From: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org (ecto-digest) To: ecto-digest@smoe.org Subject: ecto-digest V9 #171 Reply-To: ecto@smoe.org Sender: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk ecto-digest Wednesday, June 18 2003 Volume 09 : Number 171 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Cyoakha & The Blind & Alison Bailey [Alan ] Today's your birthday, friends... [Mike Matthews ] Walk Down Memory Lane [Chip Lueck ] bettie serveert - log 22? [Damon ] Re: bettie serveert - log 22? [Neile Graham ] cd collectin' (was Re: multi-cd player question) [Damon ] Re: cd collectin' [Damon ] Re: bettie serveert - log 22? [Damon ] Re: cd collectin' [jonathan soong ] cd copy protection redux [Damon ] Re: cd copy protection redux [alan ] RE: cd collectin' / how to keep the cd collection more manageable / creating an ecto library of obscure stuff for trade? [] Re: cd copy protection redux ["Anthony Horan" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 16 Jun 2003 23:39:01 -0700 From: Alan Subject: Re: Cyoakha & The Blind & Alison Bailey On Sun, 2003-06-15 at 23:56, cyo@landoftheblind.com wrote: > if any ectos are in Oregon this weekend...here's my mini tour schedule What? No house concerts in Portland? I am sure Michael Pearce would host one... > > Cyoakha Grace with members of Blind and special guest, Alison Bailey on > violin.... > ONE > THe Blind's Tribal-Trance-Druid-Dance with Celtic fiddler deluxe-Alison Bailey > Silver Falls Park, Oregon, Saturday June 21 > Sun Gatherers Festival, Middle Earth > Music and rituals and fun all weekend, Blind plays only Sat night > FANS OF CYO & THE BLIND receive $25 OFF THE $75 TICKET!!! > for tickets for the weekend fest, info and directions > www.middleearthgathering.com > 503)502-1415 > bladu@hotmail.com OUR THANKS TO BOB LANDU! > > AND > TWO > Salem Oregon House Concert > Sunday June 22 1pm > Wine, food and fun! $10 at the door > Cyoakha Grace, Krystov of the Blind, Alison Bailey "One of the 3 best > violinists in the West" > for info, directions > evett@advcorp.com > 503-931-6232 > > OUR THANKS TO DIANE EVETT, OR "MR AND MRS GWAR"!!!!FOR HOSTING US! > > > thanks all, see ya soon! - -- Alan ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 03:00:04 -0400 (EDT) From: Mike Matthews Subject: Today's your birthday, friends... i*i*i*i*i*i i*i*i*i*i*i *************** *****HAPPY********* **************BIRTHDAY********* *************************************************** *************************************************************************** ******************* Albert Philipsen (no Email address) ******************* ******************** Neal R. Copperman (neal@swcp.com) ******************** ********** Susan Kay Anderson (Susan.Kay.Anderson@m.cc.utah.edu) ********** *************************************************************************** -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- - -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Albert Philipsen Mon June 17 1968 Gemini Neal R. Copperman Thu June 17 1965 Gemini Susan Kay Anderson Tue June 17 1969 Gemini Ecto-The Mailing List Tue June 18 1991 Fuzzy blue Tracy Barber Mon June 18 1956 Gemini Greg Dunn Thu June 18 1953 + Paul Blair Thu June 18 1964 Objectivist Mike Connell Sat June 18 1955 Apollo David Lubkin Fri June 20 1958 OurLady Marisa Wood Fri June 20 1969 Gemini Cheri Villines Sun June 20 1965 Gemini-Leo rising Ray Misra Sat June 20 1970 Gemini Nik Popa Sun June 22 1969 Cancer Teresa VanDyne Thu June 23 1960 Cancer Dave Torok Mon June 24 1968 Cancer Ethan Straffin Thu June 24 1971 Cancer Kevin Dekan Mon June 27 1960 Cancer Samantha Tanner Tue June 30 1970 Wild Goose BunkyTom Tue July 02 1968 Cancer Anders Hallberg Tue July 03 1962 Cancer Kevin Harkins Thu July 05 1973 Cancer Laurel Krahn Mon July 05 1971 Cancer John J Henshon Mon July 05 1954 The Year Of The Horse / Ruled By The Moon Jim Gurley Mon July 06 1959 Cancer Lisa Rouchka Fri July 08 1960 Moonchild with Java Rising Courtney Dallas Fri July 09 1971 Catte Michael Peskura Sat July 09 1949 HallOfFamer Finney T. Tsai Sat July 09 1966 Cancer Larry Greenfield Tue July 11 1950 Virgo Rising; Gemini Moon Marion Kippers Tue July 13 1965 Kreeft Ellen Rawson Thu July 13 1961 Double Cancer Mitch Pravatiner Mon July 14 1952 Cancer R. Rapp Wed July 14 1954 On a Gray Eye Sojourn John Zimmer Sun July 16 1961 Cancer Dan Stark Sun July 16 1961 Cancer - -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 15:37:55 -0500 (CDT) From: Chip Lueck Subject: Walk Down Memory Lane Hello all! The Anniversary of Ecto, and the ensuing conversations here, have sent me on a fun journey down memory lane. Although I rarely post (I think it's been years!), I've been subscribed to ecto pretty much since its inception (was that 12 years ago already!?) I started reading some of the archives from the first few months of ecto, and I remember some of those conversations like they were yesterday! I have fond memories of the HGP era, and wore out my own copies of those tapes, as well as the Ecto SIG. Special thanks to Vickie & Yngve for providing the 1991 HGP online -- though I still have the tapes, I no longer have a tape player hooked up to anything. I've been listening to the MP3's today on my player, and got into this nostalgic mood. :-) Thanks to all the ectophiles, new & old for all the discussions and recommendations. My music library is much larger and so much more diverse than it ever would have been had it not been for that flamewar on rec.music.gaffa those many years ago. Through the years I've been fortunate enough to meet a number of ectophiles, and this list truly has some of the most fun, kind, interesting, and all-around cool people around. Here's to many more years of musical discovery, diverse topics, and random ramblings! - -- Chip Lueck Please note: To avoid spam, I use a special address for all mailing list activity. If you want to communicate with me privately, you can respond to this message, and I'll probably get it, but if you want to be sure, you can send me a message via http://www.chiplueck.com/email.html -- of course, if you already know my private email address, just use that! :-) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 14:19:57 -0700 From: Damon Subject: bettie serveert - log 22? hi all - does anyone have comments on bettie serveert's 2002 release, _log 22_? i checked the archives but couldn't find anything. i quite enjoyed _dust bunnies_ - which is their only other one i've heard - despite it being generally labelled `not as good as the first two' in the guide. i picked _log 22_ up today as part of a stupendous $220 EWS spree at a&b sound - but fortunately it's not really EWS as i had almost $400 store credit due to a `bonus' we were given at work that i didn't want/need and took back to the store. so i'm trying to spend that much and was having a hard time until today, when i finally gave in and started buying up the cds i thought were too highly-priced and had been avoiding before. a&b's prices have definitely been on a steep incline since sam's closed down next door. anyway, whether or not i'm spending `real' money it certainly still *feels* like EWS and i feel guilty. ;) other things purchased, for the curious: - dar williams: the beauty of the rain - his name is alive: last night - his name is alive: someday my blues will cover the earth - kristin hersh: the grotto - lisa germano: songs for a liquid pig - annie lennox: bare - sarah harmer: you were here - joni mitchell: ladies of the canyon - joni mitchell: night ride home - victoria williams: musings of a creekdipper - soundtrack from baraka - -damon - -- dl+ecto@usrbin.ca: protecting my real address since 2002 (too late!) > EWS starts here! < ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 14:26:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Neile Graham Subject: Re: bettie serveert - log 22? On Tue, 17 Jun 2003, Damon wrote: > hi all - > > does anyone have comments on bettie serveert's 2002 release, _log 22_? > i checked the archives but couldn't find anything. i quite enjoyed > _dust bunnies_ - which is their only other one i've heard - despite it > being generally labelled `not as good as the first two' in the guide. I haven't bought it yet but have been on the look out for a used copy, as I heard a couple of tracks and thought that it sounded interesting. So let us know, ok? - --Neile ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 14:37:16 -0700 From: Damon Subject: cd collectin' (was Re: multi-cd player question) On 16 Jun, Kjetil Torgrim Homme wrote: > [Damon]: > > speaking of which, does anyone have any particulary experiences > > (positive or negative) with particular brands/models of multi-cd > > players that they could share? > > seriously, why bother with a physical jukebox in this day and age? a > 200 GB harddisk will hold 500 CDs compressed losslessly (FLAC), or > 2500 CDs with high-quality Ogg Vorbis. I stream them over my home > network to my (modded) Xbox which is hooked up to the stereo. if you > worry about audio quality, remember the audio signal can be > transmitted digitally to your amplifier. also, if I turn on the TV, I > can take a look at the cover and other information. basically, because i've become a collector. i used to collect coins, but then around the time i discovered ecto, i switched to collecting cds. i guess i'm just one of those people who needs *some* sort of collection of physical objects - i freely admit i'm a packrat, and i freely admit that something like music isn't at all about the medium in the end, as long as the quality is good. but, i collect cds. how about it, anyone else out there who is willing to admit they're a little more married to the medium than maybe they'd like? and yes, i could of course still rip my cds to hard disk and set things up that way, but in truth my setup is such that that's hard to do, just because of the physical placement of objects in the room. to get from the computer to the amp i'd have to run so much wire even *my* terrible ears would be able to tell the difference. but before you object, i also freely admit there could be ways around this if i wanted it - but in the end, part of it is just sheer stubbornness - i've invested a lot in my cd collection and i want to get some enjoyment out of it. interestingly stick-in-the-mud attitude for someone who otherwise is a pretty hard-core computer geek i think. ;) though i really ought to think about backing it all up by ripping it to disk. and once i do that, i might just finally make the jump, you never know. ironically enough, i had an xbox recently (a bonus at work) that i could have modded, but instead i took it back to a&b for store credit, which i'm in the process of spending on more cds. ;) while i was there today i saw that there are more and more `copy control' logos on cds i might concievably have otherwise purchased (none i really *wanted* thankfully). i have decided i will refuse to purchase, as a point of principle if nothing else, any such cds. so ironically (again), the major record labels may well provide the final push to make me go digital. copy protected cds really are the only ones i'd be likely to want to `illegally' copy, if i liked the music enough. luckily in recent years there've been less and less major label releases i'd want anyway. i was worried about annie lennox's new one as apparently it's copy protected in europe, but i didn't see anything on the copy at a&b, and it's playing fine with xmms at work right now. - -damon - -- dl+ecto@usrbin.ca: protecting my real address since 2002 (too late!) > EWS starts here! < ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 00:23:38 +0200 From: Kjetil Torgrim Homme Subject: Re: cd collectin' [Damon]: > > [Kjetil Torgrim Homme]: > > seriously, why bother with a physical jukebox in this day and age? > > basically, because i've become a collector. > > i used to collect coins, but then around the time i discovered > ecto, i switched to collecting cds. i guess i'm just one of those > people who needs *some* sort of collection of physical objects - i > freely admit i'm a packrat, and i freely admit that something like > music isn't at all about the medium in the end, as long as the > quality is good. but, i collect cds. I'm not really a collector, since I pay little attention to taking care of the collected objects. no "near mint" albums here ;-). I do have precious few "illicit copies" of music, though, the music on my computer is either ripped from my 700 or so CDs or paid downloads. for a real collector, being able to put away the physical object, not having to worry about it getting scratched when used, should be a huge bonus. > how about it, anyone else out there who is willing to admit > they're a little more married to the medium than maybe they'd > like? with a jukebox, you fill her up and forget about them. you lose the closeness to the medium regardless. > while i was there today i saw that there are more and more `copy > control' logos on cds i might concievably have otherwise purchased > (none i really *wanted* thankfully). i have decided i will refuse > to purchase, as a point of principle if nothing else, any such > cds. same here. I make a point of asking if they have a CD version of those albums. > i was worried about annie lennox's new one as apparently it's copy > protected in europe, but i didn't see anything on the copy at a&b, > and it's playing fine with xmms at work right now. look for the "compact disc" logo before you buy... - -- Kjetil T. | read and make up your own mind np: Lisa Germano: Slide | http://www.cactus48.com/truth.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 15:47:12 -0700 From: Damon Subject: Re: cd collectin' On 18 Jun, Kjetil Torgrim Homme wrote: > I'm not really a collector, since I pay little attention to taking > care of the collected objects. no "near mint" albums here ;-). I do > have precious few "illicit copies" of music, though, the music on my > computer is either ripped from my 700 or so CDs or paid downloads. > for a real collector, being able to put away the physical object, not > having to worry about it getting scratched when used, should be a huge > bonus. heh, you misunderstood - i'm not an anal sort of collector trying to keep things `near mint', by any means. i mean, i do try to keep them in good condition, like not getting cardboard cd cases all dirty, but i don't go way out of my way to do so. > > how about it, anyone else out there who is willing to admit > > they're a little more married to the medium than maybe they'd > > like? > > with a jukebox, you fill her up and forget about them. you lose the > closeness to the medium regardless. i'm actually pretty sure i don't want one of the `jukebox' style cd players anyway, which is why in the original email i mentioned i was leaning more towards a 5-disc carousel type arrangement. i'd like to be able to put in a few discs so i don't have to get up and change it constantly while hanging out with friends - but i don't think i have any reason to want half my collection in the player at any one time. really, if i wanted that i *would* just hook it up to the computer. so maybe that answers your original question. :) anyway, this all *has* been something i've thought about a bit recently anyway - i've had to ask myself if i've got all this computer power sitting around anyway, why *don't* i just use that and file my physical cds away somewhere safe? part of it is the `collection' aspect - i just enjoy having the cds out as `part of the furniture' for people to leaf through. part of it is convenience - right now it is probably just easier for me to use cds. but if i put my mind to it and spent a very small amount of time setting myself up to `serve music' from the computer i'm sure it would end up just as convenient. so i figure there must be some amount of just plain stubbornness in the mix there, too. whatever, it's not a big deal. > > i was worried about annie lennox's new one as apparently it's copy > > protected in europe, but i didn't see anything on the copy at a&b, > > and it's playing fine with xmms at work right now. > > look for the "compact disc" logo before you buy... good point, i didn't think of that - and wouldn't you know it, there is no such logo on the disc or packaging. bugger. guess i should take that back... - -damon - -- dl+ecto@usrbin.ca: protecting my real address since 2002 (too late!) > EWS starts here! < ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 15:57:28 -0700 From: Damon Subject: Re: bettie serveert - log 22? re bettie serveert's _log 22_: On 17 Jun, Neile Graham wrote: > I haven't bought it yet but have been on the look out for a used copy, as > I heard a couple of tracks and thought that it sounded interesting. > > So let us know, ok? so far i'm only about halfway through and not really listening carefully, but i'd say it's quite enjoyable and fun. i like it. it doesn't feel like it's got as much of a consistent `hard edge' to it as did _dust bunnies_. more fun instrumental experiments, less consistency from song to song (in a good way). bear in mind this is first impressions and i haven't heard their pre-_dust bunnies_ work (though i've been keeping an eye out!) - -damon - -- dl+ecto@usrbin.ca: protecting my real address since 2002 (too late!) > EWS starts here! < ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 08:39:46 +0930 From: jonathan soong Subject: Re: cd collectin' I used to collect CD's. Up until about 3 years ago when i put a whole bunch into one of those booklets (also with the paper insert). It all went wrong after that. I lost a few CD's and a few were borrowed and never returned. But i got frustrated at people who never leant out CD's so i couldn't complain. About a year ago i decided to not care at all abuot CD's - let people borrow and keep them, borrow other peoples and not return them :) As a consequence my CD collection has gone from about 350 to abuot 100 :), but i am no longer burdened about worrying about them.. As a side point, one of my friends recently moved to the UK and asked if i wanted any of his CD's, after looking through them, i saw that 80% of the CD's i either have (or have had). The other 20% i weren't interested in. Furthermore, of that 80% that i have (or have had), i didn't really feel a burning desire to listen to them. Seeing as no one wanted his CD's, i told him i'd rip them all onto a server and put them on the Net so he can download the mp3's as he pleased (he got an iPod as a going away present!). So now me and my friends have an Mp3 server that we share - seeing as most of my friends collections have a great deal of overlap with my own, it means that people can get rid of CD's that everyone has - and focus on getting new music for everyone to hear. (legalities aside). We have now got about 400 albums online (but its password protected as i pay for bandwidth here in Oz :) )... Cheers Jon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 17:51:52 -0700 From: Damon Subject: cd copy protection redux well, there's no compact disc logo on the annie lennox release, but nor do i find any on quite a few other cds i highly doubt are copy protected. and given that cdparanoia is ripping the lennox disc with no problems (as a test) - i'd say it's still free and clear. - -damon - -- dl+ecto@usrbin.ca: protecting my real address since 2002 (too late!) > EWS starts here! < ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 09:02:49 -0700 (PDT) From: alan Subject: Re: cd copy protection redux On Tue, 17 Jun 2003, Damon wrote: > well, there's no compact disc logo on the annie lennox release, but > nor do i find any on quite a few other cds i highly doubt are copy > protected. and given that cdparanoia is ripping the lennox disc with > no problems (as a test) - i'd say it's still free and clear. cdparanoia tends to ignore such things. Another reason to use Linux. ]:> ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 22:29:39 -0400 From: Jason Gordon Subject: RE: cd collectin' / how to keep the cd collection more manageable / creating an ecto library of obscure stuff for trade? here's my dilemma on the subject - I have a whole pile of cds overflowing into the hallway - the stuff I dont regularly listen to - I dont have the heart ot get rid of it (as most of it borders on the obscure, even by ecto standards) knowing that 1) I most likely will have a devil of a time ever finding another copy of anything after I get rid of it and 2) occassionaly there is an overlooked gem or three that I have forgotten about until someone brings them up on ecto [like mary arden collins] and I say to myself that name sounds familiar and go hunting. last december I decided I needed to log everything into excel to at least have a list for insurance purposes (of course it is now moderately out of date...go figure :) ) - am I a masochist or what - I think the current total is about 2215 plus the 100-150 that need to be logged in (and the overflow in the hallway is unlogged) selling stuff on ebay seems like a waste and I'm sure local cd shops want nothing to with the flubber of my collection? any suggestions? (anyone want to trade obscurities that they no longer listen to regularly perhaps? maybe an ecto library to trade around stuff until we find things we adore? I'd love for my Lisa Sokolov, Kat Eggleston, or Elisabeth Cutler album to find a good home :) Jason BEWARE ACTUAL ECTO CONTENT BELOW!!!! I was listening to Robynne Dunn's Live at the Basement - picture Sarah Slean (Universe album not night bugs) or Susan Court put to Jazz (but very piano intensive, wonderful quirky voice, all material written herself I believe)...really good stuff and worth checking out (barnes and noble online seems to carry it for some strange reason) - highly recommend checking her out ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 14:56:40 +1000 From: "Anthony Horan" Subject: Re: cd copy protection redux Damon said, > well, there's no compact disc logo on the annie lennox release, but > nor do i find any on quite a few other cds i highly doubt are copy > protected. and given that cdparanoia is ripping the lennox disc with > no problems (as a test) - i'd say it's still free and clear. The presence of the Philips Compact Disc logo is not compulsory on CDs that comply with the red book standard; some attempt was made at one stage to enforce its use, and somewhere I have a client manual for a manufacturing plant that insisted on the presence of the CD logo. But almost none of the CDs I've been involved with over many years have included a CD logo, and yet they're completely standard, non-protected audio CDs. Is there a CD logo on the Lennox album etched into the jewel case tray? That one's gotten at least one record company that routinely copy-protects into hot water :-) - - Anthony ------------------------------ End of ecto-digest V9 #171 **************************