From: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org (ecto-digest) To: ecto-digest@smoe.org Subject: ecto-digest V8 #257 Reply-To: ecto@smoe.org Sender: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk ecto-digest Sunday, September 15 2002 Volume 08 : Number 257 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Today's your birthday, friend... [Mike Matthews ] Re: jack's movie [cyo@landoftheblind.com] danish music [anna maria "stjärnell" ] katrin cartlidge. ["heidi maier" ] New Releases [jjhanson@att.net] lavelle, germano, runga, richey, mcevoy [Paul2k@aol.com] Re: lavelle, germano, runga, richey, mcevoy [Birdie ] Re: lavelle, germano, runga, richey, mcevoy [Steve VanDevender ] Re: lavelle, germano, runga, richey, mcevoy [Joseph Zitt ] Brazil (was Re: lavelle, germano, runga, richey, mcevoy [WretchAwry Subject: Today's your birthday, friend... i*i*i*i*i*i i*i*i*i*i*i *************** *****HAPPY********* **************BIRTHDAY********* *************************************************** *************************************************************************** ***************** Karron Lynn Lane (Wink@mail.sstar.com) ****************** *************************************************************************** -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- - -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Karron Lynn Lane Tue September 14 1751 Ophelia Virgo Troy Wollenslegel Mon September 18 1972 Virgo Mark Frabotta Sun September 19 1965 Don't even THINK about parking here Joe Zitt Sat September 20 1958 Will Hack for CDs Ani DiFranco Wed September 23 1970 Virgo Lord Tyr Mon September 24 1979 Libran Paul Kim Sat October 01 1977 fetal position JoAnn Whetsell Fri October 01 1976 Pendulum William Gill Wed October 05 1960 A wide-eyed wanderer Dan Riley Sun October 08 1961 Libra Neile Graham Wed October 08 1958 pen Quenby M. Chunco Tue October 08 1968 Crunchy Frog Mike Garland Wed October 08 1952 Creature_of_the_Night Irvin Lin Tue October 09 1973 Libra Michael C. Berch Wed October 10 1956 No parking Chris Gagnon Sat October 10 1970 Libra Wolfgang Drotschmann Thu October 13 1966 Waage Gracescape Fri October 13 1967 unbalanced Brian Bloom Tue October 14 1969 spam - -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2002 01:46:02 -0700 From: cyo@landoftheblind.com Subject: Re: jack's movie movies, The Crossing Guard, with S. Penn directing and Jack in lead is one of my favorite, not-ness enjoyable, but hugely respected films, says a lot about forgiveness, is in your face and Jack kicked ass in it. I agree most of the time he plays himself (like 90% of all actors and actresses in Hollywood) but Sean seems to get amazing performances out of him...of course, it helps to actually have a well written screen play now and then. off to write new music, peaceout, cyo > O'Manion Music cyo@landoftheblind.com http://www.landoftheblind.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2002 02:44:25 -0700 (PDT) From: anna maria "stjärnell" Subject: danish music hi all.. Am going to Copenhagen for a day..can anyone recommned some good danish etco music? Is Under Byen's cds easy to find there? Anna Maria np-In tua nua-long acre(Badly scratched used cd-ack!) nr-laurell k Hamilton-narcissus in chains Yahoo! News - Today's headlines http://news.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2002 00:46:46 +1000 From: "heidi maier" Subject: katrin cartlidge. i thought that others, also, might be interested to read mike leigh's tribute to katrin. heidi. - ---- 'We have lost a great actor' Katrin Cartlidge, who died suddenly at the weekend aged 41, had her first leading role in Mike Leigh's film Naked. Here he remembers her passion, talent and humour Friday September 13, 2002 The Guardian At the Toronto film festival last weekend, the dreadful news of Katrin's untimely sudden death spread like a shockwave. We were all utterly stunned. Many of us knew her personally, others only from her many screen performances. Yet everybody felt they knew her, and everybody loved her. It happened to fall to me to tell Juliette Binoche. I was unaware she was soon to start work with Katrin on Walter Salles' new film. She was bereft: she had not yet even met Katrin. At the question session after our own film, a member of the huge audience asked me about Katrin. The audience was palpably shocked. Film festivals are not all like Cannes or Venice. They come in every shape and size. Many of the best are modest, uncompetitive affairs, where audiences and film-makers mingle intimately. Katrin loved these especially, and attended many of them: she was always a popular participant. Some of us were lucky enough to spend time with her at the friendly film festival at Sarajevo only a couple of weeks ago. Her work on Manchevski's Before the Rain (1994) made Katrin a Balkans heroine long ago, but since No Man's Land last year, she has become a veritable star in Bosnia-Herzegovina. And here she was in Sarajevo, where they idolise her, radiant and sunny, with her long hair and famous infectious laugh, and her little rucksack on her back, chatting with members of the public avidly, watching all sorts of films, having genuinely serious spontaneous discussions with young film-makers. She was fascinated and ever inquisitive about the city, the recent war, and above all the people; endlessly enthusiastic about everything, not least the food, and characteristically happy pottering around the old town, rooting out cotton scarves and leather slippers. One of our joint duties was to introduce the late-night open-air screening of Naked to an audience of 2,500. Much to Katrin's amusement, the interpreter asked me what I was going to say (Katrin knew I always improvise). I told the woman not to worry, I wouldn't say anything she couldn't translate. While waiting to go on, Katrin suggested I say something untranslatable. I volunteered, "Twas brillig, and the slithy toves (etc)." Katrin said that if I'd recite that, she would utter a long sentence in Serbo-Croat, picked up while shooting No Man's Land, which she duly demonstrated. This turned out to be the foulest of obscenities; but the great joy of Katrin's delicious sense of humour was that we didn't need to bother with the dare itself - just savouring the wheeze was enough. I adored her twinkling anarchy. During the Sarajevo trip, we attended a reception given in our honour by the British ambassador in the garden of his official residence. From time to time, as we chatted with various film-makers and diplomats and their wives, I would catch sight of Katrin giving me a naughty conspiratorial anti-establishment wink, as if she was about to perform some dastardly republican deed. Katrin was occasionally given to sophisticated practical jokes. When she was on the jury at the Edinburgh film festival, she sat in the row in front of another jury member and made enthusiastic noises throughout the screening of an obviously atrocious film, much to her colleague's bewilderment. As the credits rolled, she jumped up, turned round, and chortled, "Gotcha!" It is my privilege to have worked with Katrin on the film that led to her career, unique amongst British actors, in independent European and American films. Naked was not her first film, but Sophie was her first leading role. I had known her for a number of years and had admired her theatre work. (She always recalled my visit to her theatre studies class at Parliament Hill school, where, typically, she remembered her delight at the short shrift I gave her unfortunate teacher.) She had often told me how much she wanted to act in films, especially in mine. Of course, lots of actors say that sort of thing, but it was only when I started to work with Katrin on Naked that I began to realise there was more to it. She took to the improvisation and character work instantly, easily and with extraordinary commitment and imagination. Other than in the Royal Court Young People's Theatre, she had had no formal training, but you would never have guessed it (Drama Centre London turned her down, and that put her off). And my abiding memory during the long rehearsal process is of her endlessly exclaiming, "This is such a gas." On the whole, even the most intelligent actors don't pay much attention to the filming itself, far less to the nature of film performance in relation to the whole process. But, as Simon McBurney said in his moving obituary in this newspaper, Katrin believed "in the process of cinema as well as the product". It turned out that she had originally wanted to go to film school to direct, but had decided early on that she should first find out about acting. And, despite her inspired, genius ability to lose herself in the character and to behave as an actor should, she also had the objective eye of an artist. For that is what she was, in the broader sense of the word, and in the way that most actors are not. She drew her inspiration not only from life and people and experience, but also from painting and sculpture and much else, including world cinema. She often talked to me about her eventual move into directing. I am in no doubt that we have lost not only one of our greatest actors but also one of the most interesting new directors of the future. But the depth, scope, range and sheer electricity of Katrin's acting was phenomenal. Had she continued, she would most certainly have become, over the next 40 years or so, one of the true greats. Her tastes and sensibilities were both classical and yet alert to the contemporary pulse. And her acting was always informed by her compassion, her courage, her humility, her gravity, her humour, her sexuality, her sense of justice, her acute observation, and her deep-seated suspicion of all forms of woolly thinking and received ideas. We worked together only twice after Naked. In Career Girls, her remarkable achievement, for which she won the Evening Standard best actress award, was to play the immensely complex Hannah at both 20 and 30. Others in the cast had to do this too, of course, but Hannah's behavioural complexity made Katrin's characterisation phenomenal. She was mostly unavailable for Topsy-Turvy, but was desperate to take part, in however small a role, "just for the gas of it". So at the last minute, she came in and gave her delicious madame in the scene where Sullivan visits a Paris brothel. And when she showed up to contribute her cameo, she had been to Paris to do some pretty thorough research. Her co-lead in Career Girls was Lynda Steadman, who was very ill during the shoot. Naturally, everybody was as helpful as possible, but Katrin took total responsibility for her comrade, and without compromising her own work, was so caring and so very strong that Lynda was able to deliver a beautiful and flawless performance. For, as has been said in many places during this sad week, Katrin was a truly loyal friend, and was universally loved. I still find it impossible to believe she is gone, that I will never again meet her for lunch and have that special free-flowing Katrin conversation, at once profound and hilarious. But the hardest thing of all is to face the unbearable truth that Katrin Cartlidge will never again make her magical contribution to my films. This devastating fact leaves me very sad indeed. It is a terrible loss. - ---- "she's the far end of the graveyard, up where the nettles grow ..." * heidi maier :: maier@joynet.com.au * ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2002 14:54:26 +0000 From: jjhanson@att.net Subject: New Releases I see that Alison Moyet's Hometime is finally out in the UK--due out here Sept. 24th. Yay! I've been waiting for this one for a while--anyone heard it yet? Thoughts? There will be some album release parties in LA, St. Louis, Austin, and tour dates are up for her UK tour (and record release parties in the U.S.) at www.alisonmoyet.com I bought the new Berlin album a few weeks back and think its really great--as solid a Berlin album as any--very much in the line of Count Three and Pray. Very solid album, and Terri Nunn is sharing vocals with this line-up, but they sound great. Check out more at www.berlinpage.com. I'm surprised there hasn't been any buzz on it here. There is a band that got ruined by one overplayed hit (Take My Breath Away) that wasn't even reflective of what they did. Their live shows are great--Terri Nunn can really sing. Hope they get a tour together--right now it looks like they're just playing a few isolated dates in LA and Vegas. I actually got the Berlin album the day it was released and I was on vacation in California--it seemed appropriate somehow that the first time I heard it I was driving up the coast road in my rented convertible, top down, on a beautfiuil CA day. I bought a ton of other stuff that day (Frou Frou, Future Bible Heroes, etc), and while those are good, they haven't made as much of an impression on me as Berlin's. Frou Frou is very much in line with Imogen Heap's solo album--but somehow less catchy. Now if Maria McKee would just get her latest out.... Jeff Hanson np Neko Case - Blacklisted nr Letters to a Young Novelist - Mario Varga Llosa ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2002 11:10:56 EDT From: Paul2k@aol.com Subject: lavelle, germano, runga, richey, mcevoy Caroline Lavelle is rereleasing her second album _Brilliant Midnight_, this time on her own label and with a few extra songs. She was dropped from Teldec/Warner Classics after it's release last year when it kinda went nowhere. I still haven't warmed to it as much as I did her first effort, _Spirit_. http://www.carolinelavelle.com/news One of the songs on the album is a cowrite with Eleanor McEvoy that appears on Eleanor's _Snapshots_ album. Speaking of Eleanor, she has a bunch of new dates through October up at her site. These include dates in the U.K., the U.S., and Canada. Unfortunately for me, no dates in L.A. http://www.eleanormcevoy.org Lisa Germano has another show coming up at the end of this month at Largo in L.A. And then she releases a new cd in October. It looks like Bic Runga's new cd comes out in the U.S. in November. She's got tourdates for Australia. I'm crossing my fingers for U.S. dates. Kim Richey has a new album coming out on my birthday. She'll be touring behind it. HMV.com has a cd sale. From a selection of 1100 cds marked $11.99 U.S., buy any two, get a third free. Pretty good selection too, including Neko Case, Cowboy Junkies, Beth Orton, XTC, KaTe, Jeff Buckley, Jann Arden, Coldplay, Josie and the Pussycats. Oh the choices. I just watched Amelie on DVD. *sigh* :) Within the past half year, I've watched Delicatessen, City of Lost Children, and Amelie. They've helped me appreciate Alien Resurrection a lot more. A LOT. Did you know that Barry White is allergic to chocolate? He was working on an Arby's commercial at the recording studio where I slave away, and it was his birthday, so someone got him a cake with chocolate in it. he couldn't eat it. :( i must sleep now. Paul Kim SUPER KARATE MONKEY DEATH CAR! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2002 09:34:48 -0700 From: Birdie Subject: Re: lavelle, germano, runga, richey, mcevoy "I just watched Amelie on DVD. *sigh* [:)] Within the past half year, I've watched Delicatessen, City of Lost Children, and Amelie. They've helped me appreciate Alien Resurrection a lot more. A LOT." I worked on Alien Resurrection with JP, and the studio had cuts made to it prior its release which completely toned it down and made it...IMHO...lose all it's edge and a lot of its intensity. So, hopefully, one day, they will release the directors cut, which I felt was too controversial for the studio's to handle. ..and....makes it a stronger whole film. What was released was the hacked up toned down edges removed mild version. The directors cut is hardly mediocore. The studio wrecked it. You are aware that LIsa Germano sings a few songs on Yann Tiersen's (composer for Amelie) most recent CD L'Absente? I'll have to see if there was any music vid's made from it and request they be played on WorldLink TV...I haven't seen any of Yann's work there yet, but, it fits....and...I would love to see any videos. There is a new movie coming out "Moonlight Mile" which Susan Sarandon is in and exec produced which has a great script and great actors/acting and uses music wonderfully.....has a lot of songs by the old school like RollingStones (hence the title of the film) Jefferson Airplane, Dylan, Mark Bolan, Van Morrison, early Elton (Razorface) and they all sound so refreshing and are really really good in the context they are used in....it will be a very talked about soundtrack, and I'm sure the film will be up for several awards. Cheers Birdie PS No spam here, just personal opinions based on experience. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2002 12:45:11 -0700 From: Joseph Zitt Subject: Re: lavelle, germano, runga, richey, mcevoy On Sat, 14 Sep 2002 09:34:48 -0700 Birdie wrote: > "I just watched Amelie on DVD. *sigh* [:)] Within the past half > year, I've watched Delicatessen, City of Lost Children, and Amelie. > They've helped me appreciate Alien Resurrection a lot more. A LOT." > > I > worked on Alien Resurrection with JP, and the studio had cuts made to > it prior its release which completely toned it down and made > it...IMHO...lose all it's edge and a lot of its intensity. So, > hopefully, one day, they will release the directors cut, which I felt > was too controversial for the studio's to handle. ..and....makes it a > stronger whole film. What was released was the hacked up toned down > edges removed mild version. The directors cut is hardly mediocore. The > studio wrecked it. I quite enjoyed Alien Resurrection. But that may be due to the word I had heard about it in the years before I saw it (I found the laserdisc very cheap on eBay last year): I was expecting an utterly execrable film, with no redeeming aspects. I found that I enjoyed the design, the acting, and even the bits of Joss Whedon's script (yes, everything in the world *is* connected to Buffy :-]) that survived. I also tend to hate horror movies, and perhaps the toning down of the released version helped me like it. I'd be interested in seeing not only the director's cut but the original scripts. To hear Joss tell it, the director made a mess of it even apart from the studio intervention. I have a feeling there are so many different stories and pointed fingers about what went wrong on that movie that it would make one heck of a book. This all, however, is with the caveat that I may be a complete cinematic philistine; I also prefered the studio cut of Brazil to the director's. (now ducking behind an asbestos mask as Vickie approaches :-] ) n.p. Voices in Resonance: We Did It With Our Mouths n.r. Charles O. Hartman: Jazz Text: Voice and Improvisation in Poetry, Jazz. and Song - -- | josephzitt@josephzitt.com http://www.josephzitt.com/ | | http://www.metatronpress.com/jzitt/ http://www.mp3.com/josephzitt/ | | == New book: Surprise Me with Beauty: the Music of Human Systems == | | Comma / Gray Code Silence: the John Cage Discussion List | ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2002 16:51:07 EDT From: AzeemAK@aol.com Subject: Re: lavelle, germano, runga, richey, mcevoy In a message dated 14/09/2002 16:11:39 GMT Daylight Time, Paul2k@aol.com writes: << Caroline Lavelle is rereleasing her second album _Brilliant Midnight_, this time on her own label and with a few extra songs. She was dropped from Teldec/Warner Classics after it's release last year when it kinda went nowhere. I still haven't warmed to it as much as I did her first effort, _Spirit_.>> By chance, I was possibly one of the few people who bought this album before - - but that was in a second hand shop, and was a complete surprise to me. I'd thought Spirit was a beautiful aberration, and had no idea there was a sequel. "Spirit" has been described by some as a big inspiration to Madonna's Ray Of Light, mainly because of the shared producer. Whatever, it's a really lovely piece of work, and the first song (Turning Ground) captured me instantly. I haven't got so into Brilliant Midnight yet, but I do like it. Actually, I only discovered Spirit by chance too, as it was going for the none-too-princely sum of one pound in a second hand shop (again), and I bought it because of the Joni Mitchell cover and because I liked the cover! Azeem in London ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2002 14:50:39 -0600 From: "Earl J. Woods" Subject: RE: Buffy Hmmm...doesn't the Mayan calendar end close to that date, too, another signal for the end of the world? - -----Original Message----- From: owner-ecto@smoe.org [mailto:owner-ecto@smoe.org] On Behalf Of andrew fries Sent: Friday, September 13, 2002 8:11 PM To: Ecto Subject: Re: Buffy On Sat, 2002-09-14 at 04:38, Lyle Howard wrote: > Hi, > > I think the world is supposed to end in 2019, what with a massive > asteroid > headed this way. Repent now! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2002 17:27:07 -0700 From: Steve VanDevender Subject: Re: lavelle, germano, runga, richey, mcevoy Joseph Zitt writes: > This all, however, is with the caveat that I may be a complete cinematic > philistine; I also prefered the studio cut of Brazil to the director's. > (now ducking behind an asbestos mask as Vickie approaches :-] ) I hope you aren't talking about the "Sheinberg edit" here, or you'll have more to duck from than just Vickie. I saw part of that once on late-night TV and had to restrain myself from destroying the TV. Do you just mean the original U.S. release of _Brazil_? I haven't yet seen the official "director's cut". ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2002 18:39:40 -0700 From: Greg Bossert Subject: Re: Save Farscape campaign just a quick thanks to Sherlyn for the Farscape info! interesting things seem to be afoot... - -g On Friday, September 13, 2002, at 08:32 PM, Sherlyn Koo wrote: > Hey folks, > > Once more on Farscape then I'll stop. [...] Here's hoping we get a > chance to see Season > 5... > > -sherlyn > -- > Sherlyn Koo | sherlyn@pixelopolis.com | Sydney, Australia > "...claims to be a human, from a planet called Erp..." > SAVE FARSCAPE - http://farscape.wdsection.com - -- www.suddensound.com -- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2002 18:48:09 -0700 From: Joseph Zitt Subject: Re: lavelle, germano, runga, richey, mcevoy On Sat, 14 Sep 2002 17:27:07 -0700 Steve VanDevender wrote: > Joseph Zitt writes: > > This all, however, is with the caveat that I may be a complete > > cinematic philistine; I also prefered the studio cut of Brazil to > > the director's.(now ducking behind an asbestos mask as Vickie > > approaches :-] ) > > I hope you aren't talking about the "Sheinberg edit" here, or you'll > have more to duck from than just Vickie. I saw part of that once on > late-night TV and had to restrain myself from destroying the TV. Do > you just mean the original U.S. release of _Brazil_? I haven't yet > seen the official "director's cut". Well, I've seen two versions, a shorter one on TV and an interminable one on video. Not sure which of the three those two are. - -- | josephzitt@josephzitt.com http://www.josephzitt.com/ | | http://www.metatronpress.com/jzitt/ http://www.mp3.com/josephzitt/ | | == New book: Surprise Me with Beauty: the Music of Human Systems == | | Comma / Gray Code Silence: the John Cage Discussion List | ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2002 19:15:12 -0700 (PDT) From: WretchAwry Subject: Brazil (Re: lavelle, germano, runga, richey, mcevoy - --- Joseph Zitt wrote: > This all, however, is with the caveat that I may be a complete cinematic > philistine; I also prefered the studio cut of Brazil to the director's. > (now ducking behind an asbestos mask as Vickie approaches :-] ) I love you anyway. :-) Yahoo! News - Today's headlines http://news.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2002 19:41:35 -0700 From: Birdie Subject: Brazil "The Sheinberg Edit" has the happy ending....was shown on TV, too. I can't tell you how happy I am it is Sept 14th. Maybe we should all send Sid Sheinberg some plates. Airborne ones. Birdie ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2002 19:38:52 -0700 (PDT) From: WretchAwry Subject: Brazil (was Re: lavelle, germano, runga, richey, mcevoy - --- Steve VanDevender wrote: > Joseph Zitt writes: > > This all, however, is with the caveat that I may be a complete cinematic > > philistine; I also prefered the studio cut of Brazil to the director's. > > (now ducking behind an asbestos mask as Vickie approaches :-] ) > > I hope you aren't talking about the "Sheinberg edit" here, or you'll > have more to duck from than just Vickie. I saw part of that once on > late-night TV and had to restrain myself from destroying the TV. Do you > just mean the original U.S. release of _Brazil_? I haven't yet seen the > official "director's cut". Here's a site that lists the various different versions: http://www.trond.com/brazil/b_faq03.html It's my very favorite film, but damn, I haven't even gone to the trouble of noting all those differences. Wow! The TV ("Love Conquers All") version is unsatisfying to me because he's rescued and lives happily ever after with Jill. Nice, but goes against everything that came before. The US release (and the "Director's Cut") version ends after the "rescue" (dreamed by Sam), with Sam catatonic in the chair, humming the song "Brazil" and Helpmann saying "He's got away from us Jack." It's a "happy" ending to me because Sam went crazy and now no one can hurt him anymore. I love that ending! For all the versions there are, I wish just one of them could have used Kate Bush's version of "Brazil" that's on the movie's soundtrack. V np: Rainbirds "Big Fat Cat" Yahoo blah blah below. Hey, it's free... Yahoo! News - Today's headlines http://news.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2002 01:00:13 -0400 (EDT) From: jason and jill Subject: Re: lavelle, germano, runga, richey, mcevoy > This all, however, is with the caveat that I may be a complete cinematic > philistine; I also prefered the studio cut of Brazil to the director's. > (now ducking behind an asbestos mask as Vickie approaches :-] ) > I see your name on Why Patterns enough to know that your objection to the director's cut can't be length. :) Jason ------------------------------ End of ecto-digest V8 #257 **************************