From: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org (ecto-digest) To: ecto-digest@smoe.org Subject: ecto-digest V9 #350 Reply-To: ecto@smoe.org Sender: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk ecto-digest Saturday, December 13 2003 Volume 09 : Number 350 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Winter Talisman [Neal Copperman ] Best of 2003 [Todd Pierce ] I kiwwed de wabbit ["R.L Smith" ] Re: Best of 2003 [jjhanson@att.net] Best of 2003 ["London, Sherry" ] Re: good thoughts [RedWoodenBeads@aol.com] I kiwwed de wabbit [Steve VanDevender ] Re: good thoughts [Nadyne Mielke ] Re: good thoughts [Joseph Zitt ] Re: good thoughts [Joseph Zitt ] Peter Hammill ["Foghorn J. Fornorn" ] Re: good thoughts [andrew fries ] Re: good thoughts [Sue Trowbridge ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 00:21:01 -0700 From: Neal Copperman Subject: Re: Winter Talisman At 9:33 PM -0500 12/11/03, meredith wrote: >Oh yeah, and Susan & Johnny (and Aidan Brennan too) were great, as >always. :) Their "Winter Talisman" show is pretty much the same >every year, but why mess with a good thing? I dunno, I'm finding it wears a bit thin on repeated viewings. I still enjoy it, but nowhere like I did the first time. Seems like the show has been the same, without any notable changes, for many years now. I am looking forward to seeing Susan with Chanting House in January though. neal ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 06:58:24 -0800 (PST) From: Todd Pierce Subject: Best of 2003 Well, I'm not sure I even bought ten albums this year released in 2003. Here's what i have listened to the most that I did buy this year: the 'Ecto-ish side' Emilie Autumn, Enchant Capercaillie, Choice Language Maria McKee, High Dive Aimee Mann, Lost in Space Charlotte Martin, Test Drive Songs Rachael Sage, Public Record Suzanne Ciani, Seven Waves (actually released in the 1980s, but I finally bought a CD copy this year, and I still like to listen to this somewhat cheezy but very soothing synth-ful New Age disc) the 'pop' side: Michelle Branch, Hotel Paper (yeah, I know, I _know_) Evanescence, Fallen Deborah Gibson, Colored Lights (an album of Broadway tunes, and let's not make any smug comments, shall we?) Liz Phair, Liz Phair and finally on my Christmas list: Karen Matheson, Time to Fall Connie Dover, The Border of Heaven Nelly Furtado, Folklore Todd Pierce Asheville, NC np: Capercaillie, Nadurra nr: A History of Britain, v3, Simon Schama __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. http://photos.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 16:10:58 +0000 From: "R.L Smith" Subject: I kiwwed de wabbit >From: Steve VanDevender >Any musical could be made greatly more entertaining by having a chosen >character sing with like Elmer Fudd. I agree 100%. Look what Elmer did for Richard Wagner's meisterstr|ck Flight of the Valkyries in the Bugs Bunny opera cartoon. Oh, and speaking of Talk Talk--and apologies if this is a re-hash for any of you--wasn't that b-side to a single called "it's getting late in the evening" absolutely splendid? It was so gentle and gorgeous. Isn't it baffling to consider the boldness required to produce something so elegantly understated? Anyway, I love the Theremin, and Talk Talk used it to great effect. Once I saw instructions to build your own Theremin, but I resisted, still regretting the beer-barrel toilet 8-track tape player that's still cluttering up my place. I keep an 8-track of Conway Twitty singing "you've never been this far before" permanently ensconced there. Consider the unctuously pompadoured Twitty sporting a baby-blue double-knit western yoked suit (polyester) whilst singing about de-flowering young ladies, this wafting from an upholstered toilet. Yes, I am the monster created by family motor trips in the '70s listening to country radio. Peter Gabriel is an amazing songwriter, but I think Elvis Costello is, too, and I find them equally brilliant though compelling in such different ways. There is something so touchingly plaintive about Costello's voice when it cracks like the metal lid being unscrewed from a glass jar of peanut butter. This vocal quirk limns the cutting irony of his text with a sad humanity. _________________________________________________________________ Winterize your home with tips from MSN House & Home. http://special.msn.com/home/warmhome.armx ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 16:25:26 +0000 From: jjhanson@att.net Subject: Re: Best of 2003 Todd Pierce wrote: >Suzanne Ciani, Seven Waves (actually released in the >1980s, but I finally bought a CD copy this year, and I >still like to listen to this somewhat cheezy but very >soothing synth-ful New Age disc) I have to agree--this is one of my favorite new-age albums of all time--and one of my favorite new age artists. The synths on this one do sound a bit dated, but hte piano versions of these songs on her Pianissimo albums are still some of my favorites. Jeff > Well, I'm not sure I even bought ten albums this year > released in 2003. Here's what i have listened to the > most that I did buy this year: > > the 'Ecto-ish side' > Emilie Autumn, Enchant > Capercaillie, Choice Language > Maria McKee, High Dive > Aimee Mann, Lost in Space > Charlotte Martin, Test Drive Songs > Rachael Sage, Public Record > Suzanne Ciani, Seven Waves (actually released in the > 1980s, but I finally bought a CD copy this year, and I > still like to listen to this somewhat cheezy but very > soothing synth-ful New Age disc) > > the 'pop' side: > Michelle Branch, Hotel Paper (yeah, I know, I _know_) > Evanescence, Fallen > Deborah Gibson, Colored Lights (an album of Broadway > tunes, and let's not make any smug comments, shall > we?) > Liz Phair, Liz Phair > > and finally on my Christmas list: > Karen Matheson, Time to Fall > Connie Dover, The Border of Heaven > Nelly Furtado, Folklore > > Todd Pierce > Asheville, NC > > np: Capercaillie, Nadurra > nr: A History of Britain, v3, Simon Schama > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. > http://photos.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 10:00:09 -0800 From: "London, Sherry" Subject: Best of 2003 Boy was this hard to do. I discovered CD baby last December and so have that empty wallet syndrome I was warned about and so much good music that it was painful not to mention it all. Anyway, some of this stuff is old but it is all new to me. Again, who ever first mentioned the Road Dog Divas on our ecto list, thanks. Angie Nussey----circumstantial overload Barbara Gosza Purify and Beckett and Buddha Beth Boucher- Mess you Up Beth Gibbons and Rustic Man- out of season Beth Hart- Leave the Light On Carina Rounds- First Blood Mystery and Disconnection Chris Brown and Kate Fenner O witness Darling Daughter- Sweet Shadows Debra Wai Kapohe- most of her work Devil Doll- queen of Pain Full Frontal Folk-Storming the Castle Holly McNarland- all her stuff Lori McKenna-everything Michelle Malone- Stompin Ground Pina-Quick Look ***Road Dog Diva- collectively and individually, my find of the year**** White Stripes- Elephant Vanessa Handrick-A letter home to you Zeora Sage-Samsara Alexi Murdock- 4songs Andy Tubman Wendy Rule - Lotus Eaters My Mourning Jacket- It still moves Brenda Weiler.... Plus loved Emimen this year!! Happy Holidays and a peaceful New Year to everyone. sherry This e-mail/fax message, including any attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail/fax and destroy all copies of the original message. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 13:41:54 EST From: RedWoodenBeads@aol.com Subject: Re: good thoughts Great to read everyone's posts. I've heard all kinds of theories about the inherent evil in man. I'm not sure if you can call it evil. I think it might just be the survival instinct that we see in other animals. A lion kills an antelope and it's nature. A human kills a human and its horrifying to us, and rightly so. Stepping up in our evolution is ridding ourselves of the fear-driven need to feed off of others to survive, I suppose. Has anyone here read Fast Food Nation? It made me realize how much American consumerism contributes to misery all over the globe. It seems like the very first thing that needs to happen is America needs to be oriented towards necessity, conservation, prudence, and avoidance of materialism. Unfortunately, corporations have got everyone thinking that buying shit and being rich is what makes you happy. But they're wrong. We can have a progressive society that takes advantage of technology without destroying the environment, exploiting third world countries and endlessly wasting. Kalle Lasn, founder of ad busters, has been trying to air commercials on national TV that advocate "buy nothing week" and anti-commercialism ads. Despite the fact that they have plenty of money to afford the time, the media discriminates against him just because of his message. Wouldn't it be cool if people like Peter Gabriel and Bono started a TV station oriented against commercialism and aimed at art for arts sake? In a message dated 12/12/03 1:00:26 AM Central Standard Time, owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org writes: << Hey Fred. I am on the ecto list and I wanted to thank you for your eloquent response to jack's comments. I will never be able to banish from my mind the news wire images of thousands of dead Hutus and Tutsis floating in a lake in Central Africa in the mid 1990s. I also remember the stories about food sent by Live Aid rotting in containers on docks because East African warlords were preventing its distrubution to the populace. I was priveleged to have two African professors at university, and I understand that wars between the nations there are no less complicated than the polarizing conflicts in our own u.s. politcal system. I also understand that this degree of brutality is not the sole invention of Western people or of modern man--such inhumanity predates recorded history. The sad fact is that man has a propensity to be nasty to his "fellows," and we are nowhere near solving this issue in my lifetime. What may be most tragic of all is I suspect people like Jack who would like to be instruments of peace and progress are more often used as pawns in a local and narrowly personal (in a global sense) politcal process. The issue of this outrageous treatment of human beings will only be resolved when an overwhelming majority of us refuse to be part of the cancerous animus which has plagued our species. Here's hoping I'm wrong and that we can all learn to grow up. Best wishes, Rita >> joe joe and ellen music http://www.jotdot.net/joeandellen http://www.mp3.com/joeandellen ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 10:49:43 -0800 From: Steve VanDevender Subject: I kiwwed de wabbit R.L Smith writes: > >From: Steve VanDevender > > >Any musical could be made greatly more entertaining by having a chosen > >character sing with like Elmer Fudd. > > I agree 100%. Look what Elmer did for Richard Wagner's meisterstr|ck > Flight of the Valkyries in the Bugs Bunny opera cartoon. That was the original inspiration, but then I started imagining things like: "Thewwe's twouble, wight hewwe in Wivew City . . . " "It's spwingtime, foww Hitweww, and Gewwmany!" "Sunwise, sunset, sunwise, sunset, swiftwy, fwy the yeawws . . . " "Wet's do the time wawwp again!" and realized that if it worked for Wagner, it could work for anything. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 10:55:34 -0800 From: Nadyne Mielke Subject: Re: good thoughts At 10:41 AM 12/12/2003, RedWoodenBeads@aol.com wrote: [snip] >Wouldn't it be cool if people like Peter Gabriel and Bono started a TV >station oriented against commercialism and aimed at art for arts sake? I have to admit that I have a hard time taking a suggestion like this seriously when tickets to the Peter Gabriel shows were $150 and up. I like Peter Gabriel, don't get me wrong, but I have a difficult time thinking of him as being against commercialism. /nm ------------------------------ Date: 12 Dec 2003 11:39:39 -0800 From: Joseph Zitt Subject: Re: good thoughts On Fri, 2003-12-12 at 10:41, RedWoodenBeads@aol.com wrote: > Great to read everyone's posts. > > I've heard all kinds of theories about the inherent evil in man. I'm not sure > if you can call it evil. I think it might just be the survival instinct that > we see in other animals. A lion kills an antelope and it's nature. A human > kills a human and its horrifying to us, and rightly so. Stepping up in our > evolution is ridding ourselves of the fear-driven need to feed off of others to > survive, I suppose. > > Has anyone here read Fast Food Nation? It made me realize how much American > consumerism contributes to misery all over the globe. It seems like the very > first thing that needs to happen is America needs to be oriented towards > necessity, conservation, prudence, and avoidance of materialism. Unfortunately, > corporations have got everyone thinking that buying shit and being rich is what > makes you happy. But they're wrong. We can have a progressive society that takes > advantage of technology without destroying the environment, exploiting third > world countries and endlessly wasting. > > Kalle Lasn, founder of ad busters, has been trying to air commercials on > national TV that advocate "buy nothing week" and anti-commercialism ads. Despite > the fact that they have plenty of money to afford the time, the media > discriminates against him just because of his message. > > Wouldn't it be cool if people like Peter Gabriel and Bono started a TV > station oriented against commercialism and aimed at art for arts sake? > > In a message dated 12/12/03 1:00:26 AM Central Standard Time, > owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org writes: > > << Hey Fred. I am on the ecto list and I wanted to thank you for your > eloquent > response to jack's comments. I will never be able to banish from my mind > the news wire images of thousands of dead Hutus and Tutsis floating in a > lake in Central Africa in the mid 1990s. I also remember the stories > about food sent by Live Aid rotting in containers on docks because East > African warlords were preventing its distrubution to the populace. I was > priveleged to have two African professors at university, and I understand > that wars between the nations there are no less complicated than the > polarizing conflicts in our own u.s. politcal system. I also understand > that this degree of brutality is not the sole invention of Western people or > of modern man--such inhumanity predates recorded history. The sad fact is > that man has a propensity to be nasty to his "fellows," and we are nowhere > near solving this issue in my lifetime. What may be most tragic of all is I > suspect people like Jack who would like to be instruments of peace and > progress are more often used as pawns in a local and narrowly personal (in a > global sense) politcal process. The issue of this outrageous treatment of > human beings will only be resolved when an overwhelming majority of us > refuse to be part of the cancerous animus which has plagued our species. > Here's hoping I'm wrong and that we can all learn to grow up. Best wishes, > Rita >> > > > joe > joe and ellen music > http://www.jotdot.net/joeandellen > http://www.mp3.com/joeandellen ------------------------------ Date: 12 Dec 2003 11:46:17 -0800 From: Joseph Zitt Subject: Re: good thoughts On Fri, 2003-12-12 at 10:41, RedWoodenBeads@aol.com wrote: > Wouldn't it be cool if people like Peter Gabriel and Bono started a TV > station oriented against commercialism and aimed at art for arts sake? Cool... and coming from a couple of the most commercially successful musicians on the planet, pretty amusing. Not that this hasn't been tried in the past. There's PBS, for example... except that they discovered that, granted the high karmic boon, it's still quite expensive to create TV content, and someone has to pay for it. And does anyone remember major market free-form radio? And what is "art for art's sake" anyway? How would you determine if something is qualified for the proposed station? Such high-minded ideas sound cool and obvious... until you actually try to implement them. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 14:37:04 -0500 From: "Foghorn J. Fornorn" Subject: Peter Hammill I know there's a few (other) PH fans who subscribe, a little scary news for those who don't also sub the PH7 list: >> According to the latest Sofa Sound newsletter, Peter is (hopefully) on his way to recovery following a heart attack last Sunday. >> Newsletter: >> http://www.sofasound.com/nlnow.htm >> Best wishes, Peter. Take it easy. We're all getting so old... ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2003 09:33:33 +1100 From: andrew fries Subject: Re: good thoughts Joseph Zitt wrote: >On Fri, 2003-12-12 at 10:41, RedWoodenBeads@aol.com wrote: > > She did? So far I haven't received that post... Accident or conspiracy? :) But anyway... >>We can have a progressive society that takes >>advantage of technology without destroying the environment, exploiting third >>world countries and endlessly wasting. >> >> In theory maybe we could but I don't see how it can come about while capitalism is the dominating force. Capitalism *is* about destroying, exploiting and wasting. To make the change it will take more than good will of individuals - it will take a full-scale change of the foundations of society as we know it. Do you see that happening? I don't, to be honest. Nor am I sure how desirable that would be, remembering Soviet Russia and China who actually ended up destroying, exploiting and wasting just as much, while killing millions of its citizens to boot. >>Kalle Lasn, founder of ad busters, has been trying to air commercials on >>national TV that advocate "buy nothing week" and anti-commercialism ads. >> Yeah, they've been at it for a good few years. I think "buy nothing week" is supposed to happen sometime in December, to counter the Christmas shopping rush. But if "buy nothing week" simply means, "I'll just buy it next week", then it becomes another empty gesture, very much in the spirit of Christmas as it stands these days. >> >>Wouldn't it be cool if people like Peter Gabriel and Bono started a TV >>station oriented against commercialism and aimed at art for arts sake? >> >> It would be even cooler if they stopped their association with recording companies who are the members of RIAA, if they are so concerned about commercialism or art. - --------------------------------------------------------------------- "Fascism should rightly be called Corporatism as it is a merge of state and corporate power" - -- Benito Mussolini - -- 8:33am up 4 days 12:38, 2 users, load average: 0.00, 0.02, 0.00-- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 18:19:53 -0500 (EST) From: Sue Trowbridge Subject: Re: good thoughts On Sat, 13 Dec 2003, andrew fries wrote: > >>Kalle Lasn, founder of ad busters, has been trying to air commercials on > >>national TV that advocate "buy nothing week" and anti-commercialism ads. > >> > Yeah, they've been at it for a good few years. I think "buy nothing > week" is supposed to happen sometime in December, to counter the > Christmas shopping rush. But if "buy nothing week" simply means, "I'll > just buy it next week", then it becomes another empty gesture, very much > in the spirit of Christmas as it stands these days. Buy Nothing Day is the day after Thanksgiving, traditionally "the biggest shopping day of the year." I always observe it, though I do have to shop later for Xmas gifts... luckily, on the whole, my family is rather modest in its gift-giving. - --Sue np: Richard Thompson THE OLD KIT BAG - one of my choices for the best of '03! ------------------------------ End of ecto-digest V9 #350 **************************