From: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org (ecto-digest) To: ecto-digest@smoe.org Subject: ecto-digest V9 #106 Reply-To: ecto@smoe.org Sender: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk ecto-digest Wednesday, April 16 2003 Volume 09 : Number 106 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Name this song? [Neal Copperman ] Today's your birthday, friend... [Mike Matthews ] Ashley Maher@ Santa Monica Farmer's Market 4/20 [Anthony Kosky ] RE: gabriel yacoub's US TOUR [Neile Graham ] Name this song II ["Phillip Hudson" ] RE: gabriel yacoub's US TOUR ["Phillip Hudson" ] Re: Name this song II ["Brian Bloom" ] Re: Name this song II [Cheri Villines ] RE: Name this song II ["Mattoon, Melanie" ] RE: Name this song II: Now, whose voice can't you stand? ["Phillip Hudson] RE: Name this song II ["Collected Sounds" ] RE: Name this song II: Now, whose voice can't you stand? [Sue Trowbridge ] Sniping at Stipe [Robert Lovejoy ] Re: Name this song II ["Michael Colford" ] RE: Name this song II: Now, whose voice can't you stand? ["neal copperman] Now, whose voice can't you stand? [AzeemAK@aol.com] RE: Name this song II: Now, whose voice can't you stand? ["Phillip Hudson] Re: Now, whose voice can't you stand? [Nadyne Mielke ] RE: Name this song II [meredith ] RE: Name this song II: Now, whose voice can't you stand? [meredith ] Re: Bill's Trivia Question (WAS: RE: Now, whose voice can't you stand?) [] Re: Bill's Trivia Question (WAS: RE: Now, whose voice can't you stand?) [] Re: Now, whose voice can't you stand? ["jzitt@metatronpress.com" Subject: Name this song? I've been going through some of my old tapes from college. One of them is full of all sorts of great early new wave and punk stuff. It's a blast to listen to. A half hour tape of one of my favorite radio shows is chock full of cool stuff: London Calling - The Clash Neil Armstrong - Angst old New Order Breathless - X But there is one song that I have no idea what it is. It sounds like it could be Nena Hagen or Lene Lovitch or someone suitably odd like that. Notable lines include: "underwater does it matter antimatter nuclear reactor boom boom boom boom" And the chorus sounds like she keeps singing "Oh my genitals, Oh my genitals, Oh my genitals" :) Any insights? neal np: whatever that song is ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 03:00:03 -0400 (EDT) From: Mike Matthews Subject: Today's your birthday, friend... i*i*i*i*i*i i*i*i*i*i*i *************** *****HAPPY********* **************BIRTHDAY********* *************************************************** *************************************************************************** ***************** Jeff Hanson (jjhanson@worldnet.att.net) ***************** *************************************************************************** -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- - -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Jeff Hanson Sat April 16 1966 Aries Michael Klouda Mon April 17 1967 Aries Harry Foster Sat April 21 1956 NiceGuy Kjetil Torgrim Homme Thu April 23 1970 Taurus Jeff Burka Thu April 24 1969 GoFlyAKite Christine Waite Tue April 25 1972 Taurus Matt Adams Thu April 26 1962 Taurus Brad Hutchinson Tue April 28 1964 What sign? Geoff Parks Sun April 30 1961 Taurus Marty Lash Sat May 01 1948 Taurus Barney Parker Fri May 02 1986 happy cat Gray Abbott Tue May 03 1955 Suprised Tamar Boursalian Tue May 03 1966 Taurus Richard A. Holmes May 07 Taurus Steve Ito Fri May 08 1970 DA Bull... Brian Gregory Thu May 09 1963 Eclectic Heidi Maier Wed May 10 1978 Taurus Patrick Varker Wed May 12 1954 Torius Philip David Morgan Sat May 12 1962 Chinese Tiger in Bull Clothing Steve Fagg Tue May 13 1958 Nightwol Karel Zuiderveld Fri May 13 1960 Stier Michael Colford Wed May 16 1962 Taurus - -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 08:21:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Anthony Kosky Subject: Ashley Maher@ Santa Monica Farmer's Market 4/20 I'm forwarding this from Ashley. - -Anthony - ----------------------------------------------- Dear Everyone! I hope you are all finding ways to feel peaceful and positive in these not-very-peaceful, nor positive-feeling times. I will be performing on 4/20 (Easter Sunday) at the Santa Monica Farmer's Market with a wonderful band of musicians. It'll be an easy-going affair.....come along, hang out on the grass with the kids, a drink, and/or an omelette, and enjoy the springtime groove. Sunday, April 20 10am - 1pm The Santa Monica Farmer's Market at the intersection of Main Street and Ocean Park in Santa Monica !!!!!!FREE!!!!!! The band: Andre Manga: incredible bassist from Cameroon Jason Hann: global groove master on drums Roberto Montero: honey-sweet guitarist from Brazil Lambert Moss: radiant soprano from New York Eva Primak: new addition: gorgeous alto earth goddess See you there! Love, Ashley ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 12:07:51 -0700 From: "Phillip Hudson" Subject: RE: gabriel yacoub's US TOUR Thanks Neile, is there a URL with his info? I couldn't find much with a quick Google search. Cheers Phil - -----Original Message----- From: owner-ecto@smoe.org [mailto:owner-ecto@smoe.org]On Behalf Of Neile Graham Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2003 10:06 PM To: Ecto Subject: Fwd: gabriel yacoub's US TOUR ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 12:35:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Neile Graham Subject: RE: gabriel yacoub's US TOUR The Ectophiles' Guide entry for him: http://www.ectoguide.org/guide.cgi?artists/yacoub.gabriel His website: http://www.gabrielyacoub.com/ CD Roots page for him, which has some real audio samples when you click on the albums (for his current style, click on his solo albums rather than the Malicorne albums): http://www.cdroots.com/elf.shtml _Quatre_ especially knocks me out: http://www.cdroots.com/elf-quatre.html _:yacoub:_ is the most current, bar his U.S. release, _The Simple Things We Said_ Hope this helps! - --Neile On Tue, 15 Apr 2003, Phillip Hudson wrote: > Thanks Neile, is there a URL with his info? > I couldn't find much with a quick Google search. > > Cheers > Phil > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-ecto@smoe.org [mailto:owner-ecto@smoe.org]On Behalf Of Neile > Graham > Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2003 10:06 PM > To: Ecto > Subject: Fwd: gabriel yacoub's US TOUR > - -- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- neile@drizzle.com / neile@sff.net......http://www.sff.net/people/neile The Ectophiles' Guide to Good Music ......... http://www.ectoguide.org ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 12:52:17 -0700 From: "Phillip Hudson" Subject: Name this song II I saw an interesting video recently with yet another male band doing the usual Creed-style wall-o'fuzz-guitar/body-slam-bass thing, but they also had a female singer. The video had to do with said female, dark-haired and dressed in bedly white, dreaming of falling, scaling the outside walls of the apartment building to where the band was playing, all the while singing (with surprising force, given the athletic nature of her activities ;) She finally slips from the fingers of the male voxer and falls, either to her death, or to wakefulness. An unintentionally funny scene followed as the surviving band members tried to emote their shock at her fall (they all tend to look as if they are reacting to a spilled beer on the studio carpet). The only lyric line I recall was something on the lines of 'Save me from the nothing I have become" ( Yes, it was all just a teeny bit *serious* :). The overall song sounded pretty good though; both singers had good and somewhat distinctive voices and the band satisfied my now-occasional needs for testosterone-fed guitar arrangements. Anyone out there know who this is? Thanks Phil np: The Big F about as non-Ecto as one can possibly get without being thrown off the list ;) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 12:52:21 -0700 From: "Phillip Hudson" Subject: RE: gabriel yacoub's US TOUR Ah, thanks, especially for the album recommends. I also now realize search engines work better when provided with the correct spelling :) Pihl Hudosn - -----Original Message----- From: Neile Graham [mailto:neile@drizzle.com] Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2003 12:36 PM To: Phillip Hudson Cc: ecto@smoe.org Subject: RE: gabriel yacoub's US TOUR ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 13:04:30 -0700 (PDT) From: "Brian Bloom" Subject: Re: Name this song II I didn't look deep into it, but Google turns up lots of hits: http://www.google.com/search?q=%22save%20me%20from%20the%20nothing%22&hl=en&safe=off > I saw an interesting video recently with yet another male band doing the > usual Creed-style wall-o'fuzz-guitar/body-slam-bass thing, but they also > had a female singer. The video had to do with said female, dark-haired > and dressed in bedly white, dreaming of falling, scaling the outside > walls of the apartment building to where the band was playing, all the > while singing (with surprising force, given the athletic nature of her > activities ;) She finally slips from the fingers of the male voxer and > falls, either to her death, or to wakefulness. An unintentionally funny > scene followed as the surviving band members tried to emote their shock > at her fall (they all tend to look as if they are reacting to a spilled > beer on the studio carpet). > > The only lyric line I recall was something on the lines of 'Save me from > the nothing I have become" ( Yes, it was all just a teeny bit *serious* > :). The overall song sounded pretty good though; both singers had good > and somewhat distinctive voices and the band satisfied my now-occasional > needs for testosterone-fed guitar arrangements. > > Anyone out there know who this is? > > Thanks > > Phil > > np: The Big F > about as non-Ecto as one can possibly get without being thrown off the > list ;) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 15:04:17 -0500 (CDT) From: Cheri Villines Subject: Re: Name this song II The band is Evanescence...I may have the spelling wrong. The song is off the album Fallen and is also on the Daredevil movie soundtrack. The actual song title escapes me at the moment, sorry. Cheri ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 15:08:33 -0500 From: "Mattoon, Melanie" Subject: RE: Name this song II I left out the name of the song. It's "Bring Me To Life". - -----Original Message----- From: Cheri Villines [mailto:cvilline@uark.edu] Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2003 3:04 PM To: Phillip Hudson Cc: ecto@smoe.org Subject: Re: Name this song II The band is Evanescence...I may have the spelling wrong. The song is off the album Fallen and is also on the Daredevil movie soundtrack. The actual song title escapes me at the moment, sorry. Cheri ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 20:07:42 +0000 From: carnivore@att.net Subject: Re: Name this song II Evanescence - Bring Me to Life. Sounds like Linkin Park with a female singer. Christian band, just like Creed by the way. Dan > I saw an interesting video recently with yet another male band doing the > usual Creed-style wall-o'fuzz-guitar/body-slam-bass thing, but they also had > a female singer. The video had to do with said female, dark-haired and > dressed in bedly white, dreaming of falling, scaling the outside walls of > the apartment building to where the band was playing, all the while singing > (with surprising force, given the athletic nature of her activities ;) She > finally slips from the fingers of the male voxer and falls, either to her > death, or to wakefulness. An unintentionally funny scene followed as the > surviving band members tried to emote their shock at her fall (they all tend > to look as if they are reacting to a spilled beer on the studio carpet). > > The only lyric line I recall was something on the lines of 'Save me from the > nothing I have become" ( Yes, it was all just a teeny bit *serious* :). > The overall song sounded pretty good though; both singers had good and > somewhat distinctive voices and the band satisfied my now-occasional needs > for testosterone-fed guitar arrangements. > > Anyone out there know who this is? > > Thanks > > Phil > > np: The Big F > about as non-Ecto as one can possibly get without being thrown off the list > ;) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 20:19:47 +0000 From: carnivore@att.net Subject: RE: Name this song II And now we have learned two things: - - There is a small delay before your post shows up on Ecto. - - People on this list secretly watch MTV and listen to rock radio after all. ;) Dan ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 13:58:38 -0700 From: "Phillip Hudson" Subject: RE: Name this song II carnivore@att.net And now we have learned two things: - - There is a small delay before your post shows up on Ecto. - - People on this list secretly watch MTV and listen to rock radio after all. No, No, I was channel surfing, I swear:) And yes, there appears a delay, (probably PacBell using their old 1950's equipment again) Also I get every single post twice, although I'm pretty sure I'm not double-registered. Anyone know why? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 14:18:06 -0700 From: "Phillip Hudson" Subject: RE: Name this song II: Now, whose voice can't you stand? Thanks everyone. I also did not know Creed was a Christian band, the reason for which (quick segue;) brings me to a topic I have been meaning to throw out to the list: I don't much like the sound of the singer's voice ( besides a few other things). There are some singers out there who have written great songs, but I simply cannot get past their voices. The two that most come to mind are the great Neil Young, the majority of whose songs are lovely, masterful works, and Michael Snipe, with whom I really have the toughest time of all. I think the commonality is the whining in various pitches: Neil often sounds just like SNL's Church Lady (and even Dana Carvey noted that the two have never been seen together), and Michael's droning, nasal voice, while not as squawky as Young's has a similar 'nails-on-a-chalkboard" effect on me. They also both tend to over-pronounce certain words, for example; "Gurrrll", which somehow inexplicably offends my sensibilities. I also dislike the " sensitive-soul-crushed-by-a-cruel-world" persona that I perceive around Michael, but that may well be just my superficial take; I really try and tune him out when I hear REM on the radio, so I'm not paying too much attention to the lyrics. I just want to bounce a Nerf Ball off his head every time I hear " Night Swimming". Sorry Michael. (You too, Geddy Lee!) Who else knows of artists, good or otherwise, whose voices they really can't get to like ?? Phil, who also disliked Mick Jagger when he first saw the Stones on TV. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 16:05:45 -0500 From: "Collected Sounds" Subject: RE: Name this song II Phil said: > Also I get every single post twice, although I'm pretty sure I'm not > double-registered. > Anyone know why? I do too! Only, just sometimes!! I swear I'm not doing anything different. Just sometimes there are two of everything and sometimes not. Then just to be funny, my system sometimes gives me two but it throws one of them directly into the deleted items folder. How ya like that? ~~Amy Producer - www.collectedsounds.com A Guide to Women in Music > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-ecto@smoe.org [mailto:owner-ecto@smoe.org]On Behalf Of > Phillip Hudson > Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2003 3:59 PM > To: ecto@smoe.org > Subject: RE: Name this song II > > > carnivore@att.net > > And now we have learned two things: > > - There is a small delay before your post shows up on Ecto. > - People on this list secretly watch MTV and listen to rock > radio after all. > > > No, No, I was channel surfing, I swear:) > > And yes, there appears a delay, (probably PacBell using their > old 1950's > equipment again) > Also I get every single post twice, although I'm pretty sure I'm not > double-registered. > Anyone know why? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 17:26:31 -0400 (EDT) From: Sue Trowbridge Subject: RE: Name this song II: Now, whose voice can't you stand? On Tue, 15 Apr 2003, Phillip Hudson wrote: > Who else knows of artists, good or otherwise, whose voices they really can't > get to like ?? Tom Waits -- I know a lot of people who think he's a genius, but I canNOT stand his voice! Billy Corgan of Smashing Pumpkins/Zwan is another one I have a lot of trouble listening to without cringing. His voice has kind of a whiny quality that drives me nuts. - --Sue np: Stephen Malkmus, PIG LIB ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 17:35:01 -0400 From: Robert Lovejoy Subject: Sniping at Stipe - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Phillip Hudson" > The two that most come to mind are the great Neil Young, the majority of > whose songs are lovely, masterful works, and Michael Snipe, with whom I > really have the toughest time of all. Tee Hee! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 17:46:53 -0400 From: "Michael Colford" Subject: Re: Name this song II - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Phillip Hudson" > I also did not know Creed was a Christian band, I had meant to comment on this on the previous message, but deleted it too quickly. Evanescence actually claim not to be a Christian band. In an article in the latest Entertainment Weekly, they talk about the circumstances that led them to be considered a Christian band. They're on Wind-up Records, who also carry Creed and 12 Stones (whose lead singer guests on Evanescence's record) both Christian bands. Wind-Up has a deal for their album to be carried in Christian stores. The band says: "There are people hell-bent on the idea that we're a Christian band in disguise, and that we have some secret message. We have no spiritual affiliation with this music. It's simply about life experience." That's it. Never heard the band, just read the article. Michael C. n.r. Dreamships by Melissa Scott n.p. Alison Moyet, Hometime ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 21:57:25 -0000 From: "neal copperman" Subject: RE: Name this song II: Now, whose voice can't you stand? Phillip Hudson said: > They also both tend to over-pronounce certain words, for example; "Gurrrll", > which somehow inexplicably offends my sensibilities. What do you think of Tori? :) neal ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 18:08:52 EDT From: AzeemAK@aol.com Subject: Now, whose voice can't you stand? Hmmm, there's quite a list, not counting the obvious Mariahs and Celines: Eddie Vedder - Somebody give that man a dummy (pacifier) and a sweetie and tell him to stop moaning and screaming and generally carrying on Perry Farrell - makes me sound like my grandma: call that singing?? You can't hear the words, he's whining through his nose, I like those Beatles though... Janet Jackson - I'm sorry, but this woman simply cannot sing a note, no ifs, ands or buts And there may be many more... Azeem in London NP: Jane Siberry - Lips ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 15:12:35 -0700 From: "Phillip Hudson" Subject: RE: Name this song II: Now, whose voice can't you stand? I think she's a lovely gurrll. Exaggerated pronunciations only seem to annoy me when I don't like the performer's voice :) P - -----Original Message----- From: owner-ecto@smoe.org [mailto:owner-ecto@smoe.org]On Behalf Of neal copperman Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2003 2:57 PM To: ecto@smoe.org Subject: RE: Name this song II: Now, whose voice can't you stand? Phillip Hudson said: > They also both tend to over-pronounce certain words, for example; "Gurrrll", > which somehow inexplicably offends my sensibilities. What do you think of Tori? :) neal ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 15:20:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Nadyne Mielke Subject: Re: Now, whose voice can't you stand? Bob Dylan. The man writes phenomenal lyrics, but should not be allowed within a thousand metres of a microphone. Leonard Cohen falls into this category, too. The lead singer of Train, whoever the hell he is. I keep on hearing some bloody song of his on the radio, and it makes me grit my teeth. Ugh. The lead singers of Rush and Yes. I was subjected to entirely too much of both of 'em, because my ex loves both bands. And a kinda-sorta-maybe ... Ani DiFranco. It's not her voice, per se, but her singing style. There are several songs of hers that I like, but I can't listen to any of her albums. It's just too much Ani in one go for me. /nm {there's just no accounting for taste, is there?} ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 14:59:14 -0500 From: "Mattoon, Melanie" Subject: RE: Name this song II That would be Evanescence, the alternative band du jour. Their album "Fallen" is actually quite good, but that song is the only one with the lead singer, Amy Lee, singing with a male counterpart. They have a website www.evanescence.com if you're interested. Two of their songs are included in the "Daredevil" soundtrack and were featured in the movie as well. - -----Original Message----- From: Phillip Hudson [mailto:aiku@pacbell.net] Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2003 2:52 PM To: ecto@smoe.org Subject: Name this song II I saw an interesting video recently with yet another male band doing the usual Creed-style wall-o'fuzz-guitar/body-slam-bass thing, but they also had a female singer. The video had to do with said female, dark-haired and dressed in bedly white, dreaming of falling, scaling the outside walls of the apartment building to where the band was playing, all the while singing (with surprising force, given the athletic nature of her activities ;) She finally slips from the fingers of the male voxer and falls, either to her death, or to wakefulness. An unintentionally funny scene followed as the surviving band members tried to emote their shock at her fall (they all tend to look as if they are reacting to a spilled beer on the studio carpet). The only lyric line I recall was something on the lines of 'Save me from the nothing I have become" ( Yes, it was all just a teeny bit *serious* :). The overall song sounded pretty good though; both singers had good and somewhat distinctive voices and the band satisfied my now-occasional needs for testosterone-fed guitar arrangements. Anyone out there know who this is? Thanks Phil np: The Big F about as non-Ecto as one can possibly get without being thrown off the list ;) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 16:12:18 -0700 From: "Bill" Subject: Re: Now, whose voice can't you stand? On Wed, 16 Apr 2003 15:20:12 -0700 (PDT), Nadyne Mielke wrote: >The lead singers of Rush and Yes. I was subjected to entirely too much >of both of 'em, because my ex loves both bands. Although I am a so-called lover of Yes, particularly "classic" Yes, I will admit that Jon Anderson's voice is not what I would consider my most favorite singing voice. But, the really interesting thing (and the reason why I am bothering to write this message) is that sometime in the history of Yes Jon Anderson decided to depart, so Yes found itself another lead singer. This only lasted one album. It was a fine album in my opinion, but, in the words of Yes members (from a laserdisc documentary), the new lead singer simply "was no Jon Anderson". Here's an opportunity for extra credit: Name the Yes album where Jon Anderson did not sing, and name the lead singer. Sometimes a lead's voice may not be ones's cup of tea, yet that same voice is what constitutes a lot of the glue that brings the sound of the band together. I think that in the case of Yes this is very true. Using a lesser-known band as an example, the lead of the band Koufax can't sing to save his life; yet, his voice, alongside the nice guitar and synth sounds, is really what constitutes the Koufax sound. I suppose that the off-key voice makes the keyboards shine, or something. ;) - - Bill G. (not M or A). ;) np: Ely Guerra - Lotofire (very ectoish, check it out!) nr: AOPA magazine (finally moved those to the john) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 19:45:59 -0400 From: meredith Subject: RE: Name this song II Hi, Phil acknowledged: >And yes, there appears a delay, (probably PacBell using their old 1950's >equipment again) Actually, all of your posts have been coming through a massive time delay. It's like the system time on your PC is set for AM when it's really PM, so your posts are timestamped twelve hours earlier than they were actually sent. The net result of this, is that I see your replies before I get to the posts to which you are replying. Makes for a rather surreal ecto reading experience, let me tell you! :) >Also I get every single post twice, although I'm pretty sure I'm not >double-registered. >Anyone know why? Hmmm. I can't think of anything offhand. I'll see if woj has any ideas. =============================================== Meredith Tarr New Haven, CT USA mailto:meth@smoe.org http://www.smoe.org/meth =============================================== Live At The House O'Muzak House Concert Series http://muzak.smoe.org NEXT UP: Ruthie Foster, 4/27 =============================================== ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 19:51:52 -0400 From: meredith Subject: RE: Name this song II: Now, whose voice can't you stand? Hi, Phil posted: >There are some singers out there who have written great songs, but I simply >cannot get past their voices. Oh, yes. Tom Waits, Bob Dylan and Leonard Cohen have already been mentioned, which covers my top three. But I would also have to add latter-day Joni Mitchell (it's sad, it really is) and Patty Griffin (she just needs to STOP SCREAMING) to the list. Not to mention The Roches. They sound like a chorus of cats yowling on a fence, to me. As Nadyne said, there's no accounting for taste. :) =============================================== Meredith Tarr New Haven, CT USA mailto:meth@smoe.org http://www.smoe.org/meth =============================================== Live At The House O'Muzak House Concert Series http://muzak.smoe.org NEXT UP: Ruthie Foster, 4/27 =============================================== ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 17:23:00 -0700 From: "russvr" Subject: Re: Name this song II: Now, whose voice can't you stand? Michael Macdonald - Doobie Bros - he should be summarily shot. Phil Collins - same punishment. Stevie Nicks....well... maybe not shot but maybe a voice box transplant ? As for Geddy, his voice has mellowed over the years, almost listenable. - ----- Original Message ----- From: "meredith" To: Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2003 4:51 PM Subject: RE: Name this song II: Now, whose voice can't you stand? > Hi, > > Phil posted: > > >There are some singers out there who have written great songs, but I simply > >cannot get past their voices. > > Oh, yes. Tom Waits, Bob Dylan and Leonard Cohen have already been > mentioned, which covers my top three. But I would also have to add > latter-day Joni Mitchell (it's sad, it really is) and Patty Griffin (she > just needs to STOP SCREAMING) to the list. Not to mention The > Roches. They sound like a chorus of cats yowling on a fence, to me. > > As Nadyne said, there's no accounting for taste. :) > > > =============================================== > Meredith Tarr > New Haven, CT USA > mailto:meth@smoe.org > http://www.smoe.org/meth > =============================================== > Live At The House O'Muzak House Concert Series > http://muzak.smoe.org > NEXT UP: Ruthie Foster, 4/27 > =============================================== ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 17:29:07 -0700 From: "William Mazur" Subject: Bill's Trivia Question (WAS: RE: Now, whose voice can't you stand?) Bill G., Am I too late to play? That's too easy my friend. :-) The answer is: Trevor Horn and the album/CD is Drama. Trevor and Geoff Downes of The Buggles ("Video Killed The Radio Star") joined Yes for that one album. Trevor is a really good producer and later produced several of Yes' CDs. I believe that he was the producer for 90125 which netted Yes the hit "Owner of a Lonely Heart". I personally think that Trevor is a fine singer. He is just not Jon Anderson. Drama is a really good CD. Kind of a sleeper for them. Probably because of it being a non-Anderson CD. I really like "Into the Lens" (later became "I am a Camera" on the 2nd Buggles CD) and "Machine Messiah". OK, what do I win? ;-) I have a trivia question for you all. What CD of a famous prog rock band, which was the 3rd for this band, did Jon Anderson sing on as a guest? Hint: My n.p. gives you a clue. This one is pretty easy too. :-) Bill M. n.p. David Sylvian and Robert Fripp - The First Day - -----Original Message----- From: owner-ecto@smoe.org [mailto:owner-ecto@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Bill Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2003 4:12 PM To: Nadyne Mielke; ecto@smoe.org Subject: Re: Now, whose voice can't you stand? On Wed, 16 Apr 2003 15:20:12 -0700 (PDT), Nadyne Mielke wrote: >The lead singers of Rush and Yes. I was subjected to entirely too much >of both of 'em, because my ex loves both bands. Although I am a so-called lover of Yes, particularly "classic" Yes, I will admit that Jon Anderson's voice is not what I would consider my most favorite singing voice. But, the really interesting thing (and the reason why I am bothering to write this message) is that sometime in the history of Yes Jon Anderson decided to depart, so Yes found itself another lead singer. This only lasted one album. It was a fine album in my opinion, but, in the words of Yes members (from a laserdisc documentary), the new lead singer simply "was no Jon Anderson". Here's an opportunity for extra credit: Name the Yes album where Jon Anderson did not sing, and name the lead singer. Sometimes a lead's voice may not be ones's cup of tea, yet that same voice is what constitutes a lot of the glue that brings the sound of the band together. I think that in the case of Yes this is very true. Using a lesser-known band as an example, the lead of the band Koufax can't sing to save his life; yet, his voice, alongside the nice guitar and synth sounds, is really what constitutes the Koufax sound. I suppose that the off-key voice makes the keyboards shine, or something. ;) - - Bill G. (not M or A). ;) np: Ely Guerra - Lotofire (very ectoish, check it out!) nr: AOPA magazine (finally moved those to the john) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 17:40:48 -0700 From: "William Mazur" Subject: RE: Name this song II: Now, whose voice can't you stand? Phil and I agree on many, in fact I would dare say most, things with regards to life and music. This is a time when we strongly disagree. I love the sound of the voices of Neil Young and Michael Stipe. I realize that Phil is giving them recognition for their songwriting, just not their singing voices. I will agree that both are an acquired taste. I have loved Neil since his days with Buffalo Springfield. BTW, if you like Neil Young, try checking out the CA band called Granddaddy. Their CD "The Sopftware Slump" is excellent. The singer sounds a lot like Neil. Their music is a cross between Neil Young and Radiohead. Those of you on the list that may like The Flaming Lips will also appreciate Grandaddy. - -----Original Message----- From: owner-ecto@smoe.org [mailto:owner-ecto@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Phillip Hudson Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2003 2:18 PM To: ecto@smoe.org Subject: RE: Name this song II: Now, whose voice can't you stand? Thanks everyone. I also did not know Creed was a Christian band, the reason for which (quick segue;) brings me to a topic I have been meaning to throw out to the list: I don't much like the sound of the singer's voice ( besides a few other things). There are some singers out there who have written great songs, but I simply cannot get past their voices. The two that most come to mind are the great Neil Young, the majority of whose songs are lovely, masterful works, and Michael Snipe, with whom I really have the toughest time of all. I think the commonality is the whining in various pitches: Neil often sounds just like SNL's Church Lady (and even Dana Carvey noted that the two have never been seen together), and Michael's droning, nasal voice, while not as squawky as Young's has a similar 'nails-on-a-chalkboard" effect on me. They also both tend to over-pronounce certain words, for example; "Gurrrll", which somehow inexplicably offends my sensibilities. I also dislike the " sensitive-soul-crushed-by-a-cruel-world" persona that I perceive around Michael, but that may well be just my superficial take; I really try and tune him out when I hear REM on the radio, so I'm not paying too much attention to the lyrics. I just want to bounce a Nerf Ball off his head every time I hear " Night Swimming". Sorry Michael. (You too, Geddy Lee!) Who else knows of artists, good or otherwise, whose voices they really can't get to like ?? Phil, who also disliked Mick Jagger when he first saw the Stones on TV. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 17:43:21 -0700 From: "William Mazur" Subject: RE: Name this song II: Now, whose voice can't you stand? Sue, I have got to agree with you on Tom Waits. He is hard for me to take. He always sounds dead drunk when he sings. Although, I have to give him his due as a songwriter. He writes poignant songs. Bill M. - -----Original Message----- From: owner-ecto@smoe.org [mailto:owner-ecto@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Sue Trowbridge Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2003 2:27 PM To: ecto Subject: RE: Name this song II: Now, whose voice can't you stand? On Tue, 15 Apr 2003, Phillip Hudson wrote: > Who else knows of artists, good or otherwise, whose voices they really can't > get to like ?? Tom Waits -- I know a lot of people who think he's a genius, but I canNOT stand his voice! Billy Corgan of Smashing Pumpkins/Zwan is another one I have a lot of trouble listening to without cringing. His voice has kind of a whiny quality that drives me nuts. - --Sue np: Stephen Malkmus, PIG LIB ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 19:08:31 -0700 From: "Phillip Hudson" Subject: RE: Sniping at Stipe Oops, the 'sniping' was unintentional. (The 'n' is next to the 't' on my keyboard;) - -----Original Message----- From: owner-ecto@smoe.org [mailto:owner-ecto@smoe.org]On Behalf Of Robert Lovejoy Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2003 2:35 PM To: ecto@smoe.org Subject: Sniping at Stipe - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Phillip Hudson" .... and Michael Snipe, with whom I> really have the toughest time of all. Tee Hee! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 19:10:48 -0700 From: "Bill" Subject: Re: Bill's Trivia Question (WAS: RE: Now, whose voice can't you stand?) Darn, I had meant to put a "Bill M. is not eligible to play." disclaimer in my post! I *knew* you would know. :) By the way, it's an interesting coincidence, my friend, that I too thoroughly enjoy "Into the Lens" (and "Machine Messiah" as well); Jon Anderson or not it's a fine work. I knew you had good taste when I first heard your music. As for your trivia quetion, it's on the tip of my tongue... I'll have to phone my Yes buddy in Ohio and ask him. But, for now I'll take a wild shot and say... King Crimson. Speaking of my Yes buddy in Ohio, he sent me an a-capella version of Yes's "Leave It"; it really, really rocks; have you all heard it? Anyway, thanks for playing, Bill M.; we'll take you out for nice food when we make it to the Bay. - - Bill G. np: Mala Rodriguez - Yo Marco El Minuto (from the "Sex and Lucia" soundtrack (me? rap? who woulda thought?!)) On Wed, 16 Apr 2003 17:29:07 -0700, William Mazur wrote: >Bill G., > >Am I too late to play? > >That's too easy my friend. :-) The answer is: Trevor Horn and the >album/CD is Drama. > >Trevor and Geoff Downes of The Buggles ("Video Killed The Radio Star") >joined Yes for that one album. Trevor is a really good producer and >later produced several of Yes' CDs. I believe that he was the producer >for 90125 which netted Yes the hit "Owner of a Lonely Heart". > >I personally think that Trevor is a fine singer. He is just not Jon >Anderson. Drama is a really good CD. Kind of a sleeper for them. >Probably because of it being a non-Anderson CD. I really like "Into the >Lens" (later became "I am a Camera" on the 2nd Buggles CD) and "Machine >Messiah". > >OK, what do I win? ;-) > >I have a trivia question for you all. What CD of a famous prog rock >band, which was the 3rd for this band, did Jon Anderson sing on as a >guest? Hint: My n.p. gives you a clue. This one is pretty easy too. :-) > >Bill M. > >n.p. David Sylvian and Robert Fripp - The First Day ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 19:20:26 -0700 From: "Bill" Subject: Re: Bill's Trivia Question (WAS: RE: Now, whose voice can't you stand?) On Wed, 16 Apr 2003 19:10:48 -0700, Bill wrote: >I'll take a wild shot and say... King Crimson. PS: That would be the _Lizard_ album. - - Bill G. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 22:26:29 -0400 From: "jzitt@metatronpress.com" Subject: Re: Now, whose voice can't you stand? Original Message: - ----------------- From: Bill bill@wagill.com Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 16:12:18 -0700 To: nadyne@sbcglobal.net, ecto@smoe.org Subject: Re: Now, whose voice can't you stand? On Wed, 16 Apr 2003 15:20:12 -0700 (PDT), Nadyne Mielke wrote: > Here's an opportunity for extra credit: Name the Yes album where Jon > Anderson did not sing, and name the lead singer. Ah, that would be "Drama", with Trevor Horn, later to better use his remaining talents in producing "90125". I kinda liked that album. "Tempus Fugit" from it is one of my favorite Yes songs, and the first bass line I ever taught myself to play. - -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 22:30:11 -0400 From: "jzitt@metatronpress.com" Subject: RE: Bill's Trivia Question (WAS: RE: Now, whose voice can't youstand?) Original Message: - ----------------- From: William Mazur wpm@value.net Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 17:29:07 -0700 To: bill@wagill.com, ecto@smoe.org Subject: Bill's Trivia Question (WAS: RE: Now, whose voice can't youstand?) > I have a trivia question for you all. What CD of a famous prog rock > band, which was the 3rd for this band, did Jon Anderson sing on as a > guest? Hint: My n.p. gives you a clue. This one is pretty easy too. :-) Ooh! Ooh! "Prince Rupert Awakes", from King Crimson's "Lizard". n.p.i.m.h. See above - -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . ------------------------------ End of ecto-digest V9 #106 **************************