From: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org (ecto-digest) To: ecto-digest@smoe.org Subject: ecto-digest V9 #262 Reply-To: ecto@smoe.org Sender: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk ecto-digest Tuesday, September 16 2003 Volume 09 : Number 262 Today's Subjects: ----------------- those three questions ["Adam K." ] Re: more three question blah blah... [alberto carrasco ] RE: Questions (there are no wrong answers) [jjhanson@att.net] NLE [kerrywhite@webtv.net (kerry white)] RE: those three questions ["William Mazur" ] slight correction, "Quest for Kadath" [cyo@landoftheblind.com] Re: My Bloody Valentine Update [Paul Blair ] Attn: New Yorkers [KBolin0418@aol.com] Attn: New Yorkers [KBolin0418@aol.com] Re: Attn: New Yorkers [meredith ] Re: Attn: New Yorkers [James Gurley ] help with song [Neal Copperman ] Re: help with song [Tom Masapollo ] Re: Attn: New Yorkers [DanStark <2003.carnivore99@verizon.net>] Fiamma Fumana US (midwest) dates [Hooplessly Unfroody ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 11:55:51 +0100 From: "Adam K." Subject: those three questions Ooooh, this is good, and never have such responses elicited such a sense of "D'oh!" in me, as I slap my hand to my brow and reappraise my own answers. Okay, not all of them: I stick by my first. As I said, I'm not a Bowie fan -- I like him and respect him, but have never been able to get into his albums, for some reason -- but I still think that there's been no-one else who set trends quite like he did in his heyday. As for the second, which I didn't answer at the time, I now put forward Juliet Turner's "Burn the Black Suit", so glossed up (or should that be "sexed up"?) that it drowns out the true nature of her lovely voice. I'd also put in a vote for Kathleen Edward's "Failer", which is a far too understated trailer for just how good she is live, plodding in the studio when she rocks onstage, with humour and verve. It's this last question that I have my "D'oh!" factor, and I have to agree with alberto's response of Lou Reed and Brian Eno, with the caveat: Did anyone really "love" Metal Machine Music? I remember the reviews at the time, and the descriptions of it, and the fact that it was listed as having the most returns and unsold copies of any record at the time. Still, that was over 20 years ago, and it seems to have been reappraised and called "seminal", so mabye it's just the musical luddite in me. As for Eno...oh, yes, definitely. I love his initial solo albums, but when I got "Discreet Music" I thought "Has he gone too far? Or have I?" and started listening to AM music for a while. It's a fascinating album, okay, but I used to put it on when I couldn't sleep. Then I lent it to someone who never returned it. Oh well. Along the same lines, I guess, I'd put in King Crimson, who's "Court of the Crimson King", with it's lush and epic production, is very different from the stripped down, bone-shivering dynamics of "Red". And Bill -- much as I love Yes.....Drama? Talk? Or even 90125? I'm listening to the latter right now and, if it weren't for Anderson's voice, it could be any stadium rock band (think Journey). They all had their moments, sure, but it's a long gap between "Close to the Edge" and "90125". Actually, that could be a contender for Question #3! Good questions, Karen. This one will run... adam k. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 07:48:25 -0700 (PDT) From: alberto carrasco Subject: Re: more three question blah blah... - --- "Adam K." wrote: >>> As I said, I'm not a Bowie fan -- I like him and respect him, but have never been able to get into his albums, for some reason -- but I still think that there's been no-one else who set trends quite like he did in his heyday. ~ The only reason I didnt mention Bowie was because I thought his output in the 80s (with the possible exception of "Lets Dance", despite its crass commercialism, and its owing much of its soul to Stevie Ray Vaughan) and 90s (with the exception of "Outside", thanks largely to Eno) was so weak But "The Man Who Sold the World" through "Scary Monsters" is a string of influential and important recordings most musicians couldnt even dream of. >>>Did anyone really "love" Metal Machine Music? I remember the reviews at the time, and the descriptions of it, and the fact that it was listed as having the most returns and unsold copies of any record at the time. Still, that was over 20 years ago, and it seems to have been reappraised and called "seminal", so mabye it's just the musical luddite in me. As for Eno...oh, yes, definitely. I love his initial solo albums, but when I got "Discreet Music" I thought "Has he gone too far? Or have I?" and started listening to AM music for a while. It's a fascinating album, okay, but I used to put it on when I couldn't sleep. Then I lent it to someone who never returned it. Oh well. ~ I have to admit I loved "Metal Machine Music" then and now. I recall my friends being fairly horrified Id put it on and listen to it from beginning to end for ENJOYMENT. heh. But they said the same thing when I listened to Tangerine Dream, Klaus Schulze, or the later industrial noise of Throbbing Gristle, SPK, Boyd Rice and early Cabaret Voltaire or for that matter: The Ramones... I think rhythmic noise can have such a primal, sensual quality to it... but that's just me. I make recordings of construction machinery, too. And I think Discreet Music has gotten even more beautiful over the years. Its simplicity and that vague "whale song" quality it has are still moving to me and it seemed like a prettier, though natural fit with the minimalism of Steve Reich, Terry Riley, Morton Subotnick, Lamonte Young, Philip Glass et. al, I was so into at the time well and even to this day. I remember getting the same vibe sitting in the birdhouse of the San Diego Zoo as a college student on a weekday when the zoo opened and before the tourists showed up and sitting for hours listening to and recording all kinds of exotic birds. Cheers! Great topic from Kiwiland. Thanks, Karen. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 12:31:39 -0500 From: "Mattoon, Melanie" Subject: RE: Questions (there are no wrong answers) >What artist do you think has put out the longest run of consistently great >albums? The Cure - Pornography, Disintegration and Bloodflowers are really great records and they span 18 years. There are good albums in between as well (I enjoy Wish, Kiss Me, Kiss Me, Kiss Me and Wild Mood Swings a lot). >Among the albums that you love, which are the two by one artist that are >the most different from one another? Patty Griffin - Flaming Red and Living with Ghosts are so different (hard-rocking and acoustic), but I love them both. Mel - -----Original Message----- From: karen hester [mailto:k_hester_k@yahoo.co.nz] Sent: Saturday, September 13, 2003 8:27 PM To: ecto@smoe.org Subject: Questions (there are no wrong answers) Kia Ora Here are some questions I'm not sure of my own answers to. What artist do you think has put out the longest run of consistently great albums? What's your favourite example of an album with great songs, but the recorded versions are terrible? (due to whatever - instruments, players, production). Among the albums that you love, which are the two by one artist that are the most different from one another? Karen __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 11:20:31 -0700 (PDT) From: alberto carrasco Subject: RE: yet more 3 question blah... Another great choice I considered... Definitely a tremendous body of work... I wasn't a big fan of Bloodflowers though for you to mention those three, I'm sure you have the recently released Trilogy DVD in which they perform those 3 albums in their entirety. A must for any Cure fan. And the Bloodflowers material does sound much better live though not in the league of the other two albums, IMHO. Kiss Me is my favorite disc of theirs hand down and as far as Wild Mood Swings and Wish... Love the somber material... not real big on the shiny happy stuff... Just lovin' the sound of my own voice today. heh. Laterz.... - --- "Mattoon, Melanie" wrote: > >What artist do you think has put out the longest run of consistently great albums? The Cure - Pornography, Disintegration and Bloodflowers are really great records and they span 18 years. There are good albums in between as well (I enjoy Wish, Kiss Me, Kiss Me, Kiss Me and Wild Mood Swings a lot). __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 12:54:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Subject: My Bloody Valentine Update Well, since I started this whole reunion thing, I might as well add what I just heard about My Bloody Valentine on NPR this afternoon. Alex Chadwick was interviewing Kevin Shields on Day to Day about his contributions to the soundtrack to Sophia Coppola's new movie Lost In Translation. Apparently, Shields and crew tried from 1993 to 1997 to finish a new MBV disc. However, according to Shields it never worked out. So MBV is pretty much a dead entity. Not much hope of a reunion. Shields has been focusing of late on his work with Primal Scream, and he's also branching out as a solo artist. Whatever that means. He also has a new home studio and said the only way he'll ever get things done and out there is if he can do it spontaneously in his own studio and not have to book time blah blah blah, which is kind of ironic considering he was known for obsessing over stuff and which is probably the reason why the unreleased MBV stuff has never seen the light. Oh yeah, he also said that one of his contributions to the soundtrack is an MBV song. Offhand, right now, I don't know if it's unreleased or from one of their albums. Anyay, that's the MBV poop. Jim ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 20:08:54 +0000 From: jjhanson@att.net Subject: RE: Questions (there are no wrong answers) >What artist do you think has put out the longest run of consistently >great albums? I'd bring up a couple of artists that haven't been mentioned yet: Annie Lennox - both with Eurythmics and without--I don't think she's ever put out a bad album (well, wasn't a huge of In the Garden), some definitely are better than others, but they're all good. Everything but the Girl - another group that has evolved over time but has consistnetly put out consistently good albums. Holly Cole is another who consistently puts out great albums. >>Among the albums that you love, which are the two by one artist that are >>the most different from one another? This is the most difficult for me, but Jane Siberry, as Neal already mentioned, has got to be mentioned--from the meticulously crafted When I Was a Boy, to the loose improv nature of Maria has to be one of the most radical. I'm sure I'll think of others, but seem to be unable to at the moment. > What's your favourite example of an album with great songs, but the > recorded versions are terrible? There isn't any one particular album, but Jewel's recorded material has never lived up to her live performances. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 15:33:10 -0500 (CDT) From: kerrywhite@webtv.net (kerry white) Subject: NLE Hi, I received NLE on Saturday. I put into the DVD/CD player and left the fancy amp set to "movie' and the room is >filled< with sounds, both wonderous and majestic. I get a bit aphasic when I try to describe it. Good stuff!! bye, KrW I'm Peter Pan! I'm perpetually young!! OW!! What's wrong with my back? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 13:40:28 -0700 From: "William Mazur" Subject: RE: those three questions Adam, I do completely agree with you that when you compare "Close to the Edge" to "90125", that the latter pales in comparison to the former. I believe I said something to that effect in my original post. For me "Close to the Edge" is a true masterpiece. It is #3 on my personal Top 100 CDs of all time. The other three Yes albums you mention are nowhere to be found on that list. However, from my perspective, they are still "good" albums. The songwriting and musicianship is solid. I don't view them as typical stadium rock. I admit that I may have bent the rules a little bit. Karen specifically asked for us to mention artists with the longest string of consistently "great" albums. I don't believe the albums from Yes that you mention are "great", merely "good". Bill And Bill -- much as I love Yes.....Drama? Talk? Or even 90125? I'm listening to the latter right now and, if it weren't for Anderson's voice, it could be any stadium rock band (think Journey). They all had their moments, sure, but it's a long gap between "Close to the Edge" and "90125". Actually, that could be a contender for Question #3! Good questions, Karen. This one will run... adam k. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 15:32:29 -0700 From: cyo@landoftheblind.com Subject: slight correction, "Quest for Kadath" hi all, just noticed that Michael P posted the Kadath press release to Ecto, which is great. I noticed one small ego-bending thing, that the director said the stand-alone cd was by Land of the Blind........and after being locked in my closet/studio ALONE for weeks missing the end of summer, creating like a mad-woman, I woke up and took notice. I mean, I guess I am Land of the Blind, but I am also me. Funny, eh? And since none of the current or past band members, except for Mark Brown, Blind's keyboardist for 2 years, 4 years ago, (he's wonderful by the way, has 3 songs I tainted/changed/warped in the movie), had much to do with any of Kadath, and since I wrote 93.728% of all the music, just for this film, well it gets sticky. The director hired me as sound supervisor and music creator, not Land o' Blind (as most of the body of work of LOB doesn't fit for this dark movie...) It's just I'd hate for folks to think that this bizarre, sci-fi, dark, brooding, prog, warped and wonderful album was a new release by a mellow, spiritual tribal-trance band that had taken a wrong turn somewhere! hahaha OK, I'll shut my ego up, and go back to my little closet of a studio....it should say: Companion CD, "Quest for Kadath" by Cyoakha Grace, (of Land of the Blind), includes new original works by Cyoakha, Mark Brown and several other guest composers/musicians and is full-length songs from the movie soundtrack. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 20:27:57 -0400 From: Paul Blair Subject: Re: My Bloody Valentine Update At 12:54 -0700 9/15/03, wrote: >Oh yeah, he also said that one of his contributions to the >soundtrack is an MBV song. Offhand, right now, I don't know if it's >unreleased or from one of their albums. It's "Sometimes" from *Loveless.* For the story about the MBV studio work, from back in July, see: http://www.pitchforkmedia.com/news/03-07/15.shtml ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 20:58:20 EDT From: KBolin0418@aol.com Subject: Attn: New Yorkers This was posted today on another mailing list I'm on. Is it for real? If not, I apologize for posting it - Karen in KC - --------------------------------------------------- HELP SAVE THE BOTTOM LINE: A note to friends of the Bottom Line from Allan Pepper and Stanley Snadowsky: The doors may soon close on a thirty year legacy. The Bottom Line has been presenting live music since February 12, 1974, and is owned and operated by Allan Pepper and Stanley Snadowsky, who have been friends since childhood. The Bottom Line is unique because it is a "mom & pop store" amidst a crowded field of conglomerates and corporations. Our main commodity in the club has always been and will always be the music. The Bottom Line has always been, and still is, run by Allan & Stanley, who take a great pride in what they do. They always have and still love the music. The problem is as follows: Even before the terrorist attacks on the World Trader Center, the nation was already feeling the downturn in the economy. Our business, along with so many other small businesses, has not been able to recover since the tragedy of September 11th. Attendance to shows has declined. In addition, our customers are feeling economic stress, our bills have been multiplying, and we have found ourselves substantially behind in our rent. Our landlord, New York University, has started eviction proceedings. During our negotiations with New York University to resolve this situation, the Bottom Line has presented several different proposals to pay our past due rent, while at the same time keeping current with a new, higher rent proposed by NYU. Unfortunately, NYU has not been open to negotiating a long-term solution to our mutual problem. We want to pay off our debt to NYU, but to do so we need to remain in business. To stay in business, we need a promise from NYU that, if we pay off the rental arrears, they won't evict the Bottom Line. Unless we can sway NYU to give us this basic assurance, we won't be able to take the steps necessary to save the Bottom Line. If you'd like to help, here's what you can do. Let NYU know how important the Bottom Line is to the metropolitan area and what a loss it would be if the city was downsized by another landmark - particularly if you are an alumnus/a of NYU. Send a note to John Beckman assistant vice president of the Office of Public Affairs at john.beckman@nyu.edu or Lynne Brown, the VP for University Relations and Public Affairs at NYU at lynne.brown@nyu.edu. Please send us a copy at SaveBLT@aol.com - and please forward this message to your friends. Please support The Bottom Line now. Do not put off seeing a show today because we may not have a tomorrow. You can e-mail us at: SaveBLT@aol.com Thank you for your support. Allan Pepper and Stanley Snadowsky The Bottom Line ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 21:00:21 EDT From: KBolin0418@aol.com Subject: Attn: New Yorkers This was posted today on another mailing list I'm on. Is it for real? If not, I apologize for posting it - Karen in KC - --------------------------------------------------- HELP SAVE THE BOTTOM LINE: A note to friends of the Bottom Line from Allan Pepper and Stanley Snadowsky: The doors may soon close on a thirty year legacy. The Bottom Line has been presenting live music since February 12, 1974, and is owned and operated by Allan Pepper and Stanley Snadowsky, who have been friends since childhood. The Bottom Line is unique because it is a "mom & pop store" amidst a crowded field of conglomerates and corporations. Our main commodity in the club has always been and will always be the music. The Bottom Line has always been, and still is, run by Allan & Stanley, who take a great pride in what they do. They always have and still love the music. The problem is as follows: Even before the terrorist attacks on the World Trader Center, the nation was already feeling the downturn in the economy. Our business, along with so many other small businesses, has not been able to recover since the tragedy of September 11th. Attendance to shows has declined. In addition, our customers are feeling economic stress, our bills have been multiplying, and we have found ourselves substantially behind in our rent. Our landlord, New York University, has started eviction proceedings. During our negotiations with New York University to resolve this situation, the Bottom Line has presented several different proposals to pay our past due rent, while at the same time keeping current with a new, higher rent proposed by NYU. Unfortunately, NYU has not been open to negotiating a long-term solution to our mutual problem. We want to pay off our debt to NYU, but to do so we need to remain in business. To stay in business, we need a promise from NYU that, if we pay off the rental arrears, they won't evict the Bottom Line. Unless we can sway NYU to give us this basic assurance, we won't be able to take the steps necessary to save the Bottom Line. If you'd like to help, here's what you can do. Let NYU know how important the Bottom Line is to the metropolitan area and what a loss it would be if the city was downsized by another landmark - particularly if you are an alumnus/a of NYU. Send a note to John Beckman assistant vice president of the Office of Public Affairs at john.beckman@nyu.edu or Lynne Brown, the VP for University Relations and Public Affairs at NYU at lynne.brown@nyu.edu. Please send us a copy at SaveBLT@aol.com - and please forward this message to your friends. Please support The Bottom Line now. Do not put off seeing a show today because we may not have a tomorrow. You can e-mail us at: SaveBLT@aol.com Thank you for your support. Allan Pepper and Stanley Snadowsky The Bottom Line ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 21:50:55 -0400 From: meredith Subject: Re: Attn: New Yorkers Hi, >HELP SAVE THE BOTTOM LINE: This isn't just for New Yorkers. All ectophiles have a stake in this. Yes, their food sucks and is WAY overpriced. Yes, their tickets are WAY overpriced. Yes, it's absolutely asinine that they continue to insist on doing two shows a night even when there are only 10 people in the audience for the late show. BUT: - -- The Bottom Line has pretty much been the only NYC venue Happy has played at over the years. - -- Jane Siberry's sublime trilogy of live CDs was recorded there. - -- I met Veda Hille for the first time there. - -- woj saw Tori play for the first time there in April of 1992. - -- The "Required Listening" and "Nightbirds" series there have been indispensable in introducing New York City to the likes of Happy, Dar Williams, The Kennedys, and many, many others. Plus, the sound is always excellent, even if the chairs make you wish you lived with a chiropractor. I have seen more incredible shows at The Bottom Line than I can count (admittedly not as many in recent years as in the mid-90's when I was living in New Jersey). It truly is a musical landmark, and it would be a tragedy if it were to go away. =============================================== Meredith Tarr New Haven, CT USA mailto:meth@smoe.org http://www.smoe.org/meth =============================================== Live At The House O'Muzak House Concert Series http://muzak.smoe.org =============================================== ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 19:25:32 -0700 From: James Gurley Subject: Re: Attn: New Yorkers A few years ago Seattle lost a similar concert landmark, The Backstage, in Ballard. It was the host to many many many ecto-ish shows, including the first appearance in Seattle of Tori. Yes, it's food was overpriced, and yes there were some bad seats behind pillars, but we saw Tori, Jane (during her it's not a tour tour), Innocence Mission, Richard Thompson, Robin Hitchcock, Marta Sebastian (sp), Garmana, etc. etc. etc. Sadly, it's now a health club. Jim P.S. I think Neile and I first saw Tori on the same tour as woj did, since a recording of the Backstage show later came out as the boot, A Kiss on The Glass, May 6, 1992. At 9:50 PM -0400 9/15/03, meredith wrote: >Hi, > >>HELP SAVE THE BOTTOM LINE: > > > >This isn't just for New Yorkers. All ectophiles have a stake in >this. Yes, their food sucks and is WAY overpriced. Yes, their >tickets are WAY overpriced. Yes, it's absolutely asinine that they >continue to insist on doing two shows a night even when there are >only 10 people in the audience for the late show. BUT: > >-- The Bottom Line has pretty much been the only NYC venue Happy has >played at over the years. >-- Jane Siberry's sublime trilogy of live CDs was recorded there. >-- I met Veda Hille for the first time there. >-- woj saw Tori play for the first time there in April of 1992. >-- The "Required Listening" and "Nightbirds" series there have been >indispensable in introducing New York City to the likes of Happy, >Dar Williams, The Kennedys, and many, many others. > >Plus, the sound is always excellent, even if the chairs make you >wish you lived with a chiropractor. I have seen more incredible >shows at The Bottom Line than I can count (admittedly not as many in >recent years as in the mid-90's when I was living in New Jersey). >It truly is a musical landmark, and it would be a tragedy if it were >to go away. > > >=============================================== >Meredith Tarr >New Haven, CT USA >mailto:meth@smoe.org >http://www.smoe.org/meth >=============================================== >Live At The House O'Muzak House Concert Series >http://muzak.smoe.org >=============================================== - -- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2003 20:44:32 -0600 From: Neal Copperman Subject: help with song Here's a strange one... I found a song sitting in an odd directory on my computer. It was titled Goodbye, and looked like it should end an album (track listed as 17). It could be a bootleg, but sounds like a studio recording to me. I didn't recognize the song, but a quick lyric's search shows it's a Beatles song. Anyone know female singers who have covered the song that might match this version? I'm really curious where it came from! neal ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 00:18:24 -0400 From: Tom Masapollo Subject: Re: help with song Hi Neal, If it's a Beatles song, then it will be titled "Hello Goodbye" from the Magical Mystery Tour album. Erin Alden did a tribute cover of this song and also Pussycat. Just a wild guess...but it's a start. later, tom At 9/14/03 10:44 PM Sunday, Neal Copperman wrote: >Here's a strange one... > >I found a song sitting in an odd directory on my computer. It was titled Goodbye, and looked like it should end an album (track listed as 17). It could be a bootleg, but sounds like a studio recording to me. I didn't recognize the song, but a quick lyric's search shows it's a Beatles song. > >Anyone know female singers who have covered the song that might match this version? I'm really curious where it came from! > >neal ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 00:09:00 -0400 From: DanStark <2003.carnivore99@verizon.net> Subject: Re: Attn: New Yorkers Meredith pointed out: >Yes, their food sucks and is WAY overpriced. Yes. >Yes, their tickets are WAY overpriced. YES! > Yes, it's absolutely asinine that they continue to insist on doing two > shows a night even when there are only 10 people in the audience for the > late show. YES!! > BUT: > >-- The Bottom Line has pretty much been the only NYC venue Happy has >played at over the years. Hasn't she also played at The Knitting Factory? >-- Jane Siberry / Veda / Tori / "Required Listening" and "Nightbirds", etc. Not that they wouldn't have played elsewhere had The Bottom Line not been there. >Plus, the sound is always excellent It's OK, but I wouldn't call it outstanding. >the chairs make you wish you lived with a chiropractor. And the atmosphere makes you feel like you're in a dungeon. To be honest, I find it hard to have sympathy for a place that gouges its customers and cranks artists through rushed sets as if its a ticket-collecting assembly line. I have avoided many promising shows in NYC *because* they were being presented at The Bottom Line. Their attendance has declined? No kidding. Let's see, they charge $25 and up to see a niche artist, tack on a minimum drink requirement featuring the most expensive drinks in the city, then give that artist a short set time so they can add a late show and try to collect twice as much money from the artist's biggest fans (which is most of the people in the place to begin with). By the time you're finished, a Bottom Line show can easily end up costing you more than most people pay for a major concert at a Ticketmaster venue, at least if you want to see the whole show. No matter what kind of history the place may have, it's the kind of business model I'm not sorry to see fail. In fact, I only hope that if it does go down, it will serve as an example to other NYC venues how *not* to conduct business in the live music industry. This is New York. If The Bottom Line goes away, I'm sure someone else will be waiting in the wings to fill the void. Hopefully it will resemble a great venue like The Point in Bryn Mawr, which places many of the same artists in a much nicer environment at far more appropriate prices. Dan ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 23:18:33 -0500 From: Hooplessly Unfroody Subject: Fiamma Fumana US (midwest) dates While browsing club listings today, I stumbled across a show coming up this month that I hadn't seen advertised before - it would appear that Fiamma Fumana has a precious few (judging from their tour history) US dates scheduled this month, mostly centered around world music festivals in the upper midwest. 13/09/2003 Detroit Festival of the Arts Detroit , MI 14/09/2003 Detroit Festival of the Arts Detroit, MI 18/09/2003 Clark Place Stevens Point, WI 20/09/2003 Chicago World Music Festival Chicago, IL 21/09/2003 Chicago World Music Festival Chicago, IL 22/09/2003 CSPS Cedar Rapids, IA 25/09/2003 Off Broadway St. Louis, MO 26/09/2003 Lotus World Music Festival Bloomington, IN 27/09/2003 Wisconsin Union Theater Madison, WI (+ Mahotella Queens) 28/09/2003 Cedar Cultural Center Minneapolis, MN A bit of research shows the only recent ecto reference was a post in regard to videos Vickie (hi Vickie!) recorded off of WorldLink TV, in which she likened them to "an Italian Varttina". An evening of listening to samples at buy.com would mandate a liberal dose of slightly diluted Brigid Boden be sprinkled on that Varttina to more adequately describe the sound. Non-ecto research reveals Fiamma Fumana is Fiamma Contatto (vocals), Alberto Cottica (accordion, guitar, piano), Jessica Lombardi (Piva Emiliana bagpipes, flute, bodhran), and Medhin Paolos (electronics / DJ). http://www.fiamma.org for more info, though like I mentioned, you're better off looking for samples elsewhere (buy.com, amazon.com, etc.). I don't suppose anyone here has seen them live? It's certainly piqued my interest enough to make the Yo La Tengo w/The Aisler Set show I'd otherwise considered attending that evening a bit less attractive. bob ------------------------------ End of ecto-digest V9 #262 **************************