From: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org (ecto-digest) To: ecto-digest@smoe.org Subject: ecto-digest V9 #280 Reply-To: ecto@smoe.org Sender: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk ecto-digest Saturday, October 4 2003 Volume 09 : Number 280 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Painters [Alan ] Re: Dido - Life for Rent [Alan ] Re: Dido - Life for Rent [Alan ] Re: Dido - Life for Rent [Ethan Straffin ] Re: Dido - Life for Rent [Andrew Fries ] Re: Dido - Life for Rent [Ethan Straffin ] Re: Dido - Life for Rent [Yngve Hauge ] Re: rene and georgette ["Robert Lovejoy" ] songs about painters ["Adam K." ] Re: Dido - Life for Rent [Michael Bowman ] RE: ecto-digest V9 #279**** Dido cd**** ["London, Sherry" ] Re: Dido - Life for Rent ["John Zimmer" ] Re: Dido - Life for Rent [Ethan Straffin ] Corin Tucker (of SLeater-Kinney) interview [Michael Curry ] Re: Corin Tucker (of SLeater-Kinney) interview [Ethan Straffin ] Fwd: The Imperfection that is Rasputina [Steve VanDevender Subject: Re: Painters On Wed, 2003-10-01 at 13:12, Brian Bloom wrote: > Other painter tunes are: > Vincent - Don McLean > Modigliani (Lost In Your Eyes) - Book of Love > Music for Egon Schiele, an album by Rachel's (and very nice moody > chamberish stuff as well) > > Warhol probably has a few songs about him that are excaping me at the moment. > > And while not *explicitly* about a painter, I absolutely cannot listen to > the Dream Academy's cover of "Please Please Please Let Me Get What I Want" > without envisioning the Seurat scene from Ferris Bueller's Day Off... The first song that came to mind was "Pablo Picaso" from the movie "Repo Man". "He was only 5'3". Girls could not resist his stare..." - -- ________________________________________________________________________ FBI WARNING WARNING OF DOOM! Federal law provides severe civil and criminal penalties for the unauthorized reproduction, distribution, exhibition of copyrighted motion pictures in any medium(Title 17, United States Code, Section 501 and 506). The Federal Bureau of Investigation investigates allegations of criminal copyright infringement. They will hunt you down like the dirty monkey you are and force you to wear a moose skin and ride a greased piggy while singing folk tunes. They're forcing me to ride the piggy as I write this. The piggy is smelly! Show 11B PRINTED IN USA Zimpact Inc. All Rights Reserved ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2003 23:41:49 -0700 From: Alan Subject: Re: Dido - Life for Rent On Wed, 2003-10-01 at 13:14, Yngve Hauge wrote: > On Wed, 1 Oct 2003, Simon Barker wrote: > > > As much as I'd like to buy this album, it's only available in the crippled > > Corrupt Disc format (http://ukcdr.org/issues/cd/bad/) here in the UK. > > Same here ... and even worse than the Lene Marlin album - this CD isn't > even playable on a Mac. Which has not stopped it at all from being posted to usenet. - -- alan at clueserver.org - alan at ctrl-alt-del.com "...new-fangled and artificial treasons have been the great engines by which violent factions, the natural offspring of free government, have usually wreaked their alternate malignity on each other...." - James Madison in The Federalist No. 43, ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2003 23:45:15 -0700 From: Alan Subject: Re: Dido - Life for Rent On Wed, 2003-10-01 at 12:54, Simon Barker wrote: > As much as I'd like to buy this album, it's only available in the crippled > Corrupt Disc format (http://ukcdr.org/issues/cd/bad/) here in the UK. > > Does anybody know if it's available as a genuine Compact Disc Digital Audio > in the US or elsewhere? I'd rather pay the extra postage and get a proper > CD than pay the UK record company good money for an inferior quality > product. I am not certain. My mp3 ripper ignores such things so I don't tend to notice. (I have yet to find one I cannot rip to mp3.) Since I don't notice any difference, I don't know if it has it or not. Linux takes cd copy protection as damage and routes around it. - -- alan at clueserver.org - alan at ctrl-alt-del.com "...new-fangled and artificial treasons have been the great engines by which violent factions, the natural offspring of free government, have usually wreaked their alternate malignity on each other...." - James Madison in The Federalist No. 43, ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 00:51:17 -0700 From: Ethan Straffin Subject: Re: Dido - Life for Rent On Thursday, October 2, 2003, at 08:58 PM, Michael Pearce wrote: > On Thu, 2003-10-02 at 06:55, Ethan Straffin wrote: > >> My advice? Download it, burn your own copy, and send Dido an >> untraceable, anonymous envelope containing a $10 bill for her >> efforts, >> along with a polite note explaining that her record company is a >> bunch >> of assholes. >> >> The only way to prevent the spread of crippleware music is to make it >> clear to the record companies and artists alike that we simply will >> not >> buy it. > > Kazaa runs only on Microsoft computers so I can't get ahold of this. Good man -- but, seize control of your destiny, my brother! While Kazaa may run only on the operating system of the Beast, the network upon which it was built doesn't care one whit about hardware. And lo, the P2P clients for my beloved MacOS (see abyssoft.com), Linux, BeOS, and even those wacky Amiga people were spread about the land! And, amazingly enough, the best of them even worked as intended, even if some of them *did* remain prone to crashing if one so much as looked at them funny. > If anyone could help and burn me a copy, it would be most appreciated. Sure, I'm up for that. Drop me a line with your address. And yet...I'd still rather help you learn to fish for yourself, because it would ultimately gain you a lot more -- not to mention saving me a trip to the post office. :) Ethan ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2003 18:14:04 +1000 From: Andrew Fries Subject: Re: Dido - Life for Rent On Fri, 2003-10-03 at 13:58, Michael Pearce wrote: > Kazaa runs only on Microsoft computers so I can't get ahold of this. There are Kazaa clients for other platforms. If you run Linux or MacOS X mldonkey is supposed to work with Kazaa network as well as a number of others: http://www.nongnu.org/mldonkey/ NP: Noe Venable - "The world is bound by secret knots" - IMO better than Dido anyway! ... After a long break I finally purchased a few CDs, including this one - I'm very excited about my new toys :) - --------------------------------------------------------------------- "Grrr...Arrgh!" -- Mutant - -- 18:06:40 up 2 days, 19:31, 1 user, load average: 0.17, 0.11, 0.02-- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 02:12:11 -0700 From: Ethan Straffin Subject: Re: Dido - Life for Rent On Thursday, October 2, 2003, at 11:41 PM, Alan wrote: > On Wed, 2003-10-01 at 13:14, Yngve Hauge wrote: >> On Wed, 1 Oct 2003, Simon Barker wrote: >> >>> As much as I'd like to buy this album, it's only available in the >>> crippled >>> Corrupt Disc format (http://ukcdr.org/issues/cd/bad/) here in the UK. >> >> Same here ... and even worse than the Lene Marlin album - this CD >> isn't >> even playable on a Mac. > > Which has not stopped it at all from being posted to usenet. Precisely. There simply is no workable audio equivalent of Hollywood's supposedly uncopiable red script pages. The problem is inherently intractable. Not even the most diabolical CD-crippling mechanism imaginable is going to stop any reasonably dedicated and competent individual with access to cheap, readily-available hardware from turning any given musical release into MP3 or AAC files that can be spread hither and yon -- and all it takes is one such individual. In other words, the *only* significant effect of releasing crippleware discs is to inconvenience one's paying customers by the thousands. The CEOs will get paid either way, but the writing should pretty much be on the wall for any investors out there. Ethan ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 11:32:33 +0200 (CEST) From: Yngve Hauge Subject: Re: Dido - Life for Rent > I am not certain. My mp3 ripper ignores such things so I don't tend to > notice. (I have yet to find one I cannot rip to mp3.) Since I don't > notice any difference, I don't know if it has it or not. > I'm running linux and I've tried to Dido CD - I only get a bunch of unusable windows files when mounting it up. I did get the same with the Lene Marlin EP, so something isn't what it used to be. - -- Yngve ****************************************** * E-mail: onealien@mo.himolde.no ********* * Cell: +47 41330571 ********************* ***** Blessed be!!! ********************** ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 06:41:06 -0400 From: "Robert Lovejoy" Subject: Re: rene and georgette - ----- Original Message ----- From: "JoAnn Whetsell" Subject: rene and georgette > Thanks for reminding me of this song I like very much. But I always > thought it was "the penguins, the moonglows, the orioles, and the > fireflies" > > Does anyone know? Definitely The Five Satins. They were R&B singing groups from the fifties, you whippersnappers! The Penguins, The Moon Glows, The Orioles... Old Bob ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 14:01:42 +0100 From: "Adam K." Subject: songs about painters Well, all the obvious ones have been taken, so I'm going to go back a bit and say....a song introduced me to Frida Kahlo. Well, to her work and reputation. It was back in the 80's, when british music had been reduced to fey, synthetic bleeps and tweets, and friend of mine had a sister who had a band, called Birds of Tin. I went along to see them out of politeness, and became a rabid fan. With a lead vocalist/violinist and a sax player making up the band, they managed to combine a lot (including a dash of Eastern swirl) and still come out rocking. At one multi-band gig they did, the focus was supposed to be on one "promising" band (whose leader just happened to be a journalist for the NME) but it was Birds of Tin who got everyone on their feet. Anyway, they had a song, "Frida Kahlo", in which I was informed her full name was "Magdalena Carmen Frida Kahlo y Calderon". The band didn't last long, which was a pity -- the singer/violinist, Emma Peters, is now involved with a more traditional folkie trio called The Clarke Sisters. I'm fortunate enough to have a demo tape of the Birds and, although it doesn't even hint at their live greatness, it's a cool reminder of what they did. Ahh, the hell with the Pixies -- bring back the Birds of Tin! adam k. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2003 08:15:11 -0700 From: Michael Bowman Subject: Re: Dido - Life for Rent On Thursday, October 02, 2003, at 08:58PM, Michael Pearce wrote: >On Thu, 2003-10-02 at 06:55, Ethan Straffin wrote: > >> My advice? Download it, burn your own copy, and send Dido an >> untraceable, anonymous envelope containing a $10 bill for her efforts, >> along with a polite note explaining that her record company is a bunch >> of assholes. >> >> The only way to prevent the spread of crippleware music is to make it >> clear to the record companies and artists alike that we simply will not >> buy it. > >Kazaa runs only on Microsoft computers so I can't get ahold of this. >If anyone could help and burn me a copy, it would be most appreciated. Or you can do what I did and buy a copy from the iTunes Music Store. Although, for some reason, the final track isn't available. Michael ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 13:56:09 -0700 From: "London, Sherry" Subject: RE: ecto-digest V9 #279**** Dido cd**** << The only way to prevent the spread of crippleware music is to make it > clear to the record companies and artists alike that we simply will > not buy it. Kazaa runs only on Microsoft computers so I can't get ahold of this. If anyone could help and burn me a copy, it would be most appreciated. As soon as someone finds a private mailing address for Dido, be sure to post it here.>> I just got my Dido from Amazon U.S. and it plays fine on the computer. I am either living under a lucky star or the US version is not protected.... sherry This e-mail/fax message, including any attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail/fax and destroy all copies of the original message. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 18:37:14 -0700 (PDT) From: karen hester Subject: Alive in this dream by Lori Hawk 'Alive in this dream' by Lori Hawk. (www.lorihawk.com) I've come to find this album very pretty, often charming, sometimes beautiful, always appealingly mystical. However, I have to fight through instrumentation that isn't my thing, and it is noticeably .. not amateur, but not quite complete. The gauze of keyboards is supposed to give an otherworldly feel, but for me they rarely sound beyond this world, but rather keep on pathetically trying to imitate this one. So the drone behind Lori Hawk's lovely voice on 'listening for you' doesn't have the majesty and in-an-ancient-cathedral feeling that she is aiming for, whereas the didjeridu and eastern percussion behind the similarly prayerful 'hand to the wall' gives the song grandeur. The false sweeping strings on 'alive' and 'as you hold me' don't quite sound angelic, and the keyboard wash in 'today' isn't as compelling as the disconcerting rumbling noises accompanying her disturbing descent from the sky. This is may partly be the result of a low-budget - maybe Lori would bring in real strings if she could afford them. Also, I think her rock references are 70s ones and I prefer different instrumentation. But against my natural inclinations, I've become fond of this album and am impressed by it. People who like new agey and mystical music with myth and metaphysics in their lyrics will really like it. There are bursts of loud guitar in 'for the kings' and 'free' (which is almost an alterna-rock song), which snapped me out of treating the album like background music. The lyrics are sprinkled with primordial forests, princesses, dragonfly wings, dragons, beggars, oracles and the Valley of the Dead, which are nice things to have floating around in the air. The words are often abstract and mystical (following the dream theme) rather than specific fairy tales. Lori Hawk can sing in a very pretty swooning way, but she allows her voice to go rough and human when required, such as the swooping chorus of 'free' - "I am free in your garden, I am free in your bed, I am free and forgotten, just a solitary scream, in the Valley of the Dead." 'princess mary' is perky mediaeval-pop and is the radio single. Samples at www.lorihawk.com Karen __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 00:08:26 -0700 From: "John Zimmer" Subject: Re: Dido - Life for Rent Simon Barker wrote: > Does anybody know if it's available as a genuine Compact Disc > Digital Audio in the US or elsewhere? I'd rather pay the extra > postage and get a proper CD than pay the UK record company good > money for an inferior quality product. The US version does indeed seem to be refreshingly free from any corruption/protection mechanisms. The copy I picked up last night has none of the usual suspects' logos, and plays (and rips) beautifully on my Windows and Linux machines. I would recommend buying the US Arista release if that option is available to you. John ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 18:53:53 -0700 From: Ethan Straffin Subject: Re: Dido - Life for Rent On Friday, October 3, 2003, at 12:08 AM, John Zimmer wrote: > The US version does indeed seem to be refreshingly free from any > corruption/protection mechanisms. The copy I picked up last night has > none of the usual suspects' logos, and plays (and rips) beautifully on > my Windows and Linux machines. I would recommend buying the US > Arista release if that option is available to you. > > John Woohoo! Good news indeed. Ethan - -- "The last struggles of a great superstition are very frequently the worst." -- Andrew Dickson ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2003 22:17:46 -0400 From: Michael Curry Subject: Corin Tucker (of SLeater-Kinney) interview There's a brief, and rather bleak, interview with Corin Tucker at: http://www.babesinboyland.info/pages/air/sk_01.htm The future isn't sounding especially bright for Kill Rock Stars, or really for S-K eitehr..... Michael nr: Down and Out in the Magic Kingdom by Cory Doctorow (having just finished Warchild by Karin Lowachee) np: nothing atm ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 19:46:46 -0700 From: Ethan Straffin Subject: Re: Corin Tucker (of SLeater-Kinney) interview Ow. That hurts. Be quiet, you! It's just that I was *just* working on an S-K compilation, which seems to be filling up one disc fairly nicely, and the idea that it could turn into a eulogy is something I'd just rather not contemplate right now. Denying reality with a vengeance, Ethan - -- "watch it go / goodbye small hands / goodbye small head / goodbye small heart" On Friday, October 3, 2003, at 07:17 PM, Michael Curry wrote: > There's a brief, and rather bleak, interview with Corin Tucker at: > > http://www.babesinboyland.info/pages/air/sk_01.htm > > The future isn't sounding especially bright for Kill Rock Stars, or > really for S-K eitehr..... > > > > Michael > > nr: Down and Out in the Magic Kingdom by Cory Doctorow (having > just finished Warchild by Karin Lowachee) > np: nothing atm ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 15:41:57 -0700 From: Neile Graham Subject: Fwd: The Imperfection that is Rasputina For those interested. - --Neile Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 13:44:12 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: toro.web.pas.earthlink.net: www.rasputina.com set sender to list@rasputina.com using -f From: Rasputina Subject: The Imperfection that is Rasputina Where to begin when correcting our mistakes? We are good cellists, but have never claimed to be good at recital warning. Fri. Oct. 10- Cleveland , OH. The Grog Shop Sat. Oct. 11-Detroit, MI. The Magic stick Sun. Oct. 12-Chicago, IL. The Metro Mon. Oct. 13-Milwaukee,WI Shank Hall Tue. Oct. 14- Minn., MN. First Avenue Wed. Oct. 15-Mend our Costumes Thur., Oct. 16-Do Our Hair Fri., Oct. 17-Portland , OR. Dante's Sat. Oct. 18-Seattle, Wa. Graceland Sun. Oct. 19-Eugene, OR. The WOW Hall Mon., Oct. 20-Laciviously rummage through gifts from fans. Tue., Oct. 21-San Francisco, Ca. Slims Wed., Oct. 22- La CA The Troubador Thur. Oct. 23- Finalize new album mixes at fancy recording studio in Hollyood. Fri.,Oct. 24-Tucson, AZ. Club Congress Sat. Oct. 25- Make up after small disagreement. Sun. , Oct. 26-Houston, Engine room Mon., Oct. 27-Austin , TX. Stubb's Tue., Oct. 28-Dallas, TX. Trees Wed., Oct. 29- Waco? Brownsville? Thur. , Oct. 30- Huntsville? Natchez? You tell us. Fri., Oct. 31-New Orleans, LA. House of Blues [Parish] Sat. Nov., 1- Atlanta, Ga. The Echo Lounge Sun. , Nov. 2-Memphis? Mon Nov.3 Fayetteville, ARK J.R.'s Lightbulb Opening for Belle & Sebastian: Tue., Nov. 4- Lawrence, Ks. Liberty Hall Wed., Nov. 5- St. Louis, Mo. The Pageant Thur., Nov. 6- Columbus, Oh. Mershon Aud. Fri., Nov. 7-Detroit, Mi. State Theater Sat., Nov. 8-Toronto, Ont. Massey hall Tue., Nov. 11-N.Y., N.Y. -Town Hall Wed., Nov. 12-Northampton, MA. Calvin Theater Thur. , Nov. 13-Boston, MA. -The Orpheum Fri., Nov. 14-Phil., Pa. Tower Theater Don't forget December! Fri., Dec. 12-N.Y., N.Y. Irving Plaza [supporting Mindlesss Self Indulgence] Gee, we hope this is right. Love, Rasputina Click on the link below to be removed from the Rasputina mailing list. http://www.rasputina.com/cgi/subscribe.pl?jmgurley@drizzle.com Proudly powered by Subscribe Me Lite (http://www.cgiscriptcenter.com) - -- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 21:29:02 -0700 From: Steve VanDevender Subject: Fwd: The Imperfection that is Rasputina Neile Graham writes: > For those interested. > Sun. Oct. 19-Eugene, OR. The WOW Hall Yay! I was hoping they would fill in that gap in their previous tour schedule in that way. I saw Rasputina last year (almost a year ago to the day as this newly-schedule show) and had a great time. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 22:41:34 -0700 (PDT) From: karen hester Subject: 'the world is bound by secret knots' by Noe Venable 'the world is bound by secret knots' by Noe Venable (www.noevenable.com) Following the twigs and brambles and evening purples of the lovely cd design, I see this as an album of night garden music. The day is "dissolving into night", and you can hide in Juniper branches, look through droplets on leaves, meet a woman with lilies in her eyes, shoot sparks in the dark, then sleep in the garden and dream a 'midsummer night's dream' about Aslan and the Silver Queen. Listen closely and you'll hear how the whispers, a violin, piano, mandolin and guitars build melody above solid percussion bases, and join with a girlish voice which sings and converses and exclaims. Like all gardens there are stars and supporting plants. 'riverWide' opens the album with a ghostly piano line and keyboard hum as the singer secretly awakens. 'Juniper' stands higher, the plucking percussive background so damn toe-tapping, the vocal melody catchy enough that it'd work a cappella. This is one of my favourite songs this year. Noe Venable's lyrics are superb as she lists reasons to not leave her hiding place "safe in the branches of Juniper's arms" - "Mama oh mama don't make me come down 'cause I don't know what will come out of my mouth", "Mama I've seen them the others like me ... the silent procession that crosses the snow," "Mama oh mama I'm holding your hand in these glorious dreams in which you understand." I love how in this song and others you're drawn into myth and stories which are unique and personal, but not so personal as to not resonate with the listener. The following 'tower' is lovely as it gently twists around the base of 'Juniper'. It's a gentle tune with a whispered melody and will probably come out of the shadow with more listenings; it ends with the gorgeously sung "you will awaken it's an eventuality". 'Black Madonna' and the later 'is the spirit here' are album centerpieces full of words and many of the lyrics are spoken. 'Black Madonna' theatrically introduces you to the 'god of strays', and then questions her care of her subjects. 'is the spirit here' steps more lightly in its search for a Presence, with a mandolin and girlish squeals. The simpler ballad 'garden' has a gorgeous screeching violin; "I lay my head upon your chest bones of iron". The percussion sounds a bit programmed, as it does elsewhere on the album. 'midsummer night's dream is one of my favourites - gorgeous and sad and full of memories and hope for the future. The music is possibly not so peculiar to Noe Venable as some of the songs (I can imagine other people covering it). She asks, "what kind of creature shall I be?" She dreams in the song 'lilies', but there is a weight of events upon her, which build up along with the drums. 'feral' is frantic and passionate in its rejection of family and the chants of "I'm not scared I'm not scared". Perhaps it expresses discomfort with becoming a grown-up. Many of these songs are children hiding or unsure or dreaming. There's a fascinating and magical world of protective trees and madonnas, and skeleton ladies and book characters that she identifies with, but the 'real world' covered in 'Black Madonna' and 'is the spirit here?' is full of dirtiness and ugliness. Elsewhere, in the world of adults, the man in the catchy 'simple song' has turned her as 'silver as a widow', and her wings were cut to stumps in the bouncy piano cabaret 'wings again'. Then in the song snippet 'doll comes to life', Noe Venable says "Find yourself another doll to pin your dreams upon/ Find yourself another doll 'cause this one's leaving", so perhaps there is some other way out and away rather than joining in with that ugly world. Against the stately piano chords of 'in the dark' Noe Venable sings of how she found a way to "touch" and "taste" and "kiss and dance and scream" unafraid in the dark. This album can bear alot of listening. Karen __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com ------------------------------ End of ecto-digest V9 #280 **************************