From: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org (ecto-digest) To: ecto-digest@smoe.org Subject: ecto-digest V9 #179 Reply-To: ecto@smoe.org Sender: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk ecto-digest Sunday, June 22 2003 Volume 09 : Number 179 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Seeking: the Saddest Songs on Earth. [Joseph Zitt ] Re: Seeking: the Saddest Songs on Earth ["jessica weiser" ] Re: Seeking: the Saddest Songs on Earth. [robert bristow-johnson ] Re: Seeking: the Saddest Songs on Earth. [Leon van Stuivenberg ] Re: Seeking: the Saddest Songs on Earth. [meredith ] Re: Seeking: the Saddest Songs on Earth. ["Paul Jensen" ] RE: cd collecting ["Xenu's Sister" ] RE: Seeking: the Saddest Songs on Earth. [Jason Gordon ] etiquette (was RE: cd collecting) [Neal Copperman ] Re: Seeking: the Saddest Songs on Earth. [ToriCure@aol.com] RE: cd collecting [Andrew Fries ] Re: etiquette (was RE: cd collecting) [Birdie ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 00:38:42 -0700 From: Joseph Zitt Subject: Re: Seeking: the Saddest Songs on Earth. There are at least two beautifully sad songs on the new Annie Lennox album: the closing song, "Oh God", and the aptly titled "The Saddest Song I've Got". ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 18:10:08 +1000 From: Sherlyn Koo Subject: Re: Seeking: the Saddest Songs on Earth. Hey folks, Joseph Zitt said: > There are at least two beautifully sad songs on the new Annie Lennox I have to chime in on this thread - my current vote for saddest song ever is "The Day You Went Away" by Australian singer Wendy Matthews. This song is, oh, about 10 years old or so, and is apparently a remake of a dance track. Wendy's version is pretty much just voice and piano and is incredibly lonely and heartbreaking. Cheers, sherlyn - -- Sherlyn Koo - sherlyn@pixelopolis.com - Sydney, Australia ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 09:21:50 -0400 From: Mike Connell Subject: Re: Seeking: the Saddest Songs on Earth. My vote for the saddest song I have ever heard is hands down that "The Christmas Shoes" song that has been getting a ton of airplay the last two (or more) holiday seasons. I've heard a few versions but there seems to be a "most popular" version getting the airplay during the season, however I cannot recall who the singer (male) is. I just can't imagine a sadder subject than a child wanting to buy some special shoes for his mother for Christmas on Christmas eve, because "Could you hurry, sir, Daddy says there's not much time You see she's been sick for quite a while And I know these shoes would make her smile And I want her to look beautiful if Mama meets Jesus tonight" That part alone just totally breaks my heart. Mike N.P. Jethro Tull - To Old To Rock And Roll, Too Young To Die ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 09:15:54 -0400 From: Runly Subject: saddest songs Nick Cave's B-side "Cassiel's Song" always does it for me. sharon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 01:14:33 -0500 From: "jessica weiser" Subject: Re: Seeking: the Saddest Songs on Earth I've always thought Billie Holiday "Gloomy Sunday" was extremely sad.... also Janis Ian "At Seventeen", "I will remember you" by Sarah McLachlan, The Beatles "Yesterday" and "Hanging by a Thread" by Jann Arden. jessica - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- jessica weiser :: singer/songwriter www.jessicaweiser.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 10:49:16 -0400 From: hooligan Subject: The Saddest Song of All-Time Alone Again (Naturally) - Gilbert O'Sullivan ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 11:40:03 -0400 From: robert bristow-johnson Subject: Re: Seeking: the Saddest Songs on Earth. alberto carrasco wrote in message news:... > We look before and after, > And pine for what is not: > Our sincerest laughter > With some pain is fraught; > Our sweetest songs are those > That tell of saddest thought. > > Percy Bysshe Shelley, 1792-1822 > from "To a Skylark" > > > I don t recall seeing this topic here before so I > thought I d throw it out. I ve been having an > interesting on-going discussion with a friend about > how much we love sad, heartbreaking songs songs that > always make you cry. It s such a personal, individual > thing. I ve asked a number of friends lately and > gotten odd responses (to me, anyway) like "everything > by the Velvet Underground" a group I love but that > never evoked that response from me. And people have > mentioned Nick Cave's work and while it can be > depressing stuff and I like it, for whatever reason, > he doesn't quite get to me that way. > > ---------- > > But there are musicians like Happy Rhodes, Robert > Smith, Lyle Lovett, and Bruce Springsteen who have so > many songs that tear me up. in a slghtly different genre (20th century classical) is the "Adagio for Strings" by Samuel Barber. another wonderful 20th century choral song is "Funeral Ikos" by John Tavener sung by the Tallis Scholars. r b-j ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 18:02:28 +0200 (CEST) From: Yngve Hauge Subject: Re: Seeking: the Saddest Songs on Earth. On Sat, 21 Jun 2003, robert bristow-johnson wrote: > in a slghtly different genre (20th century classical) is the "Adagio for > Strings" by Samuel Barber. When we are in that genre - Prokofiev - Violine concerto No.2 - 2.movement Recommend the recording by Viktoria Mullova Dvorak - American quartet - 2nd Movement The Hagen quartet has recorded my favorite recording of this quartet Listening to the few recordings Ginette Neveu made always bring up the images of her when the plane she was in went down somewhere in the Atlantics in '49 clutching her violine with her brother sitting next to her. That was probably by far the biggest loss the musical world did experience in the last century. - -- Yngve ****************************************** * E-mail: onealien@mo.himolde.no ********* * Cell: +47 41330571 ********************* ***** Blessed be!!! ********************** ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 09:13:26 -0700 From: "John Zimmer" Subject: Re: Tori, then and now Steve wrote: > I also ended up helping a couple of Portland-area Ectophiles get > tickets to the Eugene show so they could complete a hat-trick of > seeing her in Seattle, Portland, and Eugene. Her show here at the > WOW Hall was definitely one of the best shows I've ever seen. WOW indeed. If memory serves, I was one of those Portlanders (along with Michael Bowman). All three of those shows were wonderful, and the ToriHugs (tm) afterward weren't too bad either. ;) Thanks for the trip down memory lane, Steve. > As it turns out Tori is on tour and will stop in Eugene again this > summer. Even better, as far as I'm concerned, is that Ben Folds > will be her opening act, so I'm really looking forward to it. Unfortunately, a late Sunday night drive back from Eugene just doesn't have the appeal it might once have had. She was nice enough to come through town in December, so I can't complain too much I guess. John ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 18:45:30 +0200 From: Leon van Stuivenberg Subject: Re: Seeking: the Saddest Songs on Earth. Yngve Hauge wrote: > Listening to the few recordings Ginette Neveu made always bring up the > images of her when the plane she was in went down somewhere in In similar vein i'd like to mention "Ron's Piece" from rendezvouz/ jean michel jarre. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 09:47:39 -0700 From: Birdie Subject: Re: Seeking: the Saddest Songs on Earth. I heard this amazing brazilian bossa nova ambient dance remix version of "One is the loneliest Number" by The Tao of Groove vocals by Leslie King (sounds like Dusty Springfield meets karen Carpenter doing cutting edge brazilian remixed dance) On the Brazil Remixed compilation. Because of the bossa nova ambient beat under it, it elevates it, but the lyrics are, well, look at the title. Also heard and can't find who did it - but I know the voice..... New female version of Cat Steven's "Wild World". Someone on this list knows who this is - Do Tell!!!! Amazing!!! Birdie ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 12:38:38 -0400 From: meredith Subject: Re: Seeking: the Saddest Songs on Earth. Hi, By far, the saddest song ever (I can't even listen to it) is Iris DeMent's "Ain't Got No Time To Cry". 10,000 Maniacs' "Dust Bowl Days" and Tori's "Baker Baker" aren't too far behind, but at least I can listen to them. =============================================== Meredith Tarr New Haven, CT USA mailto:meth@smoe.org http://www.smoe.org/meth =============================================== Live At The House O'Muzak House Concert Series http://muzak.smoe.org =============================================== ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 17:20:27 +0000 From: "Paul Jensen" Subject: Re: Seeking: the Saddest Songs on Earth. It's mostly Natalie Merchant and Tori Amos that make me cry.. Natalie: "River", "Gold Rush Brides", "I'm Not The Man", "Beloved Wife" Tori: "Hey Jupiter", "Mother", "Spark" Paul ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "My needy lungs heaved For a sinking we could share." Annika Bentley ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 13:24:13 -0400 From: meredith Subject: RE: cd collecting Hi, I've been rendered pretty much speechless by this, so forgive my lack of eloquence. This is for those of you (you know who you are -- I don't, nor do I want to) who participated in poisoning Dave Williamson's in-box with flames, thus causing him to leave ecto with the bitterest possible taste in his mouth: I hope you're proud of yourselves. As the years go on, I'm finding more and more that the perception most ectophiles have of themselves as a good group of people who tolerate divergent opinions and strive to maintain a flame-free environment is just a myth. Occasionally I forget this and actually take time out of my day to stand up to defend this perception, but then I find out it was just a waste of time. It's fine to disagree with someone (I didn't agree with Dave's position, myself). But if you don't have the balls to say what you have to say in the open forum, then don't say it at all. (And in case anyone out there is wondering why the hell I feel I have the right to make this statement: woj is the listowner, and woj and I are a package deal. I have the list password, so technically I own the list too.) =============================================== Meredith Tarr New Haven, CT USA mailto:meth@smoe.org http://www.smoe.org/meth =============================================== Live At The House O'Muzak House Concert Series http://muzak.smoe.org =============================================== ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 13:14:36 -0500 From: "Xenu's Sister" Subject: RE: cd collecting At 01:24 PM 6/21/2003 -0400, meth wrote: >Hi, > >I've been rendered pretty much speechless by this, so forgive my lack of >eloquence. > >This is for those of you (you know who you are -- I don't, nor do I want to) I want to know. I very badly want to know. Dave is a looooong-time member of Ecto and though we disagree, he shouldn't feel like he has to leave because of flames! While some things should be kept off-list sometimes, a flame that would drive a person away deserves to be posted, so we can all see who sent it. I wish Dave had posted before he left, so we could have shamed the sender of the flames (whether or not he gave us their names). >who participated in poisoning Dave Williamson's in-box with flames, thus >causing him to leave ecto with the bitterest possible taste in his mouth: >I hope you're proud of yourselves. For shame. >As the years go on, I'm finding more and more that the perception most >ectophiles have of themselves as a good group of people who tolerate >divergent opinions and strive to maintain a flame-free environment is just >a myth. Occasionally I forget this and actually take time out of my day >to stand up to defend this perception, but then I find out it was just a >waste of time. Now now, I've been accused (by myself) of throwing the baby out with the bathwater wrt Ecto myself. I have to slap myself sometimes to not do that. Don't you do that too. Happy needs us. (Other artists do too, but you know, when it comes down to it, no matter how wonderful they are and how much I might like them, when it comes down to it, I don't really, truly CARE from the bottom of my heart about any other artists but Happy. SHE needs us most, we were started for her. That we're helping other artists is a delightful sidebar). There are going to be bad apples who bring down lists (I've gone through bad apple phases myself), but we've been extremely lucky in that Ecto has thrived over the last 12 years, blah blah blah, you know all this. Don't let the dickhead(s) who drove Dave away make you forget it, please. Vickie ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 18:24:50 -0400 From: Jason Gordon Subject: RE: Seeking: the Saddest Songs on Earth. Beth Neilsen Chapman - Sand and Water - I cant even listen to it anymore - -Jason ------------------------------ Date: 21 Jun 2003 16:52:33 -0700 From: "Michael Pearce" Subject: Re: The saddest songs on Earth I have mentioned Jon Mark before, and his album "Songs for a Friend" certainly qualifies. The only thing that saves it from being an unlistenable downer is the incredible beauty of his music and lyrics. "Old People's Homes" would make me call my mother after hearing it; "Signal Hill" laments the death by development of a beautiful Southern California neighborhood by overdevelopment; "Some Day I'll Build A Boat" laments being trapped in a corporate hell under an oppressive boss, to a lilting steel-drum beat. The rest of the album is equally great. I've already converted the vinyl to MP3; if there were a place I could put it where people could download it I would. You cannot buy it anywhere at any price except when it turns up used on Amazon or Ebay. Michael ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 17:50:25 -0600 From: Neal Copperman Subject: etiquette (was RE: cd collecting) At 1:24 PM -0400 6/21/03, meredith wrote: Maybe this could be added to the welcome message. Perhaps it should read something like: Welcome to Ecto, the fuzzy blue mailing list. The list is focused on the works of musician Happy Rhodes, but is also interested in the work of female musicians in general. Topics can range the musical spectrum, with tangents into movies, Buffy, and politics and ethics. Ecto has been known for it's warm and welcoming environment, which isn't always possible to maintain, but it's a goal that the list strives for. It's fine to disagree with someone. But if you don't have the balls to say what you have to say in the open forum, then don't say it at all. Hmmmm, maybe the tone of that last bit just doesn't fit the message that's trying to be conveyed.... >(And in case anyone out there is wondering why the hell I feel I >have the right to make this statement: woj is the listowner, and woj >and I are a package deal. I have the list password, so technically >I own the list too.) From my perspective, you have the right to make these statements because you are a part of the ecto community. I'm not convinced that access to the software or hardware that enables the list makes your opinion more or less valid. Just an observation, neal np: Press Eject and Give Me The Tape - Bauhaus (live) obEcto: In a nice connection to those historical times, I just finished dumping the rest of the 1991 Happy Gift Project to my computer to edit for CD. I'd be happy to offer it up when I'm done, though it would be even nicer if I could offer the full thing. With Vickie in the throws of moving, anyone else want to send me a copy of the 1991 Happy Gift Project I tape? ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 21:49:39 -0400 From: ToriCure@aol.com Subject: Re: Seeking: the Saddest Songs on Earth. One of the saddest songs that has brought me to tears is Sinead O Connor's "Three babies." Her music was already starting to completely soften up with the release of this song on her second album, but the level of emotion (not to mention the subject matter) is extremely touching. ------------------------------ Date: 22 Jun 2003 13:20:52 +1000 From: Andrew Fries Subject: RE: cd collecting On Sun, 2003-06-22 at 03:24, meredith wrote: > This is for those of you (you know who you are -- I don't, nor do I want > to) who participated in poisoning Dave Williamson's in-box with flames, > thus causing him to leave ecto with the bitterest possible taste in his > mouth: I hope you're proud of yourselves. Ah, this is unfortunate. I don't know what the story is, and all I have to go on is meredith's message - did she have private conversation with Dave, or are messages arriving out of sequence? Anyway, I wish instead of leaving the list, Dave would post these flames and names of their authors, so we could shame them properly. It is up to him, naturally. But we cannot do anything about it unless we know the names now can we? - --------------------------------------------------------------------- "Grrr...Arrgh!" -- Mutant - -- 08:04:49 up 7 days, 20:17, 2 users, load average: 0.08, 0.02, 0.01-- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 20:48:17 -0700 From: Birdie Subject: Re: etiquette (was RE: cd collecting) Fuzzy Blue Balls might fix it, Neal. ------------------------------ End of ecto-digest V9 #179 **************************