From: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org (ecto-digest) To: ecto-digest@smoe.org Subject: ecto-digest V9 #148 Reply-To: ecto@smoe.org Sender: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk ecto-digest Tuesday, May 27 2003 Volume 09 : Number 148 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Internet Radio - any suggestions? ["John Zimmer" ] natasha jones [anna maria "stjärnell" ] meret becker for sale trade [anna maria "stjärnell" ] Re: natasha jones [AzeemAK@aol.com] Re: Internet Radio [Runly ] Re: For a limited time only... [Leon van Stuivenberg ] Re: For a limited time only... ["Xenu's Sister" ] Broken URL and Jennifer Ferguson (Re: For a limited time only... ["Xenu's] Re: For a limited time only... [meredith ] Re: For a limited time only... ["Xenu's Sister" ] Re: For a limited time only... [dmw ] In defense of idiocy...( was: For a liimited time) ["Phillip Hudson" ] Re: In defense of idiocy...( was: For a liimited time) ["Xenu's Sister" ] RE: In defense of idiocy...( was: For a liimited time) ["Phillip Hudson"] Matrix Metathread [Paul Blair ] Re: Matrix Metathread ["Xenu's Sister" ] RE: Matrix Metathread ["Phillip Hudson" ] Matrix Metathread [Steve VanDevender ] Re: Matrix Metathread [Paul Blair ] Re: Matrix Metathread [Steve VanDevender ] Re: Matrix Metathread ["Lord Tyr" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 01:17:57 -0700 From: "John Zimmer" Subject: Re: Internet Radio - any suggestions? Jon asked: > Anyone know of any good Internet Radio stations? http://www.radioparadise.com -- "eclectic intelligent rock", including some very ecto-friendly artists (e.g., Kate, Sarah, Tori, Vienna(!), etc.). http://www.somafm.com -- multiple streams. http://orbislumen.net/seattletech -- "ambient/techno/classical/rock" Ogg Vorbis stream. WinAmp handles it fine under Windows, Linux/UNIX folks of course can use XMMS. http://www.kexp.org -- multiple stream formats, including uncompressed audio for those with *really* fast connections. :) http://www.digitallyimported.com -- "electronic dance music with highly addictive elements." I find their trance stream most listenable, YMMV. Classical and jazz streams are also available. http://www.epiphanycorp.com -- "100% RIAA-free" indie music with a triphop/downtempo/ambient leaning. Hope this helps. John ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 03:39:50 -0700 (PDT) From: anna maria "stjärnell" Subject: natasha jones Hi.. natasha jones of pooka has a solo record called the morning after out soon. there is hope. as for emiliana torrini..she did sing gollum's song on the soundtrack to the two towers so she's still around. anna maria __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 03:54:59 -0700 (PDT) From: anna maria "stjärnell" Subject: meret becker for sale trade hi.. have a disc by meret beker called fragiles for sale or trade..it's quite unusual and not for everyone but someone could really like it. she's married to one of einsturzende neubaten. contact me if interested, anna maria __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 07:10:41 EDT From: AzeemAK@aol.com Subject: Re: natasha jones In a message dated 26/05/2003 11:40:29 GMT Daylight Time, stjC$rnellstjarnell@yahoo.com writes: > natasha jones of pooka has a solo record called the > morning after out soon. > there is hope. > I have high hopes for this too Anna Maria. Pooka were completely brilliant - especially their second album, Spinning, which is one of my all-time favourites. Whenever I see it going cheap in a second-hand shop, I buy it and give it to someone so that they can enjoy it too - I just can't bear to leave it on the rack! They were a superb live act too. To my chagrin, I was forced to miss Natasha in concert this Friday past (23rd), owing to having a heavy cold. I'll be keeping an eye out for any more dates. Sharon Lewis, the other half of Pooka, has been doing some gigs in Brighton, and according to her website she is also working on a solo album. She's great too. Azeem in London ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 08:50:35 -0400 From: Runly Subject: Re: Internet Radio Hi All, I love, love, love 3WK Underground Radio (http://www.3wk.com). Check out their list of artists (http://www.3wk.com/artists.htm). Where else can you hear Aphex Twin? Sharon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 17:00:55 +0200 From: Leon van Stuivenberg Subject: Re: For a limited time only... sorry, does anyone know how this url ends? http://equipoise.teemingmillions.com/HappyRhodesLive_LilyOfTheValley-Possessed_Tin ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 11:09:36 +0100 From: "Xenu's Sister" Subject: Re: For a limited time only... At 05:00 PM 5/26/2003 +0200, you wrote: >sorry, does anyone know how this url ends? > >http://equipoise.teemingmillions.com/HappyRhodesLive_LilyOfTheValley-Possessed_Tin Ooops, hold on, It'll be fixed in a few minutes. Sorry! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 11:27:23 +0100 From: "Xenu's Sister" Subject: Broken URL and Jennifer Ferguson (Re: For a limited time only... At 05:00 PM 5/26/2003 +0200, you wrote: >sorry, does anyone know how this url ends? > >http://equipoise.teemingmillions.com/HappyRhodesLive_LilyOfTheValley-Possessed_Tin I had a space between Tin and Angel and didn't notice it. It's fixed now. In the Suspended In Gaffa thread there, I just put up an mp3 of Jennifer Ferguson's "Suburban Hum" if anyone wants it. I've never had it on mp3 before and was able to get it from a cassette I made from the Forces Favorites album. Listening to it while ripping and checking it, I was struck at how powerful it still is. For those who don't know, when apartheid was still in effect in South Africa, a group of artists got together to protest the policy of forced conscription into the South African army. Imagine being drafted into an Army that enforces a racist policy you abhor. Musically, the album was all over the place and really, pretty average, but Jennifer Ferguson (spelled "Fergusson" on the album itself) wrote and recorded a nearly 10-minute powerhouse of a song. It's by turns soft and fierce, puzzled, questioning, sarcastic and angry, views of a "white girl white in a darkening land" who can't reconcile her comfy childhood with the sight of seeing a black child watch her father get murdered, and the apathy and inertia of the people around her. I wish I could describe it well. I urge everyone to get it and listen to it at least once. It's a brilliant classic. Vickie ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 12:26:34 -0400 From: meredith Subject: Re: For a limited time only... Hi, >sorry, does anyone know how this url ends? > >http://equipoise.teemingmillions.com/HappyRhodesLive_LilyOfTheValley-Possessed_Tin FYI, a useful site for forwarding long links is: http://makeashorterlink.com It really works! =============================================== Meredith Tarr New Haven, CT USA mailto:meth@smoe.org http://www.smoe.org/meth =============================================== Live At The House O'Muzak House Concert Series http://muzak.smoe.org =============================================== ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 11:54:40 +0100 From: "Xenu's Sister" Subject: Re: For a limited time only... At 12:26 PM 5/26/2003 -0400, you wrote: >Hi, > >>sorry, does anyone know how this url ends? >> >>http://equipoise.teemingmillions.com/HappyRhodesLive_LilyOfTheValley-Possessed_Tin > >FYI, a useful site for forwarding long links is: > >http://makeashorterlink.com > >It really works! That's a good thing to know about, thanks! In this case it wouldn't have worked. All my original files have spaces in them Happy Rhodes Live - Lily of the Valley-Possessed - Tin Angel5-10-96_2.mp3 But I have to take out all the spaces (and change dashes into underscores) for something that's going to be downloaded and in this case, I left in one space at Tin Angel, which is why it cut off after the Tin. I took the space out and shortened it a bit. Here's the full, working URL: http://equipoise.teemingmillions.com/HappyRhodesLive_LilyPossessed_TinAngel5-10-96_2.mp3 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 13:07:21 -0400 (EDT) From: dmw Subject: Re: For a limited time only... On Sun, 25 May 2003 FAMarcus@aol.com wrote: > Matrix_ represents two hours of my life that I'll never get back, and I'm not > making that mistake again" while true for them personally, is implying by > expressing it in a public forum that the rest of us who loved it must be morons. not at all. appreciation of art is subjective. i think the single harshest comment i've ever made about an artistic endeavor was "It's hard for me to imagine a reason to listen to this [record]," which intrinsically acknowledges that OTHER people might imagine (or have) perfectly valid, completely non-moronic reasons to do so. in point of fact, there were many things i liked about the first matrix movie, but there were far more things i intensely DISliked, and certainly some of those had to do with my personal biases rather than any objective criteria of merit. but meth's post made me feel a bit better about myself and my presence in this forum. after reading (okay, skimming) so very many posts about the matrix, and so many from people whose opinions i generally respect highly, i was almost wondering if there were something wrong with ME that i didn't/couldn't appreciate it. that's why i felt (and wrote) that i was relieved to hear that someone else felt that way. - -- d. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 12:50:11 -0700 From: "Phillip Hudson" Subject: In defense of idiocy...( was: For a liimited time) Vickie said Qte >How utterly boring would this list be if we all liked exactly the same >things? "Why does all this sound as if it's the few Matrix lovers who are being taken to task?..." So sorry to give that erroneous impression, Vickie; I have deliberately avoided most of the Matrix threads because I have not yet seen the movie and don't want to spoil it. I really wasn't singling any group or individual out for attention, just letting my brain cells out for some much-needed exercise, but I do think it essential that people on the list feel they can speak freely about their dislikes without risk of offending other people, or worse, causing others to feel they have been 'judged' and must defend their views, or their newly perceived status as idiots and morons. And speaking as a fully qualified idiot, I also take great offense at many peoples' cavalier usage of this term. It took me a lot of hard work and dedication to become the truly complete idiot I am today, and I deeply resent Vickie's presumption that real idiocy can be attained simply by watching a film for two hours. Zen Satori, yes, but not idiocy, it's just too deep. And it's really insulting to those of us who have dedicated our lives to perfecting our idiocy to have some dilletante Johnny-come-lately show up for a two-hour, $10 course at the Cineplex and think he or she has any real insight into the unfathomable depths of the sacred flame of stupidity Idiocy is hard work, taking many years of dedicated work to perfect, and people who think they have achieved idiocy in such a short space of time are simply deluding themselves. There is no short and easy path to idiocy; ( except by sending me or any other guru all your money) it takes a lifetime of hard work. So everyone stop calling people idiots when they're obviously not; It really annoys those of us who are. BTW: I wasn't around for "Shades of Gaffa 91" so I can't respond to that; was it better than The Matrix ? ;) Warm wishes to all. Phil Nopain NP Neil Innes: How Sweet To Be An Idiot. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 15:50:46 -0500 (CDT) From: "Mitchell A. Pravatiner" Subject: Battle born Think about it: without the events of 1991 on gaffa, there might not be an ecto today. Rancorous conflict is not a desirable thing, of course. But self-censorship in the sweet name of avoiding a flame war would be a classic case of a cure worse than the disease. What makes people cross the line from "interpretive interaction" to "circular reaction" (cf. Herbert Blumer, "Collective Behavior," in Alfred McClung Lee (ed.), _New Outline of the Principles of Sociology_) could fill books, and actually has. But if a little circular reaction fom time to time is the price of avoiding a stultifying blandness and homogeneity, so be it. We would all do well, though, to remember the great words of Thomas Jefferson: "Every difference of opinion is not a difference of principle." Mitch ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 16:40:30 +0100 From: "Xenu's Sister" Subject: Re: In defense of idiocy...( was: For a liimited time) > I deeply resent Vickie's presumption that real idiocy >can be attained simply by watching a film for two hours. My goodness, I never called anyone an idiot or implied anything idiotsyncratic about anyone or anything! In any case, I was just listening to Rhodes I. Damn I love that album! Not *more than* the others, because I'm hopelessly besotted with every single one, but there's just something a little bit more special about it. At least until I listen to the others and think that there's something a little bit more special about them too. I've been a Happy Rhodes fan for 15 years now, and not one of her songs have lost any of their magic with me. Let's all take out our Rhodes I (formerly Rhodes Vol. I) and turn to page "Moonbeam Friends" shall we? Happy was a kid when she wrote this cinematic bit of wonderment! Moonbeam Friends Waiting on my slumber They rest upon my pane My tiny moonbeam friends Clinging to my rain And when I lift my shade They quietly fall through They land upon my wall Sparkling of blue And when I cry They sing to me My little lunar friends For every hurt my heart can feel They try to make amends One of them I know I call him by his name He has a special cause To keep this child insane They make me warm inside When everything is cold My heart is burning young My mind grows old The painted stage It comes alive at night When all the world is dead And I become the sole audience And they linger in my head Now follow me my loves Everywhere I go Shine on every hair My oxy and nitro We have the world tonight So keep me company And when the sun comes We will be history Now watch me in my troubled sleep My spirits of the night And be nocturnal for me still Be gone with the light Be gone with the light ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 15:19:18 -0700 From: "Phillip Hudson" Subject: RE: In defense of idiocy...( was: For a liimited time) Sorry, my bad; we career idiots get a little touchy sometimes ;) ph Xenu's Sister Subject: Re: In defense of idiocy...( was: For a liimited time) > I deeply resent Vickie's presumption that real idiocy >can be attained simply by watching a film for two hours. My goodness, I never called anyone an idiot or implied anything idiotsyncratic about anyone or anything! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 18:17:25 -0400 From: Paul Blair Subject: Matrix Metathread 1. Good god the traffic on ecto has gone up this weekend! See what a little holiday will do. 2. Vickie, your computer apparently thinks it's in France--your time zone appears to be an hour ahead of Greenwich Mean Time, so your messages show up in the inbox before the messages you are replying to. Which makes following the thread interesting... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 17:31:19 +0100 From: "Xenu's Sister" Subject: Re: Matrix Metathread At 06:17 PM 5/26/2003 -0400, Paul wrote: >1. Good god the traffic on ecto has gone up this weekend! See what a >little holiday will do. > >2. Vickie, your computer apparently thinks it's in France--your time zone >appears to be an hour ahead of Greenwich Mean Time, so your messages show >up in the inbox before the messages you are replying to. Which makes >following the thread interesting... Wow! Chris built me a new computer and I guess it happened then. My clock is right for Chicago, but when I clicked on it to check the Time and Date Properties, sure enough, I was doing the Greenwich thing! I changed it, so I won't be looking like the Oracle anymore. ;-) np: Happy Rhodes "Given In" (Rhodes Vol. I) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 15:35:07 -0700 From: "Phillip Hudson" Subject: RE: Matrix Metathread I noticed that too, but I just thought she was psychic! - -----Original Message----- From: owner-ecto@smoe.org [mailto:owner-ecto@smoe.org]On Behalf Of Paul Blair 2. Vickie, your computer apparently thinks it's in France--your time zone appears to be an hour ahead of Greenwich Mean Time, so your messages show up in the inbox before the messages you are replying to. Which makes following the thread interesting... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 15:47:32 -0700 From: Steve VanDevender Subject: Matrix Metathread Paul Blair writes: > 2. Vickie, your computer apparently thinks it's in France--your time > zone appears to be an hour ahead of Greenwich Mean Time, so your > messages show up in the inbox before the messages you are replying > to. Which makes following the thread interesting... Given that Date: headers are typically inserted by the sending client, and use whatever time zone the client thinks it has, I would think that having your mail reader sort messages by date is going to cause problems no matter what. Or at least penalize Australians unfairly :-) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 18:59:30 -0400 (EST) From: Paul Blair Subject: Re: Matrix Metathread - ---- Steve VanDevender wrote: > Given that Date: headers are typically inserted by the sending > client,and use whatever time zone the client thinks it has, I would > think that having your mail reader sort messages by date is going to > cause problems no matter what. Or at least penalize Australians > unfairly :-) It would, except that the sending client puts time zone info in the Date: header too. So if each person's computer knows what time zone it's in, the messages will sort properly. For example, the header on your last message was > Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 15:47:32 -0700 where the -0700 means that the date set by your machine is 7 hours behind GMT, and so my mail reader translates it to "Today, 06:47 PM"-- whereas Vickie's message of just sixteen minutes earlier was > Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 17:31:19 +0100 where the +0100 means the machine thinks it's an hour ahead of GMT, so my mail reader translates it to "Today, 12:31 PM." Lotsa smarts in them mail readers. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 16:34:26 -0700 From: Steve VanDevender Subject: Re: Matrix Metathread Paul Blair writes: > Lotsa smarts in them mail readers. I wouldn't want to be the one to have to write the date-parsing code. While there's a de facto standard format, lots and lots of clients get it wrong, or are too clever for their own good and do things like use the local language's names for the day of week and the month. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 21:26:32 -0700 From: "Lord Tyr" Subject: Re: Matrix Metathread It has picked up a lot this week. It's nice seeing it in action though. I already made a Message Rule for the Ecto traffic :-) - ------------------------------------------- Lord Tyr LordTyr@paganpower.com http://www.paganpower.com/ - ------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ End of ecto-digest V9 #148 **************************