From: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org (ecto-digest) To: ecto-digest@smoe.org Subject: ecto-digest V9 #181 Reply-To: ecto@smoe.org Sender: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk ecto-digest Tuesday, June 24 2003 Volume 09 : Number 181 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: sad songs, wild world and a thank you [Joseph Zitt ] It's the money boys, and some strong indie voices ["Mitchell A. Pravatine] flames [breinheimer@webtv.net] Re: More Sad songs..... ["jessica weiser" ] wild world and a thank you [Birdie ] Re: cd collecting [Leon van Stuivenberg ] Re: Seeking: the Saddest Songs on Earth. [ToriCure@aol.com] Re: Seeking: the Saddest Songs on Earth. [AzeemAK@aol.com] Re: Any interest in bringing Happy to Boston? [robert bristow-johnson ] Fwd: Susan McKeown at Fez [meredith ] Notes from L.A.: New Artists to Watch ["G. Perez" Subject: Re: sad songs, wild world and a thank you breinheimer@webtv.net wrote: > For the person who wrote in about the female cover of Wild World I went > to the allmusic site and searched for songs with that title. Of course I > can't really be sure but the only thing that looked promising (imo) was > a cover by a group called Baptism on "Cat People- a Tribute to Cat > Stevens". It also features Kitty Litter covering Miles from Nowhere. According to beth-lehem.com, Beth Orton has covered "Wild World" for the soundtrack to a movie "How to Deal". The CD is due on July 8th. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 03:00:02 -0400 (EDT) From: Mike Matthews Subject: Today's your birthday, friend... i*i*i*i*i*i i*i*i*i*i*i *************** *****HAPPY********* **************BIRTHDAY********* *************************************************** *************************************************************************** ******************** Teresa VanDyne (no Email address) ******************** *************************************************************************** -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- - -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Teresa VanDyne Thu June 23 1960 Cancer Dave Torok Mon June 24 1968 Cancer Ethan Straffin Thu June 24 1971 Cancer Kevin Dekan Mon June 27 1960 Cancer Samantha Tanner Tue June 30 1970 Wild Goose BunkyTom Tue July 02 1968 Cancer Anders Hallberg Tue July 03 1962 Cancer Kevin Harkins Thu July 05 1973 Cancer Laurel Krahn Mon July 05 1971 Cancer John J Henshon Mon July 05 1954 The Year Of The Horse / Ruled By The Moon Jim Gurley Mon July 06 1959 Cancer Lisa Rouchka Fri July 08 1960 Moonchild with Java Rising Courtney Dallas Fri July 09 1971 Catte Michael Peskura Sat July 09 1949 HallOfFamer Finney T. Tsai Sat July 09 1966 Cancer Larry Greenfield Tue July 11 1950 Virgo Rising; Gemini Moon Marion Kippers Tue July 13 1965 Kreeft Ellen Rawson Thu July 13 1961 Double Cancer Mitch Pravatiner Mon July 14 1952 Cancer R. Rapp Wed July 14 1954 On a Gray Eye Sojourn John Zimmer Sun July 16 1961 Cancer Dan Stark Sun July 16 1961 Cancer Cathy Guetzlaff Mon July 18 1955 Cancer Vlad Sat July 18 1970 Warning: severe tire damage Jani Pinola Thu July 20 1972 Jonquil - -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 05:07:37 -0500 (CDT) From: "Mitchell A. Pravatiner" Subject: It's the money boys, and some strong indie voices The June 20 _Wall Street Journnal_ ran an article on new summer releases, which confirmed my suspicion that the recent delve of at least two prominent indie artists--Jewel and Liz Phair--into the commercial Cuisinart was ultimately driven by the industry. The story said about Jewel's makeover, "Audiences want to see stars 'working hard for their supper, and they want to be titillated,' says Atlantic Records co-president Ron Shapiro. 'She was. willing to do it."" Phair, it went on, "says in an interview she's just trying to stay ahead at a time when record labels have little patience for noncommercial acts. A couple of years ago, she says, 'I wasn't getting calls back from people.... I was over.' Now, she's working closely with department heads at Capitol Records to make sure she stays afloat." Ironically, moments after I posted my last post to this list, dealing in part with Jewel's makeover, she appeared on Carson Daly's program on NBC. The new stykle and substance of her performance were actually pretty good of their kind; a separate issue from whether their kind is any good :-). Meanwhile, last Saturday in Chicago, a show sponsored by the local independent Sweet Pickle label showcased three strong independent voices--one established, two emergent--unwilling to let their art be cuisened :-). Antje, who also runs the label, and Urban Twang are rockers. So, for the most part, is Kerri Grant, though she also performed numbers on acoustic guitar, and electric piano (inclding a Tori Amos cover that someone in the audience said was actually better than Tori's version). All deliverfed superb performances. As I write this, _Morning Edition_ on NPR just ran a story on record retailing, which quoted a Phildelphia record store owner to the effect that e-commerce and file sharing have reduced sales of "hit-driven" titles but not so much the indie product. He said that people will offer to burn copies of new artists for friends, but the friends often decline, saying they want the "real thing." Mitch ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2003 22:57:06 -0400 (EDT) From: breinheimer@webtv.net Subject: flames ok so I seem to be trying to catch up from all my time spent lurking. Vickieann wrote that a flame that could drive somebody away from ecto deserves to be posted. Perhaps flames that are that incendiary should not be sent at all. Even subjects that stir our passions should be able to be discussed reasonably. If you disagree that strongly with someone do you really think that your anger will change their mind? In all likelihood you will only make the other person defensive and they will become resistive to your view where reason might persuade an open minded individual. And while I feel that this is an over simplification I do believe that something can be learned from Yeats' admonition that "the worst are filled with a passionate intensity while the best lack all conviction". I apologize for my loquaciousness tonight and thank all members for providing such an intelligent and interesting forum. It's something that not all of us encounter in our day to day lives. -Bill np: Peel Slowly and See (Velvet Underground) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 00:03:10 -0500 From: "jessica weiser" Subject: Re: More Sad songs..... A few more I thought of: Tara MacLean "Silence", Sarah McLachlan's "Full of Grace," "The Path of Thorns", Kyler England's "If the world would just end," "Lump," "Why", Evanescence "Tourniquet" and "My Immortal", Michelle Branch "Till I get over you" and ya know what, I'm going to include my songs "October" and "After the Rain", because I think they're pretty damn sad (but hopeful)! :) jessica - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- jessica weiser :: singer/songwriter www.jessicaweiser.com / www.cdbaby.com/weiser2 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 07:31:44 -0700 From: Birdie Subject: wild world and a thank you That's it! It is Beth Orton - what an AMAZING version! I knew the voice but couldn't place it....not with how the song is done. It was on KCRW, and, I had to get out of the car before they announced the artist. Look forward to it! Birdie "According to beth-lehem.com, Beth Orton has covered "Wild World" for the soundtrack to a movie "How to Deal". The CD is due on July 8th." ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 17:28:47 +0200 From: Leon van Stuivenberg Subject: Re: cd collecting > And as to the issue of why ecto is set up for replies to go back to the > poster and not the list: that's the way mailing lists are supposed to be That's an interesting generalizing statement.. > set up, to prevent responses that are meant to be private from > accidentally going to the entire list. It actually doesn't prevent that but makes it less likely, at the cost of convenience for posters who would like to contribute to the public discussion. Perhaps even some messages were accidentally sent privately instead of publicly in the recent flaming.. > ended up getting changed to replies going to the list because the people > on the list were unable to understand this, and almost immediately they > started to figure out why it's better to have it set up this way. If the behaviour is changed during the lifetime of the list I can see that would confuse some people. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 13:50:46 -0400 From: ToriCure@aol.com Subject: Re: Seeking: the Saddest Songs on Earth. I think the saddest song by Kate Bush is off of the Red Shoes. "Moments of Pleasure" So good... so sad. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 17:15:45 EDT From: AzeemAK@aol.com Subject: Re: Seeking: the Saddest Songs on Earth. In a message dated 23/06/2003 18:51:55 GMT Daylight Time, ToriCure@aol.com writes: > I think the saddest song by Kate Bush is off of the Red Shoes. "Moments of > Pleasure" So good... so sad. > My vote from The Red Shoes would be for "You're The One" - that's a real gut-wrencher. Azeem in London ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 19:43:06 -0400 From: robert bristow-johnson Subject: Re: Any interest in bringing Happy to Boston? In article fa.ekfrerg.9j8ph0@ifi.uio.no, Jeff Wasilko at jeffw@smoe.org wrote on 06/23/2003 00:32: > I'm trying to put together a fall house concert series, and I'd > like to include Happy in the schedule. Would there be interest > from the Boston ectophiles in seeing Happy on August 9 or 10? i'd drive down from Burlington. i'm gonna try to make it down to NYC for the July 2 gig at the Bottom Line. r b-j ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 20:10:49 -0400 From: meredith Subject: falcon ridge? Hi, Just checking in to see if any ectophiles are planning on attending the Falcon Ridge Folk Festival next month? This year's lineup isn't as exciting as years past, IMHO (Erin McKeown and Susan Werner are most conspicuous in their absence), but it's still got some great stuff in store: the sisters Nields, the Kennedys, Tracy Grammer, Dar Williams, Richard Shindell, Rachael Davis, etc. ... not to mention Arlo Guthrie and Richard Thompson (I'm particularly looking forward to seeing Thompson live for the first time). Hopefully by the end of July the Northeast will have broken out of this perpetual pattern of utterly crappy, cold, rainy weather each and every weekend. :P Every year I harbor illusions of setting up Camp Ecto, but then every year it just ends up being me and woj and the Montvilles again -- which is big huge gobs of fun, don't get me wrong, but it'd be nice to have something to rival Dar-Camp, Fru-Camp, the Nields Nook's George Fox Pavilion, etc. one of these years. :) So if you're going, let me know! Hope to see some more ectophiles there this year ... =============================================== Meredith Tarr New Haven, CT USA mailto:meth@smoe.org http://www.smoe.org/meth =============================================== Live At The House O'Muzak House Concert Series http://muzak.smoe.org =============================================== ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 22:40:57 -0400 From: meredith Subject: Fwd: Susan McKeown at Fez A reminder -- hope to see lots of you at Fez tomorrow night! This is definitely going to be one of the best nights of live music this year. >Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 22:07:45 -0400 >Subject: Susan McKeown at Fez >From: Brendan Jamieson > >Hello. > >Susan McKeown will be performing tomorrow night Tuesday 24 June at Fez >under Time Cafi. >This is a special performance with Dorothy Scott and Sloan Wainwright so >expect sets from everyone and a few collaborations. Susan will be >accompanied by Jon Spurney. > >Fex under Time Cafi >380 Lafayette at Great Jones >Showtime: 8:00PM >(Doors open at 7:00PM) >See www.feznyc.com for further information > >Also, this Friday, Susan's friend and collaborator Johnny Cunningham will >be giving a solo performance (at which Susan will make a guest appearance) >at the following Irish music venue: >The Blarney Star >43 Murray Street >Showtime: 9:00PM >See www.blarneystar.com for further information =============================================== Meredith Tarr New Haven, CT USA mailto:meth@smoe.org http://www.smoe.org/meth =============================================== Live At The House O'Muzak House Concert Series http://muzak.smoe.org =============================================== ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 20:42:52 -0700 From: "G. Perez" Subject: Notes from L.A.: New Artists to Watch Hey, everyone. It's been a few years since I last came onto the smoe servers. I didn't post very much but when I did it was sometimes about something good (Susan James, Dido...). In any case, I've returned to mention some new artists that were signed within the last year or so, many of them probably already mentioned in the past. I've had a chance to hear their demos, see showcases, and evaluate... Carla Werner (L.A. via NZ) - I want to get her out of the way first because, quite frankly, she's the best new artist I've heard since The White Stripes five years ago. Her new album, Departure (due July 29th on Columbia), is an outstanding debut, which will have you recalling traces of Jeff Buckley, Heather Nova, and perhaps Kate Bush. And although she's a New Zealander, her output is essentially Brit-rock. The strongest songs on the album are "Heaven Is A Word," "Wanderlust," and "Make It Up" each produced by Ken Nelson of Coldplay fame. Prog trance enthusiasts might also recognize her name from Paul Oakenfold's album Bunkka where she provided vocals on the best track on the album, "Southern Sun." Beginning tonight, she's on tour with The Jayhawks and The Thorns. Go see her. And, if you're interested in obtaining an EP she made a few years ago, I can point you in the right direction to purchase one (I believe they're in limited quantity these days). Bonnie McKee (Seattle, WA) - WBR is proclaiming her as the next Jewel and as one that remembers Jewel from the Innerchange days, I tend to agree. Pretty voice that can soar into a range way beyond her 19 years. KCRW played her demos for about a year and a deal with WB followed. It's generally Top 40 material but good Top 40 material. I believe mastering was recently completed and now it's up to the label for a release. Missy Higgins (Sydney, Australia) - While I'm talking about the WB, I should mention Higgins because they both were signed around the same time. Hadn't heard much about her until about a year ago when she got on every A&R tipsheet, most notably Chris Douridas who championed her on his radio show New Ground. Eventually signed with WB. Really, really strong stuff, especially her ballads, which should separate her talent from the lot of young piano playing divas signed since Alicia Keys broke the new wave. [I should also add that the WB signed a young group of talented kids called Eisley (formerly Mosseisley) just off tour with Coldplay. They also played Coachella, which is a huge accomplishment for an unproven band although their management might have had something to do with that... (cough) Nettwerk.] Jessy Moss (L.A. via Australia) - Tracking her for awhile since hearing her on a Cypress Hill album a few years ago. Dreamworks snatched her up and her debut "Street Knuckles" (produced by Butch Vig) arrives July 29th. She's got a dirty funk/hip-hop style added with pop elements in the vein of Nelly Furtado, Macy Gray, and Nikka Costa. However, in true modern-day genre mixmashing, she likes to rock as well. "Telling You Now" is the obvious crossover single but her best work is on "The Baddest," which features some of the tightest rapping on the entire album. eastmountainsouth (Virginia/L.A.) - I realize many Patty Griffin, Tracy Chapman, and Lucinda Williams fans already might be excited for this band's new album, which came out last week on Dreamworks. After so many years in the folk circuit in various parts of the country, lead singer Kat Maslich might actually find some success with this release. It's not an outstanding album but Mitchell Froom's handywork definitely helps and "So Are You To Me," "All the Stars," and "On Your Way" are beautifully written. Their shows are the place to really experience their music. They do covers of everyone from Patty Griffin to Steven Stills to Eminem (seriously). Currently on tour with Tracy Chapman whose touring keyboardist, Phil Parlapiano (Brothers Figaro), also plays in a band called Dead Rock West, led by Frank Drennen (Loam, Hatchet Bros.) and Cindy Wasserman. Wasserman, herself, will be showing up on new recordings by Ricki Lee Jones, Gregory Page, and Tom Brosseau as well as continuing her sessions with Grant Lee Phillips (roaming troubadour on "Gilmore Girls"). And, just to complete the connection in less than six degres, Dead Rock West are good pals with eastmountainsouth. Alexi Murdoch (L.A. via Scotland) - Probably one of the bigger names coming up from L.A. singer-songwriter scene and no stranger to anyone who listens to XPN, KCRW or any other AAA radio station in the country. Nick Drake, Tindersticks, and Beck comparisons are clear. Pretty much the whole town loves the guy as witnessed from attending show after show with his seemingly endless entourage of onstage guests (Damien Rice, eastmountainsouth, Carla Werner, Garrison Starr, Renee Stahl, etc.). Four song EP is the only thing he's released. Full-length supposedly out later this year. Patrick Park (L.A. via Morrison, CO) - One of my favorites since I saw one of his first shows in town opening for some friends (Rilo Kiley and Irving). Although club noise pretty much drowned his entire set, his voice and demeanor interested me enough to snag several copies of his demo tape. That demo tape, known affectionately as The Basement Tapes, went on to get him his deal with Hollywood Records and most importantly the love of every shirt-over-shirt wearing indie kid in Los Angeles. Damien Jurado, Pete Yorn, and Elliott Smith are comparison marks but this guy could and should be bigger than them all. Handpicked by Liz Phair and Grandaddy for their respective upcoming tours. New album, Loneliness Knows My Name, out July 15. Anyway, a bunch more artists I should mention, but you get the picture. g ------------------------------ End of ecto-digest V9 #181 **************************