From: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org (ecto-digest) To: ecto-digest@smoe.org Subject: ecto-digest V9 #261 Reply-To: ecto@smoe.org Sender: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk ecto-digest Monday, September 15 2003 Volume 09 : Number 261 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Today's your birthday, friend... [Mike Matthews ] RE: Questions (there are no wrong answers) ["William Mazur" ] Re: pixies reunion, my bloody valentine [jonathan soong Subject: Today's your birthday, friend... i*i*i*i*i*i i*i*i*i*i*i *************** *****HAPPY********* **************BIRTHDAY********* *************************************************** *************************************************************************** ******************* Karron Lynn Lane (no Email address) ******************* *************************************************************************** -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- - -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Karron Lynn Lane Tue September 14 1751 Ophelia Virgo Troy Wollenslegel Mon September 18 1972 Virgo Mark Frabotta Sun September 19 1965 Don't even THINK about parking here Joe Zitt Sat September 20 1958 Will Hack for CDs Ani DiFranco Wed September 23 1970 Virgo Lord Tyr Mon September 24 1979 Libran Paul Kim Sat October 01 1977 fetal position JoAnn Whetsell Fri October 01 1976 Pendulum William Gill Wed October 05 1960 A wide-eyed wanderer Dan Riley Sun October 08 1961 Libra Neile Graham Wed October 08 1958 pen Quenby M. 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In my estimation, all of their work had been good. There are just several real standout masterpieces (The Yes Album, Fragile, Close to the Edge, Going for the One) from them that make some of their other output appear less potent in comparison. Pink Floyd: They are another band that has always put out interesting and quality music. They started out as one of the truly psychedelic bands of the 60s led by an eccentric, unique and visionary songwriter, Syd Barrett. Out of necessity they evolved into a space/art rock band when they lost Syd, their key songwriter and singer, to his LSD induced madness. They then morphed into mainstream prog rock superstars that had beautifully realized music along with seminal songwriting. They then endured a major split (when Roger Waters left) and still put out good music after that event. Many Roger Waters fanatics would argue that point. I feel that Roger is a brilliant songwriter and lyricist. Pink Floyd still put out very good music after his departure. Jethro Tull: They are another band that has put out consistently good music. They also have several masterpieces in their catalog such as "Thick as a Brick", "Songs from the Wood" and "Minstrel in the Gallery". I first saw these three bands in my mid to late teenage years (1969 to 1972 timeframe). That is probably why they have this kind of impact on me to this day. Runners up: The Beatles: They were the Masters. They showed us all how it was done. They just didn't have a very long career. IMHO, none of their solo recordings was ever as compelling as the work that they did together. I may get some argument with that statement. There are some definite masterpieces in their solo work such as Imagine, Walls and Bridges (Lennon); Venus and Mars, Band on the Run (McCartney), All Things Must Pass (Harrison). Peter Gabriel: If you count Peter's work with Genesis as well as his solo work, he could be right up there with the others I mention above. He is one of my personal icons. I have always loved his music. Kate Bush: Kate gives us wonderfully beautiful and creative music. I love all of her albums including Red Shoes. I know some Kate fans don't like this album very much. Led Zeppelin: Led Zep always put out really interesting music. They started out exploring their blues roots in a unique way. They then added the new and interesting elements of ethnic/world music, English folk and mysticism. They helped pave the way for artists such as Peter Gabriel, Dead Can Dance and Loreena McKennitt in exploring ethic music. The Moody Blues: Their first Core 7 albums are all classic recordings. Since then their recordings have ranged from very good to fair. They are still one of my favorite bands. I have to out them in here. Tori Amos: I like some of her recordings more than others, but they all range from good to fantastic. Happy Rhodes: I love seeing her evolution. All of her albums have gems on them. Sarah McLachlan: She hasn't had that long of career yet. I do like all of her music including "Surfacing". Dead Can Dance: I like all of their music. Loreena McKennitt: I really enjoy all of her music. Jimi Hendrix, Cream and Traffic: Very short-lived, but potent and influential to this day. Question #2 - This is a hard one. I'm going to cop out on this one a little by naming an artist that fits the spirit of the question. That is Bob Dylan. I love his brilliant lyrics and the high caliber of musicians he employs on his recordings. However, to this day, I still have a hard time with his voice. I also find his songwriting to be simplistic. Sometimes that works really well and other times it doesn't. Overall, I still love much of what he has done. Question #3 - The Beatles - The difference between where The Beatles were with Please Please Me to where they had progressed with Sgt. Pepper's was truly amazing. They accomplished this in a five year span while they were still only in their 20s. They were very fortunate to have the guidance and encouragement of George Martin. He recognized and respected their abilities. He allowed them to explore their boundless creativity. Bill M. - -----Original Message----- From: owner-ecto@smoe.org [mailto:owner-ecto@smoe.org] On Behalf Of karen hester Sent: Saturday, September 13, 2003 6:27 PM To: ecto@smoe.org Subject: Questions (there are no wrong answers) Kia Ora Here are some questions I'm not sure of my own answers to. What artist do you think has put out the longest run of consistently great albums? What's your favourite example of an album with great songs, but the recorded versions are terrible? (due to whatever - instruments, players, production). Among the albums that you love, which are the two by one artist that are the most different from one another? Karen __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: 14 Sep 2003 11:59:22 -0700 From: "Michael Pearce" Subject: Lovecraft animation premieres next month I play Pickman in this, and Cyo wrote all the music. _______________________ FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE: September 11, 2003 Portland Oregon's Guerrilla Productions announces the scheduled premiere of their feature-length animated adventure "The Dream-Quest of Unknown Kadath", based on H. P. Lovecraft's 1926 fantasy novel. Lovecraftian filmmaker Edward Martin III ("The Call of Cthulhu", "The Testament of Tom Jacoby") brings this exotic and fantastic novel to life with the help of art from Jason B. Thompson's 1997-1999 comic book adaptation and music from San Francisco's Cyokha Grace and Land of the Blind. "The Dream-Quest of Unknown Kadath", one of only two novels written by Lovecraft, tells the story of Randolph Carter, an adventurer and a dreamer, who seeks out a marvelous Sunset City previously glimpsed only in dream. His journey takes him through outrageous adventures on earth, the moon, and the nameless Void. He parleys with such creatures as zoogs, ghouls, Shantaks, toad-things, night-gaunts, goat-men, deadly gods, and of course the most mysterious creatures of all -- cats. He is helped, betrayed, hurled into the depths, flown to great heights and finally reaches the great onyx castle of Kadath, where he intends to confront the gods of Earth to admit him to his Sunset City. But even in this ultimate citadel, the forces of darkness gather to confound him... "The Dream-Quest of Unknown Kadath" will premiere at the 2003 H. P. Lovecraft Film Festival in Portland, OR, the weekend of October 9 - 12, at the Hollywood Theater: 4122 NE Sandy Blvd., Portland, OR. Also scheduled for release soon will be a standalone soundtrack by Land of the Blind and a graphic novel by Jason Thompson/Mockman Press. For more information, contact Edward Martin III: (503) 521-9225 edward@petting-zoo.org Please download a official Press Kit in Adobe PDF format from http://www.petting-zoo.org/Dreamquest_Downloads.html The Official "The Dream-Quest of Unknown Kadath" website: http://www.petting-zoo.org/Movies_Dreamquest.html The 2003 H. P. Lovecraft Film Festival web site: http://www.hplfilmfestival.com/ The Land of the Blind website: http://www.landoftheblind.com/ Jason Thompson's Mockman Press website: http://www.sonic.net/~jason/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2003 20:08:42 +0100 From: "Adam K." Subject: no right answers...and a multitude of wrong ones. "What artist do you think has put out the longest run of consistently great albums?" I'm going to stick my arse out and say Bowie. I'm not a fan, but I have to say that from Hunky Dory (1971) to Scary Monsters (1980) he had a pretty unprecedented run of great, trend-setting albums, always slightly ahead of the curve. He was ahead of the curve with "Let's Dance" and "Tonight", too, but that curve was air-brushed 80's pop/plastic soul, so it's a moot point as to whether this was the sound of him crashing to earth or not. I think it is, but I can understand how these albums have their fans, as well. "Among the albums that you love, which are the two by one artist that are the most different from one another?" This one's tricky. I 'll play safe and put my vote in for Peter Hammill: Listen to the willfull scrappiness and immaturity of "Nadir's Big Chance" and compare it to the grace and maturity of "X My Heart", and that's quite a difference. Mind you, there is about 20 years difference between them, as well, but they're both great albums. adam k. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2003 12:53:22 -0700 From: "Jack Sutton" Subject: kathleen yearwood /ordeal For Kathleen Yearwood fans: New Release: Ordeal Andy Waltzer chimes in with one of the first reviews: Speaking of slow but with a potential for ugly violence, I experienced the Ordeal today. Fu*k. It's just amazing....does this sloppy din make sense in anyone's heads? It defies any concept of music; so sloppy and aggressive. Seriously, I ask this with all due respect, but are the other two possibly...retarded? It is the essence of chaos....it's incredible, everything just falls apart further and further. Some of it is actually quite beautiful but....a few times during the disc I just thought; more so then while listening to Deicide or whatever death metal, this is ugly music! And, you say it's a failure and yeah, but it is a glorious failure, like instead of falling out of a plane and going thump falling out of a plane and taking half the passengers, half the sky, whatever down with you. `I'm really glad you did it and sent it and that it's in the past for you. Ordeal, that's perfect. Andy Waltzer, USA http://www.angelfire.com/music/kathleenyearwood/index.html http://www.hrmusic.com/artists/kyart.html Jack Sutton www.hrmusic.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 09:27:47 +0930 From: jonathan soong Subject: Re: pixies reunion, my bloody valentine >This might be of interest to some people: My Bloody Valentine actually got >back together to do some studio work. >Between losing lots of great artists recently and chatter about reunions, it >seems like the past is as big as anything brand new going on in most musical >universes today. > ha maybe you're [we're] just getting old :) ------------------------------ Date: 15 Sep 2003 11:42:14 +1000 From: Andrew Fries Subject: Re: Questions (there are no wrong answers) On Sun, 2003-09-14 at 11:27, karen hester wrote: > What artist do you think has put out the longest run of consistently great > albums? All around - perhaps Pink Floyd, but in the Ecto universe, I'd vote for Cowboy Junkies. In the sense that as long as you get into Cowboy Junkies, I think you'd be pretty likely to enjoy all of their CDs about equally. > > What's your favourite example of an album with great songs, but the > recorded versions are terrible? (due to whatever - instruments, players, > production). Heather Nova - Siren, and the one that came after... Reason? Production. I can't help but feel that under all that gloss there are real songs waiting to get out. > > Among the albums that you love, which are the two by one artist that are > the most different from one another? Umm... I could maybe think of some examples of people involved in completely different-sounding projects, but as for two really different albums by the same artist... pass. These were pretty tough questions! - --------------------------------------------------------------------- "Grrr...Arrgh!" -- Mutant - -- 09:03:54 up 50 days, 22:15, 4 users, load average: 0.01, 0.01, 0.00-- ------------------------------ Date: 15 Sep 2003 11:52:47 +1000 From: Andrew Fries Subject: Re: Questions (there are no wrong answers) On Mon, 2003-09-15 at 11:42, Andrew Fries wrote: > On Sun, 2003-09-14 at 11:27, karen hester wrote: > > Among the albums that you love, which are the two by one artist that are > > the most different from one another? > Umm... I could maybe think of some examples of people involved in > completely different-sounding projects, but as for two really different > albums by the same artist... pass. ... come to think of it, the answer could well be supplied by the artist who is the subject of this very list: The Keep and MWABT sound pretty different! - --------------------------------------------------------------------- "Grrr...Arrgh!" -- Mutant - -- 11:49:11 up 51 days, 1:00, 4 users, load average: 0.11, 0.03, 0.01-- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2003 20:19:17 -0600 From: Neal Copperman Subject: Re: Questions (there are no wrong answers) Fun questions Karen! At 6:27 PM -0700 9/13/03, karen hester wrote: >What artist do you think has put out the longest run of consistently great >albums? In a timely, and not really ecto, nod, I'd point to Johnny Cash. I can't think of anyone else who put out notable recordings across such a wide timeframe. Cash' albums from the 50's are vital contributions to the roots of rock and roll and are just fantastic. In the last decade, he came back with renewed vitality, interpreting modern songs by widely disparate people in interesting ways. And his recent recordings are such powerful musings on mortality, as he recorded them knowing he was at death's door. That's close to 50 years. I'm sure there are weak albums in between, but that's a pretty amazing span. (Not precisely the question asked, but worthy of note.) I think Veda Hille has probably released the longest string of fantastic and challenging albums of anyone I listen to. >What's your favourite example of an album with great songs, but the >recorded versions are terrible? (due to whatever - instruments, players, >production). I suspect something will come to me here later. >Among the albums that you love, which are the two by one artist that are >the most different from one another? Michelle Shocked was great for twisting her styles and still coming up with great albums. Short Sharp Shocked, Captain Swing, Arkansas Traveler and Kind-Hearted Woman are a wildly diverse group, and generally top notch. And Jane Siberry! Speckless Sky, The Walking, Bound by the Beauty, When I Was a Boy and Maria go down a similarly wild trajectory. Like Michelle Shocked, they may not all be masterpieces (though I think there are more masterpieces here then on the other list), but they are wildly different and pretty remarcable. The Waterboys followed This Is The Sea with Fisherman's Blues, both of which could be regarded as masterful albums. While the mastery question is still out for me, Maria McKee's new album is almost unrecognizable to me. Guess that's a good start. neal now editing: ILGI at the Outpost ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2003 19:49:59 -0700 (PDT) From: alberto carrasco Subject: Re: Questions (there are no wrong answers) Lou Reed: "Rock 'n' Roll Animal" & "Metal Machine Music". Brian Eno: "Taking Tiger Mountain By Strategy" & "Discreet Music". - --- karen hester wrote: Among the albums that you love, which are the two by one artist that are the most different from one another? __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com ------------------------------ End of ecto-digest V9 #261 **************************