like that, but I'd have to go Linux >all the way and I don't know if I'm prepared for that yet. *scared* Lotus Notes has this functionality, and quite a lot more. It's generally used in big companies, but you might also find it to your liking for your purposes. The biggest issue is that you would probably have to re-develop all of your forms and such. Lotus Notes is very powerful, but it also has a pretty steep learning curve. You can learn more about it, and download a 90-day demo, at: http://www.lotus.com/products/product4.nsf/wdocs/noteshomepage Notes supports Windows (95, 98, NT, 2000, XP) and Macintosh (OS 9, OS 10). I don't believe that Linux is supported, but I haven't checked recently. ObDisclaimer: I work for IBM Research. IBM owns Lotus. I don't work on Lotus and don't know anyone who does, but they are under the IBM umbrella so I guess you could say that I have a vested interest. /nm ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 15:03:19 -0400 From: fingerpuppets Subject: Re: Another virus from "owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org" !! one time at band camp, Xenu's Sister (vickieann@rcn.com) said: >woj: >>one thing that i'd be happy to do for any ecto subscriber is to make it >>possible for you to post from a fake e-mail address a la usenet. so, >>your posts comes from, for example, amyREMOVEME@collectedsounds.com. >>== >>or maybe >>writing a cgi script which parses a digest on the fly to disguise >>addresses so majordomo doesn't need to be hacked as well. >Raises hand. Yes please. Though, I'd imagine that cracker spammers could >easily write a program themselves to remove all the REMOVEMEs, so maybe >something a bit more complicated. or something more random. i imagine truncating the addresses a la yahoogroups would be the way to go for the archives. leave enough for us to figure out who's who but remove enough so that it's not useful for anyone nefarious (though, to be honest, i'm not sure that anything the footahed one does *isn't* nefarious! ;) ). >Can the same thing be done for the Ectophile's Guide? Not a complete munge >(else I wouldn't have gotten the e-mail I got from Pamela Golden) but >something not my department. ;) but seriously, i believe neile and damon already have something set up to replace e-mail addresses with a name or some other identifier. >All spammers should die horrible deaths. except for the ones who made my rod grow! ;) ;) ;) woj n.p. sleater-kinney -- one beat ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 12:13:52 -0700 (PDT) From: alan Subject: Re: Another virus from "owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org" !! On Thu, 29 Apr 2004, fingerpuppets wrote: > one time at band camp, Xenu's Sister (vickieann@rcn.com) said: > > >woj: > >>one thing that i'd be happy to do for any ecto subscriber is to make it > >>possible for you to post from a fake e-mail address a la usenet. so, > >>your posts comes from, for example, amyREMOVEME@collectedsounds.com. > >>== > >>or maybe > >>writing a cgi script which parses a digest on the fly to disguise > >>addresses so majordomo doesn't need to be hacked as well. > > >Raises hand. Yes please. Though, I'd imagine that cracker spammers could > >easily write a program themselves to remove all the REMOVEMEs, so maybe > >something a bit more complicated. > > or something more random. i imagine truncating the addresses a la > yahoogroups would be the way to go for the archives. leave enough for > us to figure out who's who but remove enough so that it's not useful > for anyone nefarious (though, to be honest, i'm not sure that anything > the footahed one does *isn't* nefarious! ;) ). This will on;ly slow spam harvesting. It will do *nothing* to prevent virus propagation. Viruses read mail spools and address books. They then forge the "From:" and "To:" headers with the found information. Address munging will slow spam harvesting, as well as make problems for people who his replay all without looking for munged addresses. Most places use "name at domain" or some similar syntax for their archives. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 12:42:39 -0700 From: raven@igc.org Subject: Re: Another virus from "owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org" !! I normally ignore my SPAM filter, I can go months without looking in it and it's discarded if the mail is 2 weeks old, but today I happened to search for any REAL mail that was erroneously flagged as SPAM (and found one)... but I also found an interesting looking email in the SPAM filter from "woj@smoe.org" with the subject "Hi! :-)" and it has an attachment included, this one came not from "owner-ecto" but from an ecto member... good thing I have SPAM filters, I don't see 98% of it. - -- John ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 12:59:45 -0700 From: Steve VanDevender Subject: Re: Another virus from "owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org" !! raven@igc.org writes: > I normally ignore my SPAM filter, I can go months without > looking in it and it's discarded if the mail is 2 weeks old, > but today I happened to search for any REAL mail that was > erroneously flagged as SPAM (and found one)... but I also > found an interesting looking email in the SPAM filter from > "woj@smoe.org" > with the subject "Hi! :-)" > and it has an attachment included, this one came not from > "owner-ecto" but from an ecto member... good thing I have > SPAM filters, I don't see 98% of it. Note that the "From:" header in an email worm message is almost certainly forged, so from that you can't know that this came from an Ecto member (and it almost certainly didn't come from woj, and on the off chance it did, bad, bad woj!). You would have to look at the Received: headers (which are not normally shown by email clients) to have any chance of determining the real origin of the message, although you could then only localize it to a network address and not necessarily a specific person. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 13:37:15 -0700 From: raven@igc.org Subject: Re[2]: Another virus from "owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org" !! At 12:59 PM 04/29/2004, Steve VanDevender wrote: >Note that the "From:" header in an email worm message is almost >certainly forged, so from that you can't know that this came >from an Ecto member Oh yes, I assume it's forged like so many others, I didn't really mean it came from an ecto member, but it was forged to look like that... I haven't opened the mail. >(and it almost certainly didn't come from woj, >and on the off chance it did, bad, bad woj!). LOL! I can't imagine woj sending this, especially to me! >You would have to look at the Received: headers >although you could then only localize it to a network address I use Eudora so get the Received: headers, and sometime look at them to track mail, but usually don't even open the mail unless it's from a reliable source, especially those with attachments. - -- John ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 16:42:30 -0400 From: JavaHo@aol.com Subject: KB Kevin, I'm so sorry for the loss of your friend. May Barney live on in your heart forever, pouncing on mousies. Lisa ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 06:48:45 +1000 From: andrew fries Subject: Re: another side of spam Collected Sounds wrote: > I would be happy to try something other than Outlook. My problem is that I > have my entire business database in Outlook. It's not just a mail client. > It's where I manage all my contacts and I've redesigned forms in Outlook to > track all my business stuff (nothing financial) like who I've done CD > Reviews/Spotlight for and the dates received/done, etc. And that is the problem... I'd put it to you that mail client should be just that - a mail client. Business database should be handled by something more suitable. Like a database :) As it is, you're probably really stuck now because no other program will do what Outlook does. Except possibly Lotus Notes, which you'd have to pay for (I think?) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 17:10:16 -0400 From: fingerpuppets Subject: Re: Another virus from "owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org" !! one time at band camp, raven@igc.org (raven@igc.org) said: >but today I happened to search for any REAL mail that was >erroneously flagged as SPAM (and found one)... but I also >found an interesting looking email in the SPAM filter from > "woj@smoe.org" > with the subject "Hi! :-)" oh no! i've been outed a virus author! ;) obmusic: sleater-kinney rocked on tuesday night and kristeeeeeeeeen young rocked last night. tonight, i shall sleep. +w n.p. sleater-kinney -- dig me out ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 17:17:42 -0400 From: fingerpuppets Subject: Re: Another virus from "owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org" !! one time at band camp, alan (alan@clueserver.org) said: >This will on;ly slow spam harvesting. It will do *nothing* to prevent >virus propagation. correct. i would argue that simply slowing spam doesn't make this a worthwhile thing to look into, especially if it doesn't come at the expense of removing a valuable public resource like the ecto archives. >Address munging will slow spam harvesting, as well as make problems for >people who his replay all without looking for munged addresses. address munging, if it were done, would only be done to the archives, not the delivered messages and digests. and, really, anyone who just hits reply-to-all to a message from a mailing list has other problems which i can't help them with. ;) >Most places use "name at domain" or some similar syntax for their >archives. which is one reason why it slows spam instead of stopping it. woj n.p. sleater-kinney -- call the doctor (working backwards!) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 15:20:47 -0700 From: Ed Cole Subject: RE: another side of spam Amy, I'm in a similar situation. What I do is use Eudora for email and Outlook for scheduling and contact info. Eudora can import the email data from Outlook, then go back to Outlook and remove all email address's from the Contact info. A bit of a hassle but worth the effort for me. Ed At 09:37 AM 4/29/2004, you wrote: >Michael said: > > > Eudora really is the best alternative for Windowsers because it lacks > > the security holes of Outlook, > >I would be happy to try something other than Outlook. My problem is that I >have my entire business database in Outlook. It's not just a mail client. >It's where I manage all my contacts and I've redesigned forms in Outlook to >track all my business stuff (nothing financial) like who I've done CD >Reviews/Spotlight for and the dates received/done, etc. > >I downloaded Eudora this AM and played with it a little, but I don't believe >it has these capabilities. Please correct me if I'm wrong. But even if it >did, unless I was able to import all the info, I just don't think I have it >in me to re-enter some 600 contacts. Sad to say, I seem to be a slave to >Gates. > >But at least I don't use Internet Explorer! I'm a Mozilla fan 100%! > >If anyone knows of any other program that works like Outlook does with all >the capabilities of forms, and views and contact stuff I'd be happy to give >it a shot. I know Linux has something like that, but I'd have to go Linux >all the way and I don't know if I'm prepared for that yet. *scared* ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 22:43:44 -0000 From: "neal copperman" Subject: RE: another side of spam Eudora claims to be able to import both e-mail and contact information directly from Outlook. I have not personally tried this: http://www.eudora.com/techsupport/tutorials/win_outlookimport.html neal Ed Cole said: > Amy, > I'm in a similar situation. What I do is use Eudora for email and Outlook > for scheduling and contact info. Eudora can import the email data from > Outlook, then go back to Outlook and remove all email address's from the > Contact info. A bit of a hassle but worth the effort for me. > Ed > > At 09:37 AM 4/29/2004, you wrote: > >Michael said: > > > > > Eudora really is the best alternative for Windowsers because it lacks > > > the security holes of Outlook, > > > >I would be happy to try something other than Outlook. My problem is that I > >have my entire business database in Outlook. It's not just a mail client. > >It's where I manage all my contacts and I've redesigned forms in Outlook to > >track all my business stuff (nothing financial) like who I've done CD > >Reviews/Spotlight for and the dates received/done, etc. > > > >I downloaded Eudora this AM and played with it a little, but I don't believe > >it has these capabilities. Please correct me if I'm wrong. But even if it > >did, unless I was able to import all the info, I just don't think I have it > >in me to re-enter some 600 contacts. Sad to say, I seem to be a slave to > >Gates. > > > >But at least I don't use Internet Explorer! I'm a Mozilla fan 100%! > > > >If anyone knows of any other program that works like Outlook does with all > >the capabilities of forms, and views and contact stuff I'd be happy to give > >it a shot. I know Linux has something like that, but I'd have to go Linux > >all the way and I don't know if I'm prepared for that yet. *scared* > - -- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 22:16:45 -0500 From: Hooplessly Unfroody Subject: Re: another side of spam At 10:46 PM 4/28/2004 -0700, Michael blasphemed: >Even Netscape and Mozilla's weak email client is more secure than >Outlook. I'll take exception to that statement - not to the statement that it's more secure, but that it's weak. ;) If you've not looked at Thunderbird (the email client that thankfully forked off from Mozilla - a web browser should be a web browser dammit, not a swiss army knife) lately, beta 0.5 is quite worthy of consideration. Not that there aren't a few things I'd like to see improved, but I've been using it quite happily and stabily at work for a couple of months now. Built in Bayesian spam filtering that seems to catch 85-90% of spam, html sanitization, and it's not just free, it's also ad-free. I'd take it in a heartbeat over the recent Eudoras. Of course you could also hunt out a copy of Eudora 3.06 (which I'm using for this account as the astute among you have already surmised) - it's the last free & ad-free version of Eudora and still floats around out there. Note that it's a bit long in the tooth, but does what it has been doing for more than a decade pretty well. bob ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 21:55:49 -0600 From: neal copperman Subject: Re: another side of spam At 10:16 PM -0500 4/29/04, Hooplessly Unfroody wrote: >Of course you could also hunt out a copy of Eudora 3.06 (which I'm using >for this account as the astute among you have already surmised) - it's the >last free & ad-free version of Eudora and still floats around out there. >Note that it's a bit long in the tooth, but does what it has been doing for >more than a decade pretty well. Since you can use the latest Eudora with reduced features and not get ads, why not just do that? Especially since Eudora 6 with reduced features probably has more features then Eudora 3 anyway. neal np: one revolution - craig carothers ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 21:37:47 -0700 From: "London, Sherry" Subject: Carina and Martina Topley-Bird For those L.A. folks, looks like Carina Round will also be at the Hotel Cafi May 7.....so exciting. Paul, I will check out snow patrol and you enjoy the show, wish I could be there. I just received two CDs from the UK today..Sia and Martina Topley-Bird. I haven't listened to Sia,vocalist on some songs for Zero 7 what a wonderful voice. I didn't like her first solo release too much but this one seems much more promising to me. what I have heard of Martina, I am loving. Does anyone know anything about her.?????????????????? Were any of the LA Ecto folks at the Catie Curtis/Sophie B Hawkins concert on Saturday.....did you want to yell obscenities at that LOUD crowd by the bar too? 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