From: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org (ecto-digest) To: ecto-digest@smoe.org Subject: ecto-digest V9 #128 Reply-To: ecto@smoe.org Sender: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk ecto-digest Thursday, May 8 2003 Volume 09 : Number 128 Today's Subjects: ----------------- adding to the list of sf clubs/houseconcerts [cyo@landoftheblind.com] unix yum yum [Allan Anderson ] Today's your birthday, friend... [Mike Matthews ] Re: unix yum yum [Greg Bossert ] SF venues [irvin lin ] looks like i picked the wrong week to quit amphetamines. [Paul2k@aol.com] more SF gig locations [tjshadb@voyuz.net] Re: unix yum yum [Birdie ] it's never the wrong week to quit [dmw ] Re: MP3 rippin' [Yngve Hauge ] Re: looks like i picked the wrong week to quit amphetamines. [Nadyne Miel] meth, your name is being used in spam [Xenus Sister ] Re: meth, your name is being used in spam [carnivore@att.net] Re: more SF gig locations [Joseph Zitt ] Re: MP3 rippin' ["John Zimmer" ] Re: meth, your name is being used in spam [meredith ] Re: looks like i picked the wrong week to quit amphetamines. [meredith ] Re: meth, your name is being used in spam [Steve VanDevender ] Re: meth, your name is being used in spam [noam tchotchke ] jonatha brooke on npr [meredith ] s.slean ["Donald G. Keller" ] a bad case of norwegian EWS / bertine lyrical meaning question [Jason Gor] Re: it's never the wrong week to quit [Andrew Fries ] Throwing Muses [James Gurley ] fa.music.ecto usenet gateway ["Anthony Horan" ] ecto anime? [steve ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 06 May 2003 23:36:14 -0700 From: cyo@landoftheblind.com Subject: adding to the list of sf clubs/houseconcerts Paul, I would add Starry Plough, Berkeley, nice small irish pub, good system, always open to good singers, nice booker- Misty, always have been paid fairly there Noe Valley is very prestigous, not that small a house, great folk venue, a bit stuffy (intellectual? la de dah?..) but very nice system and built in audience Sweetwater, in Marin, Mill Valley, small bar with open minded policy towards booking, world, folk, well-known concert house, built in audience cyoakha grace Megan, your friend's house sounds great. She could raise money by doing concerts. Where is the house? Have you logged onto Houseconcerts.com? Meth also has done concerts for years and has lots of advice for your friend, I am sure. Anyway, houseconcerts are the best thing to happen to artists in a long time, freeing them from clubs and listeners not being forced to drink and smell smoke to see their favs....not to mention they are intimate and fun! cyo ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 23:59:40 -0700 From: Allan Anderson Subject: unix yum yum I count myself as a Unix user even tho I have MacOS X. maybe it's because I migrated from Linux and before that, BeOS (not a unix derivative, but you could pretend sometimes) don't know about the Apple Music Store. No HR, no Roy Harper, no Van der Graaf Generator...hardly any Kate! well, give them time. n.r. Parable of the Sower by Octavia Butler n.p. Bryer Later by Nick Drake - --- goin' where the weather suits my clothes ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 May 2003 03:00:01 -0400 (EDT) From: Mike Matthews Subject: Today's your birthday, friend... i*i*i*i*i*i i*i*i*i*i*i *************** *****HAPPY********* **************BIRTHDAY********* *************************************************** *************************************************************************** ************* Richard A. Holmes (rholmes@ccrma.Stanford.EDU) ************** *************************************************************************** -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- - -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Richard A. Holmes May 07 Taurus Steve Ito Fri May 08 1970 DA Bull... Brian Gregory Thu May 09 1963 Eclectic Heidi Maier Wed May 10 1978 Taurus Patrick Varker Wed May 12 1954 Torius Philip David Morgan Sat May 12 1962 Chinese Tiger in Bull Clothing Steve Fagg Tue May 13 1958 Nightwol Karel Zuiderveld Fri May 13 1960 Stier Michael Colford Wed May 16 1962 Taurus Christopher Boek Tue May 19 1970 Taurus Julia Macklin Mon May 20 1968 ethereus Yngve Hauge Fri May 21 1971 Gemini Lisa Laane Tue May 22 1973 Gemini Jewel Kilcher Thu May 23 1974 The Gem Chandra Sriram Thu May 27 1971 Gemini Taina Sahlander Mon May 28 1973 Gemini Urs Stafford Thu May 31 1973 Give Way Perttu Yli-Krekola Thu June 02 1966 Kaksoset - -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 May 2003 00:36:34 -0700 From: Greg Bossert Subject: Re: unix yum yum well, we're all unix users here, under the covers, as it were. ecto started out with jess under SunOS at Rutgers, got downgraded to Solaris at some point (by either jess or i -- yeepers, that seems like a long time ago...!), moved out to sunnyvale, ca and onto its very own Linux box with me, and these days is back on Sun hardware (and Solaris, most likely, though conceivably something like Suse Linux), courtesy of Jeff W. and the SMOE gang. as for me, i work on Solaris, play on MacOS X, and host an improbable number of web sites and name servers and mailing lists and Crazed Romanian Reason Refill servers under Linux, so that makes me, erm (one of us, one of us, one OF US, ONE OF US) um, i'm omnivorous, and my hair is short these days, but wasn't always (yeepers, it *was* a long time ago...!) hey, no one has said anything about Buffy in a while, probably due to the, you know, mediocrity and all. but tonight's ep was IMoHO the best in a while. who was that sounding like Heather Nova in the smoochy montage? - -g - -- "i've never been afraid to change the circumstances of the world" - -- Happy Rhodes - -- "except for bunnies..." - -- Anya ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 May 2003 00:49:24 -0700 From: irvin lin Subject: SF venues > From: Paul Schreiber >> In San Francisco: ... > Anyone care to add to the list? I'm actually quite partial to CAFI DU NORD but it may be that I live in the CASTRO and love the fact that I can just walk there and walk home. I've never eaten there, so I can't complain about that. I have fond memories of seeing JILL SOBULE there, as well as LOW, AMY RIGBY, and LORI CARSON. Ah that, was a great show, the LORI CARSON one. FROU FROU was suppose to play there, but for some reason it was cancelled. Damn them. I'd also recommend THE MAKEOUT ROOM in the mission (seen a number of bands there, small bar, with split level stage), as well as BOTTOM OF THE HILL (though strangely I have never made it over there. They tend to have really great shows, and everyone I know always looks at me in aghast when I tell them that I haven't been. Of course now that I am dead broke, I really no longer go to shows...). Oh and the JUSTICE LEAGUE. It's a club that usually only host hip hop bands, but occasionally they have other performers there (I saw APRIL MARCH there once). I've also been told that the BRUNO's in the mission is a nice place to see shows/play. But I've only eaten dinner there. Never taken in a show. Irvin ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 May 2003 05:00:02 -0400 From: Paul2k@aol.com Subject: looks like i picked the wrong week to quit amphetamines. Ahh Pro-Tools, you sweet bastard. Just a couple of things tangentially related by a tether to Digidesign: I noted in the liner to Vienna Teng's album that some part of it was recorded at Digidesign's headquarters. I meant to ask her about that at her show on Sunday, but there were tons of people waiting for her autograph. Ah well. By the way, that gig at Borders in Westwood was very well attended and she got a great response from the crowd. I brought my cousin and her hubby as well as my girlfriend, and they all fancied her quite a bit. Also, there was some excitement for me today at work. In one of the rooms here, they are doing transfers from analog 24 track and digital 48 track tape machines to ProTools for...ta dah! Tori! A british man is overseeing the process (i think his name is mark), and I helped them out for a couple hours this morning after I got off of work at 8 AM. Apparently, they're going to be doing a greatest hits album and needed to backup the tracks to ProTools from the decade old reels. I'm not sure if they're going to be remixing the songs within ProTools or recalling the mixes or what. But man, it was sweet seeing these old reels with tracks from Little Earthquakes and Under the Pink. That SF Chronicle article about the "Demise" of recording studios made me sad. I'll just sit here in denial. Looks like I picked the wrong time to begin a career in the recording industry. *sigh* Paradigm shift. Paul ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 May 2003 07:37 +0100 From: tjshadb@voyuz.net Subject: more SF gig locations I'll throw some more out there, I've either played at; our had friends play at all these locations. Dolores Park Cafe - right across from Dolores Park at 18th Street; nice little Cafe that has music every friday. Not large, so usually just acoustic musicians plugged into the house stereo system. Red Devil Lounge - Polk at Clay. Desperately wants to be Goth, but books a wide variety of musicians (and not necessarily talented ones). If you want to get really scary there's the Dog Pound out on Pier 3; we used to have a lot of Rocktronica gigs there, but it's a punk place mostly. Another little place that supports musicians is Papa Toby's Revolution Cafe on 22nd Street between Mission and Valencia. Broadways Studios @ 435 Broadyway does internet telecasts; they tend to be pretty good. I don't remember if Kimo's was mentioned; 1351 Polk Street. And for a while there was Mad Dog in the Fog 530 Haight St at Filmore. Canvas Cafe at the corner of 9th and Lincoln. And the dank, and strange Voodoo Lounge on Mission; the only hard rock sushi bar I've ever seen... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 May 2003 08:23:41 -0700 From: Birdie Subject: Re: unix yum yum OSX is all Unix under the hood, and it is easy to get into. I used to, in the 80's, have a shell account with netcom, with my Mac Classic and ripped all over the internet with 8 ram of memory! Blazing fast! At one point, I rigged up a GUI interface to my shell account, and that was the first time I had graphics on the web...Then came Mosaic....and when that went under, I think I went to Netscape 2.0....but I seem to think there was a v1. something for a short spell. I only go back to Unix now when I get a Mach Kernal . Netcom killed all the shell accounts one day. It was so distressing. Birdie ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 May 2003 11:43:28 -0400 (EDT) From: dmw Subject: it's never the wrong week to quit On Wed, 7 May 2003 Paul2k@aol.com wrote: > That SF Chronicle article about the "Demise" of recording studios made me sad. I'll just sit here in denial. Looks like I picked the wrong time to begin a career in the recording industry. *sigh* Paradigm shift. that article made me mad. first of all, what is good about it costing $1M (or actually, more than $150K) to make a record? i recorded an album on analog equipment (including a studer that once belong to michael jackson and a trident board from the bbc, big woop) -- we spent about $6K on recording, and a lot of that was spent doing finicky things to cover up the fact that we couldn't play very well. there are plenty of people who still prefer to play in a real room together, and you CAN'T do that in your bedroom. you can't record drums, or vocals, in any arbitary space and expect it to sound good. if you want things to sound good, you need -- even with pro tools -- microphones and preamps that are more expensive than most home hobbyists can easily afford. it really, really helps to have an acoustically well-treated room, which most folks don't have in their houses or apartments. you can spend $700 on a pro tools system that could theoretically make an acceptable recording -- but that price doesn't include the expertise to use it properly, which is still worth paying for. the BIG studios are, and should be dinosaurs. no one should spend a million on a record. no one should move their groupies and their drugs into a studio for three months (although, there's still mixerman, apparently). but project studios, like Phase Recording where I did my first album, or the Fidelitorium, where I hope to do my third record, should thrive. it's also dumb to blame **Pro Tools** blame antares and autotune (autotune is not part of Pro Tools, and it is used on analog as well as digital recordings -- we almost rented one to use on my record, but at the last second we were able to get our backing vocalist in to fix a few things in person). blame digital editing. blame poor judgment on the part of the record companies and the craze for making new hits by cloning the previous hit. but there's nothing protools does that cakewalk or logic audio or cool edit don't do. my second record is being done on Pro Tools, in at least two different ciites, in several different rooms, with begged and borrowed gear and a cast of about twenty five musicians in different combinations. it's going to cost less than the last one, and it will be much better. i spent four or five years bad-mouthing Pro Tools from a position of ignorance. i graduated from my prejudice and discovered one of the greatest, most liberating musical tools i could have imagined. now i want every one else to grow up too. - -- d. the pathetic caverns: a zine - opinionated and eclectic reviews a studio - specializing in indie/rock/mobile/live/demo recording 1220 L St NW Suite 100 #290 Washington DC 20005 USA dmw@pathetic-caverns.com http://www.pathetic-caverns.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 May 2003 17:53:49 +0200 (CEST) From: Yngve Hauge Subject: Re: MP3 rippin' On Wed, 7 May 2003, Andrew Fries wrote: > On Wed, 2003-05-07 at 09:56, meredith wrote: > > > I have a mental block on even the most basic of Unix commands. I gave up > > years ago. > > In that case, you might consider having another look at Linux - the > progress it made over the last two-three years is quite amazing. As far > as user-friendliness goes, it really isn't much worse than Windows any > more and if you wish to set it up this way, it can look and feel quite > similar too! > The last 2 weeks I've been using the latest version of Arklinux made by a group of people consisting of linux fanatics (the former head of design in RedHat who quit because they've destroyed the desktop and a friend of mine). It is probably the best current distro for new users and you even can play tetris while installing :) You don't even have to partition the disk if you got a clean partition ready - it does everything for you. Well worth looking into. I went to see Ephemera on Saturday, and I was surpriced of many young people had found the way to the concert. Their latest release Air has got quite alot of airplay here in Norway, and as I told a friend of mine who also went to their concert - "It is about time!". For those who haven't heard them yet - give them a try. - -- Yngve n.p. The Innocence Mission - The Innocence Mission n.r. Elisabeth Moon - Deeds of Paksenarion ****************************************** * E-mail: onealien@mo.himolde.no ********* * Cell: +47 41330571 ********************* ***** Blessed be!!! ********************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 May 2003 09:07:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Nadyne Mielke Subject: Re: looks like i picked the wrong week to quit amphetamines. Paul2k@aol.com wrote: [snip] > Also, there was some excitement for me today at work. In one of the > rooms here, they are doing transfers from analog 24 track and digital > 48 track tape machines to ProTools for...ta dah! Tori! A british > man is overseeing the process (i think his name is mark), and I > helped them out for a couple hours this morning after I got off of > work at 8 AM. Apparently, they're going to be doing a greatest hits > album and needed to backup the tracks to ProTools from the decade old > reels. I'm not sure if they're going to be remixing the songs within > ProTools or recalling the mixes or what. But man, it was sweet > seeing these old reels with tracks from Little Earthquakes and Under > the Pink. Atlantic is releasing a greatest-hits album. That greatest-hits album will complete Tori's contract with them. Now, if you can find out any info on the track listing ... ;) /nm ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 May 2003 13:30:52 -0500 From: Xenus Sister Subject: meth, your name is being used in spam !! I know!! I received this spam, and since other ectophiles were in the cc line, I thought I should send this to ecto instead of just a private e-mail. I have no idea how this came about. Did a virus maybe get your address book? X-Persona: Return-Path: <5rr5q2@verizon.com> Received: from mr04.mrf.mail.rcn.net (207.172.4.23 [207.172.4.23]) by ms06.mrf.mail.rcn.net (Mirapoint Messaging Server MOS 3.2.2-GA FastPath) with ESMTP id AXP39502; Wed, 07 May 2003 03:26:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mx05.mrf.mail.rcn.net (mx05.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.54]) by mr04.mrf.mail.rcn.net (Mirapoint Messaging Server MOS 3.2.2-GA) with ESMTP id CDB54597; Wed, 7 May 2003 03:26:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mig2.mrf.mail.rcn.net ([207.172.4.74]) by mx05.mrf.mail.rcn.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #4) id 19DJJV-0001dw-00 for vickie.enteract@rcn.com; Wed, 07 May 2003 03:26:05 -0400 Received: from te-64-146-79-22.transedge.com ([64.146.79.22] helo=GRIZZLY.tetonsheriff.org) by mig2.mrf.mail.rcn.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #4) id 19DJJT-00063U-00 for vickie@enteract.com; Wed, 07 May 2003 03:26:04 -0400 Received: from smtp0521.mail.yahoo.com [200.78.19.165] by GRIZZLY.tetonsheriff.org with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.13) id A135740092; Wed, 07 May 2003 01:09:41 -0600 Date: Wed, 7 May 2003 07:25:20 GMT From: "Theraya"<5rr5q2@verizon.com> X-Priority: 3 To: meth@smoe.org CC: cos@leftbank.com, vickie@enteract.com, ken@isis.st.3com.com, mcurry@io.com, violaine@juno.com, dbucak@netaxs.com, dmw@mwmw.com Subject: meth,EMAIL ADDRESSES, 'HOW TO' GUIDES, Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200305070109343.SM01064@smtp0521.mail.yahoo.com> (effing spam deleted. All spammers must die!) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 May 2003 19:19:44 +0000 From: carnivore@att.net Subject: Re: meth, your name is being used in spam The trouble is that all the Ecto mailing list messages get crossposted to an Ecto newsgroup on Usenet, complete with everyone's E-mail addresses. I just learned about this within the past few weeks and sorry, but i'm a little annoyed about it. I had no idea my info was getting posted to Usenet. I guess it explains the explosion of spam I've received in my primary (personal) E-mail box, since I accidentally posted to Ecto from that account once and it actually went through. The resulting spam has become so bad that now I'm going to have to close that address, which I've had for years and gave out to no one but my trusted contacts. Since I have to change my E-mail addys now anyway, I think I'll try a new strategy - create a new E-mail account for newsgroup & mailing list use, and change it monthly by appending the month/year to the name. ie: dan0503@mydomain.com. Anyone have any other suggestions? Dan^^Stark ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 May 2003 12:38:37 -0700 From: Joseph Zitt Subject: Re: more SF gig locations There's a good list of venues on the improv scene and links to them at http://www.bayimproviser.com/venues.asp My fave places to play are the Hotel Utah Saloon, the Black Box Theatre, and the Mills College Concert Hall. I've been to dismayingly few non-improv shows here, so I don't know most of the other venues. But I loved seeing Cyoakha at the Starry Plough. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 May 2003 16:25:57 -0700 From: "John Zimmer" Subject: Re: MP3 rippin' Paul asked: >Damn, is there anyone on this list who *isn't* a UN*X geek? My two desktop machines sit side-by-side, one running Windows and the other running Mandrake 9.0 -- I'm not sure if that qualifies me as a Unix/Linux geek, or just a braggart. ;) I already had email set up on the Windows side when I finally settled on the Linux distro I liked, so out of sheer laziness I still email from there mostly. But do I still get points for using Pegasus? John ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 May 2003 19:33:12 -0400 From: meredith Subject: Re: meth, your name is being used in spam Hi, Vickie forwarded: >I received this spam, and since other ectophiles were in the cc line, I >thought I should send this to ecto instead of just a private e-mail. I >have no idea how this came about. Did a virus maybe get your address book? Well, since a. I use Eudora, which is immune from Outlook viruses b. I have Norton Anti-Virus running on my PC 24/7, with a nightly full-body scan and c. most of the addresses referenced aren't in my address book, I doubt it's a virus issue. More likely it's an example of one of the spammers' most recent evil tactics: making it look like the spam is coming from someone you know. I don't know how they do this. As for how the other ectophiles' addresses got into the "To:" line -- I can't figure out how that could have happened. JeffW, got any ideas? =============================================== Meredith Tarr New Haven, CT USA mailto:meth@smoe.org http://www.smoe.org/meth =============================================== Live At The House O'Muzak House Concert Series http://muzak.smoe.org =============================================== ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 May 2003 19:42:03 -0400 From: meredith Subject: Re: looks like i picked the wrong week to quit amphetamines. Hi, P2K posted: >Also, there was some excitement for me today at work. In one of the rooms >here, they are doing transfers from analog 24 track and digital 48 track >tape machines to ProTools for...ta dah! Tori! A british man is >overseeing the process (i think his name is mark), I'm assuming that's Mark Hawley, Tori's husband. That's so cool that you got to be a part of that!! =============================================== Meredith Tarr New Haven, CT USA mailto:meth@smoe.org http://www.smoe.org/meth =============================================== Live At The House O'Muzak House Concert Series http://muzak.smoe.org =============================================== ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 May 2003 19:46:09 -0400 From: meredith Subject: Re: unix yum yum Hi, Greg recalled: >um, i'm omnivorous, and my hair is short these days, but wasn't always > (yeepers, it *was* a long time >ago...!) Oh my. That picture is ANCIENT!!! I'd forgotten I even had that up there. In case anyone clicked on it and is wondering, the ectophiles in the photo are, left to right: Greg, me, Christine Waite, woj, and Klaus Kluge. I can't even remember whose show we had just left. Innocence Mission, maybe? I have no idea. (Wanna hear something scary? woj still has that shirt!! ;) >hey, no one has said anything about Buffy in a while, probably due to the, >you know, mediocrity and all. but tonight's ep was IMoHO the best in a >while. who was that sounding like Heather Nova in the smoochy montage? It sounded like Heather Nova to me! Accept no imitation. I agree with it being the best ep in a while. Now I have to catch up on all those issues of _Fray_ I've been saving for eons so I can read the whole thing in one go, because I gather a certain weapon stumbled upon by a certain Slayer appears in those pages. =============================================== Meredith Tarr New Haven, CT USA mailto:meth@smoe.org http://www.smoe.org/meth =============================================== Live At The House O'Muzak House Concert Series http://muzak.smoe.org =============================================== ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 May 2003 16:52:19 -0700 From: Steve VanDevender Subject: Re: meth, your name is being used in spam meredith writes: > Vickie forwarded: > > >I received this spam, and since other ectophiles were in the cc line, I > >thought I should send this to ecto instead of just a private e-mail. I > >have no idea how this came about. Did a virus maybe get your address book? > > Well, since a. I use Eudora, which is immune from Outlook viruses b. I have > Norton Anti-Virus running on my PC 24/7, with a nightly full-body scan and > c. most of the addresses referenced aren't in my address book, I doubt it's > a virus issue. Well, at least it's not likely to be a virus that you sent, but it could well be a virus someone else sent which picks random sender addresses that happen to include yours. There was a similar incident a while back on Ecto where I got mail from Neile wondering why I had just sent her this huge message which I actually hadn't the slightest involvement in sending, and which turned out to be something like the Klez worm, followed by a few reports from other Ectophiles of receiving similar messages with other randomly-choose Ecto subscriber addresses. > More likely it's an example of one of the spammers' most recent evil > tactics: making it look like the spam is coming from someone you know. I > don't know how they do this. Well, a spammer has this huge list of email addresses, right? So why not pick a random address from this list to forge as the sender? It certainly cuts down on the complaints the spammer has to deal with. > As for how the other ectophiles' addresses got into the "To:" line -- I > can't figure out how that could have happened. JeffW, got any ideas? The common tactic is for the email worm to scour a user's address book or other saved mail or documents on their system for email addresses, which (when they're valid at all) are generally addresses of other people they know (and who may well know each other, if the addresses were taken from a mailing list). God knows I get enough bounces from whatever godforsaken lusers have gotten themselves infected with email worms and who then blast messages out to other people forging my address as the sender. Lately I have been getting bounces from some address used for submitting resumes to Bank of America, claiming the resume I submitted was not in one of the formats they want (well, duh, a Windows .EXE sure wouldn't be). Uh, yeah, I'm not bitter, sure. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 May 2003 16:59:01 -0700 (PDT) From: "Brian Bloom" Subject: Re: meth, your name is being used in spam > > More likely it's an example of one of the spammers' most recent evil > tactics: making it look like the spam is coming from someone you > know. I don't know how they do this. > > Well, a spammer has this huge list of email addresses, right? So why > not pick a random address from this list to forge as the sender? It > certainly cuts down on the complaints the spammer has to deal with. I've had this happen to me twice, with two different addresses no less. One was just a couple weeks ago even. Only way you even know it's happening is you start to get lots of bounce messages from a message you don't recognize. Baztards. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 May 2003 17:06:06 -0700 From: Steve VanDevender Subject: Re: unix yum yum meredith writes: > >hey, no one has said anything about Buffy in a while, probably due to the, > >you know, mediocrity and all. but tonight's ep was IMoHO the best in a > >while. who was that sounding like Heather Nova in the smoochy montage? > > It sounded like Heather Nova to me! Accept no imitation. > > I agree with it being the best ep in a while. Aaaargh. A couple of months ago I discovered where the new UPN affiliate in my area was, so I started at least sort of catching up on Buffy. Then last night I tuned in and got a black screen containing only the words: Alarm: Installation Mode Which suggests they were as fly-by-night as they appeared to be, and have since flown off into the night. So I ended up watching _Nova_ while I waited for _24_ to come on. And how about that _Alias_ season finale? Three aaarghs and a wail of anguish on top. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 May 2003 20:06:54 -0400 From: noam tchotchke Subject: Re: meth, your name is being used in spam one time at band camp, carnivore@att.net said: >The trouble is that all the Ecto mailing list messages get crossposted to an >Ecto newsgroup on Usenet, complete with everyone's E-mail addresses. while that is an issue, i don't think that's the vector used to generate the spam vickie forwarded. that one looked more like one of those outlook virus thingies which skims addresses from one's address book to me. or maybe it's from an ecto digest -- the archives of which are accessible on the web for all to see. >I just >learned about this within the past few weeks and sorry, but i'm a little >annoyed about it. I had no idea my info was getting posted to Usenet. well, it's not a new gateway. fa.music.ecto has been there since the early years of the list (i think it was made in late '91 or early '92) and it has been discussed on ecto several times in the recent past. >I guess it explains the explosion of spam I've received in my primary >(personal) >E-mail box, since I accidentally posted to Ecto from that account once and it >actually went through. The resulting spam has become so bad that now I'm >going to have to close that address, which I've had for years and gave out to >no one but my trusted contacts. oops. since your note was sent from an unsubscribed account, it sent to me for approval. since i recognized the name, i just automatically approved it not thinking that it might be a problem. you can smack me next time we run into each other... woj ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 May 2003 20:30:22 -0400 From: meredith Subject: jonatha brooke on npr Hi, When I got into my car to drive home from work today, I caught the tail end of an interview with/performance by Jonatha Brooke on tonight's All Things Considered. The full interview is here: http://www.npr.org/display_pages/features/feature_1254481.html I probably missed something from the first 2/3rds of the interview, but it really strikes me as odd that she was just on NPR to promote a CD that came out almost 2.5 years ago (_Steady Pull_). Still, it was good to hear her on national radio. It was a really long segment too, even for NPR! Speaking of former members of The Story, Jennifer Kimball is in a new duo called Maybe Baby, with Ry Cavanaugh of the Vinal Avenue String Band. Their debut CD just came out, and they're playing a bunch of shows. They will be at the Acoustic Cafe in Bridgeport, CT on June 6. I'll definitely be there. =============================================== Meredith Tarr New Haven, CT USA mailto:meth@smoe.org http://www.smoe.org/meth =============================================== Live At The House O'Muzak House Concert Series http://muzak.smoe.org =============================================== ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 May 2003 20:53:03 -0400 (EDT) From: "Donald G. Keller" Subject: s.slean I just discovered today that Sarah Slean will be at the Knitting Factory tomorrow (Thursday, May 8th), probably at about 9:30. So any fans of hers in the NYC area... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 May 2003 21:33:59 -0400 From: Jason Gordon Subject: a bad case of norwegian EWS / bertine lyrical meaning question I just got my wonderful package of cd's from norway - the wish list got to the point where it was worth the extremely high shipping... now playing on rotation: Velvet Belly (the 2disc version) Bel Canto - Dorothy's Victory Bertine Zetlitz - Sweet Injections Ephemera - Air Bertine's new album is quite yummy - still has the somewhat obtuse lyrics and voice as sweet as sugar. This has rekindled a question that I had meant to ask a while ago...does anyone have any ideas as to what her song "Butcher's Son" (off morbid latenight romantic) is about...I have listened to it over and over and honestly have no clue :) np Bertine Zetlitz - Sweet Injections ------------------------------ Date: 08 May 2003 12:27:37 +1000 From: Andrew Fries Subject: Re: it's never the wrong week to quit On Thu, 2003-05-08 at 01:43, dmw wrote: > the BIG studios are, and should be dinosaurs. no one should spend a > million on a record. no one should move their groupies and their drugs > into a studio for three months (although, there's still mixerman, > apparently). Exactly. Existence of huge, expensive studios is closely linked to huge, expensive music industry. And as long as musicians need hundreds of thousands to record, they are going to need huge record labels to fork out the advance, in return for the rights to screw them, and the public, for the rest of their life. So while rooms filled with expensive gear with lots of knobs and dials are inherently cool, their passing won't fill me with despair. blame digital editing. blame poor judgment on the part of the > record companies and the craze for making new hits by cloning the previous > hit. Or, just blame Napster. Why not? Recording companies blame it for everything else... :) - --------------------------------------------------------------------- "Grrr...Arrgh!" -- Mutant - -- 12:19:27 up 2 days, 23:09, 2 users, load average: 0.09, 0.12, 0.08-- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 May 2003 22:56:00 -0400 From: meredith Subject: Fwd: MARY FAHL Dates In NYC [demime 0.97c removed an attachment of type multipart/related] =============================================== Meredith Tarr New Haven, CT USA mailto:meth@smoe.org http://www.smoe.org/meth =============================================== Live At The House O'Muzak House Concert Series http://muzak.smoe.org =============================================== ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 May 2003 20:44:54 -0700 From: James Gurley Subject: Throwing Muses For fans of Throwing Muses, I wanted to let you all know that they will be performing live on Seattle's KEXP at noon pacific time on Monday May 12th as part of their Live@KEXP artist showcase. If you don't live in Seattle, you can listen to it over the web via www.kexp.org as part of their streaming audio. I believe that afterwards it will be available in their Live@KEXP archive. The also have archived live on-air broadcasts by Halou and Low. - --Jim [not Neile] - -- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 13:46:01 +1000 From: "Anthony Horan" Subject: fa.music.ecto usenet gateway > one time at band camp, carnivore@att.net said: > > >I just > >learned about this within the past few weeks and sorry, but i'm a little > >annoyed about it. I had no idea my info was getting posted to Usenet. > > well, it's not a new gateway. fa.music.ecto has been there since the early > years of the list (i think it was made in late '91 or early '92) and it has > been discussed on ecto several times in the recent past. The funny thing is, I never knew about it until relatively recently - a year or so ago, maybe - and I've been reading Ecto for a lot longer than that. I do recall a more "conventional" Usenet group being set up - alt.music.ecto, wasn't it? - but hardly anyone ever posting to it and me figuring it wasn't worth the trouble. It was only during a relatively recent scan of newsgroups during a change of news servers that I noticed fa.music.ecto, and wasn't terribly impressed about it. The way I see it, a mailing list should remain just that, and if people want to read it, they should join. I'm sure most people on the list *don't* realise their email address is being plastered all over Usenet for the spam harvesters to take into their little spammy family. :) Myself, I'd rather not be using my Hotmail account to post to Ecto (if anyone sends a personal reply to this account it's quite likely to be inadventently deleted as spam without being read, this account attracts so much of it) but with the gateway there I simply don't have any choice. There's a special presumption of being in a closed group of readers with a mailing list, that's why many people prefer them to Usenet. They want to discuss things with like-minded people, not the entire world. I've posted many messages on Ecto in the past that I would absolutely never have posted on Usenet were Ecto a newsgroup. > >I guess it explains the explosion of spam I've received in my primary (personal) > >E-mail box, since I accidentally posted to Ecto from that account once and it > >actually went through. The resulting spam has become so bad that now I'm > >going to have to close that address, which I've had for years and gave out to > >no one but my trusted contacts. That's exactly what happened with my previous private address - I killed the account (and took the opportunity to change ISPs!) because of the literally dozens of spams a day all from one inadvertant usenet post using my real address instead of this trusty spamtrap one. I cancelled the post, but it appears spam harvesters don't obey control.cancel messages :-) - - Anthony ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 May 2003 23:14:38 -0500 From: steve Subject: ecto anime? Pioneer will be doing a US release of the 13 episode Haibane-Renmei, which I think might be to the taste of some Ectophiles. The original concept is by Yoshitoshi Abe, notable/notorious for Serial Experiments Lain. http://www.animeprojects.com/haibanerenmei/ More to the point, Pioneer will also be releasing the soundtrack album, which features ambient house group Heart Of Air on some tracks. http://www.other-space.com/old_home/music/free_bird.mp3 http://www.other-space.com/old_home/music/blue_flow.mp3 - - Steve ------------------------------ End of ecto-digest V9 #128 **************************