From: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org (ecto-digest) To: ecto-digest@smoe.org Subject: ecto-digest V8 #254 Reply-To: ecto@smoe.org Sender: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk ecto-digest Thursday, September 12 2002 Volume 08 : Number 254 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Today's your birthday, friends... [Mike Matthews ] man without a memory [anna maria "stjärnell" ] Garrin Benfield East Coast trip [Troy J Shadbolt ] Fw: My Brilliant Beast ... ["Angel's Shadow" ] Re: 9-11 ["Angel's Shadow" ] old stuff, new stuff (Elton, Paul, Albrighton and Carina Round) ["Adam K.] Re: Carina and Lamya and Sia (only artists whose name ends in A) [Jason G] RE: 9-11 ["Earl J. Woods" ] Re: 9-11 ["Angel's Shadow" ] Re: 9-11 [Birdie ] Re: 9-11 ["Scallion, E.M." ] Re: 9-11 ["Scallion, E.M." ] WorldLink TV [Birdie ] Re: 9-11 [Michael Curry ] Another Sleater-Kinney NYC show [Michael Curry ] Re: 9-11 [Birdie ] RE: 9-11 ["Earl J. Woods" ] Re: 9-11 [John Higdon ] Re: 9-11 [Greg Bossert ] Re: 9-11 [Joseph Zitt ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 03:00:00 -0400 (EDT) From: Mike Matthews Subject: Today's your birthday, friends... i*i*i*i*i*i i*i*i*i*i*i *************** *****HAPPY********* **************BIRTHDAY********* *************************************************** *************************************************************************** *********** Sharon Nichols - Terra Incognita (terra@ulster.net) *********** **************** Heather Russell (hrussell@bellsouth.net) ***************** *************************************************************************** -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- - -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Sharon Nichols - Terra Incognita Wed September 11 1963 Victim of Christianity Heather Russell September 11 Total Virgosity Karron Lynn Lane Tue September 14 1751 Ophelia Virgo Troy Wollenslegel Mon September 18 1972 Virgo Mark Frabotta Sun September 19 1965 Don't even THINK about parking here Joe Zitt Sat September 20 1958 Will Hack for CDs Ani DiFranco Wed September 23 1970 Virgo Lord Tyr Mon September 24 1979 Libran Paul Kim Sat October 01 1977 fetal position JoAnn Whetsell Fri October 01 1976 Pendulum William Gill Wed October 05 1960 A wide-eyed wanderer Dan Riley Sun October 08 1961 Libra Neile Graham Wed October 08 1958 pen Quenby M. Chunco Tue October 08 1968 Crunchy Frog Mike Garland Wed October 08 1952 Creature_of_the_Night Irvin Lin Tue October 09 1973 Libra Michael C. Berch Wed October 10 1956 No parking Chris Gagnon Sat October 10 1970 Libra - -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 00:24:29 -0700 (PDT) From: anna maria "stjärnell" Subject: man without a memory Hi.. Man without a memory is about a man who gets beaten up , loses his memory and finds refuge at the salvation army..Its told with a disarming black humour. Aki Kaurismaki directed it. Oh and Katrin Cartlidge will be missed. I loved her work. Anna Maria __________________________________________________ Yahoo! - We Remember 9-11: A tribute to the more than 3,000 lives lost http://dir.remember.yahoo.com/tribute ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 09:04:52 -0700 From: Troy J Shadbolt Subject: Garrin Benfield East Coast trip Hey, Those of you in the NY-ish area might want to check Garrin out. He's a San Francisco based artist (originally from N.Y.) excellent guitar player with impressive songcraft. His website has some clips if you want to hear before you go. troy http://www.garrin.com Tues. 9/17/02 9:30 pm ABC Cafe - 308 Stewart Ave - Ithaca, NY Fri. 9/20/02 9:00 pm Towne Crier - 130 Route 22 - Pawling, NY (opening for Al Stewart $25) Sat. 9/21/02 7:00 pm Fire and Water - 5 Old South Street - Northampton, MA Sun. 9/22/02 6:00 pm Acoustic Cafe - 2926 Fairfield Avenue - Bridgeport, CT (with Robert Urban and friends $8) Thurs. 9/26/02 8:00 pm Don Hills - 511 Greenwich St - New York, NY (with Full Band FREE) Sat. 9/28/02 9:00 pm The Living Room - 84 Stanton Street - New York, NY ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 11:27:08 -0700 From: "Angel's Shadow" Subject: Fw: My Brilliant Beast ... - ----- Original Message ----- From: "My Brilliant Beast" To: "My Brilliant Beast" Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2002 9:29 AM Subject: My Brilliant Beast ... > > Greetings everyone on the "FAZED: My Brilliant Beast" mailing list, > > This is just a little note to let you know that we're still here. :) > > Although our new website is not yet ready to be launched, we've uploaded a > new ambient track with some video footage from our trip to NYC last October. > If you'd like to check it out, visit: > http://MyBrilliantBeast.com > > You will need QuickTime 6 (http://www.apple.com/quicktime/download) to watch > the video, which we've heard has given some Windows users difficulty ... > sorry, it's mp4. > > We'll keep you posted when there are new developments on the album, and when > the new website is ready. > > Peace, My Brilliant Beast! > > --- > > NOTE: If you've received this e-mail in error, or you no longer wish to > receive e-mails from My Brilliant Beast, please reply to this message with > UNSUBSCRIBE in the subject. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 11:24:51 -0700 From: "Angel's Shadow" Subject: Re: 9-11 - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rodan Media Group" To: "Angel's Shadow" ; Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2002 6:02 AM Subject: Fw: 9-11 > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: ; ; ; > ; ; ; > ; ; ; > ; ; > Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2002 5:55 PM > Subject: 9-11 > > > > (Please pass on, has not been broken since 9/11) > > > > > > > > You say you will never forget where you were when you > > > > heard the news On September 11, 2001. Neither will I. > > > > I was on the 110th floor in a smoke filled room with > > > > a man who called his wife to say "Good-Bye." I held > > > > his fingers steady as he dialed. I gave him the peace > > > > to say, "Honey, I am not going to make it, but it is > > > > OK...I am ready to go." > > > > > > > > I was with his wife when he called as she fed > > > > breakfast to their children. I held her up as she > > > > tried to understand his words and as she realized he > > > > wasn't coming home that night. > > > > > > > > I was in the stairwell of the 23rd floor when a > > > > woman cried out to Me for help. "I have been knocking > > > > on the door of your heart for 50 years!" I said. "Of > > > > course I will show you the way home - only believe in > > > > Me now." > > > > > > > > I was at the base of the building with the Priest > > > > ministering to the injured and devastated souls. I > > > > took him home to tend to his Flock in Heaven. He > > > > heard my voice and answered. > > > > > > > > I was on all four of those planes, in every seat, > > > > with every prayer. I was with the crew as they were > > > > overtaken. I was in the very hearts of the believers > > > > there, comforting and assuring them that their faith > > > > has saved them. > > > > > > > > I was in Texas, Kansas, London. I was standing next > > > > to you when you heard the terrible news. Did you > > > > sense Me? > > > > > > > > I want you to know that I saw every face. I knew > > > > every name - though not all know Me. Some met Me for > > > > the first time on the 86th floor. > > > > > > > > Some sought Me with their last breath. > > > > Some couldn't hear Me calling to them through the > > > > smoke and flames; "Come to Me... this way... take my > > > > hand." Some chose, for the final time, to ignore Me. > > > > > > > > But, I was there. > > > > > > > > I did not place you in the Tower that day. You may > > > > not know why, but I do. However, if you were there in > > > > that explosive moment in time, would you have reached > > > > for Me? > > > > > > > > September 11, 2001 was not the end of the journey > > > > for you. But someday your journey will end. And I > > > > will be there for you as well. Seek Me now while I may > > > > be found. Then, at any moment, you know you are "ready to go." > > > > > > > > I will be in the stairwell of your final moments. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > God > > > > (author unknown) > > > > During the next 60 seconds, stop whatever you are > > > > doing, and take this opportunity. (Literally it is > > > > only 1 minute.) All you have to do is the following: > > > > > > > > You simply say an "Our Father" for the person that > > > > sent you this message: > > > > > > > > Our Father who are in Heaven, Hallowed be Thy Name, > > > > Thy Kingdom Come, Thy Will be done, on Earth as it is > > > > in Heaven. Give us this day our daily bread and > > > > forgive us our trespasses as we forgive those who > > > > trespass against us, and lead us not into temptation > > > > but deliver us from evil. For thine is the kingdom, > > > > the power and the glory, forever and ever Amen. > > > > Next, you send this message to everyone you know. In > > > > a while, more people will have prayed for you and you > > > > would have obtained a lot of people praying for others. > > > > > > > > Next, stop and think and appreciate God's power in > > > > your life, for doing what you know is pleasing to him. > > > > > > > > If you are not ashamed to do this, follow the instructions. > > > > Jesus said, "If you are ashamed of me, I will be ashamed of you > > > > before My Father" > > > > If you are not ashamed, send this message...only if you believe. > > > > "Yes, I love my God. He is my fountain of Life and My Savior. > > > > He Keeps me going day and night. > > > > Without Him, I am no one. But with Him, I can do > > > > everything. Christ is my strength." > > > > > > > > Send this to everyone you know, and the person that sent it to you. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 20:31:39 +0100 From: "Adam K." Subject: old stuff, new stuff (Elton, Paul, Albrighton and Carina Round) Okay, so I said I needed more music. So I meant new music. So I went on a trawl, and what did I come back with? Elton John and Paul McCartney. No, don't laugh. Re-mastered versions of both "Madman Across the Water" (a brilliant album, and I'll defend it to the death) and "Captain Fantastic and the Brown Dirt Cowboy" (I love it,still), and a 2-disc McCartney Wings anthology. As for the latter, it's great to hear some of these songs again, I have to say: I haven't heard "Junior's Farm" for years, and there's some real gems here. Problem is, you have to wade through crap like "Let 'Em In", "Coming Up" and "Silly Love Songs". The great treat, however (and this is one for all the progheads out there) was to find a copy of Roye Albrighton's "The Follies of Rupert Treacle". Now, children, Roye was the brilliant guitarist from the prog band Nektar back in the 70's, who split from the band and disappeared in a welter of ill-fated solo projects. After a life-threatening illness, he recently re-formed the band, but before that was this album: very much a self-produced, studio tinkered job. Odd how it is that the more budget-conscious the production is these days, the slicker and more synthetic everything sounds. You want real musicians with real instruments? Well, they cost. Best to make do with a sequencer and a drum machine. It's not a bad album, and there are certainly moments of ravishing wonderment when the old Roye comes through, but it's too rife with synthetic beats and gentle arrangements, at times sounding like....well, like the kind of music that comes on when the tv channel's off the air temporarily ("Do Not Adjust Your Set"). Still, good to hear him performing again --- the original line up of the band are playing at the Shepherds Bush Empire in November, opening for Uriah Heep, of all bands. I'm there. The BIG find, however, is a disc I picked up purely on spec. Ever have that? Ever just see a cover and think "Hmmmm....could be interesting". Well, I fell for it. Carina Round's "The First Blood Mystery". A UK singer/songwriter. And it's bloody brilliant. One of those cd's that I put on, listened to......and then listened to again. And then again. I must have listened to it five times today. It's not like I'm humming the tunes, or anything, and therein lies the beauty. After the hype over Gemma Hayes and her riffs and her way with a lyric (which is: repeat a line; repeat it again; repeat it again; repeat it again; go back to the beginning) it's something of a relief to find someone who stretches a tune a bit. I'd give you a comparison, but my head gave out after a while...."A bit like PJ Harvey meets Rikki Lee Jones....no, wait, a bit like...a bit like....Katie Carr, or..." oh, sod it. buy it. hear the massed recorders, the weirdly harmonising voices, the muted trumpet and upright bass, stick around for the last, epic tune that sounds like something PJ would do if she decided to experiment a bit. It's a short album: 7 songs, 36 minutes. But it packs....well, not so much a punch, more of a haunting, blood-soaked caress. Buy it. adam k. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 17:47:31 -0400 From: Jason Gordon Subject: Re: Carina and Lamya and Sia (only artists whose name ends in A) I definately second Adam's recommendation - the Carina Round disc is wonderful. Reminds me a bit of Tara Jane O'Neil's albums (I know it doesn't help to relate to another extremely obscure artist but it will have to do...) Another disc that has really grown on me is Lamya's "Black Mona Lisa" - Another album that is very hard to define stylistically (perhaps ecto-soul?) At times like Bjork, Macy Gray (- the sometimes irritating raspiness in her voice), and Morcheeba. Sort of similar to Sia's Healing is Difficult (she lent the vocals to Zero 7's destiny...her debut solo album is another one that has lodged itself in my brain - now if only Beth Orton';s new disc will do the same...) - -Jason n.p. Carina Round "the first blood mystery" - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Adam K." To: Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2002 3:31 PM Subject: old stuff, new stuff (Elton, Paul, Albrighton and Carina Round) > > The BIG find, however, is a disc I picked up purely on spec. Ever have > that? Ever just see a cover and think "Hmmmm....could be > interesting". Well, I fell for it. Carina Round's "The First Blood > Mystery". A UK singer/songwriter. And it's bloody brilliant. One of > those cd's that I put on, listened to......and then listened to again. And > then again. I must have listened to it five times today. It's not like > I'm humming the tunes, or anything, and therein lies the beauty. After the > hype over Gemma Hayes and her riffs and her way with a lyric (which > is: repeat a line; repeat it again; repeat it again; repeat it again; go > back to the beginning) it's something of a relief to find someone who > stretches a tune a bit. I'd give you a comparison, but my head gave out > after a while...."A bit like PJ Harvey meets Rikki Lee Jones....no, wait, a > bit like...a bit like....Katie Carr, or..." oh, sod it. buy it. hear the > massed recorders, the weirdly harmonising voices, the muted trumpet and > upright bass, stick around for the last, epic tune that sounds like > something PJ would do if she decided to experiment a bit. It's a short > album: 7 songs, 36 minutes. But it packs....well, not so much a punch, > more of a haunting, blood-soaked caress. > > Buy it. > > adam k. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 19:30:41 -0600 From: "Earl J. Woods" Subject: RE: 9-11 Respectfully, not everyone on this list is religious. Some of us even feel that religion made a large contribution to the events of 9/11. If you need solace from your deity in times of sadness, by all means pray to your god in the fashion most appropriate. But using tragedy to proselytize can only fan the flames of hate. Actual ecto content: Did you know that the audio clip at the beginning of Kate Bush's "Hounds of Love" ("It's in the trees! It's coming!") is from the British film _Curse of the Demon_? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 19:09:30 -0700 From: "Angel's Shadow" Subject: Re: 9-11 Response to e-mail: It's like anything on this list. We don't all like the same artists, but it doesn't keep people from writing about them. I have no problem with this. If you are an atheist or whatever, just delete it and that's fine. It was directed towards people who would feel comfort as it relates to this day. Just as many people speak about political issues on this list, and there are plenty who do believe in God and Jesus Christ. Please respect other's beliefs. I have as much right to speak about my spiritual beliefs as you do about whatever you believe. It was not an attack, and I sincerely meant no offense. I would think if you take it as a religious attack, you should perhaps look at yourself and see why something you don't believe in would bother you so much. If people can't handle different ideas or beliefs without turning to hate, the whole foundation of our country has already crumbled. Sincerely, Kristen - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Earl J. Woods" To: Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2002 6:30 PM Subject: RE: 9-11 > > > Respectfully, not everyone on this list is religious. Some of us even > feel that religion made a large contribution to the events of 9/11. If > you need solace from your deity in times of sadness, by all means pray > to your god in the fashion most appropriate. But using tragedy to > proselytize can only fan the flames of hate. > > Actual ecto content: Did you know that the audio clip at the beginning > of Kate Bush's "Hounds of Love" ("It's in the trees! It's coming!") is > from the British film _Curse of the Demon_? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 19:32:23 -0700 From: Birdie Subject: Re: 9-11 I've known over 1,000 people who died from AIDS. They all got it before anyone knew about it, and, that is only how many people I personally knew....you know....best friends, mentors, roommates, neighbors, people who came into work, bosses, and the list goes on and on....the actual number of people who have died in america alone from AIDS is staggering. If I had just lost a husband or brother or a few co-workers, piece of cake! Did I get loads of money from lawsuits or donations? Not a nickel. Did I get loads of media attention (or all the others well known in the gay community that survived it all) ? Nope. Do I think the WTC is the biggest tragedy ever in America? I sure don't. I think maybe all those Native Americans getting killed 150 years ago and how they have been treated since, was and still is....the biggest american tragedy. I'll tell you, looking at 9/11 from other peoples shoes sure can be sobering.... Don't ya think? Myself, I'm looking forward to everybody getting over it. And now, anyone up for some Tibetan Bells? How about a little Gamelan playing? Birdie Angel's Shadow wrote: >Response to e-mail: > >It's like anything on this list. We don't all like the same artists, but it >doesn't keep people from writing about them. I have no problem with this. >If you are an atheist or whatever, just delete it and that's fine. It was >directed towards people who would feel comfort as it relates to this day. >Just as many people speak about political issues on this list, and there are >plenty who do believe in God and Jesus Christ. Please respect other's >beliefs. I have as much right to speak about my spiritual beliefs as you >do about whatever you believe. It was not an attack, and I sincerely meant >no offense. I would think if you take it as a religious attack, you should >perhaps look at yourself and see why something you don't believe in would >bother you so much. If people can't handle different ideas or beliefs >without turning to hate, the whole foundation of our country has already >crumbled. > >Sincerely, > >Kristen > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Earl J. Woods" >To: >Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2002 6:30 PM >Subject: RE: 9-11 > > >> >> >>Respectfully, not everyone on this list is religious. Some of us even >>feel that religion made a large contribution to the events of 9/11. If >>you need solace from your deity in times of sadness, by all means pray >>to your god in the fashion most appropriate. But using tragedy to >>proselytize can only fan the flames of hate. >> >>Actual ecto content: Did you know that the audio clip at the beginning >>of Kate Bush's "Hounds of Love" ("It's in the trees! It's coming!") is >>from the British film _Curse of the Demon_? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 19:49:49 -0700 From: "Scallion, E.M." Subject: Re: 9-11 *sigh* Breathe through your mouth, Earl. She was passing along something shebelieved was positive. Try making yourself sound important somewhere else. - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Earl J. Woods" To: Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2002 6:30 PM Subject: RE: 9-11 > > > Respectfully, not everyone on this list is religious. Some of us even > feel that religion made a large contribution to the events of 9/11. If > you need solace from your deity in times of sadness, by all means pray > to your god in the fashion most appropriate. But using tragedy to > proselytize can only fan the flames of hate. > > Actual ecto content: Did you know that the audio clip at the beginning > of Kate Bush's "Hounds of Love" ("It's in the trees! It's coming!") is > from the British film _Curse of the Demon_? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 19:53:49 -0700 From: "Scallion, E.M." Subject: Re: 9-11 Birdie, The flaw in your comparison of the Aids epidemic to the WTC disaster is obvious. MANY of the people who died of AIDS contracted HIV through irresponsible actions. Nobody at the WTC or aboard those planes, with the exception of the terrorists and perhaps emergency response personnel, actively contributed to their own demise. ____________________________________________ On 9/11, Birdie wrote: I've known over 1,000 people who died from AIDS. They all got it before anyone knew about it, and, that is only how many people I personally knew....you know....best friends, mentors, roommates, neighbors, people who came into work, bosses, and the list goes on and on....the actual number of people who have died in america alone from AIDS is staggering. If I had just lost a husband or brother or a few co-workers, piece of cake! Did I get loads of money from lawsuits or donations? Not a nickel. Did I get loads of media attention (or all the others well known in the gay community that survived it all) ? Nope. Do I think the WTC is the biggest tragedy ever in America? I sure don't. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 19:58:32 -0700 From: Birdie Subject: WorldLink TV Anyone been watching this station off digital dishes? Fabulous world music video's and news and documentaries.... Best way to describe it is NPR for TV. http://www.worldlinktv.org Cheers, Birdie ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 23:03:30 -0400 From: Michael Curry Subject: Re: 9-11 At 07:53 PM 9/11/02 -0700, Scallion, E.M. wrote: >Birdie, > >The flaw in your comparison of the Aids epidemic to the WTC disaster is >obvious. MANY of the people who died of AIDS contracted HIV through >irresponsible actions. > >Nobody at the WTC or aboard those planes, with the exception of the terrorists >and perhaps emergency response personnel, actively contributed to their own >demise. So this thread starts off as an easy to ignore chain mail, and is now degenerating into... this. Can we just end it, please? Michael np: nothing... on the phone nr: The Death of the Necromancer by Martha Wells ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 23:05:01 -0400 From: Michael Curry Subject: Another Sleater-Kinney NYC show >Place: WARSAW (Brooklyn) >Date: Monday, October 28 at 8:00 PM >Show: Sleater-Kinney featuring The Kills / Quix*o*tic >Price: U.S.$12.00 >On sale: Monday, September 16 at 1:00 PM Eastern > >btw, tix for shows at the Warsaw can be purchase (sans service >charges) at the Village Underground box office on West 4th in the >city (Manhattan =) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 20:11:35 -0700 From: Birdie Subject: Re: 9-11 Hey there buddy, You missed all the points. The WTC was a well used terrorist target before 9-11. It was bound to happen again. No one I knew that contracted AIDS had any idea they were being exposed to it, as they were the first ones. Btw, the world is full of flaws - but one persons flaw is anothers joy Looking forward to tomorrow. Birdie Scallion, E.M. wrote: >Birdie, > >The flaw in your comparison of the Aids epidemic to the WTC disaster is >obvious. MANY of the people who died of AIDS contracted HIV through >irresponsible actions. > >Nobody at the WTC or aboard those planes, with the exception of the terrorists >and perhaps emergency response personnel, actively contributed to their own >demise. > > >____________________________________________ >On 9/11, Birdie wrote: > >I've known over 1,000 people who died from AIDS. They all got it before >anyone knew about it, and, that is only how many people I personally >knew....you know....best friends, mentors, roommates, neighbors, people >who came into work, bosses, and the list goes on and on....the actual >number of people who have died in america alone from AIDS is staggering. > >If I had just lost a husband or brother or a few co-workers, piece of cake! > >Did I get loads of money from lawsuits or donations? > >Not a nickel. > >Did I get loads of media attention (or all the others well known in the >gay community that >survived it all) ? > >Nope. > >Do I think the WTC is the biggest tragedy ever in America? > >I sure don't. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 22:51:24 -0600 From: "Earl J. Woods" Subject: RE: 9-11 Well, now I feel bad. Let me clarify my position, Kristen. I don't mean to attack anyone's religion in particular. It's just that I've received that particular bit of email dozens of times in the past year, and today's anniversary has me a little high strung. It's the final paragraph of the message you quoted that upsets me most, I guess; the implication that if you're not Christian, if you don't have Jesus in your heart, then you can't possibly feel any empathy for the people who died. I know you probably don't feel that way, but I can't help but think that the original writer had a subtle (or not so subtle) message of exclusion in mind. It hurts to know that there are people in this world who genuinely believe that I'm going to hell. Sure, I could ignore them, since I know that there's no hell to go to, but messages like the one you posted are saying, in effect, "Unbelievers are bad people, they shouldn't be trusted, they are Other." I'll admit that I'm probably far too sensitive about this issue. It certainly wasn't my intent to make you feel bad. I think it's unfair to characterize my original complaint as hatred, however. And to whoever said "stop trying to make myself sound important..." Well. I can assure you that that's always been the very last thing on my mind. Okay, that's my last word on the subject, and I hope it's satisfactory to Kristen and anyone else who may have been annoyed. We now return you to your previously scheduled discussions about good music and Buffy the Vampire Slayer. - -----Original Message----- From: owner-ecto@smoe.org [mailto:owner-ecto@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Angel's Shadow Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2002 8:10 PM To: ecto@smoe.org Subject: Re: 9-11 Response to e-mail: It's like anything on this list. We don't all like the same artists, but it doesn't keep people from writing about them. I have no problem with this. If you are an atheist or whatever, just delete it and that's fine. It was directed towards people who would feel comfort as it relates to this day. Just as many people speak about political issues on this list, and there are plenty who do believe in God and Jesus Christ. Please respect other's beliefs. I have as much right to speak about my spiritual beliefs as you do about whatever you believe. It was not an attack, and I sincerely meant no offense. I would think if you take it as a religious attack, you should perhaps look at yourself and see why something you don't believe in would bother you so much. If people can't handle different ideas or beliefs without turning to hate, the whole foundation of our country has already crumbled. Sincerely, Kristen ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 23:07:08 -0600 From: John Higdon Subject: Re: 9-11 At 11:03 PM 9/11/2002 -0400, Michael Curry wrote: > So this thread starts off as an easy to ignore chain mail, and >is now degenerating into... this. Can we just end it, please? Could we perhaps stipulate that, regardless of content, chain mail does _not_ belong in Ecto? (And this _was_ a chain mail, as you say, what with it starting off with "Please pass on, has not been broken since 9/11" and asking that the receiver do something for the sender.) John Higdon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 22:17:20 -0700 From: Greg Bossert Subject: Re: 9-11 On Wednesday, September 11, 2002, at 09:51 PM, Earl J. Woods wrote: > We now return you to your previously scheduled discussions about good > music and Buffy the Vampire Slayer. hallelujah! oops, no, wait, i mean "amen to that!" oh, damn! oooh, double damn! hmmph. :) <- smiling, it's what's for dinner. so, how 'bout that Freddie Prinze, Jr., then. heh. is it me, or is it pretty clear who's wearing the pants in that marriage? and for this we're giving up season 8? oy. - -g n.p. "Instrumentarium Hopkinis" -- the delightful Bart Hopkin playing instruments of his own devising. n.r. "The Years Best Fantasy and Horror", edited by Terri Windling and Ellen Datlow, and one of the better yearly collections of short fiction published in English, but guaranteed never get the attention it deserves due to the shocking narrow-mindedness of the academic literary establishment. n.w. "Angel" season two, episode 11 n.d. chamomile tea n.r.m. Mr. Zitt's performance of last night, due to a sudden work emergency, just like all the other work emergencies of the last few months n.a.b. that twit Freddie Prinze, Jr. sheesh. n.o.f.a.c. a bunch of discs, thanks to all the great ectoronica recommendations (and a $5 coupon for Amazon from the chamomile tea box). Lamb for sure -- I'll have to go back a rereads the posts and make a list. thanks again! n.g. to shut up already ;) - -- www.suddensound.com -- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 22:38:43 -0700 From: Joseph Zitt Subject: Re: 9-11 On Wed, 11 Sep 2002 22:17:20 -0700 Greg Bossert wrote: > n.r.m. Mr. Zitt's performance of last night, due to a sudden work > emergency, just like all the other work emergencies of the last few > months Well, that's what you get for working at suddensound :-) (The show went really well, if I say so myself. I'm especially psyched that Pauline Oliveros came to the show and was enthusiasic about it! MP3s may appear in the near future...) - -- | josephzitt@josephzitt.com http://www.josephzitt.com/ | | http://www.metatronpress.com/jzitt/ http://www.mp3.com/josephzitt/ | | == New book: Surprise Me with Beauty: the Music of Human Systems == | | Comma / Gray Code Silence: the John Cage Discussion List | ------------------------------ End of ecto-digest V8 #254 **************************