From: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org (ecto-digest) To: ecto-digest@smoe.org Subject: ecto-digest V9 #191 Reply-To: ecto@smoe.org Sender: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk ecto-digest Thursday, July 3 2003 Volume 09 : Number 191 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Today's your birthday, friend... [Mike Matthews ] Re:thanks for liz letter [cyo@landoftheblind.com] Chicken Liz? ["Mitchell A. Pravatiner" ] Re: Chicken Liz? [ToriCure@aol.com] Happy & Bon L. Show ["Mark Chapman" ] Re: Chicken Liz? [dmw ] Re: Chicken Liz? [Joseph Zitt ] Happy Rhodes, Bottom Line, 7/2 [Paul Blair ] Re: Chicken Liz? [Paul Blair ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2003 03:00:03 -0400 (EDT) From: Mike Matthews Subject: Today's your birthday, friend... i*i*i*i*i*i i*i*i*i*i*i *************** *****HAPPY********* **************BIRTHDAY********* *************************************************** *************************************************************************** *********************** BunkyTom (no Email address) *********************** *************************************************************************** -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- - -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- BunkyTom Tue July 02 1968 Cancer Anders Hallberg Tue July 03 1962 Cancer Kevin Harkins Thu July 05 1973 Cancer Laurel Krahn Mon July 05 1971 Cancer John J Henshon Mon July 05 1954 The Year Of The Horse / Ruled By The Moon Jim Gurley Mon July 06 1959 Cancer Lisa Rouchka Fri July 08 1960 Moonchild with Java Rising Courtney Dallas Fri July 09 1971 Catte Michael Peskura Sat July 09 1949 HallOfFamer Finney T. 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Kate Bush Wed July 30 1958 God Chuck Smith Wed July 30 1958 Reboot Yves Denneulin Fri July 30 1971 Lion-Heart Joel Kenyon Wed July 31 1963 Leo - -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Jul 2003 00:15:31 -0700 From: cyo@landoftheblind.com Subject: Re:thanks for liz letter thanks Meth, it was hilarious. What a great warped mind. What a bizarre answer to the review. Like you said, gotta love Liz for that. thanks,cyo ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2003 09:40:17 -0500 (CDT) From: "Mitchell A. Pravatiner" Subject: Chicken Liz? Did anyone notice that Liz Phair's parable to the editor in the _New York Times_ newer actually discusses the paper's review of her album, instead concentrating on this indirect swipe at the reviewer, portraying her as some kind of alarmist going off half cocked in the absence of all the facts? Makes you want to think :-). Mitch ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Jul 2003 12:07:15 -0400 From: ToriCure@aol.com Subject: Re: Chicken Liz? Ecto readers, At first read, I found Liz's response to the review to be clever. But bottom line, it's really a pissed off jab at the reviewer herself. I do hope Liz sells a lot of units because that's all she really seems to care about at this point. Her interest can't really be the music anymore. The most disappointing thing about this latest release is that it wreaks of sell out. Yes, putting myself in Liz's position I might opt for the fame track. The music industry is very marginal and everyone has to blend in and go with what sells. Liz's priorities changed with the birth of her son. She has more than one mouth to feed now, obviously. But for a woman who started out with such integrity and a unique musical fire in her belly, it's thoroughly discouraging. I could give two shits less about Jewel. But Liz really had a knack for writing insightful, powerful off kilter SONGS. She has so much admitted that she could never make another Guyville even if she tried. I'm not looking for another Guyville per se. I'm looking for that old Phair integrity. The Liz that sat down with her guitar and worked incessantly on creating cool abstract lyrics and quirky guitar riffs. But Liz caught on. Most Americans don't care about songs that have something meaningful to say. I hope she lands a big goldmine with this record. Maybe the next record will have some substance to it. But if this record sells well, I won't hold my breath. - -- mark ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Jul 2003 12:20:09 -0400 From: "Mark Chapman" Subject: Happy & Bon L. Show > Look forward to seeing Happy and Gong on Wednesday!! > ... My God, what a double feature!! Don't "look forward" too excitedly ... it's Bon Lozaga's Gongzilla, not Gong. ~Chaps ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2003 12:31:15 -0400 (EDT) From: dmw Subject: Re: Chicken Liz? On Wed, 2 Jul 2003 ToriCure@aol.com wrote: > But for a woman who started out with such integrity and a unique musical > fire in her belly, it's thoroughly discouraging. I could give two shits > less about Jewel. But Liz really had a knack for writing insightful, > powerful off kilter SONGS. She has so much admitted that she could > never make another Guyville even if she tried. I'm not looking for > another Guyville per se. I'm looking for that old Phair integrity. > The Liz that sat down with her guitar and worked incessantly on creating > cool abstract lyrics and quirky guitar riffs. But Liz caught on. Most > Americans don't care about songs that have something meaningful to say. > I hope she lands a big goldmine with this record. Maybe the next record > will have some substance to it. But if this record sells well, I won't > hold my breath. this attitude, which i've been hearing a lot of lately, baffles me. _exile in guyville_ is in my alltime rock top 5, easy. but i never thought she had any *integrity*; she sold her first record with an exposed nipple on the front cover. she wrote some fantastic lyrics, but she wrote some utter crap back then too ("flower," or the original "stratford-on-guy" with it's "this is your very last flight" part). and while she came up with some pretty neat parts, girlysound is full of quirky guitar riffs plundered wholesale from other artists. indie rock producer brad wood made an indie rock record from her material, and i do think there was genius in his decision not to force her to sing in tune or play in time. but even then, i never had a sense that phair was buying into any indie rock aesthetic. personally, i think the 'good' to 'crud' ratio is somewhat better on the new record (especially if you count the 5-song bonus ep you can download) than on _whitechocloatespace egg_ if not up to _whipsmart_, and nowhere near "exile." but if "exile" wasn't exactly a fluke, it was surely the result of picking the best songs written over a period of several years. i think the fourth song (i think) on the new record is one of the best songs i've heard this year. but you know. chacun a son gout. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Jul 2003 10:27:15 -0700 From: Joseph Zitt Subject: Re: Chicken Liz? Mitchell A. Pravatiner wrote: > Did anyone notice that Liz Phair's parable to the editor in the _New > York Times_ newer actually discusses the paper's review of her album, > instead concentrating on this indirect swipe at the reviewer, portraying > her as some kind of alarmist going off half cocked in the absence of all > the facts? Makes you want to think :-). Yeah... after reading it several times, I have no idea what, if anything, she wanted to express, other than vague sarcastic grumpiness. Her lyrics are clearer, but letters to the editor may not be her best genre. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2003 00:50:52 -0400 From: Paul Blair Subject: Happy Rhodes, Bottom Line, 7/2 The stage: Bestrewn with percussion instruments -- 2 or 3 drum sets (one Bob Mueller's, at least one for Gongzilla; their other percussion player was out of my line of sight), vibes (huge) and a marimba (huger). The last two were for Benoit Moerlen of Gongzilla; I was hoping we'd hear the marimba on "Ra Is a Busy God" but no such luck. The lineup: HR vocals & acoustic guitar, Bob Mueller percussion, Bon Lozaga electric guitar, Hansford Rowe bass. The set list (the same for both sets): 1. ? (new song) 2. Look for the Child 3. If Wishes Were Horses - - Movie Quote Quiz - Meredith didn't get one Happy thought was easy: "I'm sorry; I thought you were a nerd. No, that's me." 4. Collective Heart 5. Ra Is a Busy God 6. Can't Let Go ("from my upcoming CD, called 'When the Hell is It Going to Come Out Already?'") 7. The First to Cry ("and then I got older and wrote about robots") 8. Just Like Tivoli 9. When the Rain Came Down This song started with Bob over next to Happy drumming both on the doumbek and on Happy's guitar while she held down chords. Too cool. "My new CD will be out in November, unless I decide December, in which case January." Ectophiles I knew (or know now) in attendance: Meth, Woj, Chris Montville, John Henshon, Suzanne de Cory, Robert Bristow-Johnson... I'm sure I forgot somebody. Attendance was fairly light. Gongzilla was very well done fusion music, all instrumental. Benoit Moerlen was amazing on the marimba and vibes. (Bon on guitar, Hansford Rowe bass, and two other percussionists.) Hansford Rowe said that the last time the group played together at the Bottom Line was in 1980, at the invitation of Alan Pepper, and the place was full. "What happened to fusion music?" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2003 00:56:26 -0400 From: Paul Blair Subject: Re: Chicken Liz? Mitchell A. Pravatiner wrote: >Did anyone notice that Liz Phair's parable to the editor in the _New >York Times_ newer actually discusses the paper's review of her album, >instead concentrating on this indirect swipe at the reviewer, portraying >her as some kind of alarmist going off half cocked in the absence of all >the facts? Makes you want to think :-). I can't think of a discussion on ecto where I've agreed with a greater proportion of the opinions expressed. ------------------------------ End of ecto-digest V9 #191 **************************