From: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org (ecto-digest) To: ecto-digest@smoe.org Subject: ecto-digest V9 #163 Reply-To: ecto@smoe.org Sender: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk ecto-digest Tuesday, June 10 2003 Volume 09 : Number 163 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Today's your birthday, friend... [Mike Matthews ] New discovery ["Mitchell A. Pravatiner" ] New Annie Lennox CD [tim@palare.demon.co.uk] Re: New Annie Lennox CD [Joseph Zitt ] H*P reminiscences ["Mitchell A. Pravatiner" ] Re: Mary Fahl concert in Cincinnati! [Kjetil Torgrim Homme ] Mary Fahl in Phila. [rich.rapp@effem.com] Re: New Annie Lennox CD [Ellen Rawson ] Re: Mary Fahl concert in Cincinnati! ["Joanna M. Phillips" ] =?iso-8859-1?Q?RE:_Kari_Ruesl=E5tten_video?= ["Amy" ] More voices: Sass Jordan, Chris Whitley, Dalbello ["Pamela P." ] prog rockers --- ever feel old? ["Adam K." ] Transit time from Sweden to the US? [Dan_Stark <2003.carnivore99@verizon.] Re: prog rockers --- ever feel old? [Greg Bossert ] Re: ecto music [Greg Bossert ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 03:00:03 -0400 (EDT) From: Mike Matthews Subject: Today's your birthday, friend... i*i*i*i*i*i i*i*i*i*i*i *************** *****HAPPY********* **************BIRTHDAY********* *************************************************** *************************************************************************** ****************** Sonja Juchniewich (no Email address) ******************* *************************************************************************** -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- - -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Sonja Juchniewich Mon June 10 1963 Pegasus Joerg Plate Mon June 12 1967 Gemini Chris Montville Tue June 13 1978 Gemini Ectoplasm (original name) Mailing List Thu June 13 1991 Fuzzier blue Paul Huesman Wed June 14 1967 coffee drinker Mark R. Susskind Wed June 15 1966 Gemini Dave Upham Sun June 15 1958 Gemini Mike Matthews Mon June 16 1969 Pr. SAFH Albert Philipsen Mon June 17 1968 Gemini Neal R. Copperman Thu June 17 1965 Gemini Susan Kay Anderson Tue June 17 1969 Gemini Ecto-The Mailing List Tue June 18 1991 Fuzzy blue Tracy Barber Mon June 18 1956 Gemini Greg Dunn Thu June 18 1953 + Paul Blair Thu June 18 1964 Objectivist Mike Connell Sat June 18 1955 Apollo David Lubkin Fri June 20 1958 OurLady Marisa Wood Fri June 20 1969 Gemini Cheri Villines Sun June 20 1965 Gemini-Leo rising Ray Misra Sat June 20 1970 Gemini Nik Popa Sun June 22 1969 Cancer Teresa VanDyne Thu June 23 1960 Cancer Dave Torok Mon June 24 1968 Cancer Ethan Straffin Thu June 24 1971 Cancer Kevin Dekan Mon June 27 1960 Cancer Samantha Tanner Tue June 30 1970 Wild Goose BunkyTom Tue July 02 1968 Cancer Anders Hallberg Tue July 03 1962 Cancer Kevin Harkins Thu July 05 1973 Cancer Laurel Krahn Mon July 05 1971 Cancer John J Henshon Mon July 05 1954 The Year Of The Horse / Ruled By The Moon Jim Gurley Mon July 06 1959 Cancer Lisa Rouchka Fri July 08 1960 Moonchild with Java Rising Courtney Dallas Fri July 09 1971 Catte Michael Peskura Sat July 09 1949 HallOfFamer Finney T. Tsai Sat July 09 1966 Cancer - -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 02:09:06 -0500 (CDT) From: "Mitchell A. Pravatiner" Subject: New discovery Tonight, Conan O'Brien had a band on his show called Robinella and the CC String Band. What they do can best be described as progressive bluegrass. They seem very much like Alison Krauss and Union Station, perhaps a little more traditional. I was very taken with the number they did on the show. They are worth your while to check out. Mitch ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 09:46:24 +0100 From: tim@palare.demon.co.uk Subject: New Annie Lennox CD Nobodys mentioned this and I forgot about it completely until Amazon popped it through my letterbox yesterday. Too early to form much opinion other than it is *very* personal. Tim ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 02:00:00 -0700 From: Joseph Zitt Subject: Re: New Annie Lennox CD tim@palare.demon.co.uk wrote: > Nobodys mentioned this and I forgot about it completely until Amazon popped it > through my letterbox yesterday. Too early to form much opinion other than > it is *very* personal. This is a dangerous day for EWS: new Annie Lennox, Radiohead, Steely Dan, and... uh... others all hitting at once. (My impulse buy will be the Wergo double disc of John Cage's "James Joyce. Marcel Duchamp. Erik Satie: An Alphabet". But I'm funny that way.) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 04:19:29 -0500 (CDT) From: "Mitchell A. Pravatiner" Subject: H*P reminiscences The thread on ripping the 1991 Happy Gift Project to digital media brought back a lot of wonderful memories for me. It started when the ecto community was young, and afforded me a lot of opportunity to put my creativity into play. I'm pretty sure that the playlist for the '91 HGP is in the new improved searchable ecto web archive. It would be in the files for either December of '91 or January of '92. I am almost certain that the ones for the projects done after I came on board are there for the period when Doug Burks was handling the technical side; I know for a fact that the ones for the period when I was handling all aspects of the production are there. Should I be wrong on the latter point, I should have them on my own floppy discs. As mentioned in the earlier posts, Vickie assembled HGP91, the first of the holiday compilations, and the one that set the standard for the ones that followed. Subsequently, someone suggested doing an encore in the summer, for Happy's birthday, and the Happy Birthday Project was born. Selections were submitted for HBP92, but apparently the assembly process was sidetracked. I do recall a playlist, or at least a list of what was submitted, being posted to ecto that summer; presumably it, too is in the searchable archives. And people--or at least I--submitted selections for HGP92 that holiday season, but I'm not sure how far that effort finally got; at the very least, no final product was distributed to the contributors. I don't remember for sure, but it might have been me who first weighed in in favor of keeping the concept alive after the 1992 hiatus. Regardless, we ultimately ended up with a division of labor, with me handling the creative side (intros and outros for the tapes in general, and for some selections for which the contributors could not record their own), and Doug the technical side (the actual assembly and distribution process). And so the golden age of H*P, if I do say so myself :-), was born. I won't presume to put words in Doug's mouth, but for me the next several years of project tapes represented great effort, great fun, and hopefully a great product. I remember them, among other things, as a showcase for my creative wordsmithing and eclectic musical tastes, not always strictly ectophilic. Happy herself told me, on a couple of occasions, how much she enjoyed those tapes. After the 1995 Gift project, Doug found it necessary to give up his assembly and distribution roles, and I took them over. The less sophisticated nature of my equipment was, for better or worse, undoubtedly reflected in the technical quality of the final product. And competing demands on my time led to lengthy delays in completion; for example, it could be as late as April before an HGP tape set was a wrap. Eventually I made these delays into a kind of running gag, acknowledging the out-of-season arrival of the product in ways like opening the tape one year with "Santa Claus Came in the Spring" by Bunny Berigan (also an example of my penchant for thinking outside the ectophilic musical box). Ultimately, the number of contributions to each edition of the Projects declined markedly. HBP98, the last to be transmitted to Happy (the task of duplicating and distributing it to the contributors was, unfortunately, sidetracked), filled only one C100 cassette instead of the traditional two. And only about three people contributed material for HGP98; I had ambitions to assemble it--with a lot of padding of my own--into a compilation, but other life situations caused that idea to fall through the cracks, where the HGP/HBP unfortunately has remained since then. For all that, I think the concept remains viable, and I applaud any and all efforts to revive the series. And I particularly endorse the idea of transferring past Project tapes to mp3 or something similar, where thay might, in the best case, be made available to all of us. I am unsure how many of those tapes--the masters of the ones I duplicated, and my copies of the others--I still have; some may have been lost in the recent forced bugout from my old house, and some of those I was able to get out may have been damaged in a basement flood a couple of years ago. But I would be delighted to make those I have, and are still viable, available for digitization. I hope that between us all, we can manage to preserve all of the H*P compilations, and make them available to the entire ecto community, in this manner. Mitch ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 11:56:52 +0200 From: Kjetil Torgrim Homme Subject: Re: Mary Fahl concert in Cincinnati! [Pat]: > > > Okay, before I get to it, I should mention that Sarah Baravetto, > > the opening act, was good...but the sound mix, IMO, was > > terrible. Waaay too much drum and bass, with her voice often > > being totally drowned out by the band. The distortion in the > > sound in general was very annoying, so that one couldn't really > > appreciate (in the true sense of the word) her voice for what it > > was/is. She did two or three acoustic-y songs, which were > > nice. My SO bought a copy of her CD, so maybe then we will be > > able to hear the lyrics. :-P > > Hi--I was in Sarah's band that opened for Mary. In our defense, Mary > gave us exactly 10 minutes to do a sound check. She was up on stage > after her sound check goofing around for 30 minutes while we waited to > get at the equipment. We never did get a proper check nor did the > sound man stand a chance to figure out what was going on. Just thought > you might want to know. Her CD should give youa much better flavor if > what her abilities are. > > Pat McCarty hey Pat, cool to see a performer give his view :-). fa.music.ecto is a one-way mirror of the mailing list, though, so most of the people on the list didn't see your message. to reach everyone, send the message by e-mail to ecto@smoe.org. (note Cc.) - -- Kjetil T. np: Happy Rhodes: The first to cry ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 07:55:55 -0400 From: Robert Lovejoy Subject: Re: New Annie Lennox CD I've heard it, and I really like it. It's one of those albums that grows on you with repeated listens. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 08:03:04 -0400 From: rich.rapp@effem.com Subject: Mary Fahl in Phila. Last week, someone asked for me to give more info about Mary Fahl's show at the Tin Angel in Phila. I really didn't have time due to work, but Joanna's comments below about the Cincinnati concert also reflect the Phila show on 95%. I added comments inside the *** stars, but Joanna does an excellent job of telling the story. From: "Joanna M. Phillips" Subject: Mary Fahl concert in Cincinnati! Okay, before I get to it, I should mention that Sarah Baravetto, the opening act, was good... *** No opening act in Phila, Mary's show was scheduled to start at 8:30pm, started at 8:45pm, ended approx 10:15pm *** Okay, on to the main event. :-) Mary Fahl was as magnificent as ever! She seemed less inaccessible dark goddess high above and more approachable but VERY gifted down-to-earth woman. :-) Her explanations of various songs and other patter on-stage accomplished this. I don't remember her *ever* talking on-stage at October Project concerts. *** Same in Phila, she talked to us between almost every song *** She did most of the songs off her new CD, "The Other Side Of Time"; two October Project songs ("Bury My Lovely" and "Deep As You Go", the second she said she appreciates even more, now that she has taken up deep-water diving); and one song that I asked her about afterwards (she was signing CDs in the back of the theatre). It is called "Ghost of Me" and will be on the next CD, she said. Very powerful! The crowd was very appreciative; and at the end of the concert gave her a standing ovation, bringing her back out for an encore. :-) She performed "Una furtiva lagrima" (from the opera "The Elixir of Love"...this song is on her new CD also). *** I've been to about 50-60 shows at the Tin Angel, and NEVER heard the crowd as loud, with standing O's after almost every song, and very respectful and quiet during her talking and singing *** *** Interesting odds and ends for Phila: Annie Haslam, Ed Schacky (Phila legend DJ), Mrs. Schacky, Gene Godfrey (DJ from Burlington County College radio), and someone from WXPN whos' name escapes me were at the front table. *** "Going Home" - theme song "for a film that tanked" :-P She wrote it from the perspective of the soldier going home...making it a timeless sort of song. *** I saw an interview with Ted Turner, who said he knew "Gods and Generals" wouldn't make a dime, but he wanted to back it, because it needed to be done. It's a prequel to "Gettysburg" *** "Ben Aindi Habibi" - "Paolo" - "Annie, Roll Down Your Window" - "Kindness Can Be Cruel" - "Dream of You" - *** All of Joanne's comments for the songs were echoed in Phila., Mary seemed to enjoy talking to us and explaining the songs. She also commented that this music was for the most part her music, and that's part of why she wanted to tell us about the songs. *** P.S. Her band was GREAT! I don't remember any of their names, but the sound problems of the opening act were not there at ALL. Everything was lovely, perfect, atmospheric, rocking (when it rocked out--and it DID!), absolutely wonderful! :-) *** Same for Phila, band sounded great, she took the time to introduce them all, but I don't remember their names. She also did comment that the old band she was with, October Project, is touring and "will probably be playing here soon and I wish them well on their tour" *** If you get a chance to see Mary in concert, GO! Be enthralled and come away happy. :-) And buy her new CD. :-) *** I'll 2nd that thought, and when you buy her CD, be sure to put it into your computer to access the "ConnecteD" section of her website, where you can view the video for "Coming Home", making of video, interview about her music, different mix of Coming Home, and another song. *** . Rich R. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 05:16:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Ellen Rawson Subject: Re: New Annie Lennox CD The Guardian (yesterday, I think) gave a recent Lennox gig 4/5 stars. Ellen ===== "Literature stops in 1100. After that, it's just books." - -- JRR Tolkien ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 09:30:13 -0400 From: "Joanna M. Phillips" Subject: Re: Mary Fahl concert in Cincinnati! Dear Pat, I didn't see your reply until *this* reply. (complicated?!) Anyway, thanks for posting and letting us know! I was out in the lobby while you guys were doing the sound check...and WOW it was loud *then*! And I guess our sitting right up front during the actual concert made it seem even MORESO! LOL! My SO got the CD, and he said it does Sarah a lot more justice. :-) I haven't listened to it yet, but I'm sure I will like it. :-) fleur At 11:56 AM 6/10/2003 +0200, you wrote: >[Pat]: > > > > > Okay, before I get to it, I should mention that Sarah Baravetto, > > > the opening act, was good...but the sound mix, IMO, was > > > terrible. Waaay too much drum and bass, with her voice often > > > being totally drowned out by the band. The distortion in the > > > sound in general was very annoying, so that one couldn't really > > > appreciate (in the true sense of the word) her voice for what it > > > was/is. She did two or three acoustic-y songs, which were > > > nice. My SO bought a copy of her CD, so maybe then we will be > > > able to hear the lyrics. :-P > > > > Hi--I was in Sarah's band that opened for Mary. In our defense, Mary > > gave us exactly 10 minutes to do a sound check. She was up on stage > > after her sound check goofing around for 30 minutes while we waited to > > get at the equipment. We never did get a proper check nor did the > > sound man stand a chance to figure out what was going on. Just thought > > you might want to know. Her CD should give youa much better flavor if > > what her abilities are. > > > > Pat McCarty > >hey Pat, cool to see a performer give his view :-). fa.music.ecto is >a one-way mirror of the mailing list, though, so most of the people on >the list didn't see your message. to reach everyone, send the message >by e-mail to ecto@smoe.org. (note Cc.) > >-- >Kjetil T. >np: Happy Rhodes: The first to cry ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 09:37:41 -0400 (EDT) From: breinheimer@webtv.net Subject: Re: claudine longet, all music guide and beautiful voices In V9 #162 Chuck(CDavis) asked about Claudine Longet. I checked the All Music Guide website (www.allmusic.com)and found that she only served thirty days in prison for criminal negligence in the shooting death of her boyfriend. They list a 1993 release (Sugar me) in the narrative but not in the discography (although that section lists two fairly recent compilations). This site has it's flaws but it's a wealth of information. I don't know how they can manage to keep selling books with everything they put out right here. They also list under similar artists Astrid Gilberto. Certainly the original girl from Impanema belongs on any list of beautiful voices. Two other names to throw out there-Eric Mathews and Hope Sandoval. And finally(bet you are all happy to read that) I was glad to see the mention of Sal (Spagmatino) Valentino (ex Beau Brummels and Stoneground) and saddened to learn that Jimmy Spheeris had passed away. Another great artist I will never get to see live. Both his "Isle of View" and "The Dragon is Dancing" are desert isle contenders. Sorry for the length. I guess that I store up quite a bit while lurking. np: Itch-Dyin' to be Jesus (piano/punk fusion with social conscience. Their "An Open Letter to Dr. Strange" should delight all fans of old Marvel Comics-especially the lyric sheet with it's Marvelesque editorial comments. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 09:57:05 -0400 From: "Varker, Patrick" Subject: Re:Claudine Longet Wow, I never would have thought my little mention of Claudine would actually get a couple of follow up post's. I had sent this to Chuck earlier but thought I'd pass on to the list. I believe Claudine is still living in Aspen where, yes she only spent a short time in the local jail. She did get married to her defense lawyer afterward. Last year A&M released a "Very Best Of" compilation that is still available. Oh yeah, Sarah Brightman's new "Harem" (I think that's the name) is also released today(here in the States) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 08:59:29 -0500 From: "Amy" Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?RE:_Kari_Ruesl=E5tten_video?= Hi there, I took a listen and you're right, she's great!! Her voice is GORGEOUS. The video is bizarre but very cool, I think. I'll have to go order a CD :) Thanks so much for the heads up. ~Amy Producer - www.collectedsounds.com A Guide to Women in Music > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-ecto@smoe.org [mailto:owner-ecto@smoe.org]On > Behalf Of Yngve > Hauge > Sent: Monday, June 09, 2003 12:08 PM > To: The Fuzzyblue Universe > Subject: Kari Ruesletten video > > > Hi, > > A Kari Ruesletten video is added to her homepage at > > http://www.gmrmusic.se/html/kari.html > > Weird but the music is great :) > > -- Yngve > > ****************************************** > * E-mail: onealien@mo.himolde.no ********* > * Cell: +47 41330571 ********************* > ***** Blessed be!!! ********************** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 09:04:19 -0500 From: "Amy" Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?RE:_Kari_Ruesl=E5tten_video?= OK here's a funny... I just went to Amazon and did a search on Kari Ruesletten. Nothing came up there so it searched the web and the first thing that popped up is my website. Now I feel like a dork. Anna Maria Stjarnell who does several reviews for my site (Hi Anna Maria!) wrote one for Kari's album "Pilot" and I spaced on it. Well, it was almost a year ago...is that a good excuse? Just wanted to mention it in case someone else noticed it and also thinks I'm a dork (not that I'm not). Here's the review in case you're interested: http://www.collectedsounds.com/cdreviews/pilot.html ~Amy Producer - www.collectedsounds.com A Guide to Women in Music > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-ecto@smoe.org [mailto:owner-ecto@smoe.org]On > Behalf Of Yngve > Hauge > Sent: Monday, June 09, 2003 12:08 PM > To: The Fuzzyblue Universe > Subject: Kari Ruesletten video > > > Hi, > > A Kari Ruesletten video is added to her homepage at > > http://www.gmrmusic.se/html/kari.html > > Weird but the music is great :) > > -- Yngve > > ****************************************** > * E-mail: onealien@mo.himolde.no ********* > * Cell: +47 41330571 ********************* > ***** Blessed be!!! ********************** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 16:31:22 +0200 (CEST) From: Yngve Hauge Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?RE:_Kari_Ruesl=E5tten_video?= On Tue, 10 Jun 2003, Amy wrote: > OK here's a funny... > > I just went to Amazon and did a search on Kari Ruesletten. Nothing came up > there so it searched the web and the first thing that popped up is my > website. Now I feel like a dork. Anna Maria Stjarnell who does several > reviews for my site (Hi Anna Maria!) wrote one for Kari's album "Pilot" and > I spaced on it. Well, it was almost a year ago...is that a good excuse? You might try a search for Kari not Kari Ruesletten ... would assume that Amazon is at times very american so not understanding those foreign letters :) It is available from amazon uk, but they got few copies left, so be quick. - -- Yngve ****************************************** * E-mail: onealien@mo.himolde.no ********* * Cell: +47 41330571 ********************* ***** Blessed be!!! ********************** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 07:40:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Craig Gidney Subject: Australian Pagan Poetry--Louisa John-Krol: "Alabaster." 1. The Throng on the Pier 2. The Lily and the Rose 3. Waterwood 4. Stone Lake 5. Me and the Machine 6. Light on the Wall 7. The Seventh Ingress 8. Paint the Wind 9. How should I your true love know? 10. The Search for Lost Souls - Midnight 11. Approaching the Island of Sirens 12. Dancing over Acheron http://www.louisajohnkrol.com LJK's new album is her most ecletic yet, and has more in common with Kate Bush, (circa "Never for Ever") or Happy Rhodes than it does with Loreena McKennitt, with whom she's often compared. The Renaissance-flavored "The Lily and the Rose," and the stately, Shakespeare-derived "How Should I Your True Love Know?" are the anomalous pieces here. Most of the material here takes finds LJK stretching her wings. The opening "Throng on the Pier" is orchestral pop, similiar in sound to the work Dead Can Dance's Brendan Perry explored on "Into the Labyrinth" and on his solo work. "Paint the Wind" and "Stone Lake" flirt with the straightforward folkpop craft of the Innocence Mission, while "The Seventh Ingress" and "Approaching the Island of Sirens" move into ambient soundscapes. Lyrically, LJK explores fantastical and mythological themes--she uses the texture of fantasy much the same way that Rhodes uses science fiction imagery. "Light on the Wall" is about leading parrallel lives, while "Waterwood" uses whimisical fairy imagery (butterflies on bicycles, tambourines in the sea) to describe looking at the world with child-like wonder. The prog-rockish "Me and the Machine" pits our herione against technology, with a non-Luddite conclusion--complete with computer generated voices, while "Throng" refers to the Illiad. At first listen, it appears that LJK has thrown her net and little too far and wide. But her glorious soprano voice is the silver thread that holds this tapestry together. Midway between Bush and McKennit, its crystalline purity holds the album together; her voice is the thematic continuity of this collection. Whether whooping like a Bacchante at the end of "Throng," or wordlessly soaring in "Ingress," it never fails to thrill. Her serene vocals bridge the gap between the dreamy acoustics of the Emily Dickinson poem set to music, "The Search for Lost Souls--Midnight" and the wild Bjork-esque electronica of the closing "Dancing Over Archeon." With "Alabaster," LJK moves to the forefront of the pantheon of progressive women. - --Craig L. Gidney __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 12:49:00 -0400 (EDT) From: breinheimer@webtv.net Subject: a plea for help from the more technologically minded Can anyone out there suggest any inexpensive audio devices that will give me a decent recording from a distance? Sort of like a portable device you would bring to a concert although mine is not for that purpose. A friend (a broadcast engineer for a major tv network) suggested anything with a directional mike. Knowing the tremendous amount of brainpower and technical expertise in this group I was hoping for a little more insight on the subject. np: Windham Hill Piano Sampler ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 10:36:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Nadyne Mielke Subject: Re: a plea for help from the more technologically minded breinheimer@webtv.net wrote: > Can anyone out there suggest any inexpensive audio devices that will > give me a decent recording from a distance? Define 'inexpensive', and 'decent'. A better idea of what you're recording would be helpful, too. /nm ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 17:52:53 +0000 From: "Lyle Howard" Subject: ecto music Greetings, I think we should take Greg up on the offer of a music site. I trust those of us with little or no internet skills can be taught to upload and download files. I used Freeway for about thirty minutes several years ago to send waves to a friend. Freeway went belly up. X-drive (I think that is their name) took up where Freeway left off, but they insist that uploaders and downloaders be paying members. With Freeway anybody (with a password) could access your files. Robert Lovejoy mentioned having Band in a Box. I am assuming Band in a Box can save midi files, so anyone with a midi music program will be able to share files with Robert and vice versa (that is assuming Band in a Box lets you import midi files). I envision an ecto music site (Grupo Ecto?) as a spot for midi files, wav files, and mp3 files. Aiff for the Children of Apple? I don't know anything about Linux and what kind of files it uses. The thing about staying in the midi domain is you always have the ability to change the key of your keyboard and (electronic) guitar sounds. I suppose you need at least a Sound Blaster Live-quality sound card to do digital recording on your computer. However those with 4-voice FM soundcards can still make music using midi files. In fact I think you can do some Aphex Twin type stuff using an FM card. I recommend that everybody download Pro Tools and use it as a standard. Go to this site to get it: http://www.digidesign.com/ptfree/ I just started playing with Pro Tools the other day, but I have determined that you can import wav files and thus should be able to assemble a multitrack master by importing a drum track, keyboard track, bass track, etc. These tracks can easily be supplied by others. Once everything is on your computer, you can then add vocals, live guitar, live keyboard, midi files, etc. I don't think anyone should be excluded due stone age technology or luddite leanings. If, once loops are up, someone feels the urge to sing over (or play over) a particular loop, in a worst case scenario we could round up two tape recorders, load one recorder with the loop and then have the luddite, er, traditionalist sing/play into the second tape recorder while the first recorder provides the reference loop. The tape can then be transfered to digital and added to a master recording. For those with no musical skills whatsoever, the guest solo percussionist spot will be reserved for you. Anything that percusses or rattles is grabbed and vigorously pounded or shaken into a nearby microphone, moved into the digital domain, and added to the master. Beer cans loaded with rocks make great maracas. Jumex fruitjuice cans make good cowbells. If you don't have any musical software/toys but like the idea of being in a virtual band consisting of, what, a hundred people, then for the outlay of thirty to seventy dollars (or free in the case of Pro Tools Free) you can play along. Here are things that will help: Acid Music, Cakewalk Plasma, Fruity Loops, MixMan (though I've never been able to get it to do much), any Magix Music program, Data Becker Music Center (assuming they are still selling that) and any number of professional level music programs. I would think a Sound Blaster Live quality soundcard would be a must. If you want to know about soundcards, there are a lot of us geeks/dorks (see, it isn't that bad a word) on this list willing to answer your questions. For midi note manipulation (digital sound, too) it is hard to beat the value of PowerTraks Pro (PG Music, $50). If you don't have a microphone to get sounds onto your soundcard and into a music program, I recommend you go down to RadioShack with $70 in your pocket (you could wait for a sale, too) and buy a 33-1070D microphone (made by Shure), which is a fine dynamic microphone. I can't remember if a cable is included, so you may have to pay another $10 for a cable (and maybe an adaptor). After a quick visit to the RadioShack site, it looks like they don't carry the mic anymore. Some stores may still have unsold stock, though. Anyone else know of a good, cheap mic? If Mr. Bossert can be persuaded to set up a site (no rush), I will upload drums, bass, keyboard (midi and wav) of a two chord folk song called "Little Maggie" to get the ball rolling. The ecto part comes in when you add vocals, guitar, symphony orchestra, percussion, wailing synthesizers, etc. If you have questions about software I will answer off-line. If I don't know the answer, we'll take it to the list. I play several instruments incompetently and sing rather indifferently. I look forward to collaborating with you. Bye, Lyle n.r. Hyperspace Michio Kaku _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 14:32:12 -0400 From: "Pamela P." Subject: More voices: Sass Jordan, Chris Whitley, Dalbello >np - sass jordan - so hard Ah, Sass...first entry in the forthcoming "voices that kick ass" poll? :) Boy, have her albums ever gone south though. The last one, with her new Sas Jordon moniker, was unbearable. Very late to the party here, but after reading the emails referencing "not great voices, but great singers" I have to throw in a vote for the rather non-Ecto-ish Chris Whitley. I finally got to see him recently after 10+ years of fandom and was really blown away. Also have to give a big nod to Dalbello. Her vocals on the song Eleven, in particular, are extraordinary. And come to think of it, she'd get some votes in the "voices that kick ass" category too. :D P2 _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 15:01:26 -0400 From: JoAnn Whetsell Subject: mary fahl ConnecteD Rich wrote: *** I'll 2nd that thought, and when you buy her CD, be sure to put it into your computer to access the "ConnecteD" section of her website, where you can view the video for "Coming Home", making of video, interview about her music, different mix of Coming Home, and another song. *** Am I the only person who always has problems getting these things to work? When I put in the ConnecteD and went to the website, it cleared the disc and gave me a bunch of things to click on: the songs, interviews, video, etc. But when I clicked on each thing, I couldn't get any of them to work. The computer asked me if I wanted to allow the whatever-they-called-it to go through, and I clicked yes. But all I got was a big red X next to everything. I'm not very technically adept and so am willing to believe the problem is my fault (I did try it a second time and the same thing happened) but if anyone could tell me what I need to do so it will work, I'd really appreciate it. Thanks. JoAnn ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 22:38:26 +0100 From: "Adam K." Subject: prog rockers --- ever feel old? Okay,this story is really best for prog rock lovers and Englishmen. Well, I thnk that narrows down the field to me, but I'll go ahead, anyway. I'm watching tv, an ad break comes on, and in that ad break, an ad for --- of all things --- a compilation album called "The Best Prog Rock Album.....Ever". And,by god, it is. As the sound clips come thick and fast --- Yes' "Roundabout", Focus' "Hocus Pocus", Jethro Tull's "Locomotive Breath" and Peter Gabriel's "Here Comes the Flood", and I'm getting more and more excited, singing along and playing air guitar and generally grooving along, smiling the smile of a man fulfilled. Then comes the tag line, solemnly intoned by the voiceover: "The perfect gift......for Father's Day". Oh, shit. Well, here's to the future: "The Best Ecto Album....Ever". You never know. adam k. np: Jill Sobule/Pink Pearl ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 18:02:08 -0400 From: Dan_Stark <2003.carnivore99@verizon.net> Subject: Transit time from Sweden to the US? Has anyone here ever ordered CDs from Skivhugget in Sweden to be sent to the U.S.? I ordered a couple of Elin Sigvardsson CDs that I am told were sent out on 4/25 but there is no way to track them. Five weeks later I'm wondering if i'm ever going to see them. How long do those of you in the U.S. typically have to wait for your European parcels to arrive? Dan ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 17:08:45 -0700 From: Greg Bossert Subject: Re: prog rockers --- ever feel old? hee hee. chuckle, chortle. hah hah h* erm. ah. well. it's not just englishmen... ;-) - -g On Tuesday, Jun 10, 2003, at 14:38 US/Pacific, Adam K. wrote: > Okay,this story is really best for prog rock lovers and Englishmen. > > Well, I thnk that narrows down the field to me, but I'll go ahead, > anyway. > [...] > Then comes the tag line, solemnly intoned by the voiceover: "The > perfect gift......for Father's Day". - -- "i've never been afraid to change the circumstances of the world" - -- Happy Rhodes - -- "except for bunnies..." - -- Anya ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 17:21:07 -0700 From: Greg Bossert Subject: Re: ecto music On Tuesday, Jun 10, 2003, at 10:52 US/Pacific, Lyle Howard wrote: > I think we should take Greg up on the offer of a music site. I trust > those of us with little or no internet skills can be taught to upload > and download files. I used Freeway for about thirty minutes several > years ago to send waves to a friend. Freeway went belly up. X-drive > (I think that is their name) took up where Freeway left off, but they > insist that uploaders and downloaders be paying members. With Freeway > anybody (with a password) could access your files. well, i've set up several similar sharing/collaboration sites for ARTISTS and MUSICIANS, with no permanent mental or physical damage resulting, so i suspect that it will be no challenge to any ectophilic types. (less this seem overly flippant, let me emphasis that not only am i an occasional MUSICIAN and ARTIST, but i was an ENGLISH MAJOR, which totally blows any geek pretensions to which i might, um, pretend ;-) > Robert Lovejoy mentioned having Band in a Box. I am assuming Band in > a Box can save midi files, so anyone with a midi music program will be > able to share files with Robert and vice versa (that is assuming Band > in a Box lets you import midi files). yah, and a fun bit o' program it is, too. > I envision an ecto music site (Grupo Ecto?) as a spot for midi files, > wav files, and mp3 files. Aiff for the Children of Apple? I don't > know anything about Linux and what kind of files it uses. well, "sox" runs on Linux and MacOS X (and there are plenty of other conversion tools available), so these days one might as well use WAV files for central storage, and convert as needed. i may attempt a convert-on-download feature, if i am feeling ambitious. > [...excellent discussion deleted for brevity -- go see Lyle's original > post...] > > If Mr. Bossert can be persuaded to set up a site (no rush), I will > upload drums, bass, keyboard (midi and wav) of a two chord folk song > called "Little Maggie" to get the ball rolling. The ecto part comes > in when you add vocals, guitar, symphony orchestra, percussion, > wailing synthesizers, etc. i will do so! i am off to St. Martin for a week (woo!), and then will need to do a touch more programming on my latest collaboration tool, but it'll hopefully be up and going in early July. fun! fun and footahs! (haven't done that in a while...) - -g - -- "i've never been afraid to change the circumstances of the world" - -- Happy Rhodes - -- "except for bunnies..." - -- Anya ------------------------------ End of ecto-digest V9 #163 **************************