From: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org (ecto-digest) To: ecto-digest@smoe.org Subject: ecto-digest V9 #34 Reply-To: ecto@smoe.org Sender: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk ecto-digest Wednesday, February 5 2003 Volume 09 : Number 034 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Today's your birthday, friend... [Mike Matthews ] Minidisc ["Mitchell A. Pravatiner" ] ani news [JoAnn Whetsell ] minidisc (very off-topic) ["Larne Pekowsky" ] FW: It's tour time ["William Mazur" ] Re: minidisc (very off-topic) [Greg Bossert ] Re: minidisc (very off-topic) [Chris Morriss ] Re: minidisc (very off-topic) [meredith ] RE: It's tour time [Phillip Hudson ] RE: It's tour time, addendum [Phillip Hudson ] Re: minidisc (very off-topic) [alberto carrasco ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2003 03:00:03 -0500 (EST) From: Mike Matthews Subject: Today's your birthday, friend... i*i*i*i*i*i i*i*i*i*i*i *************** *****HAPPY********* **************BIRTHDAY********* *************************************************** *************************************************************************** ******************** Stephen Thomas (no Email address) ******************** *************************************************************************** -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- - -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Stephen Thomas Fri February 04 1966 Aquarius Doug Burks Tue February 14 1956 Blank Jim Sturnfield Thu February 18 1954 Aquarius Juha Kannisto Wed February 18 1970 Aquarius Joel Siegfried February 19 Penguin Crossing Linda Saboe Tue February 20 1951 aimless Teresa Ross Wed February 23 1977 pisces Michael Curry Fri February 24 1967 Pisces Paula Shanks Mon February 25 1952 Pisces Brni Mojzes Fri February 26 1965 the vanishing boy Pamela Pociluk Fri February 28 1964 Pisces Peter Clark Thu March 04 1948 Pedestrian - -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2003 08:43:36 -0600 (CST) From: "Mitchell A. Pravatiner" Subject: Minidisc WWRT Adam's question: I was surprised to hear they were still making minidiscs. This format was one of two that came out in the early 90s--the minidisc from Sony and the digital compact cassette from Philips--that tried to combine the sound quality of the CD with the recordability and compactness of the classic cassette. Neither really caught on, what with the advent of portable CD players and, eventually, recordable and rerecordable CDs. I don't recall many, if any, recordings being released in either format on labels other than those of the companies that created these respective technologies, and even those never seemed to get prominent store display. For all that, if one can still find 8 track tapes and players here and there, it should be possible to find the analogous MD goods. The newsgroup rec.audio on Usenet comes to mind immediately as a place to ask, perhaps look on Sony's website to see if MDs are still made at all, perhaps email Sony from there to ask about manufacturers of MD equipment. Or, write letters to audio or music magazines, some reader is sure to have the answers. Mitch ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2003 11:23:40 -0500 From: JoAnn Whetsell Subject: ani news IN THE COLLEGIATE UNIVERSE and far beyond, almost no other performer has a more rabid, predominantly female fanbase than folk-punk artist Ani DiFranco. Her illustrious career is saturated with more than a dozen albums - roughly one per year since 1989 - a career-long residency on her own label, the enduring Righteous Babe, and an ever-high demand for her frequent live performances. Not far behind lay countless contributions to political causes, whether it be compilation appearances, benefit-event performances or biting observations on her own CDs. DiFranco - who was recently featured in an episode of ABC's Up Close news program - closes out the winter with Evolve (Righteous Babe, March 25), a 12-track album she recorded at The Congress House in Austin, TX and her oft-used home studio in Buffalo, NY. The CD concludes her relationship with a band that has performed regularly with her both in concert and in the studio, and finds DiFranco leaping back into pure solo artistry. The full lineup: "Promised Land," "In the Way," "Icarus," "Slide," "O My My," "Evolve," "Shrug," "Phase," "Here for Now," "Second Intermission," "Serpentine" and "Welcome To:." "'Evolve' jumped onto the record at the last minute," DiFranco tells ICE. "I thought I was going to call the record Phase, because I'm stuck in a moment for a lot of the record. But I spent enough time working on it that I began to evolve myself, and wanted the record to have some rays of light on the horizon." From Ice Magazine www.icemagazine.com JoAnn ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2003 12:02:08 -0500 (EST) From: "Larne Pekowsky" Subject: minidisc (very off-topic) adam asks: > Does anyone out there have any thoughts on the future of the minidisc > format? My guess is it's been largely supplanted by portable MP3 players which serve many of the purposes for which I originally went minidisc (Can carry lots of music without a lot of weight, lossy but good enough compression, re-recordable, random access, etc). However, there also seems to be enough of a critical mass of minidisc users, both home and professional, that I doubt it will go away completely. > thought of buying a full-sized component to add to my stereo -- a > thought I've been entertaining for a while, and when I checked > Richer Sounds (our discount stereo place) they seemed to have fewer > than ever. www.minidisco.com lists five US models (most, not surprisingly, from Sony) and two imported from Japan, and a few more in their "pro" section. (I've been very happy with minidisco, by the way.) > I love the versatility of the format, I have a portable recorder which I love for many of the same reasons. If I could ever record/edit MP3s on a small, self-contained consumer device I might give up minidisc - and I guess this will probably happen someday. - Larne ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2003 09:40:17 -0800 From: "William Mazur" Subject: FW: It's tour time FYI, Terami is touring and needs some help with some house concerts. - -----Original Message----- From: Terami Hirsch [mailto:info@terami.com] Sent: Monday, February 03, 2003 11:32 PM Subject: It's tour time To all my friends, I have some really exciting news! This spring I will uproot myself for a good 3 week period and bring my keyboard with me around the country in an effort to entertain as many people as possible. In other words, I'm going on tour! I want this tour to really be something special and after brainstorming with my friend and musical colleague, Natalie Wattre (http://www.wattremusic.com), we decided to hit the road together. (While we will be playing at the same venues we will be performing separately.) Both of us share the grassroots, down and dirty approach to music so we thought an appropriate and effective way to cover the country would be through small coffeehouse venues as well as a healthy dose of HOME CONCERTS. This is sorta where you come in! We're looking for friends who would be willing to help us out by hosting a home concert or else help us organize a show in their favorite local hangout. I can give you a ton of information about home concerts, if the idea is foreign to you. But, in essence, you throw a party and invite friends and we'll provide the musical entertainment. Think, "Tupperware Party, only cooler." Kidding. Anyhow, if you're interested in hearing more about how you might be able to help out, please contact me. We need all the help we can get! - ------------ Here is a little extra info: Dates we're looking to travel in: April 15 - May 15, 2003 Cities we want to visit: We will visit the places where we receive the most responses! We hope this means we'll go from coast to coast, up and down, inside and out - but it's really up to you! ** I will email you a whole bunch of home concert info if you're interested! ** - ------------ Thanks, guys. I appreciate any thoughts or help you can offer! Terami - -- Introvert With a Microphone. http://www.terami.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2003 13:06:38 -0800 From: Greg Bossert Subject: Re: minidisc (very off-topic) On Monday, Feb 3, 2003, at 05:55 US/Pacific, adamk@zoom.co.uk wrote: > Does anyone out there have any thoughts on the future of the minidisc > format? > [...] > I know it never really took off as a pre-recorded format, but I was > just > wondering about its future -- anyone else have any opinions? some data points: * the audio-for-film and experimental/ambient music communities have found mini-disc recorders very handy for impromptu field recording, so there is a small but "demographically important" community of (semi-)professional users of the format (though not of pre-recorded material). this may help prolong the availability of minidisc equipment. * last time i was in the sony metreon complex here in san francisco, they still had a reasonable stock of pre-recorded discs and a lot of players. * last time i was in japan, there were a *lot* of minidiscs and associated equipment. whole stores of 'em. but then again, japanese consumers are usually more willing to move to new formats (and throw out their old equipment), * Sony Electronics is serious hampered by its relationship with Sony Records (and thus the RIAA and that gang of thugs) -- the two divisions are actually involved in law suits against each other. this means that Sony Electronics is having difficulty introducing MP3 players, and is thus still focused on minidisc. however, i have read that there was a great deal of regret within Sony that they had not been the ones to introduce the iPod. also, the RIAA gang is showing signs of collapse, so Sony Electronics may find itself able to move away from minidisc in the next year or two. i also expect to see much wider choices and lower prices for in hard disk recorders in the two years (e.g. the iPod), coincident with the collapse of political protection for the RIAA et al. so you may have some reasonable alternatives to your minidisc player... Note: if you have interest or opinions on the issue of consumer uses of legally purchased content, by all means check out the Electronic Frontier Foundation i'm not sure that there is any clear conclusion, but i suspect that minidiscs will be readily available, at least from web retailers, for another year or two. - -g 'tah - -- "i've never been afraid to change the circumstances of the world" - -- Happy Rhodes - -- "except for bunnies..." - -- Anya ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2003 21:40:56 +0000 From: Chris Morriss Subject: Re: minidisc (very off-topic) In message <8D1314F9-3884-11D7-97B2-000A9566CEDE@fuaim.com>, Greg Bossert writes >On Monday, Feb 3, 2003, at 05:55 US/Pacific, adamk@zoom.co.uk wrote: >> Does anyone out there have any thoughts on the future of the minidisc >>format? >> [...] >> I know it never really took off as a pre-recorded format, but I was >>just >> wondering about its future -- anyone else have any opinions? > >some data points: > > * the audio-for-film and experimental/ambient music communities have >found mini-disc recorders very handy for impromptu field recording, so >there is a small but "demographically important" community of >(semi-)professional users of the format (though not of pre-recorded >material). this may help prolong the availability of minidisc equipment. > >* last time i was in the sony metreon complex here in san francisco, >they still had a reasonable stock of pre-recorded discs and a lot of >players. > >* last time i was in japan, there were a *lot* of minidiscs and >associated equipment. whole stores of 'em. but then again, japanese >consumers are usually more willing to move to new formats (and throw >out their old equipment), > >* Sony Electronics is serious hampered by its relationship with Sony >Records (and thus the RIAA and that gang of thugs) -- the two divisions >are actually involved in law suits against each other. this means that >Sony Electronics is having difficulty introducing MP3 players, and is >thus still focused on minidisc. > >however, i have read that there was a great deal of regret within Sony >that they had not been the ones to introduce the iPod. also, the RIAA >gang is showing signs of collapse, so Sony Electronics may find itself >able to move away from minidisc in the next year or two. > >i also expect to see much wider choices and lower prices for in hard >disk recorders in the two years (e.g. the iPod), coincident with the >collapse of political protection for the RIAA et al. so you may have >some reasonable alternatives to your minidisc player... Note: if you >have interest or opinions on the issue of consumer uses of legally >purchased content, by all means check out the Electronic Frontier >Foundation > >i'm not sure that there is any clear conclusion, but i suspect that >minidiscs will be readily available, at least from web retailers, for >another year or two. > >-g 'tah >-- "i've never been afraid to change the circumstances of the world" >-- Happy Rhodes >-- "except for bunnies..." >-- Anya Until compact flash cards get much lower in price, then Minidisc must be the best bet for portable recording. MP3s are great for short-term music storage, but the price of keeping the recordings on smart-media or CF is far too high. Minidisc works really well, and is an ideal format for the car. (Do you seriously want to use CDs in the car? And to try to load one single handed!!!) I don't believe Minidisc ever took off in the USA did it? It's still very popular for portable use over this side. - -- Chris Morriss ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 Feb 2003 19:09:17 -0500 From: meredith Subject: Re: minidisc (very off-topic) Hi, Larne responded: >My guess is it's been largely supplanted by portable MP3 players which >serve many of the purposes for which I originally went minidisc (Can >carry lots of music without a lot of weight, lossy but good enough >compression, re-recordable, random access, etc). > >However, there also seems to be enough of a critical mass of minidisc >users, both home and professional, that I doubt it will go away >completely. Well, I for one (and woj for two :) hope minidisc sticks around for a little while. That's what woj uses to record live shows, and portable DAT decks are stubbornly refusing to become affordable. In fact, the only people I know who use MD are tapers. I can't imagine it being all that useful for anything else, particularly since the advent of the iPod and its ilk. =================================================== Meredith Tarr New Haven, CT USA mailto:meth@smoe.org http://www.smoe.org/meth =================================================== Live At The House O'Muzak House Concert Series http://muzak.smoe.org NEXT UP: Cadence Carroll & Kellie Lin Knott, 2/9/03 =================================================== ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 Feb 2003 16:39:09 -0800 From: Phillip Hudson Subject: RE: It's tour time Terami recently sent me some rough mixes of new songs. One is now stuck in my head ( probably due to my playing it non-stop all day; it's quite magnificent). All the new songs are absolutely lovely, and I daresay if you ask her nicely, she'll play some of them at your house concert, nudge, prod, wink, etc. Terami and Kevin are also just great fun in concert, it's very intimate and humorous between songs. Kevin operates the samplers, synths and assorted electrickery, while Terami alternately caresses and threatens her keyboard, delivering her thoughtful and imaginative songs with much passion and clarity. You can tell when she's in that 'performance zone' because it makes her want to dance; unfortunately for us dance lovers, she has to play a lot of piano, which takes both hands and a right foot. So all that dancing energy channels to her only available leg, which then gets all inspired and tries to take off dancing by itself. I'll talk more about the new songs when I have more time to think up exciting new adjectives for them. The ones I have are all used up. Except splendificent. Which is what her performance at the house concert was. So go email Terami now and set up your own performance zone, before all the good dates get snapped up :) Regards to all Phil Extrovert with a Megaphone William Mazur Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2003 9:40 AM To: My Fuzzy Blue Friends Subject: FW: It's tour time FYI, Terami is touring and needs some help with some house concerts. - -----Original Message----- From: Terami Hirsch [mailto:info@terami.com] Sent: Monday, February 03, 2003 11:32 PM Subject: It's tour time http://www.terami.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 Feb 2003 17:09:54 -0800 From: Phillip Hudson Subject: RE: It's tour time, addendum I really need to get out on the net more...the Terami CD of which I spoke is actually listed on her website; it's called "3ofX" and is available by request for industry, station jocks and zine reviewers. Permission is also given to rip copies for friends. http://www.terami.com/music.htm# You folks probably knew all this and more already, but thanks for humoring me anyway. Phil Hudson Ex-Pervert with a Megaphone Phillip Hudson Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2003 4:39 PM To: My Fuzzy Blue Friends Subject: RE: It's tour time Terami recently sent me some rough mixes of new songs.... Introvert with a Microphone http://www.terami.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2003 17:12:38 -0800 (PST) From: alberto carrasco Subject: Re: minidisc (very off-topic) My two cents... Meredith, I got a portable mini-disc specifically to record live shows and have found it completely ill-equipped to record a large-scale electric show. Even when I drastically reduce the recording levels, an arena volume show still overloads it so all I get is distortion... and changing discs clears all settings making it a nightmare trying to not miss a song, re-setting in a dark arena, etc... though it is fine for small-scale acoustic shows. If Woj has any suggestions for portable MD with the loud stuff, I'm all ears. Until I get it down, it's back to tape for me... I also do music and sound design for live theater, and mini-disc decks are pretty much standard equipment in all Chicago-area theaters and I suspect will be until recordable CDs are as versatile editing-wise. And something like an iPod would be too clumsy with all the eyes-on attention it would require in a sound booth live-performance situation. - --- meredith wrote: > Well, I for one (and woj for two :) hope minidisc > sticks around for a > little while. That's what woj uses to record live > shows, and portable DAT > decks are stubbornly refusing to become affordable. > > In fact, the only people I know who use MD are > tapers. I can't imagine it > being all that useful for anything else, > particularly since the advent of > the iPod and its ilk. > > > =================================================== > Meredith Tarr > New Haven, CT USA > mailto:meth@smoe.org > http://www.smoe.org/meth > =================================================== > Live At The House O'Muzak House Concert Series > http://muzak.smoe.org > NEXT UP: Cadence Carroll & Kellie Lin Knott, 2/9/03 > =================================================== Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: 05 Feb 2003 13:29:30 +1100 From: Andrew Fries Subject: RE: It's tour time, addendum On Wed, 2003-02-05 at 12:09, Phillip Hudson wrote: > I really need to get out on the net more...the Terami CD of which I spoke is > actually listed on her website; it's called "3ofX" and is available by > request for industry, station jocks and zine reviewers. Permission is also > given to rip copies for friends. > > http://www.terami.com/music.htm# > > You folks probably knew all this and more already, but thanks for humoring > me anyway. Hey, I didn't know about this. Could somebody make these tracks available for download? (I could, if someone gives them to me first) - --------------------------------------------------------------------- "Freedom of the press is guaranteed only to those who own one." -- A.J Liebling, media critic - -- 08:28:28 up 5 days, 49 min, 1 user, load average: 0.02, 0.02, 0.00-- ------------------------------ End of ecto-digest V9 #34 *************************