From: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org (ecto-digest) To: ecto-digest@smoe.org Subject: ecto-digest V9 #265 Reply-To: ecto@smoe.org Sender: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk ecto-digest Friday, September 19 2003 Volume 09 : Number 265 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Today's your birthday, friend... [Mike Matthews ] second chances [Steve VanDevender ] Aural Grat Website [aural gratification ] Re: Jane Siberry - new album and tour [AzeemAK@aol.com] odds and ends ["Adam K." ] NEW DATE - Two Loons House Concert [DLynngarrett@aol.com] Liz Phair [AzeemAK@aol.com] Re: Liz Phair [alberto carrasco ] Re: odds and ends ["Peter Clark" ] Noe Venables [] Re: odds and ends ["neal copperman" ] Re: Liz Phair [ToriCure@aol.com] Re: Liz Phair [Joseph Zitt ] Free Warren Zevon retrospective now available [Ethan Straffin ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 03:00:01 -0400 (EDT) From: Mike Matthews Subject: Today's your birthday, friend... i*i*i*i*i*i i*i*i*i*i*i *************** *****HAPPY********* **************BIRTHDAY********* *************************************************** *************************************************************************** ****************** Troy Wollenslegel (no Email address) ******************* *************************************************************************** -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- - -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Troy Wollenslegel Mon September 18 1972 Virgo Mark Frabotta Sun September 19 1965 Don't even THINK about parking here Joe Zitt Sat September 20 1958 Will Hack for CDs Ani DiFranco Wed September 23 1970 Virgo Lord Tyr Mon September 24 1979 Libran Paul Kim Sat October 01 1977 fetal position JoAnn Whetsell Fri October 01 1976 Pendulum William Gill Wed October 05 1960 A wide-eyed wanderer Dan Riley Sun October 08 1961 Libra Neile Graham Wed October 08 1958 pen Quenby M. Chunco Tue October 08 1968 Crunchy Frog Mike Garland Wed October 08 1952 Creature_of_the_Night Irvin Lin Tue October 09 1973 Libra Michael C. Berch Wed October 10 1956 No parking Chris Gagnon Sat October 10 1970 Libra Wolfgang Drotschmann Thu October 13 1966 Waage Gracescape Fri October 13 1967 unbalanced Brian Bloom Tue October 14 1969 spam Erik N. Johnson Tue October 16 1962 Handle with Care Kim Klouda Tue October 17 1967 Libra - -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 00:23:18 -0700 From: Steve VanDevender Subject: second chances Some may remember a post I made back in May with a subject something like "AAAAGH!" where I lamented finding out about Vienna Teng playing here in Eugene _after_ it had already happened. Tuesday night I happened to notice a local news promo which mentioned Vienna Teng, and I was about ready to go "AAAAGH!" again thinking they were doing a story about her after she had been in town again and I had missed it. So although I normally never watch the local news I kept this one on, and found out she was playing tonight. Phew. Vienna played at a venue called Cafe Paradiso (which I also suggested when Happy put out the word about looking for places to play on her house concert tour; it's not a house but the performance area is a lot like a living room, just a bit larger). It was pretty much full by the time I got there, but fortunately I always bring my own chair so I can be pretty flexible about where I sit. Vienna herself is just wonderful. Her low-pitched speaking voice and dry and often self-deprecating wit are a little reminiscent of Happy Rhodes, although her music is quite different. Much of her between-song banter was stories about how the songs themselves came about, or little anecdotes like how a friend forwarded her a review of _Waking Hour_ from Sports Illustrated Online under the subject "BOOTY MUSIC!", where the reviewer recommended the album as a way for guys to fool their dates into thinking they were sensitive. She also mentioned that she has finished a second album that should be out in February, which she played a couple of songs from, and coaxed the audience into an audience-participation version of "Soon Love Soon" which came off very well and seemed to please her immensely. I was sort of wondering why no one had mentioned any upcoming Vienna Teng tour plans, and now that I look I see that this Eugene show appears to be the first one on a fall tour, see http://virtrecords.com/viennateng/news_tour.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 04:05:17 -0400 From: aural gratification Subject: Aural Grat Website heya Well I finally got some sembelence of website goin. auralgratification.com It's not any masterwork in design believe me, but it's somethin' and there's some current info in the "news" section. Please check it out and when I can bear to look at a computer screen again, I'll try and clean up the mess I made. These things should be left to the people who know how to do it. Thanks KB ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 07:10:53 EDT From: AzeemAK@aol.com Subject: Re: Jane Siberry - new album and tour In a message dated 18/09/2003 04:09:31 GMT Daylight Time, meth@smoe.org writes: << was the uninspired performance you saw solo, or with other musicians? In my experience she's been pretty much all over the map while performing solo because there's no one else there to bring her back onto our plane of existence, but she's much more focused with an ensemble. >> Well, a solo show she did at the Borderline (a tiny venue in London) is one of the most unforgettable gigs I've been to! She had large numbers of the audience in floods of tears, particularly when she played In My Dream, one of the most heartbreakingly beautiful songs I've ever heard. At one point she got two people out of the audience to hold down one note each on the keyboard as she sang When First I Was A Fisherman. It was a mind-blowing performance. I also saw her with the full NY-trilogy band at the Union Chapel, one of London's most beautiful venues, when she did Oh My My in full. That was unforgettable. And then there was a time when she played with just a pianist, trumpet player and Rebecca Campbell on vocals, when she sang Haint It Funny for what might have been the first time (I still have the typed out lyrics!). That was unforgettable too... Can you see the pattern emerging here? :-) Azeem IN London NP: Mary Coughlan - Under The Influence ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 13:36:30 +0100 From: "Adam K." Subject: odds and ends The good thing about being unemployed (a hopefully temporary glitch in a master plan that isn't quite running its intended course) is that I don't feel the need to indulge quite so much in EWS, and am content to sit at home, looking for work, writing, and listen to cd's that I'd forgotten about. It also affords me time to give extra listens to material I'd acquired before I entered this state, so I thought I'd comment on a few of them. Grand/Erin McKeown: I know she has her fans here, she's one of the people I've been meaning to check out for some time, now. But...well, it's pleasant enough, I guess, but there's nothing here that really grabs me. I've listened to it several times hoping that something will leap out at me but, apart from the Go-Go-esque "Cinematic", I can't think of it as anything other than...pleasant. The Thorns/The Thorns: I really like Matthew Sweet's stuff, and was very interested in this idea, although I've never heard of the other two involved. Hmmm. Falling somewhere between a CSN tribute band and the Travelling Wilbury's, this is sweetly harmonised but utterly bland and disposable stuff, and I can only look forward to Sweet's next SOLO work, and hope he puts a bit more fire into it. Welcome to Pagan Place/Laura Love: A major disappointment from the woman who brought us the blistering, impassioned Octoroon. Her politics are still radical, but even her protest song, in which she sings "I'm tired of being pretty, I'm tired of being nice" is...well, pretty and nice. It's a toothless and insipid work, and even the Laura Love newsgroup, who usually fall over themselves to praise anything she does, have been suspiciously silent about it. Jet/Katell Keineg: A major find, here. Another much-loved and talked-about artist that I've been meaning to check out for a while, this is my first order from CD Baby (fun guys, and ultra-efficient) and...well, I just can't stop listening to it. There are so many things going on, here: so many ideas, so many different textures and styles, but she never slips into pastiche, and always transforms her material into something startlingly original and sometimes quite disturbing. I'd put her, along with Veda Hille, into the "undefinable" category, and promise myself I'll follow up on her again. As soon as I get a job. Fan Favourites So Far/Wendy Ip: Anyone know anything about her, or have seen her? This was a gamble, having stumbled upon her website, been struck by her beauty and intrigued by the couple of songs I downloaded (at work, where we had broadband. Oh, those were the days...). It shows promise, and there are a couple of great songs, but it's more of an indicator as to what she's possible of rather than a full-blown acheivment. Still, one to watch. O/Damien Rice: Much lauded/hyped irish singer/songwriter, whose independent label have even shelled out for tv ads. Pleasant enough, but if you've heard "Volcano" there's nothing else here that can touch it. There's a tendency to meander in the manner of Tom McRae's last outing, strumming aimlessly and singing with heartfelt moaning about...well, whatever. There are a few inspired moments, particularly the mental closing track which even ropes in an opera singer, but he owes a lot to Lisa Hannigan, his co-vocalist, who adds a bit of colour and beauty to a few songs. White Magic for Lovers/Drugstore: This isn't a new one, but one I thought I'd listen to having ignored it for a couple of years or so. When I first started going back to gigs in the mid-90's, the first one I saw was the Smashing Pumpkins. They were dreadful, but Drugstore opened for them, and I couldn't help be impressed by their humour, energy, and their obvious love of performing (all three qualities the Pumpkins lacked). Isabel Monteiro is their lead person, playing bass and singing and writing the songs. This is their second album, from '98 (I believe they've released another one since then) and it's a wonderfully eccentric, tuneful indie rock. Worth it just for the Thom Yorke guest vocal. Okay, I just wanted to get that all off of my chest. I have to go now, Murder She Wrote is about to start. Ahh, the perks of the unemployed. adam k. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 09:16:54 -0400 From: DLynngarrett@aol.com Subject: NEW DATE - Two Loons House Concert Hi Everyone, We have had a change of plans regarding the Two Loons for Tea House Concert in Toledo, Ohio. Originally scheduled for this Sunday afternoon, Sept 21st, the show is now being planned for Friday evening, September 26th at 8 pm. If you are interested in attending this show please respond by email with the number in your party as soon as possible. With a change in date, I want to make sure we have a good turnout :) According to Johnathan, they are planning to debut some new material so those of you in Michigan and Ohio please consider coming out for this one. Details are below ....I will provide directions privately for those who will be attending. Live In My Living Room Presents: Two Loons For Tea When: Friday, September 26th Where: Toledo, Ohio Time: 8pm Donation: $10 per person snacks and beverages provided all proceeds go to the band Look forward to seeing you there! Lynn dlynngarrett@aol.com cell - 734-231-8515 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 09:29:13 EDT From: AzeemAK@aol.com Subject: Liz Phair Well, whatever the merits or otherwise of Liz's new album, I think we can all agree that Exile In Guyville was one of the most remarkable debuts of the last decade or two. I'm listening to it right now, and it still sounds as punchy and concise as ever, full of moments of brilliance. Azeem in London NP: Shatter ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 08:20:48 -0700 (PDT) From: alberto carrasco Subject: Re: Liz Phair Well, as long as you're going to put words in my mouth... Not ALL of us agree. I never understood the hoopla surrounding Liz or Exile. I always found her observations unremarkable (Gee, women have a sex drive, too? Who knew?), her singing fairly cringeworthy, especially live, and her sex kitten image just plain annoying... especially here in Chicago, where she lived at the time of that release. You couldn't turn around without seeing her signature open-mouthed-nipply-moan-of-ecstasy pose... I always thought Marianne Faithfull covered similar ground long before... and in a much more articulate and interesting way.... just my opinion. - --- AzeemAK@aol.com wrote: I think we can all agree that Exile In Guyville was one of the most remarkable debuts of the last decade or two. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 08:22:08 -0700 From: "Peter Clark" Subject: Re: odds and ends Bless you. More new stuff to try. EWS be damned. Peter C - -=High Performance Analogue for the 21st Century=- www.redpoint-audio-design.com - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Adam K." To: "Ecto" Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2003 5:36 AM Subject: odds and ends > The good thing about being unemployed (a hopefully temporary glitch in a > master plan that isn't quite running its intended course) is that I don't > feel the need to indulge quite so much in EWS, and am content to sit at > home, looking for work, writing, and listen to cd's that I'd forgotten > about. It also affords me time to give extra listens to material I'd > acquired before I entered this state, so I thought I'd comment on a few of > them. > > Grand/Erin McKeown: I know she has her fans here, she's one of the people > I've been meaning to check out for some time, now. But...well, it's > pleasant enough, I guess, but there's nothing here that really grabs me. > I've listened to it several times hoping that something will leap out at me > but, apart from the Go-Go-esque "Cinematic", I can't think of it as anything > other than...pleasant. > > The Thorns/The Thorns: I really like Matthew Sweet's stuff, and was very > interested in this idea, although I've never heard of the other two > involved. Hmmm. Falling somewhere between a CSN tribute band and the > Travelling Wilbury's, this is sweetly harmonised but utterly bland and > disposable stuff, and I can only look forward to Sweet's next SOLO work, and > hope he puts a bit more fire into it. > > Welcome to Pagan Place/Laura Love: A major disappointment from the woman > who brought us the blistering, impassioned Octoroon. Her politics are still > radical, but even her protest song, in which she sings "I'm tired of being > pretty, I'm tired of being nice" is...well, pretty and nice. It's a > toothless and insipid work, and even the Laura Love newsgroup, who usually > fall over themselves to praise anything she does, have been suspiciously > silent about it. > > Jet/Katell Keineg: A major find, here. Another much-loved and talked-about > artist that I've been meaning to check out for a while, this is my first > order from CD Baby (fun guys, and ultra-efficient) and...well, I just can't > stop listening to it. There are so many things going on, here: so many > ideas, so many different textures and styles, but she never slips into > pastiche, and always transforms her material into something startlingly > original and sometimes quite disturbing. I'd put her, along with Veda Hille, > into the "undefinable" category, and promise myself I'll follow up on her > again. As soon as I get a job. > > Fan Favourites So Far/Wendy Ip: Anyone know anything about her, or have seen > her? This was a gamble, having stumbled upon her website, been struck by > her beauty and intrigued by the couple of songs I downloaded (at work, where > we had broadband. Oh, those were the days...). It shows promise, and there > are a couple of great songs, but it's more of an indicator as to what she's > possible of rather than a full-blown acheivment. Still, one to watch. > > O/Damien Rice: Much lauded/hyped irish singer/songwriter, whose independent > label have even shelled out for tv ads. Pleasant enough, but if you've > heard "Volcano" there's nothing else here that can touch it. There's a > tendency to meander in the manner of Tom McRae's last outing, strumming > aimlessly and singing with heartfelt moaning about...well, whatever. There > are a few inspired moments, particularly the mental closing track which even > ropes in an opera singer, but he owes a lot to Lisa Hannigan, his > co-vocalist, who adds a bit of colour and beauty to a few songs. > > White Magic for Lovers/Drugstore: This isn't a new one, but one I thought > I'd listen to having ignored it for a couple of years or so. When I first > started going back to gigs in the mid-90's, the first one I saw was the > Smashing Pumpkins. They were dreadful, but Drugstore opened for them, and I > couldn't help be impressed by their humour, energy, and their obvious love > of performing (all three qualities the Pumpkins lacked). Isabel Monteiro is > their lead person, playing bass and singing and writing the songs. This is > their second album, from '98 (I believe they've released another one since > then) and it's a wonderfully eccentric, tuneful indie rock. Worth it just > for the Thom Yorke guest vocal. > > Okay, I just wanted to get that all off of my chest. I have to go now, > Murder She Wrote is about to start. Ahh, the perks of the unemployed. > > adam k. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 08:26:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Subject: Noe Venables For them what care, Noe Venables will be performing live on Seattle public radio station KUOW today at 2:00pm, pacific time, as part of their arts program The Beat. KUOW has streaming audio, so those not in the Seattle area can listen. Enjoy! - -J ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 16:36:06 -0000 From: "neal copperman" Subject: Re: odds and ends Nice collection Adam. At least some of us are benefiting from your unemployment :) "Adam K." said: > Grand/Erin McKeown: ... I can't think of it as anything > other than...pleasant. My parent's use pleasant as the ultimate compliment. I keep trying to cure them of that, but for them, it means (like it's definition) "giving pleasure", whereas for me (and I think you), it means innocuous. > Welcome to Pagan Place/Laura Love: A major disappointment from the woman > who brought us the blistering, impassioned Octoroon. Her politics are still > radical, but even her protest song, in which she sings "I'm tired of being > pretty, I'm tired of being nice" is...well, pretty and nice. It's a > toothless and insipid work, and even the Laura Love newsgroup, who usually > fall over themselves to praise anything she does, have been suspiciously > silent about it. I just saw Laura a few weeks ago and she still put on an exciting show. It did seem a touch nicer then I remembered in years past, and Laura definitely LOOKS nicer, in an Oprah 'do rather then the long braided hair of Octaroon. I picked up Pagan Place, but haven't given it a listen yet. There were several songs that worked great live that I saw were on the album. > Jet/Katell Keineg: A major find, here. Another much-loved and talked-about > artist that I've been meaning to check out for a while, this is my first > order from CD Baby (fun guys, and ultra-efficient) and...well, I just can't > stop listening to it. There are so many things going on, here: so many > ideas, so many different textures and styles, but she never slips into > pastiche, and always transforms her material into something startlingly > original and sometimes quite disturbing. I'd put her, along with Veda Hille, > into the "undefinable" category, and promise myself I'll follow up on her > again. As soon as I get a job. Jet (and O Seasons, O Castles) is such a great album! I used to grab copies from the throwaway bins to give to people, but I stopped finding takers. I still have a few, though I'm sure they can be found for a dollar all over the net. Well worth seeking out though. Her latest ep is pretty solid too, and I'm really looking forward to the new album. > White Magic for Lovers/Drugstore: This isn't a new one, but one I thought > I'd listen to having ignored it for a couple of years or so. When I first > started going back to gigs in the mid-90's, the first one I saw was the > Smashing Pumpkins. They were dreadful, but Drugstore opened for them, and I > couldn't help be impressed by their humour, energy, and their obvious love > of performing (all three qualities the Pumpkins lacked). Isabel Monteiro is > their lead person, playing bass and singing and writing the songs. This is > their second album, from '98 (I believe they've released another one since > then) and it's a wonderfully eccentric, tuneful indie rock. Worth it just > for the Thom Yorke guest vocal. I should pull that one back out. I loved the first Drugstore album and remember being fond of this one, but it doesn't seem to have left a more concrete impression. neal ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 16:28:44 -0400 From: ToriCure@aol.com Subject: Re: Liz Phair factoryalberto@yahoo.com said : Well, as long as you're going to put words in mymouth... Not ALL of us agree. I never understood the hoopla surrounding Liz orExile. I always found her observations unremarkable(Gee, women have a sex drive, too? Who knew?), hersinging fairly cringeworthy, especially live, and hersex kitten image just plain annoying... especiallyhere in Chicago, where she lived at the time of thatrelease. You couldn't turn around without seeing hersignature open-mouthed-nipply-moan-of-ecstasy pose... --------------------------------------------------------------- Alberto, not to be rude... but have you seriously given that album a few listens? At face value, I can understand why you assume your opinion but there is so much more beneath the monotone voice and seedy photo concept. Despite the obvious sexual-shock rock content, her lyrics often paint a remarkable picture about human nature and relationships. No other artists have been able to express themselves lyrically in quite the same unique manner found on Guyville. I constantly come back to it, listen, and always come away hearing something new that I never picked up on before. And I've been a fan of this record since 94. The great thing about it is you either love it or hate it. Very few things in life are so black and white. There really is no in between. From your observations, it appears that you haven't given it much time or consideration. I highly recommend that you give it a decent try. ------------------------------ Date: 18 Sep 2003 13:52:28 -0700 From: Joseph Zitt Subject: Re: Liz Phair On Thu, 2003-09-18 at 13:28, ToriCure@aol.com wrote: > Alberto, not to be rude... but have you seriously given that album a few listens? At face value, I can understand why you assume your opinion but there is so much more beneath the monotone voice and seedy photo concept. Despite the obvious sexual-shock rock content, her lyrics often paint a remarkable picture about human nature and relationships. No other artists have been able to express themselves lyrically in quite the same unique manner found on Guyville. I constantly come back to it, listen, and always come away hearing something new that I never picked up on before. And I've been a fan of this record since 94. The great thing about it is you either love it or hate it. Very few things in life are so black and white. There really is no in between. From your observations, it appears that you haven't given it much time or consideration. I highly recommend that you give it a decent try. > You seem to be saying that if he doesn't agree with you, he hasn't given it a cry -- yet you admit that people either love it or hate it. From my reading of his message, he has listened to it, and it doesn't work for him (or, for that matter, for me). Yes, "very few things in life are so black and white." Including this album. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 16:29:33 -0700 From: Ethan Straffin Subject: Free Warren Zevon retrospective now available Ha! After much tearing out of hair over the track lists -- not to mention plenty of mucking about in ye olde audio editor to remove the useless silence that initially put them just over the 80-minute mark -- I've finally managed to cram 44 songs into what I honestly feel is the single best Warren Zevon compilation produced to date. In tribute to a good man, I'll be shipping it for free to anyone who emails me his or her snailmail address (or makes arrangements to get it from me in person) by September 30. If you're interested, please respond to this email with the subject line intact, in order to ensure that I don't somehow manage to misplace your request. And, if you like the music, please honor the wishes of Warren's family by making a contribution to VH1's "Save the Music" campaign at -- or, of course, by buying his albums. :) Covers/track lists are here: highwire.stanford.edu/~straffin/zevon1.jpg highwire.stanford.edu/~straffin/zevon2.jpg Ethan - -- Don't let us get sick Don't let us get old Don't let us get stupid, all right? Just make us be brave And make us play nice And let us be together tonight -- Warren William Zevon, 1947-2003 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 00:00:48 -0400 From: meredith Subject: Final reminder: New Haven Folk Festival Hi, The New Haven Folk Festival is THIS WEEKEND!! Friday, September 19 (that's TODAY), we kick things off at 7:30 pm with the Grassy Hill Song Circle at the First Presbyterian Church in New Haven. This is a Falcon Ridge workshop-style round-robin performance featuring: RACHAEL DAVIS MICHAEL HSU ZOE LEWIS BROOKS WILLIAMS Saturday, September 20 (that's TOMORROW) we have our main event at 7:00 at Trinity Church on the Green, on the corner of Temple and Chapel Streets in downtown New Haven. Featuring, in order of appearance: Yale's folk choir TANGLED UP IN BLUE JOSH WHITE, JR. ERIN MCKEOWN JOHN GORKA Then on Sunday, September 21 we wrap things up with our annual Hoot In The Park, in Edgerton Park on the New Haven/Hamden line. Bring your guitars, banjos, kazoos, whatever and jam the afternoon away with your fellow folk fans -- it's free! If you've been thinking of going, make that a definite!! There are still plenty of prime seats left for both the Friday and Saturday events. All the info is at . Hope to see a bunch of you there... =============================================== Meredith Tarr New Haven, CT USA mailto:meth@smoe.org http://www.smoe.org/meth =============================================== Live At The House O'Muzak House Concert Series http://muzak.smoe.org =============================================== ------------------------------ End of ecto-digest V9 #265 **************************