From: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org (ecto-digest) To: ecto-digest@smoe.org Subject: ecto-digest V9 #111 Reply-To: ecto@smoe.org Sender: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk ecto-digest Monday, April 21 2003 Volume 09 : Number 111 Today's Subjects: ----------------- CDisintegration? ["Mitchell A. Pravatiner" ] Re: CDisintegration? [Greg Bossert ] Re: CDisintegration? [Neal Copperman ] Re: CDisintegration? [Greg Bossert ] RE: Fwd: [9thWave] Prosper Falls [Phillip Hudson ] FW: Fwd: [9thWave] Prosper Falls [Phillip Hudson ] Re: Unlistenable singers (victoria williams) ["JoAnn Whetsell" ] Re: won't someone stand up for M2OH? ["Peter Clark" ] OT: Curiously golden (was Re: CDisintegration?) [Philip David Morgan ] Re: OT: Curiously golden (was Re: CDisintegration?) [Andrew Fries ] Re: OT: Curiously golden (was Re: CDisintegration?) [Paul Blair ] merrie amsterburg alert [meredith ] RE: Name this song? [Neal Copperman ] Re: won't someone stand up for bawb? [Neal Copperman ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2003 01:02:10 -0500 (CDT) From: "Mitchell A. Pravatiner" Subject: CDisintegration? Just now on _Blues Before Sunrise_, Steve Cushing noted that he has found that CD's he burned as little as a year ago have now become unplayable, because unlike commercially produced cd's encased in plastic, burned cd's deteriorate over time. Anyone have any thoughts? Mitch ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2003 00:32:48 -0700 From: Greg Bossert Subject: Re: CDisintegration? On Saturday, Apr 19, 2003, at 23:02 US/Pacific, Mitchell A. Pravatiner wrote: > Just now on _Blues Before Sunrise_, Steve Cushing noted that he has > found > that CD's he burned as little as a year ago have now become unplayable, > because unlike commercially produced cd's encased in plastic, burned > cd's > deteriorate over time. in general, this is true. CD-RWs are the most prone to decay, with lifespans probably in the 5-20 year range. CD-Rs (which are what most people think of as "burned" CDs) probably range from 10-30 years for the blue/green ones to 20-100 for the gold ones. Current mass-produced CDs probably will last 100 years or more, though some of the older ones are already decaying -- the methods for keeping the layers glued together have gotten much better since the format was introduced. note that these lifespans are pretty vague estimates at this point, and that CDs are probably about as reliable as any other medium, if properly handled. keeping CD-R in a cool, dry, dark place helps. dark is the major factor here -- avoid leaving them in direct sunlight, as the UV light will definitely cause damage, as will heat. the type and quality of the CD-R do make a difference. opinions on brands vary, but it is safe to say that it is safest to avoid the very cheap and very expensive extremes, and that in general the more recently produced gold ones are likely to last longer than others. but you might be better off making two copies on cheaper discs, and storing one away someplace safe. of course, the greatest dangers to CDs are scratches, dirt and goop, and being left on the car dashboard. even the most expensive commercially pressed CD is actually pretty fragile. and the only real solution to preserving something valuable to you (as a librarian or archivist will tell you) is to save a copy or two away, and to occasionally duplicate the data onto a fresh disc. the nice thing about most digital data formats is that a copy can actually be better than the original (since redundancy and error correction can catch minor bit rot). making a copy for day to day listening on a hard disk, as an mp3 or some such, is another good strategy. mind you, this is another reason why it is important to preserve our rights to make copies for personal use of material we have purchased (or created ourselves). selfish, short-sighted, but very effective people are taking these rights away from us, and frankly, while a lot of people comment on the issue, the statistics show that very few people are really acting on this matter. (it's not just a u.s.a. matter, either -- check the blank media fees in supposedly more responsible countries like canada and germany...) i've already got some CDs that i really doubt i will ever find for sale again, and i will be /mightily/ pissed if my computers and CD drives try to prevent me from copying them onto the blank discs for which i already paid a "copying tax". well, y'all have heard this before, and i doubt i am going to spur any new action, but, hey, i found that writing my congressional folks and signing up for EFF newsletters and such really wasn't much of a burden... - -g n.w. "A Mighty Wind" Christopher Guest and Eugene Levy -- just got back from this, and liked it a lot. not much of a surprise, if you have seen the other films from these folks, and have heard the premise, but as usual it is dead on accurate and pretty consistently funny. note that the Folksmen are in fact Spinal Tap. - -- "i've never been afraid to change the circumstances of the world" - -- Happy Rhodes - -- "except for bunnies..." - -- Anya ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2003 02:10:53 -0600 From: Neal Copperman Subject: Re: CDisintegration? At 12:32 AM -0700 4/20/03, Greg Bossert wrote: >the methods for keeping the layers glued together have gotten much >better since the format was introduced. Everything Greg says mirrors what I've heard in other places. I'm curious what this is about though, as I'm pretty sure there aren't any adhesives in a CD. There are in DVD's, which are made in halves and bonded together. But, as I understand it, CD's are built up one layer at a time and I'm pretty sure none of them are bonded. neal ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2003 02:55:23 -0700 From: Greg Bossert Subject: Re: CDisintegration? On Sunday, Apr 20, 2003, at 01:10 US/Pacific, Neal Copperman wrote: > At 12:32 AM -0700 4/20/03, Greg Bossert wrote: > >> the methods for keeping the layers glued together have gotten much >> better since the format was introduced. > > Everything Greg says mirrors what I've heard in other places. I'm > curious what this is about though, as I'm pretty sure there aren't any > adhesives in a CD. There are in DVD's, which are made in halves and > bonded together. But, as I understand it, CD's are built up one layer > at a time and I'm pretty sure none of them are bonded. actually, i was echoing an old inaccuracy, and i will probably now compound that, but if i start googling then i will get distracted and i'm supposed to be working. at 2:30am saturday night/sunday morning, mind you. on a holiday weekend. sigh. but yeah, actually, i think the "layers coming unglued" story was a popular interpretation of the real problem, which was oxidation of the aluminum substrate -- which is probably due to a poor manufacturing process, rather than air leaking in, as it were. which is not to say the top plastic can't be removed from the aluminum layer, at least with a microwave and a hammer :) regardless, this is not an issue these days -- the problem with CD-Rs is the degradation of the dyes, due to UV or just plain old (very slow) chemistry. i'm pretty sure that my vague lifespan numbers, erm, vaguely correspond to the official estimates. which is to say, i'll be concerned any precious CD-Rs in about a decade, and my most beloved CDs are backed up on hard disk already, cuz, hey, disk is cheap these days. - -g p.s. so, here i am working upstairs for a change, so i turned on the TV. anyone else fascinated by VH1C? particularly the late night request show -- i just saw "This Woman's Work" and caught the Pixies the other night... i really ought to swamp their email with requests for odd ecto stuff. hmm, anyone have a list of ectoid videos? (i'd probably start with the Muses and Belly, since i still kick myself for not downloading them when i could...) KaTe and Tori and Sarah M. and such are too easy -- there must be some good obscure stuff. hmm, didn't Tribe do a video or two? think think... (also, re these videos: man, the early eighties were wacky...) - -- "i've never been afraid to change the circumstances of the world" - -- Happy Rhodes - -- "except for bunnies..." - -- Anya ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2003 03:55:07 -0700 From: Phillip Hudson Subject: RE: Fwd: [9thWave] Prosper Falls To my mind, the vocalist doesn't 'sound like Happy' so much as having a vocal sound similar to just one of the many facets of HR's voice. On the samples I heard the voxtress did not depart from this sound, nor did she display any real power or range. OK songs, pretty nice voice, she's just not my Auntie. Phil - -----Original Message----- From: owner-ecto@smoe.org [mailto:owner-ecto@smoe.org]On Behalf Of Neile Graham Sent: Saturday, April 19, 2003 2:56 PM To: ecto@smoe.org Subject: Re: Fwd: [9thWave] Prosper Falls I gave the samples a listen. The vocals definitely have a Happy-like tone at time. The songwriting wasn't so interesting to me, though. - --Neile At 3:18 PM -0400 4/19/03, noam tchotchke wrote: >potentially of interest...i haven't had a chance to visit their >mp3.com page but thought i'd forward it along anyway. > >woj > >>To: 9thWave@yahoogroups.com >>From: "Phenomenamantha" >>Delivered-To: mailing list 9thWave@yahoogroups.com >>Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2003 03:56:09 -0000 >>Subject: [9thWave] Prosper Falls >>Reply-To: 9thWave@yahoogroups.com >> >>I know there are quite a few Happy Rhodes fans on this list, so I >>thought I'd post about a trip hop band called Prosper Falls that I >>just "discovered," whose lead singer sounds so much like Happy >>Rhodes sometimes, that I've had to double-take on several occasions. >> >>The singing and music both remind me a lot of several songs on >>Rhodesongs >> >>The CD I have gives the following link: >> >>http://www.mp3.com/prosperfalls/ - -- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Neile Graham .... neile@sff.net/@drizzle.com ... www.sff.net/people/neile Les Semaines: A Weekly Journal ........ www.sff.net/people/neile/semaines The Ectophiles' Guide to Good Music ....................www.ectoguide.org Co-Administrator, Clarion West ...................... www.clarionwest.org ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2003 04:12:29 -0700 From: Phillip Hudson Subject: FW: Fwd: [9thWave] Prosper Falls .. nor did she display any real power or range. This sounds far less charitable than I intended; I'm not sure what I wanted to say here, but I think I meant I was expecting the kind of power and range one gets from a quick burst of Many Worlds, and I didn't get it from what I heard. phil ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2003 11:38:22 -0400 From: "JoAnn Whetsell" Subject: Re: Unlistenable singers (victoria williams) John Higdon wrote: in response to "I'm sorry to say that perennial ecto-fave Victoria Williams is on that list for me, too." > > Yeah, I know what you mean. I bought, er, Happy Come Home and Swing the Statue (if memory serves me on the titles) a long way back, on the strength of Ecto recommendations and the Sweet Relief tribute album. I listened to 'em a couple times, haven't tried again in some time. I just couldn't stand her own versions of her songs. They tended to sound way overproduced to me, but mostly, it was that I couldn't stand her voice. (Which is saying something, since I usually am known to have a predilection for squeaky-voiced female singers.) I'm not surprised. These are the albums I would definitely recommend people *not* start with. Her voice is really an acquired taste, but particularly on these early albums when it is really squeaky. I bought "Swing the Statue," sold it back, and would never have become a fan if I hadn't heard "Musings of a Creekdipper" playing in a music store in the Pittsburgh airport. I really couldn't believe it was the same woman. Her voice is *much* mellower on that album, and I think it's a brilliant album and much better starting place. Of course I subsequently rebought "Swing the Statue" and got "Happy Come Home," both of which I like but don't listen to nearly as much as "Musings..." or "Loose," an equally brilliant (if not more so) album. JoAnn - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ MSN 8 helps ELIMINATE E-MAIL VIRUSES. Get 2 months FREE*. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2003 13:19:55 -0400 (EDT) From: dmw Subject: won't someone stand up for bawb? About two or three years ago, i was in a bar with Mike and Jamie, two old friends, one of whom lives in germany these days. we were talking about dylan and his singing skill, and i parotted the receiveed wisdom that he was a hell of a writer, but couldn't sing (which honestly, hadn't been challenged much by the smattering of dylan singing his own songs that i'd heard on the radio). They looked at me like i was from another planet. They started firing questions at me about dylan's singing on various compositions, and i had to admit I hadn't heard of them. Tinally, i think it was Jamie who fixed me with a menacing stare, and asked me just which Dylan albums I owned. "Um, none," I said sheepishly. They conferred briefly. It was Mike who said, and I'm only paraphrasing slightly here, that "If you don't go out tomorrow and buy, at a minimum, "Highway 61 Revisited," "Nashville Skyline," and "Bringing it all Back Home," I'll shoot you in the head." I think Mike hates guns about as much as I do, so I knew he wasn't really threatening me, but I also knew he was pretty serious. So I did. If you think you hate Dylan's voice and you've never heard one of his classic records all the way through ("Blonde on Blonde" and "John Wesley Harding" are also damned fine albums) I urge you to check one of them out of your local library. Contrary to received wisdom he actually *can* sing notes, and sometimes does, and I would argue that his voice is at least as well suited to his songs as many of his interpreters with more trained voices. You might still hate his voice, but I found it a revelation to hear his songs in the context he originally wanted them heard in. On his most recent record, "Love and Theft", I think his resemblance to Tom Waits approaches the uncanny, for whatever that's worth. - -- d. [singers whose voices i can't stand: everyone who "learned" how by copying eddie vedder; all the castrato hair metal crew (most especially the balladeers); all the post-lillith wannabees who blindly ape the breathiness of t. amos' delivery; and whoever sang for pure prairie league)] np bawb nashville skyline ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2003 10:30:23 -0700 From: "Peter Clark" Subject: Re: won't someone stand up for M2OH? I delurk to protest someone's negativity about Mary Margaret O'Hara's voice and delivery last week. Those were strong words, considering that until last year she had put out precisely one full length album. You need to be crafty and persistent to find her other work. This is hardly an overexposure that sets one's teeth on edge. Lighten up and let those of us who enjoy her music do so without carping. Peter C - -=High Performance Analogue for the 21st Century=- www.redpoint-audio-design.com - ----- Original Message ----- From: "dmw" To: Sent: Sunday, April 20, 2003 10:19 AM Subject: won't someone stand up for bawb? ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2003 16:10:25 -0400 From: Philip David Morgan Subject: OT: Curiously golden (was Re: CDisintegration?) Hello, Greg et. al.: Yesterday, Mitchell related a Steve Cushing account of some roasted CD-Rs having deteriorated into uselessness, and: > in general, this is true. CD-RWs are the most prone to decay, with > lifespans probably in the 5-20 year range. CD-Rs (which are what most > people think of as "burned" CDs) probably range from 10-30 years for > the blue/green ones to 20-100 for the gold ones.... Opinions on brands > vary, but it is safe to say that it is safest to avoid the very cheap and > very expensive extremes, and that in general the more recently produced > gold ones are likely to last longer than others. but you might be better off > making two copies on cheaper discs, and storing one away someplace safe. As someone who once planned to publish local music on CD-Rs, I wonder which "gold" disc brands you have had the most success with so far. I wouldn't be surprised if HHB (whose product is aimed at studio engineers and indies in general) is somewhere on that list. So maybe them... I'm also testing the AZO-dye variety (Verbatim being the best-known example, but I've also heard of one Philips line that's on shelves outside the States), and it's too early to tell how they'll hold up. But I also see the case for a nice, fat external hard disk (preferably the FireWire variety), a program like Audion, and getting comfy with the MP3 and OGG encoders. Philip David (you wouldn't believe what ideas are being juggled in my head) 2003.04.20-21 - --- The Polly Stephanson Project - la vie en sakura, shortly... http://homepage.mac.com/pollyshows/ - --- "Now go back and finish your oatmeal." ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2003 14:55:09 -0700 From: Monroe/Fisher Subject: RE: Name this song? Has anyone answered this yet? I'm weeks behind and just skimmed ecto but could not find a response. Anyway, it's Suburban Lawns. Song: Janitor "Oh my janitor, Oh my genitals. From about the time of the Waitresses and Human Sexual Response (remember "Jackie Onassis?"). I still have the 45rpm. Wayne ******************************************* Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 23:59:29 -0600 From: Neal Copperman Subject: Name this song? I've been going through some of my old tapes from college. One of them is full of all sorts of great early new wave and punk stuff. It's a blast to listen to. A half hour tape of one of my favorite radio shows is chock full of cool stuff: London Calling - The Clash Neil Armstrong - Angst old New Order Breathless - X But there is one song that I have no idea what it is. It sounds like it could be Nena Hagen or Lene Lovitch or someone suitably odd like that. Notable lines include: "underwater does it matter antimatter nuclear reactor boom boom boom boom" And the chorus sounds like she keeps singing "Oh my genitals, Oh my genitals, Oh my genitals" :) Any insights? neal ------------------------------ Date: 21 Apr 2003 08:42:07 +1000 From: Andrew Fries Subject: Re: OT: Curiously golden (was Re: CDisintegration?) On Mon, 2003-04-21 at 06:10, Philip David Morgan wrote: > But I also see the case for a nice, fat external hard disk (preferably the > FireWire variety), a program like Audion, and getting comfy with the MP3 and > OGG encoders. Yep. I recently finished converting all my CDs to .ogg files - my collection takes just over 30Gb of disk space. I have a copy on both my machines. I'm in the process of backing up all these oggs on CR-Rs... but I'm still not happy. The problem is, of course, ogg uses lossy compression algorithms, just like mp3 - and I really would like to make perfect 1:1 copies. Disk space is getting cheaper and disk capacities are going up and up, so hopefully I will be able to afford a disk massive enough to hold uncompressed files before my CDs fall to pieces! And speaking of loseless compression, there is another standard floating around, called FLAC (Free Lossless Audio Codec) that might be a bit rough at the moment, but looks promising. Especially now that they joined the Xiph project. (Xiph are the people responsible for Ogg Vorbis). If you're interested you can find FLAC on sourceforge, or linked from xiph.org - --------------------------------------------------------------------- "I have always tried to live in an ivory tower, but a tide of shit is beating at its walls, threatening to undermine it." -- Gustave Flaubert - -- 08:27:28 up 2 days, 16:33, 2 users, load average: 0.05, 0.02, 0.00-- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2003 18:45:51 -0400 From: "Dave Williamson" Subject: Young and Dylan Voices I once heard someone remark that Bob and Neil couldn't sing, but that they were great singers. I couldn't have said it better myself. Regards, Dave. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2003 19:12:39 -0400 From: Paul Blair Subject: Re: OT: Curiously golden (was Re: CDisintegration?) At 8:42 +1000 4/21/03, Andrew Fries wrote: >And speaking of loseless compression, there is another standard floating >around, called FLAC (Free Lossless Audio Codec) Uh... what audio codec is that? [cut to shot of white duck...] (See if I get this one to ecto before Joe does...) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2003 21:35:31 -0400 From: meredith Subject: Re: Now, whose voice can't you stand? Hi, Catching up on some overdue responses in this thread: Greg footahed: >and Snipe, erm, Stipe, well, he is an old art student type, after all, but >if you put his approach into the context of the southern gothic sort of >thing (which is much more evident in REMs early days), it makes sense... Listen to REM's first three albums, and compare Stipe's delivery to latter-day REM -- it doesn't sound like the same guy. Personally I prefer Stipe's singing on those early albums (particularly on my favorite, _Fables Of The Reconstruction_, which was my introduction to the band and always brings back fond memories of 9th grade :). His voice back then was deeper, more nuanced, and not whiny at all. >so to speak. dearly as i love Peter Gabriel's work, and deeply as i >respect what he has done with the Real World label and studio, he does >want you to know that he is an Artist, whereas i think Phil Collins just >likes what he does, and is therefore less likely to be taken Seriously. I agree. When you see an interview with Peter Gabriel, he's *very* serious, but then every time I've seen Phil Collins on the Tonight Show or another late-night show he's been an absolute self-deprecating hoot (I remember one time he responded to something Johnny Carson said with, "Well, what do you expect from a bald, fat drummer?!" :). I don't think Collins cares about being taken Seriously at all. John Zimmer added: >A couple of excellent recordings that show >off those songs to wonderful effect are Jennifer Warnes' _Famous Blue >Raincoat_ (all Leonard Cohen songs) and Holly Cole's _Temptation_ >(Tom Waits songs). Jennifer Warnes' _Famous Blue Raincoat_ is indeed great. (It's been AGES since I listened to it ... I should dig it out.) But IMHO the definitive cover of the song "Famous Blue Raincoat" was done by Tori. It's chilling. (She also did the definitive cover of Joni Mitchell's "A Case Of You", in my mind. Something about Tori and covers. ) Lisa opined: >Marianne Faithfull? Patti Smith? I don't mind Marianne Faithfull's voice. It sounds just like you'd expect someone who'd been through what she has to sound. And Patti Smith's voice fits her material perfectly. I never minded it at all. dmw exhorted: >If you think you hate Dylan's voice and you've never heard one of his >classic records all the way through ("Blonde on Blonde" and "John Wesley >Harding" are also damned fine albums) I urge you to check one of them out >of your local library. I will admit that you (and your friends) do have a point. Bob Dylan's voice has steadily become more and more of a caricature of itself over the years. Though even in his youngest days he never would have won a vocal competition, his early stuff is a hell of a lot more listenable than anything he's done in the last 20 years or so. Not that I particularly like to listen to any of it, mind you ... but his early material is a lot easier for me to take, especially since I've taken to listening to WUMB's online stream at work lately. Peter C protested: >I delurk to protest someone's negativity about Mary Margaret O'Hara's voice >and delivery last week. Those were strong words, considering that until >last year she had put out precisely one full length album. You need to be >crafty and persistent to find her other work. This is hardly an >overexposure that sets one's teeth on edge. Lighten up and let those of us >who enjoy her music do so without carping. Um, I would humbly suggest that Lisa's not the one who needs to lighten up. Her exact words were that MMOH falls under the category of "Singers whose voices I don't mind that much but their singing style drives me nuts". Nothing at all about overexposure. And it certainly wasn't carping. Carping would be something along the lines of "Mary Margaret O'Hara sucks, how could anyone possibly listen to her, you all are idiots for liking her". It's just an opinion. Personally I adore MMOH's voice and singing style, but I certainly respect Lisa's right to have her differing take on it. =============================================== Meredith Tarr New Haven, CT USA mailto:meth@smoe.org http://www.smoe.org/meth =============================================== Live At The House O'Muzak House Concert Series http://muzak.smoe.org NEXT UP: Ruthie Foster, 4/27 =============================================== ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2003 21:45:30 -0400 From: meredith Subject: merrie amsterburg alert Hi, Merrie Amsterburg is going to be live in the studio of WUMB in Boston this coming Wednesday, April 23 at 6 pm Eastern time. She will do an interview and perform live. WUMB is at 91.9 FM in the Boston area, and they stream online at (warning: they use Live365, so you have to go through some annoying rigmarole to even get to the stream, but you can get there eventually). =============================================== Meredith Tarr New Haven, CT USA mailto:meth@smoe.org http://www.smoe.org/meth =============================================== Live At The House O'Muzak House Concert Series http://muzak.smoe.org NEXT UP: Ruthie Foster, 4/27 =============================================== ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2003 22:02:13 -0600 From: Neal Copperman Subject: RE: Name this song? Wow, thank you SO much Wayne! I had given up on getting an answer to that. I think it would have been the first time that ecto had failed me. Guess I shouldn't let my faith wain. I've actually never heard of, or anything about, Suburban Lawns. Should I go buy something? (Is there something to buy?) Or should I be happy with my old, meciocre cassetter recording of that song (which actually seems like a perfect way to listen to it)? Thanks again! neal np: The View From Here - Suzanne Buirgy At 2:55 PM -0700 4/20/03, Monroe/Fisher wrote: >Has anyone answered this yet? I'm weeks behind and just skimmed ecto >but could not find a response. > >Anyway, it's Suburban Lawns. >Song: Janitor > >"Oh my janitor, Oh my genitals. > >From about the time of the Waitresses and Human Sexual Response >(remember "Jackie Onassis?"). >I still have the 45rpm. > >Wayne > >******************************************* >Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 23:59:29 -0600 >From: Neal Copperman >Subject: Name this song? >I've been going through some of my old tapes from college. One of >them is full of all sorts of great early new wave and punk stuff. >It's a blast to listen to. A half hour tape of one of my favorite >radio shows is chock full of cool stuff: >London Calling - The Clash >Neil Armstrong - Angst >old New Order >Breathless - X >But there is one song that I have no idea what it is. It sounds like >it could be Nena Hagen or Lene Lovitch or someone suitably odd like >that. >Notable lines include: >"underwater >does it matter >antimatter >nuclear reactor >boom boom boom boom" >And the chorus sounds like she keeps singing >"Oh my genitals, Oh my genitals, Oh my genitals" :) >Any insights? >neal ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2003 22:26:14 -0600 From: Neal Copperman Subject: Re: won't someone stand up for bawb? At 1:19 PM -0400 4/20/03, dmw wrote: >It was Mike who said, and I'm only paraphrasing slightly here, that "If >you don't go out tomorrow and buy, at a minimum, "Highway 61 Revisited," >"Nashville Skyline," and "Bringing it all Back Home," I'll shoot you in >the head." I'm perfectly happy with people not liking Dylan. My experience was sort of like Doug's though. I hated Dylan through high school and college. He was in his Christian phase, and listening to him mumble his way through "Gotta Serve Somebody" was completely unbearable for me. I had one of those Dylan slagging conversations and was told more or less the same thing. At the end, my friend lent me a copy of "Bring It All Back Home" (which I think was released the year I was born). It was a revelation. The singing is sharp and cutting, and the songs were amazing. It was a completely different view of Dylan then I'd had before. I'm not a big Dylan fan, but I now own a few CD's and enjoy listening to them. Oddly enough, in an EBay order that arrived a few days ago there was a copy of "Blonde on Blonde". I haven't listened to it yet, but the track list almost looks like a greatest hits album. neal ------------------------------ End of ecto-digest V9 #111 **************************